By Bernard Hickey
New Zealand-based economist and strategist Peter Redward of Redward Associates is pointing economic and corporate planners in Australasia to the effects of China's one child policy.
The trend for Chinese economic growth is likely to slow in the years to come as its population ages, its savings rate falls and the dynamism of its currently young workforce ebbs away. The effects could be quite dramatic from the 2030s as China's population is expected to start falling from then. Slower economic growth is expected to reduce demand for imports and weaken commodity prices.
China's birth rate is around 1.2/1.3 children per woman and has been for 30 years, well below its replacement ratio of around 2.2 children per woman, Redward said, pointing out that the second wave of children from the policy were now being born, leaving in many cases an inverted familial pyramid of four grandchildren, two parents and one child.
This policy had initially helped boost China's growth rate over the last two decades as the 'sweet spot' of a higher proportion of younger workers dominated.
"Once you start on the downward path your dependency ratio initially improves tremendously. There's very few old people and less children and your savings rate jumps and you see a massive increase in savings, and that's what China had just been through," Redward said his Monthly Emerging Asia report on Interest.co.nz.
"Once this starts turning, the dependency ratio has the potential to rise very quickly and that will weigh on growth," Redward said.
"Capital accumulation slows, which reduces the capacity to invest. On top of that it means the population of working age people starts contracting, which means there are less workers. And then as the demographic structure changes and the people age, older people are generally less innovative then younger people," he said.
"All of that means that China's growth rate is coming down and will continue to come down on a trend fashion over the next 20-25 years."
Most demographers estimate China's population will start to fall from the 2030s.
"When it starts it could be quite aggressive, as it has been in Japan."
What's happening now
Meanwhile, China's economy continued to slow down through April, May and into June as factory output and construction cooled, Redward said.
"There are some positive signs, but we think the general slowdown in industrial production and activity is continining. The main factor is the delayed impact of tight monetary conditions last year combined with significant overbuilding in the construction sector and infrastructure over many years," he said.
Redward estimated growth in Chinese private sector domestic consumption and investment had slowed from around 7% per annum to around 2%.
"The slowdown is largely a domestic story. People talk about the external environment creating problems for China, but that's not what is driving the slowdown. It's very much centred on industrial production and fixed asset investment," he said.
A modest increase in government consumption through some stimulus measures was offsetting the domestic spending lowdown, along with an improvement in the external sector's contribution as import growth slowed faster than export growth.
"The pace of import growth has been running well below export growth this year up until May, and that's before the significant fall in commodity prices in May and June. Once you factor that in, then import value growth will be even weaker," Redward said, adding China's trade surplus could therefore be US$100 bln larger this year than last year.
What it means for Australia and NZ
"That means for Australia and New Zealand that we're getting this crunching down of commodity prices, principally thermal coal prices have been hit the hardest and iron ore prices have come back, and we've seen weakness in alumimium and copper prices," he said.
Iron ore exports represented about 25% of Australia's merchandise exports, while coal made up 13% of exports, he said.
"That will crunch down Australian export numbers, and that's a factor driving the Ausssie (dollar) down," he said.
Redward repeated that Chinese policy makers were unlikely to stage a repeat of the 2008/09 infrastructure spending spree that helped cushion the impact of the Global Financial Crisis for Australia and New Zealand. See last month's Emerging Asia Report here.
"Policy makers there have been very clear they have no intentions of doing a 2008 (Version) 2.0 and that's justified. The nature of the shock this time around is different. It's much more linear. It's not like a financial dislocation shock," he said, adding however that a Lehman-style dislocation was still possible from Europe.
"Policymakers are much more concerned about the balance sheets of the central and provincial governments so they're tending to lean more on the monetary easing, which is taking time to come through," he said.
No splurge repeat
China eased monetary policy last month.
Local governments, who did much of the investing in roads, rail and new apartments in 2008 and 2009, would be much more circumspect this time around because of heavy debts in Local Government Financing Vehicles, many of which were behind on payments or being forced to roll over loans. The local governments have also been banned from issuing their own bonds to refinance these financing vehicles.
"A lot of local governments have debt/GDP ratios of close to 100%. They've been funding their expenditure plans through the selling of assets and collaterising the value of their land against their local government financing of debt," Redward said.
"Even if Beijing pushes the funds to these local governments, because of the risk of the pressure from the Local Government Financing Vehicles, I don't think they'll necessary spend the money even if they receive it," he said.
'Not so simple'
Many economists have called on China to rebalance its economy away from high savings and high fixed asset investment towards higher domestic consumption, which would ease some of the imbalances in global trade and capital flows.
Redward said this would not be easy for China to do, given the demographic issues bearing down on the population, the lack of a social safety net and the history of social instability in recent decades.
"Restructuring the economy away from fixed asset investment and construction-led growth to consumption is not simple. You've got to change consumers' savings and investment habits and their incentive structures, and given the one child policy in China and the demographic overhang and the social turmoil we've seen in recent decades, there's a very high preference for saving," he said.
"The best way of engineering a pickup in consumption is for the government to step in and start implementing some social welfare and safety nets. Once they do that, the need for large scale precautionary savings will drop away and people will be in a better position to consume more goods and services."
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Many economists have called on China to rebalance its economy away from high savings and high fixed asset investment towards higher domestic consumption, which would ease some of the imbalances in global trade and capital flows.
Not much chance if the Germans and Japanese get an opportunity to employ their factory robotics expertise.
What's China to do to offset the deluge of USD printing that finds it's way into domestic factory export sales receipts from US buyers.
They have bought foreign raw product in considerable quantities and yet they still find themselves having to buy US Treasuries.
Local Chinese businesses can manufacture domestic demands more efficiently than domestic US methods of production that rely on out of date infrastructure.
This is classic nonsense.
Half the number of people, consuming twice the amount per head.........
The problem is in the lack of an available growth. 2008 saw the biggest appetite for resources - recycled mateials included - that we'll ever see on the planet. There isn't the energy-per-time available to 'do' more.
Lack of people is better - you have more physical resources per person - how about interviewing someone who understands the real world, Bernard?
That would eliminate economists, which would be a good start.
There is a very good item in the Australian Financial Review today highlighting the extent of insolvency within Chinee local authorities, rampant corruption among Communist Party elite and the resultant resentment in the populace. It needs to be remembered that this is a nasty, despotic regime and that the country has a three millenia history of bloody revolts and absolutely none of orderly democratic transfers of power. As someone once said, 'If you are going to sup with the Devil....be sure and use a long spoon'.
Ergophobia
China is one of the most stable countries on the planet. This has been demonstrated through out the mileniums. Other countries come and go but China has been stable as a rock.
Its a lot easier to point the finger at China, while it is a lot harder to take in the rampant corruption in Western Financial/Political circles.
You don't see much discussion in the main stream media when elected democratic governments in Italy and Greece get replaced by non elected officials put in place by the elites
It would be a lot more productive to sort out our own broken system rather than worrying about a Country which seems to have done pretty well for itself.
Ergophobia I recommend you get to a good library and do some reading.
Find out how often countries appear and disappear. China has been around for ages. Compared to China other Countries seem to have a fragile existence, they appear and disappear, usually as the result of wars.
Kiwi - not quite true. China has grown, crashed, and grown again in various forms. The same could be said for everywhere. At the end of the day, wealth is about resources. Real ones. The Spanish hit South America, The Brits went everywhere, the Romans ditto - wealth is about sucking peripheral resources. There isn't enough planet left, for China to become an empire in the USA sense. It's that simple.
My kids used to play Age of Empires - it's good schooling re politics and realtime resources.
Death or slavery?
Um......
The Han Chinese have been in power most of the time and they seem to be able to get on with each other. Compare this to Europe where the countries seem to like having lots of wars with each other. Its almost like there is a conquering mindset where one culture wants to dominate another. There are about 1.3 billion Chinese in China at the moment and they seem to be good at managing the masses. Look at Europe where there there is growing anger between countries because the powerful countries are dominating the weaker Countries. How many Germans care about what austerity is doing to the people in Greece?As an outsider I am amazed at what the europeans are doing to each other.This sort of self interested behaviour is very dangerous and very easily leads to breakups, wars etc.
Mao didn't starve anyone. He made some mistakes based on communist ideology, which he was criticised for by the Chinese themselves. Communism was all the rage back then, Discerning readers will have noticed that there have been some changes in economic theory in China since then.
Wow, all thoses people starved(your figure seems very high) and China still held together. Their society must be very cohesive, very stable.
It wasn't that great in America either during the 1930's :-
For 18 months, Lee hoboed throughout Louisiana riding freight trains up and down the state in what was essentially a search for food to save him from starving. In 1931, he found work on a dairy farm at a wage of 10 cents an hour. With his earnings he was eventually able to buy his parents out of sharecropping servitude for an amount he remembers precisely: $111.40.
"When I was riding the freight trains I didn't feel like an American citizen," said Lee. "I felt like an outcast. I was nothing but dirt as far as whites were concerned. If you asked for something to eat, some would give you a piece of bread at the back door and tell you to get off the premises. Some would sic the dogs on you. It was hurtful to be treated like that. I felt very, very down."
http://www.erroluys.com/WhatLifeWasLikeintheGreatDepression.htm
In the bookshelf here I have "Mao the Unknown Story" by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. Try than and see if you have the same naive opinion. I deliberately say naive because if you think that Mao was a communist, or Stalin was, or a local example that Helen Clark was Labour, then you have a lot to learn about the quest of humans for power.
Recently in Tiananmen Square I asked some young people about the protests there in 1989. They pretty much told me that they had never heard of it and that I was speaking nonsense. I think Kiwi studied at the same university. China is pretty selective about what people learn about there .
Ask people about fast and furious, the US gunrunning operation into Mexico and most people will tell you that they have never heard of it. Fast and Furious has and will kill far more people than were killed in Tiananmen Square but you wont learn much reading sanitised news reports about it. The US is very selective about what they permit people to learn. You can actually find out more by hunting for the news but most people seem to be happy with what they get fed in the main stream media.
That's right Kiwi, the Chinese have such an free and open media. You perhaps need to dig a little bit about your Chinese history. It is allowed, now that you live in NZ to question the Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party, no mobile execution chambers here .
You just need to browse Chinese media sites to see all the stories about corruption and fraud in China. Its like they are thinking out loud about whats wrong with China and the best way to fix it. On the face of it its quite impressive. Now if only the Western Media would take up all the corruption stories given to them by Julian Assange then I would get even more impressed.
Saying that Mao or Stalin were not communists seems to be a very extreme view. I would question the authenticity of your book.
The ideology wars were mostly over by the time Helen was in power. The prague spring in 1968 killed Communism idealism in most peoples eyes and started its long decline. I'm not really sure what Helen believed or why she believed it.
Those guys cleary had an Anti Social Personality Disorder of some description and as such these sorts don't have ideals. They are purely self centred and in these cases there was an extreme lust for power. They are in the same camp as other dictators in this regard. Think of it this way, for a person that desires power, does it matter how they get it? Read the last four chapters of Ian Wishart's "Absolute Power" for the Helen Clark version of the same behaviour. I have event described in Wellington in the early 70's corroborated first hand BTW. Wishart is conservative if anything.
Agree with your comments above on main stream media. You can't believe them until you know the agenda, and there is always an agenda. Best to read books as at least they will usually come with references. The book I mention certainly has an extensive list at the back. One of my university papers was Critical Thinking and Theory in Architecture. All about how to cut through the crap, and then learn to write it yourself :-) In Architecture it is the image that is manipulated, or at least controlled.
Its easy to be selective when deciding who has Anti Social Personality Disorders.
Was bombing Dresden Anti Social? I thought killing civilians was a War Crime. Did they really have to fire bomb tokyo and drop the atom bomb?
I'm not in the business of defending Mao or Stalin, but those days are gone.
There are reasons why the Main Stream news media is pointing the finger at China these days, and at the core I believe it has a lot to do with the elites being concerned about a loss of power and status to China. Why get led up the garden path by the elites on their warped power trips?
Actually there are clear symptoms of these disorders, it is a matter of judging the behaviour not the person.
Hey any killing is a crime isn't it? But yes Dresden was a war crime and so was dropping the bomb. I don't see this as an East vs West debate though. It just about your view of China, which I think is off the mark. Try reading China reports from Stratfor.com. Probably biased but still a good read. Look despots occur everywhere and I read something recently that gave me reason to believe Angela Merkyl is one.
Again I don't agree. China has to import food, whereas we currently feed 53m people from our exports. As energy constraints decrease yields around the world then shortages will become acute, and China(not just China though!) will pay plenty for our produce. Trade with China, yes, but don't sell our land or infrastructure offshore.
I can only suggest you familiairise yourself with the difference between a 'concious' and an 'un-selfconcious' society.
"Trade with China, yes, but don't sell our land or infrastructure offshore."
Good point. What about joint ventures though?
Why does Jenny talk about insulting China?
Asked whether there were great opportunities to trade with China long-term, she said: "Yes, if we don't keep insulting them ... "If we don't get over this, we should get used to wearing Jandals." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10720024 Self righteous finger pointing at China probably does not help. The west needs to sort out its own issues instead of ridiculing China.
You are talking about the behaviour of people in general Kiwi so I agree with you on that. You are in danger of being myopic yourself though, be careful and read extensively. Don't become a bore like some on these forums that trumpet their one sided political views, smart people I know are generally apolitical. In reality the whole world is in trouble mate. Key minerals have a generation at best left, oil has flatlined and the growth rate of world population signalled overshoot when it turned negative(inflextion point) in 1961.
Rather than using Strafor to guide your thinking scarfie I think it would be much more interesting to read about Strafor. The hacked emails would be a good place to start. The ones I have read have come from businessinsider.com and were very interesting. Just the usual bribery, corruption and lies in Western political circles. This is not the info they would put in the articles you were reading.
Easy enough to read up on George Friedman but reading up on Stratfor is really going to help you. The emails have been a bit selective and sensationalist. But at the end of the day like all media he is getting paid to tell people what the want to hear. The trick is not to accept anyone's thinking but to think for yourself. Trouble with some is they don't know how to discard the rubbish. Sensing vs iNtuitive in Jungian types.
I didn't know who George Friedman is scarfie(I don't read stratfor) but looking up stratfor in businessinsider is really going to help with getting a more balanced view of how the world works.
I just typed
starfor site:businessinsider.com
into google and it came up with a list of interesting pages.
The one on voter fraud looks quite interesting
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-20/news/31371888_1_voter-fraud-ballot-boxes-john-mccain
You seem to have the ability to think up total rot. Ive read some on mao, communist he was not...opportunist, yes, total monster, yes...willing to end the world even, yes, no compulsion on killing any chinese to further his ends, yes Like shipping food abroad for political gain while chinese died of starvation enmass..............yes.
That was no communist. Just because someone drapes him or herself in a flag does not make him a believer...
Ive not read much on Stalin but an equal nutter.....happily signed up with Hitler to divide up Poland and europe etc.....
regards
I seem to have the ability to think up things which other people haven't thought of, which is what you should expect from every individual human being.
I didn't bring up Mao or Stalin, those days are long since gone.
I'm not a fan of groupthink. When it comes to doing the right thing re China a former national prime minister thinks the same way. Why go along with the China finger pointing crusade?
Hmmm, history would suggest otherwise, especially when you take this chart into consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_b…
China may have been a civilisation for millenia, but it's had some tremendous upheavels along the way. There's nothing to suggest there can't be more in the future.
http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/60050/roger-j-kerr-lists-five-major-a…
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