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Reserve Bank leaves Official Cash Rate unchanged at 5.5% but warns if inflation proves stronger than expected it may have to hike the OCR again

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Reserve Bank leaves Official Cash Rate unchanged at 5.5% but warns if inflation proves stronger than expected it may have to hike the OCR again
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The return of Adrian Orr, as The Hawk. Illustration Ross Payne.

The Reserve Bank (RBNZ) has again left the Official Cash Rate (OCR) unchanged on 5.5%, but is warning that if inflation proves stronger than expected it may have to raise rates again in future.

The statement from the RBNZ Governor Adrian Orr was much more 'hawkish' than expected and seems aimed firmly at dampening down speculation that interest rates may soon be falling. The RBNZ is clearly becoming concerned about the potential impact of surging inbound migration and makes numerous references to this in both the media statements and the November Monetary Policy Statement.

All eyes on Wednesday were always going to be on the 'forward track' forecast the RBNZ has for the possible future level of the OCR - and it is here that the RBNZ has thrown in a big surprise.

It is now forecasting a peak OCR of 5.69% in the September quarter of 2024. Effectively this means the RBNZ sees a fair chance of another hike. This will come as a 'hawkish' surprise for a market that has already been factoring in OCR falls next year.

Indeed there was a swift market reaction. The NZ dollar immediately rose by about half a cent to US62c, although then started to weaken again a little.

Wholesale interest rate markets have been 'pricing in' a first cut to the OCR by August of next year and as of earlier on Wednesday before the OCR announcement were pricing in three cuts by early 2025.

Therefore wholesale interest rates reacted sharply, with the two-year swap rate, for example rising by 12 basis points to 5.25%.

Westpac chief economist Kelly Eckhold said the most notable changes in the press statement and meeting record was increased concern that inflation would remain persistent with upside risks from upwardly revised forecasts.

"A key driver is increased concern that migration and population would drive increased demand and medium-term inflation pressures. The RBNZ’s forecast for house prices was revised up from 4.3% to 5.5% for 2024 reflecting these pressures."

Eckhold said the statement of record also noted that government investment looks set to be stronger in line with pre-election forecasts, which also adds to medium term demand concerns.  

"Our overall first impression is that the RBNZ is concerned that further increases in interest rates may be required towards the middle of 2024. Key will be migration and housing market indicators over the next few months and the next couple of CPI [inflation] outturns. The new government’s fiscal projections in the HYEFU [half-year economic and fiscal update] before Christmas will also be a key focus."

"OCR cuts certainly do not seem to be on the radar for the RBNZ right now," Eckhold said.    

Recent economic data have started to move in the RBNZ's favour. The annual inflation rate as measured by the Consumers Price Index (CPI) was at 5.6% as of the September quarter, down from 6.0% in June 2023 and a peak of 7.3% in June 2022, while the previously super hot labour market is now cooling, with unemployment rising to 3.9% as of the September quarter, up from 3.6% in June and the low point of 3.2% in September 2022.

It's the fourth consecutive 'on hold' decision from the RBNZ since the central bank indicated in May it was done with raising rates, at least in the foreseeable future.

But the RBNZ is clearly not convinced it has everything under control.

The RBNZ, remember, is charged with keeping inflation within a 1% to 3% range and with an explicit target of 2%. The actual inflation rate has been outside the target range since the June quarter in 2021. The RBNZ is still, in its latest forecasts, picking that inflation will return back under 3% in the September quarter of next year. That's unchanged from the previous forecasts.

Among the many mentions of inbound migration in the Monetary Policy Statement, the RBNZ says that high net immigration has alleviated acute labour shortages caused by tight border restrictions during the Covid-19 period.

"However, there are signs that a stronger demand impulse from high population growth is emerging, contributing to an upward revision of our outlook for capacity pressure."

The RBNZ also notes that "in recent months, high net immigration appears to have put more pressure on rental price growth".

In the summary of the meeting of the RBNZ's Monetary Policy Committee, the RBNZ says that in discussing the appropriate stance of monetary policy, members agreed they remain confident that monetary policy is restricting demand.

"Nevertheless, ongoing excess demand and inflationary pressures were of concern, given high core inflation."

"Members discussed the possibility of the need for increases to the OCR. Members agreed that with interest rates already restrictive, it was appropriate to wait for further data and information to observe the speed and extent of easing in capacity pressures in the economy." 

"The Committee agreed that interest rates will need to remain at a restrictive level for longer, to ensure annual consumer price inflation returns to the 1% to 3% target range and to support maximum sustainable employment."

This is the statement from the Reserve Bank:

Interest rates are restricting spending in the economy and consumer price inflation is declining, as is necessary to meet the Committee’s Remit. However, inflation remains too high, and the Committee remains wary of ongoing inflationary pressures. 

Internationally, economic growth has been stronger than was expected at the start of this year but remains below trend and is likely to slow further. This subdued growth outlook will continue to restrain New Zealand’s export revenues. 

In New Zealand, demand growth has eased, but by less than anticipated over the first half of 2023 in part due to strong population growth. The OCR will need to stay restrictive, so demand growth remains subdued, and inflation returns to the 1 to 3 percent target range. 

Wage growth has eased from recent peaks. Demand for labour is softening, with job advertisements now below pre-COVID-19 levels. At the same time, strong inward migration is increasing the population and adding to labour supply. 

While population growth has eased supply constraints, the effects on aggregate demand are becoming apparent. This is increasing the risk of inflation remaining above target. 

The Committee is confident that the current level of the OCR is restricting demand. However, ongoing excess demand and inflationary pressures are of concern, given the elevated level of core inflation. If inflationary pressures were to be stronger than anticipated, the OCR would likely need to increase further. 

The Monetary Policy Committee agreed that interest rates will need to remain at a restrictive level for a sustained period of time, so that consumer price inflation returns to target and to support maximum sustainable employment.

Summary of Monetary Policy Committee meeting:

The Monetary Policy Committee discussed recent developments in the New Zealand economy. The Committee agreed that monetary conditions are restricting spending and reducing inflationary pressure. Supply constraints in the economy continue to ease and demand growth is slowing, but to a lesser extent than expected. Inflation remains too high and inflationary pressures continue to emerge. Further slowing in spending growth is needed to reduce demand toward the economy’s ability to supply goods and services, to ensure that consumer price inflation returns to its target range. 

Global economic growth remains below trend as high interest rates weigh on demand. Easing global demand is placing downward pressure on New Zealand exports, and export revenues are lower than in recent years. However, global prices for some products, such as dairy, have stabilised in recent months. Members noted that to date, global growth has been stronger than was expected at the start of this year, supported by sustained strength in the US economy and a recent lift in economic activity in China. However, going forward, subdued global growth is expected to restrain demand and prices for New Zealand’s exports over the medium term. 

The Committee discussed international inflation trends. Globally, headline inflation continues to fall, but there are differences in both the timing and magnitude of these declines across countries. Housing rent inflation is an important source of difference in services inflation across countries, with greater upward pressure in economies experiencing high net immigration, such as New Zealand and Australia. 

In discussing global financial conditions, the Committee noted that long-term interest rates for government debt have increased, largely in response to the rising volume of public debt. More recently, interest rates have decreased as financial markets anticipate the end of the phase of monetary policy tightening by major central banks. Members also noted that most major central banks have indicated that they intend to retain current restrictive policy rates for longer, and are willing to tighten further, if required. 

The Committee discussed recent domestic economic developments. While growth in parts of the economy is slowing, there has been less of a decline in aggregate demand growth than expected earlier in the year. As was noted in the October Review, GDP growth in the second quarter of 2023 was higher than expected while growth in the first quarter was revised up. Consumer spending growth is broadly easing, but some areas of services spending remain more resilient. On an aggregate level, consumption is being supported by the strong growth in population, whereas on a per capita basis, consumption is declining.

Members noted that net immigration has been higher than previously assumed. This has increased the supply of workers into a tight labour market. However, the demand-side effects are becoming apparent. Strong population growth has contributed to an increase in housing rents. Rent increases, and any increases in construction costs in response to greater housing requirements, affect inflation directly, as rental prices and construction costs are accounted for in the consumer price index. Members noted that the outlook for residential investment was currently muted, despite the surge in population growth. 

House prices have stabilised after earlier declines, with strong population growth and increased nominal disposable incomes offsetting the effect of higher debt servicing costs. House price increases affect inflationary pressures indirectly, via higher household wealth and an associated increase in consumption. Some members considered that the willingness of households to consume out of wealth may be lower given recent house price falls, higher debt servicing costs, and a softening labour market. Other members considered that there may be upside risks to house prices, and therefore consumption, given the anticipated decline in residential investment. 

Annual headline inflation was lower than expected in the September 2023 quarter. This was accounted for by lower inflation for tradable goods and services. Members noted that tradable inflation can be volatile and cannot be relied upon to achieve their inflation target. Non-tradable inflation is easing only gradually and, while all measures of core inflation have declined, they are still elevated. Short-term inflation expectations have declined, and members expect this to continue as headline inflation moves lower. Some members were concerned that 2-year inflation expectations were not declining particularly quickly and that longer-term inflation expectations had also increased. Other members were less concerned as they viewed longer-term inflation expectations as still close to the target midpoint.

In discussing the labour market, members noted that the underutilisation rate and unemployment rate both increased in the September 2023 quarter. Population growth has increased labour supply, as seen in declines in surveyed measures of labour shortages. As economic activity slows, labour demand is also declining, with job advertisements falling to below pre-COVID-19 levels. Wage inflation has eased. Members noted that whilst pressures in the labour market are easing, it is still tight, and employment remains above its maximum sustainable level. 

At the time of the October Review, members had noted updates in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2023 (PREFU). Specifically, while total government spending as a share of potential GDP is still forecast to decline, this was now by less than previously expected. The PREFU included a material increase in government investment over the medium term, linked to infrastructure requirements. 

Members agreed that population growth and government investment would both likely support aggregate supply in the economy. However, they noted that in the short to medium term, demand could only sustainably grow at the economy’s production potential without adding to inflationary pressure. The current context is that aggregate demand has been greater than the economy’s ability to supply goods and services, creating inflationary pressure. While the economy is moving back into balance, ensuring that demand remains contained will make the task of returning inflation to target much easier.

The Committee noted that the estimate of the long-run nominal neutral OCR has increased by 25 basis points to 2.50 pecrent within the economic projections, consistent with the Reserve Bank’s indicator suite. The long-run nominal neutral rate impacts the central economic projections but has a larger impact in the latter part of the forecast horizon and beyond. Members agreed that the current level of the OCR remains contractionary.

The Committee discussed domestic financial conditions. Credit demand remains subdued as higher interest rates and a slowing economy reduce the ability and willingness of businesses and households to borrow. Mortgage rates have continued to increase, as expected. Members noted that the average rate on outstanding mortgages is expected to increase from 5.4 percent currently to 6.4 percent by mid-2024. The share of disposable income going to debt servicing for households with a mortgage is expected to increase from 15 percent currently to 19 percent.

The Committee discussed the expected evolution of retail interest rates, given ongoing changes in bank funding. Term deposit rates and volumes have increased. Higher term deposit rates are now contributing to ongoing increases in mortgage rates. As competition for term deposits continues, the margin between mortgage rates and wholesale interest rates is expected to return to more historically normal levels. Members agreed this expectation was consistent both with their previous discussions around future changes to retail interest rates, and with assumptions in the economic projection.

The Committee discussed the balance of risks for inflation, output, and employment. Members agreed that while the risk profile remained broadly similar to that discussed at the time of the August Statement, some of the short-term upside risks to activity appear to have eventuated and have therefore been incorporated in the central economic projection. In considering risks, members also specifically discussed two scenarios.

The first scenario was one of persistent domestic demand strength supported by strong population growth, with increases in rents and aggregate consumption feeding into greater inflationary pressure and higher house prices. The second scenario considered a larger global economic slowdown, with growth below trend for longer than currently anticipated. A greater slowdown in global growth would see a fall in the price of imports and further reduce goods export prices and export volumes. 

Given the current high level of core inflation, members agreed that there was an asymmetry in the distribution of risks to the outlook for monetary policy across the two scenarios. A global slowdown would likely unwind the additional inflationary pressure that has recently been observed, whereas further domestic demand strength would likely necessitate additional monetary tightening. Some members noted that inflation has now been above target for some time, and that there should be a low tolerance for any increase in the time to return inflation to target. 

The Committee noted that the incoming Government’s policy programme will have implications for economic activity and inflation. Members agreed that this would be assessed as policies are formally incorporated into the Treasury’s official forecasts.

The Committee discussed the backdrop of heightened geopolitical tension and risk of spillovers to the global economy. Members noted that whilst they remain attentive to global developments, they will respond to shocks if and when they eventuate. The Committee also discussed the outlook for China and noted that while economic data over recent months have improved, structural challenges facing the Chinese economy remain concerning for long-term growth prospects. Potential growth is slowing, partly due to demographic trends, but also due to substantial declines in productivity growth. High levels of debt, particularly in the property sector, and weak demand remain the most acute downside risks.

Members were cognisant of the likelihood of an El Niño climate pattern in coming months. They noted that the scale of potential impact is highly uncertain and depends on the timing and location of any droughts. There may be differentiated impacts for different agricultural commodities. No specific drought impacts have been incorporated in the economic projection and members agreed they would continue to closely monitor the evolution of El Niño over coming months.

The Committee agreed that in the current circumstances, there is no material trade-off between meeting their inflation and employment objectives and maintaining stability of the financial system. Members noted that slowing economic activity is not being experienced evenly across the economy. The commercial property and agricultural sectors are starting to experience challenges and may be vulnerable. For highly-indebted households, pockets of stress are likely to grow as debt servicing burdens increase.

In discussing their Remit objectives, the Committee noted inflation is still expected to decline to within the target band by the second half of 2024. Pressure in the labour market is easing, although employment remains above its maximum sustainable level. Members agreed that monetary policy was supportive of sustainable house prices.

In discussing the appropriate stance of monetary policy, members agreed they remain confident that monetary policy is restricting demand. Nevertheless, ongoing excess demand and inflationary pressures were of concern, given high core inflation. Members discussed the possibility of the need for increases to the OCR. Members agreed that with interest rates already restrictive, it was appropriate to wait for further data and information to observe the speed and extent of easing in capacity pressures in the economy. 

The Committee agreed that interest rates will need to remain at a restrictive level for longer, to ensure annual consumer price inflation returns to the 1 to 3 percent target range and to support maximum sustainable employment. On Wednesday 29 November, the Committee reached a consensus to maintain the Official Cash Rate at 5.50 percent.

The November Monetary Policy Statement is here.

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“OCR dropping by March”, “OCR dropping by August” Its pretty obvious some posters here fail to realise how soft things must get to warrant an earlier drop than the RBNZ forecast.

"The Monetary Policy Committee agreed that interest rates will need to remain at a restrictive level for a sustained period of time"

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Agreed. HFL - hold for longer with a risk of increase...

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Orr forgot to call Yvil for advice,  hopefully will do next time around..

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😂

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Well he usually asks Robbo

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LOL

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He needs to pop round and buy the Reserve Bank morning tea

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It's also pretty obvious some posters here fail to realise the RBNZ won't want to give any hints of an intention to drop the forecast until the moment they do so. What they say they'll do and what they'll actually do are two completely different things.

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Signalling channels are key to future movements. Whether or not they’re listened to is another factor. If there is a rush of loans on todays news, would you say that would put upward or downward pressure on inflation and the OCR in the future?

Things will keep ebbing and flowing until it breaks imo. There’s still a lot of demand for money out there, people desperate for a “deal”, that needs to be squashed before we see meaningful movements.

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Way back in econ101 I learnt about the various methods the central bank has available.  Number three was " jawbone".  Where they use hints, sometimes threats, to get certain behaviours.

"Jawbone". It's a thing.

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A game within a game

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"The kiwi dollar gained about half a US cent on the news that rates could be higher for longer"

Good to see HFL is being taken seriously! 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/ocr-announcement-rbnz-to-reveal-whe…

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On a slightly related note, if anyone has USD they should exchange them now. Not only is the exchange getting worse, but as of the 1st of March no nz bank will accept foreign cash or cheque. When that happens we will need to rely on bureau de change. A nightmare.

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It's interesting that the banking sector is limiting their FX services.  In many ways they don't appear as helpful as they once were.

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A Wise card works well instead of foreign cash.  Cash is becoming a thing of the past for many places - off shore and in NZ. We have had requests from backpackers to pay wages in to their Wise account - not a NZ bank account. Easy for them to convert it in to any currency they need after they move on from NZ.

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Sad times, I'd prefer to spend my money how I wish without nanny govt overseeing every spec of my spending.

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Can you expand? We typically repatriate cash once/year in $US. Thanks (I'll start googling now).

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International interest rates will govern NZ mortgage rates and with the Inverse yield curve reversing things maybe changing rapidly.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

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They are in a funny position where they can't actually tell us what they intend to do or the market will price it in. If they said "we are going to drop interest rates by 2% next year", then 2 year mortgage rates would drop significantly today.

Whether they see interest rates dropping next year or not I have no idea. But it seems fairly likely to me that that inflation will continue falling and unemployment will continue rising, so its hard to see why there wouldn't be a rate decrease coming soonish. Maybe the change of government changes things a bit, the chaos's policies seem inflationary to me. 

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They are in a funny position where they can't actually tell us what they intend to do

The world of committee- / bureaucrat-think. A hellish place for some (myself included) but Nirvana for others.  

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And a platform ripe for psychopathic and sociopathic individuals. I'm glad to see you seem to fall into neither given you find it hellish.

EDIT: Wasn't intending this as an insult, was supposed to say neither not latter

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Interesting I actually agree inflation will take a big hit fairly soon enough.

High immigration may be having an inflationary effect at present but it will eventually lead to higher unemployment and much faster. This will stunt wage growth. Cost a fair amount for these newbies to set up but once they are they will have nil money from the near 3rd world salaries on offer.

Seems to me we will hit rock bottom faster than expected and big rate drops will need to happen to prop up the economy and the housing bubble.

4% by next christmas guaranteed

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August is a long time away yet RP. Rates are not going up we are maxed out, its just a warning to home buyers and people that I know that are onto owning their THIRD house as an investment not to bite off more than they can chew.....Oooops to late.

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In my twenty odd years of home ownership I have learnt that rates will  ALWAYS go up. The question is by how much  my worst was 2005. Far North council raised my rates by 27%. The best I ever experienced was a 4% rise with hamilton council in 2010. I expect that this year, Auckland will raise rates by 10% 

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Three pertinent points from the OCR update

  • Annual headline inflation was lower than expected in the September 2023 quarter. This was accounted for by lower inflation for tradable goods and services. Members noted that tradable inflation can be volatile and cannot be relied upon to achieve their inflation target. Non-tradable inflation is easing only gradually and, while all measures of core inflation have declined, they are still elevated
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  • Inflation remains too high and inflationary pressures continue to emerge. Further slowing in spending growth is needed to reduce demand toward the economy’s ability to supply goods and services, to ensure that consumer price inflation returns to its target range.
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  • The share of disposable income going to debt servicing for households with a mortgage is expected to increase from 15 percent currently to 19 percent.

In other words – too many NZ businesses are still raising prices. The only counter to that is for interest rates to remain high to deter people from spending and to encourage businesses to lower prices to attract customers.

The reserve bank knows this will all work because the amount available to spend is about to be curbed spectacularly as disposable income falls another 4%.

The big takeaway though – is its higher rates for longer. I think expectations are there that all of the big banks will have 12M Fixed term rates with an 8 in front of them come January.

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From control theory: is the rate of change towards the desired outcome is slow but positive, then changes to the control variable may not be needed.

If the current OCR eventually gets inflation within target band, the it's doing it's job. Raising interest rates will theoretically get there faster. Lower interest rates might not get there at all (look at the rate of drops, it's not particularly fast, meaning there's not a lot of scope to drop interest rates).

Of course, someone will come along to say the OCR is in fact inflationary due to TDs etc. But are the people basking in TD returns spending, vs those running up debt?

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BNZ have significantly reduced their TD rates this week: 

PIE TD 1yr from 6.9 to 6.1, 2yr from 6.61 to 6.0, 3yr from 6.0 to 5.5
Std TD 1yr from 6.25 to 6.1 (same as PIE?)

perhaps they got ahead of themselves...?

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The only significant reduction by BNZ (TD 1yr from 6.25 to 6.1) was not actually a reduction as such. The 6.25% was announced from the beginning as a very temporary special, due to expire shortly. And bringing it back to 6.1% has done nothing but realign this rate to all other major AU banks (6.25% was an outlier). 

By the way, Westpac did recently raise its 1-year offer to 6.1%. These small movements are just a realignment towards the market average for the main AU banks, nothing more.  

I would not expect today's hawkish statement by the RBNZ to significantly affect the 1-year term offer, maybe by something like 10 basis points max, but no more than that. 

  

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You don't consider a reduction in PIE TD 1yr from 6.9 to 6.1 significant?

OK...which bank do you work for?

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I don't know where you get the data that PIE TD was 6.9% before, it just can't be right, the PIE TD rates are always same as standard TD, you just get better return after tax if you pay income tax at 33% & above.

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Thanks for your clarification & my apologies to fortunr; i had looked at a different page of PIE effective rates last week.

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We all make the odd mistake kiwikidsnz. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

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Yeah, sounds like someone was looking at the 'effective interest rate' column rather than the baseline rate 

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Quite happy the nice TDs will continue for a little while yet.

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Maybe BNZ expected other banks to follow, and when they didn't they dropped them back? But if you setup a TD online, the online rate stated says 6.15% for 1 year.

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Which businesses do you think have raised prices in the last 3 months? Anecdotally inflation seems to have disappeared to me. Food has gone down in price. Some businesses may be considering price drops due to much lower demand, I doubt many are increasing right now unless they have to. 

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Despite woeful times in the industry - restaurant and takeaway are still on the rise - most places here in Wellington have lifted prices by $1-$2 per meal since Sept.

Dairy - excluding cheese are up - particularly ice-cream and yogurt.  Still seeing increases in DIY building products and a number of white goods/ household goods. 

Service industry - prices still seem to be moving up- especially personal services ie massages, haircuts, nails, insurance, tradies.

 

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While freight prices have dropped, as an importer, all of our suppliers are continuing the price push. We have averaged at 8% increases this year. Some competitors have moved 15% north.

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Greed at play as they are creaming it while they can until the whole house of cards collapses, in part due to their greed.

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If a competitor drops out of the market (or experiences supply disruptions), customers will come to remaining businesses for their supply. The remaining businesses can increase their prices for their current production.

Suppliers need time to increase their production to meet the increased demand. In the meantime, they increase their prices.

Tackling inflation is far more complex than many assume.

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Not buying it. The economy is in the sh*t. RBNZ always holds it's position until after the horse has bolted.

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Some parts of the economy are in the sh*t - the usual boom-and-bust ones. but far from all. and some are still trying to mke up for less sales by boosting their prices.. lol.

Also - 7housesluxon won on his promise to give everyone more cash via tax cuts and to try to boost house prices - which Orr is fully aware will only make inflation persist for longer...  its kind of funny that Luxon is trying to make everyone feel richer whilst Orr is trying to make everyone feel poorer.

 

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Well, it looks like the market is buying it. Swaps already higher, but let's see how they end up today. 

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by  nktokyo  |  29th Nov 23, 2:28pm 1701221317 - "Not buying it. The economy is in the sh*t"

Fingers in both ears....

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No, that would be Adrian Orr for the last 3+ years. Anyway, my rates are locked in until 2026. I just walk around town and see not a lot of anything going on. I think 2024 is going to be bleak. 

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JH will be the theme for a while yet.. spruikers hate me repeating myself,  that's because it's hurting them every day that goes by...

Btw, yvil I passed on your message to mr. Orr that he is a 🤡  for stating HFL

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RBNZ don't like it when market expecting OCR cut, not for now at least. 

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Falling 10 year yields have increased liquidity conditions considerably, so RBNZ may have to counter that by hiking. I am a 100% sure they would have sounded quite different had the US 10 year been at 5%. 

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While I see an OCR increase not very likely, we should all simply forget about any cuts until 2025 at the earliest.

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In 6 months time if inflation is <3% and unemployment is rising, you don't think they will cut?

Or do you not think inflation will get back to target at all next year?

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The bulk of the pain to mortgage holders is coming in 2024, pretty much 99% of fixed term mortgages will have rolled over next year. My pick is August cuts as the economy will be turning to shit.

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While I largely agree with your view, it seems rather contrasting with the following post you made earlier today;

by Zwifter | 29th Nov 23, 11:37am - "4 to 5% gains next year in line with inflation is my pick"

It's a bit of a hard swallow an economy hitting the skids with house prices still rising in line with 4-5% inflation. This falls way outside the RBNZ target therefore, the OCR rate would likely be held firm anyway. 

If you're pinning hopes on immigration - they'll also need jobs too. 

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"In 6 months time if inflation is <3% and unemployment is rising, you don't think they will cut"

Is it not possible unemployment will only increase in the low skilled recent immigrants and they'll just head home? 

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You assume that recent migrants are "low skilled". Most are not.

And most, if not all, will work for less than existing Kiwis.

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Very very unlikely it will be less than 3%.
More likely circa 4% to 4.5%

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I guess that depends on whether you look at the annual rate or the annualised rate. The annualised rate is already around 4.5%. 

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I agree rates may fall but I'm certainly planning my finances around rates staying higher for longer. It is a conservative risk off position. Any rate drop will be considered a nice bonus but is not to be expected. 

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A recession will be deflationary. See what the RB does then with the OCR.

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Doesn't have to be. Consider the situation right now:

- a small group of overleveraged borrowers who are essentially ruined and won't be able to resume spending even if prices drop.

- the rest of the country are still seeing pay rises filter through, getting more interest from their savings, probably able to absorb higher prices without much pain.

Selling fewer goods to a reduced customer base at higher prices might be the best way forward for many businesses. That's stagflationary. 

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"Selling fewer goods to a reduced customer base at higher prices" is going to be a great strategy for the next few years as boomers retire and spend up. After that it might be more difficult, as we are importing a lot of people into lower paid roles, as well as people from cultures with different attitudes to consumerism (in my view a good thing). 

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I think it's called profiteering,  and is unethical. There needs to be healthy competition,  and unfortunately this is lacking in many areas, such as the supermarkets. Ideally, lower demand should reduce prices. If there are supply chain issues, then that's a different matter.

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Haha, this is Orr giving Luxon a poke in the eye and letting him know who the boss is.

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And Orr is on a salary double that of Luxon!

Maybe Luxon will disestabish the position of Governor of the RBNZ, and instead it will be run by a committee (which already exists) and the committee will have a spokesperson. Also, cut the staff by 30-50%, though I'm sure that ACT is already onto it!

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More likely to consolidate decision making in the Governor only rather than committee. 

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Yes, he probably will, but that would make the Governor too powerful IMO 

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the "green shoots" brigade just got another dose of weed killer .. 

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Dont say I didn't warn you. FHB's take heed with your home deposit - Sit on that 6%+ PIE term deposit less tax. Keep saving. (Edit - removed wrong % for tax.) PIE tax is calculated on your prior 2 years of income tax. 

The crash is not over yet. 

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Sound advice to keep saving but if they're working I'm not sure how 10.5% tax comes into it. 

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If they're working under the table and they have a $150k deposit they'll only "earn" $8k - $9k p.a. so a 10.5% PIE rate.  

The next magic trick is providing pay slips to the bank when they go to take out the mortgage.  

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LOL! 

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Thank you - typo. Amended 

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There are some major developments in the banking system check out the video I did on it here

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Exactly as expected, hold + a hawkish tone to offset any cooked up potential demand. Signalling rate cuts at this stage would hinder the current progress, perhaps the RBNZ can strike a balance this time and get CPI back in target band without too much carnage. 

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What is that analogy about Central Banks....'they're like that person who always arrives late to the party and doesn't know when to leave'.

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"Committee members noted that while high levels of migration had helped to ease pressure in the labour market, the increase in population was also adding demand pressure"

Priceless!

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Duh

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And totally unexpected to idiots Orr central *ankers.

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All time highs in the property market wont be reached again for a very very long time. All the best to investors who just went all in because of an election. 

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All things being equal, would the RB not raise if they no longer have to worry about employment?

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I believe they said the employment mandate has pretty much had zero effect on the decisions made since it was implemented.

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How long will it take for the ANZ to revise their house price projections AGAIN?

😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

 

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3, 2, 1....

Actually that's a countdown for you revising yours 

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Good on ya, troll on….you've been all over the place shifting from King Bull (Shit) to Queen Bear. So look at yourself in the mirror first before throwing stones.

I revise mine rarely, and only when the evidence is clear.

ANZ have been flip flopping every month or two, which is just laughable

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Touchy! The environment and outlook does change so I dont mind people who change their views from time to time. It's true I did get bearish and depressed by the macros for a bit

The trouble is you think you are the smartest guy in the room, trying to out-do everyone as a result 

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Hi House Mouse

Which ones are you going to revise / flip-flop on?

  • OCR 1.75% max this cycle
  • Inflation: Done and dusted 2022 I think from late 2022 through to late 2023 it could still be in the 3-4% range.
  • Mortgage Interest: back to 2 to 3% by early 2024
  • My pick is unemployment above 5% by early 2023. And above 6% by May 2023 . . . . and I stand by that. I suspect it could be at least 7-8% by mid-2023
  • CPI inflation sub 4% by May 2023

I really loved the 1.75% OCR max when ANZ were calling 5% - what did you call them. That's right "fools". It looks like you are the fool. 

You will deny these as honesty and integrity aren't one of your traits.   Be careful, I'm happy to back these  up. :)

Now don't get triggered. 

 

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HouseMouse

To save you the trouble: 

by HouseMouse | 20th Jan 23, 8:54pm

Lol, look who’s back 😂😂😂😂😂

 

You really regretted that, so take care this time. Cheers. :) c

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HM living in Printer8's head rent free and it also appears Printer has a dedicated HM "file". 

Who else is in your filing system Printer? 

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agnostium

Only saved a couple of wild baseless predictions made by a couple of anonymous key board warriors who are driven by nothing other than an over inflated ego. 

Don't fret - I've got a couple of yours if you want them. 

Cheers :)

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housemouse.docx

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Beautiful if these are true which I have no trouble believing they are 

These are contradictory statements 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤥🤥🤥🤥

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The RB doesn't like the bond market telling them what to do.

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Our country has become so expensive just to live day to day. The pain is real out there. Only a few can afford to live a decent lifestyle. How can anyone go after beneficiaries and tell them to get a job as, apparently, we are beyond maximum sustainable employment? Just as well we have 100,000 migrants who needs jobs coming in. Economics, what a joke.  

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