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The National Party says a chaotic Government is getting more divided all the time with the latest schism over tax policy

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The National Party says a chaotic Government is getting more divided all the time with the latest schism over tax policy
David Parker
David Parker. Image by Jackie Carpenter

The National Party has renewed its attacks on the Government, saying it is more divided than ever. 

And a political analyst says the Government might not be in disarray, but "there is an awful lot of scrambling going on."

The latest wrangle, following the departure of several Ministers, involves public disagreement on tax policy within the cabinet. Veteran Labour MP David Parker has refused to serve any longer as Revenue Minister.   

Parker took the opportunity to step aside from that role when cabinet was reshuffled in the wake of Kiri Allan's arrest. He later told reporters that holding the revenue position was untenable.    

Parker has been in parliament for more than 20 years and is one of the few current leaders to serve as a cabinet minister within two separate Labour administrations. More significantly, he has pushed his role as Revenue Minister by working hard on tax reform. 

Parker commissioned a report by the IRD on taxes paid by the rich, and he was in favour of a so-called tax switch. This would have provided a tax-free rate for very low incomes, which would have been paid for with a special tax on people with high net wealth.   

But this idea and a capital gains tax were blocked by Prime Minister Chris Hipkins earlier this month, because he said economic conditions were hard for many people and now was not the right time. 

Parker is understood to have felt undercut by this announcement, in part because it undermined months of hard work on this subject, and in part because he disagreed with the policy anyway.  

It is that which led to his "untenable" comment, though he was at pains to stress his loyalty to the party all the same. 

Speaking to reporters, Hipkins also played down the significance of the rift with Parker, who in turn told reporters he had not broken any cabinet rules by speaking about his feelings in public.  

The National Party leader Christopher Luxon then climbed into this row, saying Parker clearly had no confidence in his own leader, and this was yet another sign of a chaotic Government.   

Luxon agreed, however, that abandonment of a capital gains tax was a good thing. 

Meanwhile the political commentator Ben Thomas says the Government is clearly not looking good, with "this constant game of musical chairs.

"But is it in disarray?  There is certainly a lot of scrambling going on, just to cover the normal business of Government.

"There are two separate things, right? There is the presentational aspect in terms of public perception, which is obviously quite untidy.

"Then there is the business of Government. There is a big slab of legislation that they want to pass before parliament lifts, and that requires a lot of ministerial intensity."

"There would be a lot scrambling, a lot of late-night briefing going on right now, and not on minor things."

"David Parker has had an enormous load of responsibility within this Government and there will be a lot of work needed to get on top of these portfolios," says Thomas. 

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Did Parker disagree with the policy or the decision to dump it? 

Also, I recall some discussion that the IRD wealth report was done with no specific policies in mind and it was purely a research exercise, supposedly. Are we now saying that's not the case? 

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Parker is revolting

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Come on!  It was a political hit job from a tax and spend party that has been spending large and running up large deficits that it needs to cover with more taxes.  

The IRD report wasn't worth the paper it was printed on because it was arguing a section of the community was dodging their tax obligations based on unrealised capital gains.  We now know that it was a trojan horse for a wealth tax which is a softer version of what the Greens want to bring in.

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Since when did he everyone have to agree with everyone else?

I'm not in favour of a leader and a bunch of blind followers. 

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Fair enough, but you don't publicly argue with the leader weeks out from a GE.

Remember Derek Quigley?  he resigned as a minister altogether when he disagreed with Rob Muldoon on policy.

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Labour are a house divided full stop. Parker assured the public that his  “passive” enquiry that targeted a selection of certain wealthy identities was no more than that. There was no intention to introduce new taxation. Except there was and it was being plotted virtually simultaneously. At least Hipkins has the integrity to respect that assurance. Not so Parker and Robertson.

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I wonder how the people who complied with it (it wasn't a 'if you feel like it' request, either, apparently) feel about being mislead as to the true purpose of the thing they incurred time and cost to provide details on. 

Terry B hinted there was already some angst about it and that lines up with what I've heard from others in that area. One can only wonder what else that data will be used for. No wonder the big donations have dropped off for Labour. Of course this will be seen as an excuse to implement public funding of parties.

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Parker has obsessed himself over wealth, and to boot,  with an extremely subjective and narrow focus. Orwell sums up that sort of fixation quite nicely, something like - it’s not that the socialists love the poor, it’s their hatred of the rich that drives them.

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I think a few here are much more obsessed with wealth and tax than Parker is.

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Aye jealousy can certainly be obsessive. Been around a long time too.  For instance, Iago in pursuit of the ill-fated Othello  “I know my price, I am worth no worse a place.”

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The name for the political party known as "The Greens" has nothing to do with nature or the environment.  Rather it refers 100% to Envy, the emotion that consumes their cult-like followers to the point they completely discard all reason and logic.

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I wish I'd said that ;)

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Well, tbh, I'm pretty pissed about it, but thanks for asking

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Remember when Parker tried to get a sneaky change to the law to tax KiwiSaver last year? His behaviour around that shows the type of politician / person he is.  It's not the change itself, it was the fact he tried to do it on the down-low.

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Worse still. This student and lover of law sneaked through legislation at the eleventh hour,  prior the Xmas break, that enabled the IRD to go fishing. That is demand disclosure of the status of assets of individual New Zealand citizens. Yonks ago the Magna Carta was drawn up precisely to prevent the Crown intervening in the legitimately own property of any citizen. That has been fundamental, a cornerstone to our law for centuries. But in his  vendetta against the perceived rich pricks Parker, just jettisons that. That sucks.

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Labour are divided over everything. They really are a coalition within themselves.

Maybe they should learn MMP and split into their relevant minor parties, better for them and their voters.

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Divided by Zero = system shut down 

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we have to face another fact most people ignored. The current government won last election by majority not because people actually vote for them or their policy, it was because it would be much worse if the Greens came into the picture. 

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and this time around if they get back the greens and TPM will be pushing hard for a wealth or capital gains tax

on the other side if national act  they are talking congestion charging and toll roads 

either way we will have to pay more

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Both parties have continued work on congestion and road tolling in the background. See: Penlink etc. National supported road pricing as part of the work programme before they were turfed in 2017 and the new Labour Government walked away from most roading commitments, only to revive some of them with a now-baked-in delay because they couldn't get any traction with their own policies. 

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Congestion charging is a good idea;  not a tax but a user pays charge - nothing wrong with that ;  would happily pay it .

Wealth TAX on the other hand is a terrible idea. 

Anyone conflating the 2 things is either stupid or ( more likely )  disingenuous .

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for the record, I do think a CGT is a good idea, more specifically using a CGT to replace other minor taxes such as bright line tax, rent tax etc, and allowing compensate on capital losses. We do need to fund our services and infrastructure.  I don't support Labour's CGT or Green's Wealth Tax simply because they cannot explain how they can use the money properly.  Their plans just tax to punish which is never going to end up well.

as for the wealth tax, the key is not wealth, the key is income, and how we must re-define 'income' and enforce the 'income'. wealth is not wealth is it does not generate income.

 

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Um it was quite clear from both the Greens and Labour , that the wealth tax would be used to reduce the lower income tax brackets, no extra tax taken overall.

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Yeah right

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ok , can you find a release from them that doesn't mention income tax cuts with the wealth tax.?

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Transfers via the tax system are a basically robbing Peter to pay Paul.  The person who robs Peter to pay Paul, always has the support of Paul.  

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Luxon made the headlines today claiming that his tax cuts are designed to ease cost of living pressures on NZ households. It will send NZ's CPI to the moon and leave a big fiscal hole behind, costing the Crown $8.2b over 4 years in lost revenue.

He has also promised more roads and increased funding for frontline services across the board. So, expect targeted increases in levies or latent cuts to frontline services.

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Ah yes, me spending my own money is inflationary but the government tipping it into a hole and lighting it on fire isn't, for some reason. An election year classic. 

PS: $9B is about what RBNZ's Covid response (not reviewed independently) has cost us, with no demotions, dismissals or even being part of the Covid response enquiry. Given the current Finance Minister's response (reappointing the Governor) I can only assume that $9B the Crown doesn't get to play with anymore isn't actually that much of a big deal. 

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Tax cuts in the past did not send inflation to the moon.  

Inflation only became a problem after all the tax increases piled on us by the current govt.

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Off the top of my head I can only think of the 39% top rate over 180k ? If brightline increase, ring fencing and interest deduction changes are on your tax list you need to have a good hard look at yourself.

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Regional fuel tax? Non-indexation leading to tax increases by stealth?

Or are your living costs still the same as they were in 2010? 

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Non indexation is hardly a current govt issue. Regional fuel tax is pretty pointed, you can take a stand and move to Hamilton.

Next

 

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"Hardly a current government issue" - it is when your government is presiding over 6%+ p.a. inflation and clipping the ticket on people's pay rises as they try to cope with exploding living costs.

I would actually just prefer they spent the money they were collecting on Auckland transport projects and didn't sit by while the rail network crumbled and AT ran out of cash. Or if they made the CRL 60/40 like they managed to find to fund LGWM. Or fulfilled any of the election promises around rapid transit they made to get elected and then either walked away from or stuffed up totally. 

So no, not so easily dismissed, but thank you for demonstrating the government's issue for taking ownership of anything so succinctly.

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AT are constrained by their own beauracracy and our ridiculous H and S law that effectively halts any meaningful work ever been done and is a gigantic resource sink.

I wasnt dismissing it, merely pointing out that bracket creep has been happening for decades, the current bunch are as gutless as their predecessors.

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It has been, but the current finance minister has not only spent the last 12 months decrying indexing as a 'tax cut' - but it turns out he's been planning on a 'tax switch' after years of gaslighting the general public. He is also the one who decided to reappoint the RBNZ Governor while inflation screamed out of control. 

And bracket creep at 1% a year is a much different proposition to bracket creep at 7% per annum, especially given the revenue boost the government then also gets from GST paid on the basics as the costs of them increase as  well. 

So yea, this is next-level and verging on predatory. It needs to be called for what it is.

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Are you really unaware of a pandemic, shipping and air cargo issues, floods and droughts, invasion of Ukraine, oil price increases and do you really think that all the inflation in the world is caused by alleged tax increases by this government?

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i am looking forward to my $ 2 per week not sure what i would blow it on

i can not understand why no party (without a massive tradeoff) wont introduce a tax free threshould, is it all about IRD wanting to keep tabs on everyone rather than make simpler for a lot of people from causal / part time workers to small business to fruit growers 

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Because even $ 10 a week cut from a tax free threshold costs about $ 4 billion.anything less would be a "are they kidding?" 

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Because if you offer a tax-free threshold, you are offering it to everyone. And if everyone qualifies, then the people who probably need it get less than if it was targeted and the people who don't need it get the same even if they don't need it. It's not an effective method of intervention. 

The fact you're dumping on National's tax cuts as being so small to be ineffective and then even asking this question is somewhat ironic. 

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Not necessarily. For PAYE it would be relatively simple for IRD as at each 31 March to apply and pay a rebate for income earners of say less than   say $50k or whatever. In days past it was a simple mechanism for instance to get a rebate/ deduction for life insurance premiums paid. Bit of an advantage too perhaps for the recipient in that there is an inbuilt savings going on there resulting in a lump sum that might come in handy.

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its not about intervention its about making it simpler for business and those that only want to earn a little bit 

ie fruit pickers both sides benefit, the grower not having to do all the paperwork and deduct to pay IRD and the picker not having to pay (then getting it all back at the end of the year )

i know many that have come here on a holiday working permit surprised at getting their tax back at the end and confused as to why we do it this way 

 

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I do wish they'd get on with explaining what they intend;

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/election-2023-national-…

If not fully funded in some way, we could find ourselves in a UK/Liz Truss sort of scenario.

 

 

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What is a average income earner? Is it someone earning the average income(and above presumably), or the average taxpayers income? Left and rights averages are quite different.

average income-earner, or, average income-earner?

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That strategic voting has never been actually quantified but nonetheless there was a very real sense of that attitude in the electorate. Especially those that are considered rural which most definitely will not repeat. Contributing to that was the complete disarray that National had imploded with. Two important things now apply. Firstly Labour is in even more disarray. Secondly if those voters were so disturbed by the prospect of the Greens in government in cabinet, then they will be even more disturbed about a government consisting of Labour breaking ranks with a fractious faction therein, the Greens all  pent up ready to roar out left field and TPM selective racism a party plank.

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Not advocating for the cap gain tax or whatever it was, however one wonders why we have two main parties if Lab is not prepared to tackle the tax system in a meaningful way.

Differentiate and do something about it.

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Both major parties also have similar policies with respect to not throwing nuns from treetops - surely they should differentiate  ?!

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Labour was preparing to run with a wealth tax in the Budget, rather than go through normal consultation processes before imposing a radical new mode of taxation.

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...nor any thought of first putting fundamental tax changes in front of the electorate for a mandate.

Labour: gaslighting NZ since 2017

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Actually a Labour wealth tax would have been put to the voters before it came into force.

Is kiwikidsnz doing a spot of gaslighting, perhaps?

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3MoreTaxes?

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David Parker is great. 

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Apparently he's a legend in his own mind.

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Parker has been sniping at Hipkins for weeks.  After coming out and voicing his disappointment at Labour's / (Hipkins) tax policy position and, then, being outed by Hipkins that he wanted to be relieved of his Revenue portfolio, he claimed he was staying on as an Associate Revenue Minister.  Hipkins said no to that. 

Why would Parker make so much noise about wanting to be removed from the Revenue portfolio? Well, from a practical pov, he wanted to hang on to being an associate finance minister and from a political pov, he was still continuing his sniping at Hipkins and making himself a news item.  

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But the wealth tax was rejected in the lead up to the last budget. coming up to 3 months ago.

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What rubbish reporting - just one political commentator who ideologically aligns with ACT and National plus one leader of the opposition make rubbish up and get reported.

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