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With the sharemarket expected to continue rising and IPOs coming, Milford Asset Management's Brian Gaynor warns investors to watch out for mutton dressed as lamb

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With the sharemarket expected to continue rising and IPOs coming, Milford Asset Management's Brian Gaynor warns investors to watch out for mutton dressed as lamb

By Gareth Vaughan

Anyone worried about the local sharemarket overheating after its 24% 2012 rise made it one of the world's best annual performers ought to keep an eye on initial public offerings (IPOs), says Milford Asset Management executive director Brain Gaynor.

Gaynor told interest.co.nz in a Double Shot interview that he doesn't expect the NZX50 Gross Index to repeat last year's 24.2% surge, and nor would he want it too.

"I wouldn't like to see the sharemarket having another 25% to 30% year because that would mean it would be getting overheated and therefore the following year you might have some negative consequences of that," Gaynor said.

.As of November 14, 2012 CNN Money had the NZX as the eighth best performing global sharemarket year-to-date with a rise of 28%. Leading the way at that point was Venezuela with a 219% rise, followed by Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Nigeria, Kenya and Thailand. And MSCI data, in US dollar terms, shows the NZX was among the world's best performers in calendar year 2012.

Asked at what point sharemarket gains might be getting a bit too good Gaynor said the market was a long way from overheating, but suggested punters keep an eye on IPOs.

"In the early 1980s we had one year when it (the sharemarket) was up 97% and another year 110%. So we're no where near that. I think the biggest sign is IPOs and I think they're going to be a big issue. In 1987 we had 65 IPOs. We had two last year, we've only had about 10 over the last four years in New Zealand. Now, when you get a lot of IPOs and a lot of them are very questionable, you might say they're mutton dressed up as lamb, that's when we get to the danger point," said Gaynor.

"We're a long way from that at the moment. I know people will say I'm a fund manager I'd naturally be that way, but having been in the market for nearly 40 years in New Zealand, having watched it, we are absolutely nowhere near what we were  in the 1980s. We could get there, however. The thing to watch will be the IPOs. The IPO market tends to be a very good reflection on how overheated a market becomes."

What to look out for to avoid 'rubbish' IPOs

Gaynor predicts between 10 and 15 IPOs during 2013.

"That's not enough to be overheated. But the quality is going to be quite important. If we start getting a lot of rubbish in there that's a concern."

Asked what investors should watch for in order to avoid rubbish IPOs Gaynor said check to see any companies coming to market actually have substantial businesses.

"If it's a business they actually know about. Because what happened in the 1980s there was a huge amount of investment companies and property companies floated but these companies actually had no assets. They were just raising cash and once they got the cash they were going to buy businesses or buy properties. The big thing to look at is is it a company that you know of, that's operating, that you have some awareness of and is reasonably successful," said Gaynor.

"So we want real businesses coming to the market, not cash boxes or companies that have no substance and have no operating records."

Mighty River Power to set market alight

In terms of the two IPOs slated thus far, Gaynor said one - the government's sell-down of state owned enterprise Mighty River Power - promises to set the market alight, while little detail's yet available of the proposed backdoor listing of Mad Butcher by shell company Veritas Investments. Nonetheless he said given Mad Butcher has a good brand name, it's a company investors will look at.

And although there remains a lot of opposition to the planned Mighty River Power IPO, Gaynor expects more investors than the 226,000 who bought Contact Energy shares in that company's IPO in 1999 to snap up Mighty River Power shares.

"I'd be amazed if Mighty River Power didn't get over 200,000. Why? It's a company that people can understand, it has got a very good image and brand name, it's a very reliable industry, the electricity industry, and when you look at Fonterra there was huge demand for that. Fonterra shares issued at NZ$5.50 (and) they're nearly NZ$2 higher at the moment. It just shows that there is really a strong interest in companies with good brand names that are well known. Genuine businesses that people know are genuine businesses."

"So Mighty River Power I can imagine will be very successful when it comes to the market," Gaynor added.

Sharemarket tipped to rise between 8% and 15% in 2013

Meanwhile, Gaynor suggests the NZX will gain somewhere between 8% and 15% this year, thus still providing better returns than most other investment options.

"I'd be very happy with anything around that (8% to 15%) margin. And of course when you've got interest rates on term deposits around 3.5% to 3.8%, no new bond issues and even if there were any bond issues I doubt if they'd be (paying) any more than 5.5% to 6%, a sharemarket return of between 8% and 15% on average across the board is not a bad return."

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The high street shops are starting to fall like dominos in the UK with huge worries on how many more companies are really in such serious trouble.

I like his optomism though.

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Every 5 to 6 years there is a correction in the USA of some kind, so we should expect a some normal correction of 10-20% in the stock market either this year on next years. Since 2007 then correction would be this year.  However I agree if you pick solid companies and reasonably priced share and patience then the returns will be good in the long term, as we have had the property cycle and still some smaller margin to go, the bond market looks very risky, the commoditity cycle is nearing the end, so the stock market as looking more interesting.  We have not had a boom in stocks since 1987 so this looks interesting.  Look for the companies with strong cash flow, so you know your not buying risky shares.

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Hey Gareth : Any chance of getting Brian Gaynor to give his opinion of each IPO this year , in the form of an article , explaining the pros / cons / & financials of each company to be listed ?

 

.... I thought " mutton dressed as lamb " was his dig at the Mad Butcher !

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Hi Gummy and Happy New Year. We have a newbie coming on board soon who I imagine will be keen to take a look under the hood of the IPOs and will do a good job of it. We will also continue to seek Brian's views on issues from time to time too.

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Happy New Year Gareth : I've been away , having fun , exploring this great land of ours , girt-by-sea ..... Morven .... Studholme ... Stafford .... Roa .... totally awesome ....

 

.... the smiles will stop soon , I've heard that the Great  Bernardino Hickeysterical ( GBH ) himself is returning on Tuesday ....... joy !

 

Excellent news that you'll have a guest to give each IPO an independent appraisal ... and good to have Brian around too , to educate folk that there really is an investment world outside of rental properties ....

 

... Cheers !

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Is Brian NZ's Buffet?

It's looking like a cracker year - and you'd be crackers to have all your cash in the bank.

SK.

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In which case given your previous [lack of] analysis the bank is the safest place.  Its going to blow, the only Q is when. Add in that the markets are rigged against small investors and that just points to a wipe out at some point.

Sadly of course a tax payer such as myself will end up guaranteeing the banks wont fail at some point....so I will be left responsible for your losses, just love the moral hazard.

regards

 

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Do you enjoy being the victim?

If you cant face the fact that this is the system we have - are you doing something about it other than writing (moaning bitterly) on here?

 

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You're right there , SK ..... the bank is a risky place for steven's savings and tofu collection .... central bankers are printing munny hand over fist , they're desperate for some inflation to appear ...

 

... property and shares are the place to be ... cash is trash ... or soon will be trashed ...

 

Ever since dividends on shares were imputed for tax , the game has been rigged in favour of small investors in Australia and New Zealand .... well , not just the small ones , taller investors too ...

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Isn't this just representing a transfer of wealth? In Fonterras case from the Farmer, in Mighty rivers the consumer.

 With more and more money pouring into pension saving funds where does the money go? 

 The average Kiwi is getting well and truly roggered.

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It goes bye bye.  Roggered, yes, well and truely. There is a delusion that there will be a return when in fact with virtually no inflation, less energy and over-capacity thats unlikey for years and the downside is loss of capital. Of course moral hazard will raise its ugly head....the pension funds will expect bailouts / support just like the banks from the Govn. Everyone expects a bailout from their own greed and foolishness.

Meanwhile of course there is no other acceptable course of action...to pollies especially.....so they are gambling it will all work out.

regards

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I don't get your point about the $2 bit Ivan.  They could be $200 and you still could get $15 K or $2K.  Mind you there is a cultural tradition strangely in New Zealand that is against big value shares.  So you could just be right.  But it's very strange.

My own unjustifiable preference would be to own shares with big values.  $200 or even $500.  wow.  No real reason for it but fun.  

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IPO's.  mmmh.  My first reaction to those is "Why would they sell it if it a good thing ?

Yeah yeah.  We do hear a blizzard of reasons when they do try it on.  But generally you can just put that down to the well organised media blitz around IPO time.

Mind you the sellers might just be idiots shooting themselves and other hsareholders in the foot.  Makes me think Fonterra. 

 

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They sell the family silver so that they can cover the outgoings that exceed the income.

(They should drastically cut the outgoings, but that's a different topic...)

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Property syndicator KCL says it may float on the sharemarket - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=108…

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Exactly want we want.

Another company on the sharemarkets whose profit and losses are based on what a man in a suit and tie values a property at.

HO IN

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