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Revenue Minister says he's embarrassed furore over KiwiSaver 'tax grab' forced backdown decision before lunchtime; blames headlines, small funds who didn't back it and banks defending profits

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Revenue Minister says he's embarrassed furore over KiwiSaver 'tax grab' forced backdown decision before lunchtime; blames headlines, small funds who didn't back it and banks defending profits
Photo by Lynn Grieveson for The Kākā

So it actually was gone by lunchtime.

Revenue Minister David Parker says he's embarrassed he and Finance Minister Grant Robertson had to abandon the Government's plans to extend GST to all funds management fees this morning. Parker said he made the decision with Robertson after the "furore" that blew up in the 18 hours since it was included without an announcement in a package of technical changes.

He confirmed to reporters in Parliament the decision was made Wednesday morning. The announcement of the backdown was released at 1.16pm, less than a day after the changes were tabled in an 'omnibus' bill of tax tweaks before Parliament. 

Parker agreed he was embarrassed by the turnaround, given he had defended it to the hilt just this morning on RNZ. He blamed 'mis-reporting' by the media, smaller fund managers for not supporting it, the big four bank owners of other fund managers, the Opposition for misrepresenting it and the IRD for under-estimating the reaction. He said the Government had decided to reverse the decision to protect the reputation of KiwiSaver.

"It wasn't a tax on KiwiSaver. That's been terribly misreported by the media. It was a proposal to even up the GST paid to KiwiSaver providers," Parker said when asked about the tax 'backdown.'

"We were expecting some of the smaller fund managers to support this. None of them have been (supportive). The clarion call against it risks undermining public confidence in KiwiSaver, including misrepresentations that this was a tax on KiwiSaver contributions or their returns, which it never was. But we weren't willing to put KiwiSaver in jeopardy," Parker said.

"The public backlash is, in part, because people were misinformed that we were taxing their KiwiSaver contributions when we weren't," he said.

'We didn't think it would be an issue'

Parker said the Government had expected funds would absorb much of the increase through lower profits, although IRD had advised otherwise.

Asked if all the $225m in extra taxes would be passed on to KiwiSavers, he said: "It depends what would be the competitive response to New Zealand fees. New Zealand fees are already higher than they are in Australia. Even though in Australia, they already have the GST treatment that we were proposing."

Asked why he had defended it this morning, but backtracked by midday, he said: "We weren't expecting the backlash that we've experienced against this."

He argued that was the reason it had not been included in the news release announcing the tax changes.

"It's one of the reasons why we're doing we were highlighting other issues like the reduction in fringe benefit tax, the changes to GST on Airbnb, and Uber. So this backlash has been a surprise to us based on the information that we had from Inland Revenue, which was that there was some providers that were in favour of the change."

Parker would not name which funds had supported it.

He denied the Government had tried to 'sneak it through.'

"Not a all."

Media, banks, funds and IRD blamed

He was then asked about his blaming the media for the reaction.

"Well, one of the headlines, and one of the major newspapers said that this was a tax on KiwiSaver. So it gave people the impression that their KiwiSaver savings were going to be subject to GST, which was never the case. Now we are the parents of KiwiSaver. It's the other side that have undermined it by withdrawing tax credits and subsidies for fees etc. And we just weren't willing to put at risk the reputation of KiwiSaver," Parker said.

"I can blame the media and in respect of misrepresentative headlines which suggested that GST was going to be charged on KiwiSaver contributions and the funds that people have in KiwiSaver," he said.

Asked if he had 'read the room wrong,' he said: "Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised at how well banks defend their profits. They're the owners of the big KiwiSaver firms."

He rejected the advice of both the IRD and FMA, who estimated it would reduce funds under management over time. The FMA estimated a reduction of over $160b in total by 2070.

"They've made no allowance for what would be the competitive response in an increasingly competitive KiwiSaver market," he said.

Parker also blamed the Opposition for putting KiwiSaver's reputation at risk.

"The reaction to the proposal has been overblown, and it's included assertions that it was a wealth tax...that was one of the assertions from one of the providers. Someone else said that it was going to be a tax on KiwiSaver, implying that it was a tax on KiwiSaver contributions. And that has been one of the reasons why people who have KiwiSaver accounts have been so alarmed.

"The effect on fees would have been far lower than the changes made to the KiwiSaver scheme by the prior government when they took away the tax contributions," he said.

Asked if it was the banks' fault for the reaction, he said: "They're the big winners today."

'We did it to save KiwiSaver's reputation'

Asked again why the Government had made the u-turn, he said: "Because we thought that the reputation of KiwiSaver in the meantime was being besmirched in the way that undermine public confidence in it."

Asked if the u-turn was embarrassing, he said: "We would obviously have preferred that the people that we thought were going to come out in support of this had.The fact that they haven't causes us to reverse our position. We think that's the right thing to do. Because we think that the furore around this was denting public confidence in KiwiSaver."

"There has been engagement with the the funds management sector before this proposal came out. And the feedback that I had from the Inland Revenue Department was that there were some in favour and some against."

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46 Comments

Oh dear. Everyone's fault except the people that introduced the tax. Dave showing once again his connection with the electorate, and how much his finger is on the pulse of how Kiwis are feeling about his policies. Apparently if people had supported this tax, it would still be there, but they didn't, so it isn't. All we have to do is oppose all sorts of other dumb government policies, and they will be reversed. Sounds quite good.

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Lots of explaining. Similar the sharma debacle explaining how a screenshot was sent out accidentally. Priceless.

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The Government represented by the Minister and others don't seem to know how fees, taxes, etc work in the real world. Everything is passed on to the ultimate consumer/saver and they should have been aware of that. However one spins it, the Kiwisaver holders would have borne the extra levy and lost some of their capital. 

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diddims?

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They should of doubled it and rammed it home , its not lunchtime tomorrow yet....lol

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They should have managed it like house price rises.

Govt on Tuesday: "We're introducing a 45% tax on Kiwisaver management fees."
Everybody: "Gah! NO!"
Govt on Wednesday: "It seems we've met resistance due to misrepresentation by the media, providers, and banks. Accordingly, the tax will no longer be implemented, with only GST being applied."
Everybody: "Yaaaay!"

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Not surprised how well the banks defend their profits?

But that would only be on the assumption that the banks would be driven to absorb the GST themselves and not charge it on through the admin fees?

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In our dreams the Banks would be so fair and reasonable and selfless.

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Idiot.

Only an idiot thought this was a good idea.

It takes an even bigger idiot, to imagine that a GST would impact the banks profits. They would have passed it through to the consumer quicker than a Labour U-turn.

 

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We weren’t expecting, they said, the backlash. No government in its right mind should ever need to stoop to that sort of pathetic platitude, by way of an excuse. Blimey, we the public, we weren’t expecting three waters either. Said it before, say it again. This penny dreadful pantomine of a government either cannot react to anything until after it has happened or else, they have no conception of the consequences of whatever they may finally get to do. Just a bunch of no hopers and knee jerkers masquerading as some sort of local opera society.

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Agree. Seriously, scarily, thinking of voting Nats to get this bunch of muppets out. 

Atrocious. 

Not saying Nats would be great, but it would be pretty hard to be as bad as the current mob in charge. 

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... teach them a lesson : boot them out ... there'll be a purge within Labour after that ... new faces emerge ... a rejuvenated party , without the current ministers who're making us so angry ... Little , Parker , Poto , Mahuta , Ardern , Clark ... a loss in 2023 will ultimately save Labour from their current ideologically driven path...

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Yep it is the only option.

And if the nats are no good, then we kick them out too.

If two consecutive one term govts happen then the term should automatically reduce to 2 years. Never agree to the 4 year bs they all want, imagine that!

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.. if I did a U-turn as fast as this government I'd have blown the gearbox out of my Toyota vitz & rolled it into a ditch ... there'd be metal and glass scattered up the motorway ...

Wow ! ... its gonna be seriously boring when the Gnats are in power , very very dull after Jacinda's circus has been booted out ...

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Instigated by National in 2017 , supported by ACT - your idiots?

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Should have bunged those journalists a few more million Mr Parker, and then they might have been on your side. 

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If only these politicians would own up to their poor judgement or decision I would be a lot more respectful of them. We all make mistakes. Own them. Do not blame others. Ensure they do not happen again. Difficult to do granted. Takes an enormous amount of energy, humility and integrity to do so. I speak from personal experience. Very hard to do but ultimately rewarding for both the individual and the team they lead. In this case the NZ public.

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Being accountable and owning up to ones mistakes is a sign of great character. Something politicians and leaders today sadly lack

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"The effect on fees would have been far lower than the changes made to the KiwiSaver scheme by the prior government when they took away the tax contributions," he said.

OK Parker, you decided not to reverse those changes National made. Why not?????

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... very good point ... they've had 5 years in power , and not once mentioned reversing the silly changes to KS that Bill English made ...

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More importantly, he's the Environment Minister.  And the RMA replacement legislation looks to be another that will be rushed through. Nightmare. 

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Labour's MO since day one appears to be to push through, under urgency, with no consultation.

They are like excited kids at Christmas, just tear into everything and hope for the best.

It really comes across that they can't believe they actually got voted in.

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There's been reasonable consultation on the RMA reforms but they haven't indicated changes in response to some of the very good advice received in SC submissions - and are determined to wrap this up before the end of this term (in fact the initial punt they had was by end of this year, but can't see it happening). 

Geoffrey Palmer's EM reform process lasted six years and even then it was a National Government that then finally enacted the new legislation when the government changed.  Whereas this reform process doesn't have the complexity in terms of the number of statutes that will be repealed as a result - the thing is the RMA itself (as we've learned over the past 31 years!) didn't 'work' very well for anyone (be they environmentalist, developer or council).

I'm just not feeling confident.  Don't see this becoming any less of a hornet's nest. But we'll see. 

 

 

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Are you a planning consultant Kate. 

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I teach planning part time at Massey and do some planning advocacy work on the side.

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Planning reform is fraught, balancing property rights of the individual with the public good. Yes it should be approached carefully, not rushed. Liarbour is trying to do too much too soon eg all the new national standards, which aren't coordinated. Cue cluster then cue repeal

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I've had some dealings with him when I did some contract work in government a few years back. If I really said what I thought of him I probably would be banned from this website. 

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Yes, an environment minister who doesn't care about trees e.g. Auckland being cleared of mature native trees so housing developments can go in.

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Removing trees and planting saplings is a normal process. Farmers care about their animals so do you expect them to keep every single one?

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He doesn't care about our built heritage either. I guess that's because it's colonial, and it's not woke to value colonial heritage. 

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Such a weak excuse from the minister, the so called loophole is an intentional exception in the tax code. If there is actually a problem with a few providers paying GST, why not work with them to get them access to the exception? Answer, because it's not about an equal playing field for the little guy, its a tax grab plain and simple.

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He should have got David Seymour to explain it - as he did yesterday;

Seymour said he supported "low-rate, broad-based taxes" and believed "all goods and services should be treated equally for fairness and simplicity".

"We acknowledge that applying GST equally to all funds would slightly increase overall taxation. However, we note that total taxation is driven by total Government expenditure, so making the tax system simpler and fairer is a separate issue from the overall level of taxation"

 

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My guess is that the Cabinet and the PM simply weren't across this properly and got blindsided. No doubt Mr Parker sold it as a technical change of little import and their eyes glazed over.  They said yes to shut him up ...  and then it blew up!.  Don't b e surprised if Mr Parker "decides" to retire ahead of election 2023.  A liability masquerading as an asset.

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Exactly. Plus he supports China's belt and road. Which is very very scary.

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Blame no one but the politicians, who will do or undo anything and everything to get / remain in power.

Spineless is the word.

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Oh poor duddums misrepresented in the media.  This government constantly misrepresents anyone they don't like e.g. protesters against vaccine mandates whom they constantly termed anti-vaxxers and refused to speak to them.

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Surprised he didn't blame left handers and pacifists as well.

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If these idiots are so desperate for introducing new taxes ,perhaps the time is right to start taxing churches,Māori enterprises and Sanitarium etc.Fingers crossed that this latest fiasco is the catalyst for the Government failure.Does the Governor General have the power to dissolve Parliament?

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Hang on, didn't they campaign on no new taxes... whoops!

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... sssssssssssh ! ... don't mention " new taxes " ... David Parker did , but I think he got away with it ...

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Parker would be better employed asking why a NZ citizen billionaire gave $250 million to the Aussies for health research today .,...

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/global-pandemic-therapeutic…

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/31/mo…

 

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Surprise everyone! here's an unexpected curveball I slipped into the technical notes (unannounced...).

Whoops, I didn't see that coming... I blame everyone else....!

Really?

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extending the coverage of a tax is not a new tax, but it is still technically a new tax.

I personally don't have an issue of paying more taxes, I have problem how this lot spending it.

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Wow if the cumulative result of GST on fees is this, what is the cumulative result of taxing employer contributions when made as opposed to applying the tax on withdrawal?

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Just worked some basic numbers- we are being taxed $20bn more in tax than when Labour came into government. That’s an extra $4,000 for every man, woman and child in NZ. In my case an extra $24,000 (6 person household) on top of what I was paying pre Tinkerbell and Grant.

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This from the man who stuffed CCCFA twice ?

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