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PM Key denies he has changed stance on Trans Pacific Partnership provisions that would allow NZ to be sued by foreign investors

PM Key denies he has changed stance on Trans Pacific Partnership provisions that would allow NZ to be sued by foreign investors

By Alex Tarrant

Prime Minister John Key has rejected a claim that he had done a backflip on the issue of American companies having the right to sue the New Zealand government under the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement being negotiated with the US government.

He said it was far-fetched and extremely unlikely a foreign investor would be able to sue the New Zealand government.

Key’s comments follow a press release from TPP critic Professor Jane Kelsey, which said: “In response to questions about New Zealand and Australian positions during a briefing to civil society in Washington on 31st January Ms Wiesel said “New Zealand had retracted the Prime Minister’s statement. It is not their position.””

Key said he was not aware of any statements that the US trade representative had made.

“I simply haven’t seen those. Nor have I had any discussions from the point at which you asked me that question [last year] to the statements made today, so I certainly haven’t changed my position,” Key told media in Wellington on Monday afternoon.

“It’s not new for New Zealand to include these provisions in trade deals – we did that in the case of recent trade deals, including China – and from the government’s perspective, the advice I continue to receive is that it is far-fetched that an investor would be suing New Zealand,” Key said.

“Nor do we believe or accept the proposition put up by Jane Kelsey that we somehow cede our sovereignty by signing a free trade agreement,” he said.

“We don’t believe that the way the provisions will be structured that they would allow frivolous claims and in our view the way we pass regulation and laws in this country would mean that it’s extremely unlikely, and in our view far-fetched, that we’re going to be sued.

“Certainly if you look at the China experience as a good example, and I think there’s a number of FTAs where we’ve had the same provisions, New Zealand has neither been sued nor had anyone looking likely that they would sue New Zealand.

Key said media were free to take any questions on the issue up with Trade Minister Tim Groser.

“As far as I’m concerned, the advice I’ve had is that it’s extremely unlikely that we would be getting sued,” he said.

Key had “absolutely no idea” why a US trade representative would have said he had retracted his comments.

“But I haven’t made a single comment in this space to anyone since you last asked me that question in this Beehive,” Key said.

“Either I’ve done it telepathically of I haven’t done it at all, and I think we’d take the latter as being the likely outcome. All I can tell you is from the moment you asked me that question to the moment you’ve asked me this question, that [this] is the first time I’ve discussed this matter,” he said.

See Bernard Hickey's video interview with Jane Kelsey last year.

Here is the press release from Professor Jane Kelsey:

In November last year, Prime Minister John Key described as “far-fetched” the idea that investors could sue the New Zealand government directly in a secret international tribunal to enforce rules in the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). 

This week, US trade negotiator Barbara Wiesel said that was no longer New Zealand’s position, according to TPPA critic Professor Jane Kelsey.  

In response to questions about New Zealand and Australian positions during a briefing to civil society in Washington on 31st January Ms Wiesel said “New Zealand had retracted the Prime Minister’s statement. It is not their position.”

Under standard US terms for such agreements, investors can claim millions in compensation from governments on the grounds that new regulation has adversely affect their investment. Under a TPPA that would apply to investors from all participating countries, including our largest sources of investment, the US and Australia, JaneKelsey said.

“In other words, the Key government is happy for pharmaceutical firms in the US, Australian banks or Singapore-based Brierley Investments to sue the New Zealand government for millions in compensation if they think new laws or policies are unfair or unreasonable or erode their profitability”, said Professor Kelsey.

“We saw with the Hobbit, just a threat from a foreign investor is often enough to see a government cave. The leverage of Warners over our labour laws and taxpayer subsidies will pale into insignificance with a TPPA.” 

Professor Kelsey speculates on three explanations for the flip-flop. 

“Either John Key did not know what his negotiators were proposing to do when he described investor-state enforcement as “far-fetched”; or he was lying to the New Zealand public; or he has buckled to pressure from the US, and possibly his own Minister and officials, to agree.”

“This proposed bill of rights for foreign investors is even more frightening when government has announced assets sales and privatisation of ACC, policies which failed in the past and required the government to step back in.”

“The Prime Minister needs to be upfront about the government’s real position before the next round of negotiations begins in Chile on 14 February and explain why he is prepared to give foreign firms the legal power to override New Zealand’s sovereignty and extract settlements of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.”

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23 Comments

The US are 'takers" not givers, infact their whole nation is founded on "taking" so why bother with these bankrupt ass.........s?

Their dairy industry hates us, we are a threat to them. So as long as they see us as a threat then don't even waste your time! 

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"Their dairy industry hates us"...FTA....well actually you could not be any more accurate!!!

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Their dairy industry wants Fontera labled an illegal monopoly.....

What I fail to understand time and time again is looking at the weight of evidence on US behaviour why we deal with them at all....its prefectly obvious we will get shafted....and in being shafted the Pollie of the day will lose votes come an election....

So why do it? I cant see its a vote winner....

regards

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Steven....it is the price we pay for being deeeeeply in debt and having the RBNZ sucking up to the Fed. When it hits the fan again as it surely will, Bolly will ask Ben for some fresh loot and Ben will say "no worries mate"

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What in the world does he mean by "far fetched" - the point is the right to sue for compensation is a proposed provision of the agreement - and the jurisdiction of such disputes is a 'world court'.

Plenty of case law where other countries have been sued by prviate corporations;

http://icsid.worldbank.org/ICSID/FrontServlet 

And that's just one of the two tribunals who hear them.

 

 

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Hi Kate, great link.

Cheers

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This is an interesting case;

Metalclad Corporation v. United Mexican States  (ICSID Case No. ARB(AF)/97/1)  

Just had a brief read - but it seems federal government officials gave assurances/approvals for a hazardous waste facility to be built - and when the Municipality (the locals) became aware of the intentons of it being hazardous waste, they objected and would not issue an operational permit to run it (this latter being within their jurisdiction to determine).

 The tribunal awarded costs of $16m to be paid by the Mexican government.

From my very quick scan, I couldn't determine whether the corporation also intended to export toxic waste from their jurisdiction to Mexico... but I'll just bet that would have been the case.

I can see all sorts of similar local/environmental problems cropping up here, given the mess our present RMA legislation is in.  The way the National Party has amended it - the local population have less and less say regarding the citing of such infrastructure projects.

 

 

   
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And there are plenty of examples of private corporations not winning their cases.  Where a Government action is well founded, evidence based, non-discriminatory and otherwise in accordance with the principles of good regulation, an investor will not have any basis on which to sue.  Why would you want to protect the Government's freedom to regulate badly?

The UK, which is one of the world's biggest recipients of overseas investment, has had a number of these agreements in place for many years and has never had a case brought against it. 

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Why would you want to protect the Government's freedom to regulate badly? 

Because good and bad in accordance with the terms of an FTA, might not be good or bad where the country is concerned. 

Our Pharmac model is a case in point.

It's a matter of sovereignty.

I could never understand the principles behind bi-lateral trade agreements anyway, if the objective globally is for free and fair trade.  The whole way bi-laterals, or multi-laterals are structured serves to restrict global fair trade as the process is taken over by lobbyists and corporates - and as far as the use of the word "free" - well that's just a non-sense and an insult.  

 

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Justice,  stop telling the truth, it will get you in a lot of trouble. Id keep an eye out for grey BMWs with dip plates as you cross the road. These tossers rely on the fact that the average Joe hasn't a clue, change that at your peril!

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LOL, No doubt at all I'm on their list particularly with an American partner. Will find out in April if they wish to do anything about it.

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Being a dairyfarmer I have always voted national.  This will be the issue that causes me to change parties.  Our dairy products will never be allowed unrestricted access to the US market, if Key thinks they will he's not as smart as I thought he was. Even if they were the costs to our sovereignty are to high!

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jared, who gives a ... what you think. JK has a house in Hawaii for a good reason, do the deal stuff. Im out of here done my job.

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Who are you to be calling people names.  From reading the log of your posts you dont seem to be very intelligent.  You should investigate the issue and then see if you can think of anything worthwhile saying. Try the following:

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/free-trade-agreement-us-would-not-be-fre…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/uruguay-tobacco-smoking-phi…

http://ictsd.org/i/news/bridgesweekly/71988/

http://icsid.worldbank.org/ICSID/FrontServlet?requestType=CasesRH&actio…

 

 

 

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Sorry Jared, been down at the pub with the boys talking about real stuff.  What Im trying to tell you as a member of the National party for 20 years myself,is that no body gives a damm who you vote for. The reforms are coming despite who's in power not because of who's in power.

 We are being run by an executive, democracy is a sham, what will be will be.

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Jared, I must add that the biggest threat to you dairy boys isn't from restricted access to the States but the USA using its power to grow its exports at our expense. Look at the increase in US dairy exports and the projected growth in said exports, its going to be a big deal for us.

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I hope your wrong but the cynical side of me agree's. The sooner the power of the US subsides the better.

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I never used to belive in conspiracry theories  now I find it hard not to. I wasn't calling you a dum arse but referring to the atittude of the masters to the plebian.

 The big battle is going to be about resources, if a few billion go hungry then that the price that will be paid. Its why our resource rich neighbour will keep shinning. Its also why the USA keeps such a big miitary when there is no threat to its dominance.

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Jared, I think AndrewJ got his punctuation wrong...he's normally a model of propriety (if a little pissed off at the moment).

and didn't need me to tell you, he just did it himself!

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Investor state dispute mechanisms are the tool of american imperialism

 

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maybe but we take Mastercard, American express and Visa too.

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A gentle reminder to all to play the ball not the man and to be avoiding the use of the coarse language as my grandmother used to call it.

cheers

Bernard

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Key question for Key on this: If you don't think it will be used, why leave the clause in?

Nice one Kate above. As we see, it has been used before.

cheers

Bernard

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