When the US Federal Reserve finally started cutting interest rates this week, most Americans were celebrating. But not former President Donald Trump, for him it was a political problem.
“I guess it shows the economy is very bad if they have to cut it by that much, assuming they are not just playing politics, but it was a big cut,” he told reporters.
This contrasted against the views of Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, a Trump-appointee, who said the US economy was in “good shape” and growth was continuing at a “solid pace”.
The double-whammy rate cut he delivered on Thursday was intended to maintain this strong economy and get ahead of any emerging weakness in the labour market.
New Zealanders would kill to be in the same position. The Reserve Bank has also begun easing monetary policy but under very different circumstances.
Gross domestic product figures this week showed the economy hasn’t grown in the past two years and has contracted more per capita than after the Global Financial Crisis.
Meanwhile, US gross domestic product grew 3.1% in the year ended June. However, the public have not really appreciated this strong growth, as they have been fixated on rising prices and the ‘vibecession’.
This created an opportunity for Trump, who has accused President Joe Biden and his deputy, Kamala Harris, of “destroying the economy” in an effort to win votes.
Stable prices and falling interest rates may be a nightmare scenario for his campaign.
Room to move
Back in New Zealand, politicians on the centre-right are hoping that lower mortgage rates and on-target inflation will encourage voters to ignore anaemic growth and rising unemployment.
It has been almost a year since the election and, despite plenty of news and controversy, there has been very little movement in the polls.
Labour and NZ First have both gained a few points on their election result, while National has slipped slightly. This has narrowed the gap between left and right but not by much.
Inflation and the cost-of-living has long been the number one issue for voters and any progress on that front should pay dividends for whomever claims credit.
There have been three polls taken since the Reserve Bank first cut interest rates in August and, while they were broadly favourable for National, they didn’t show an obvious bounce.
Labour remains within striking distance of a majority. It would only take a 4% swing in the polls to change which Chris occupies the Beehive’s ninth floor, according to our average.
However, other signals in a recent Taxpayers’ Union (TPU) poll should hearten National, and its coalition partners, as they may be in a stronger position than horse race polling suggests.
But first a disclaimer: the pollster Curia recently resigned from the professional polling body, Research Association New Zealand. Founder David Farrar said in a blog post the complaints process had been “weaponized” against him and he couldn’t cope with the stress.
Some readers may take the view that this makes Curia’s polling less trustworthy. Personally, I take all polling with a hefty grain of salt and will continue to pay attention to Farrar’s results.
The two pollsters with the best track record for voter preference polls are Curia and Verian, which polls for TVNZ, and I don’t expect that to change because of Farrar’s resignation.
End of disclaimer, and on with the column!
Approval ratings
Earlier this month, the TPU released its most recent Curia polling report in full. It contained some interesting nuggets which hint at a stronger base of support behind the blue team.
For example, National picked up more support than other parties when undecided voters were asked to say which way they were leaning.
Luxon has become slightly more popular and was the only politician included in the poll who secured a net positive favorability rating. However, this is a low bar and he is still one of the less popular Prime Ministers in recent times.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins has a net negative rating in opposition, as he did when Prime Minister, and also has weaker support among his own party relative to other leaders.
David Seymour and Winston Peters were both very popular within their respective parties but unpopular with the general public. The more the public sees them, the harder it will be for National to win everyday voters.
One encouraging signal for opposition parties was that only 42% of respondents approved of the Government’s performance, with 35% opposed and 19.5% neutral.
While it does appear that many voters think of Luxon’s National Party as being the best of a bad lot, the public broadly believes it best placed to tackle most big issues.
The Taxpayers’ Union–Curia poll even put them ahead on health, housing, and the environment! This should be safe Labour territory.
Remember, this is only one poll. An Ipsos survey from a similar period showed Labour was preferred on health, poverty, and unemployment. Ongoing job losses and healthcare crises will be big vulnerabilities for the Coalition for the remainder of this Parliamentary term.
That said, the cost-of-living continues to be the top issue for voters and National was rated the best party to fix it in both polls. Tax cuts don’t seem to have moved the dial, but lower mortgage rates will make a much bigger difference to many household budgets.
Just as Trump worries falling interest rates may scupper his chances at a second term, Luxon hopes mortgage rate relief will bring the polling breakthrough which has so-far eluded him.
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It will be around March 2025 before the interest paid on total mortgages starts to come down. As many people are moving up to 6% (ish) rates as are stepping down from 7%. Average yield on mortgages this month will be around 6.33%. We will have to see a lot of mortgages in the low 5% zone before that shifts meaningfully. It took a year to come through after the massive OCR cuts after the GFC (from 8.25% to 2.5% in a year).
So, there is no real hope that lower rates will increase the amount of disposable income flowing into the real economy any time soon. So, job losses and welfare claims will continue to hit, tax revenue will drop far more than forecast, and the swing voters (the only people National and Labour seem to care about) will start to notice things falling to bits around them.
National and RBNZ are both counting on a housing market surge to save the day (banks pumping fresh debt into the economy via mortgages). But, Govt deficit spending is being cut by $12bn this year (relative to last), so borrowing will have to double (from $13bn this year to $25bn) just to stand still.
Where NZrs are at now with problems with high mortgage interest rates didn’t happen in just a year and obviously any meaningful relief of lower interest rates will not happen overnight either. Governments unfortunately inherit problems easier than fixing problems and unfortunately too, governments can equally create problems.
Probably ok actually. We had relatively low public debt, and they liked spending money, which is jobs, and fiscal velocity in the economy. Economically, we could have been living even more of a fools paradise.
BUT
Much of that spending was providing little value, and it was dependent on some improved external income being able to pay for it.
It'd be longer than 3 years before the high bill was due. But it'd always come due.
We have to consider though that it's not just about the actual money freed up from paying mortgage interest.
If rates are going up, that in itself is a psychological handbrake for people to do investing, spending or borrowing. If they're flat or trending down, then people are more inclined to throw money around.
Granted, recent OCR history is going to have some people thinking twice, and the economy itself isn't in a great state, but there's more at play than the pure financial costs of the OCR moving.
Economics is largely a confidence game.
I was referring to interest rates, not council rates.
As for councils spending money, they need to, but they're so far behind the 8 ball, I can't see much of that money going into anything that has a lasting financial benefit. It needs to go on maintenance of what we already have, or debt for things they paid for, that we already have.
Not to dissimilar from bankrolling a company that's trading insolvent. Usually a long road to decent economic health.
But that's potentially a lot of our private sector, and citizens now also.
JFoe: "So, there is no real hope that lower rates will increase the amount of disposable income flowing into the real economy any time soon. "
There might be.
The RBNZ believes the neutral rate for the OCR is 2.75%. (I believe it is higher based upon the rentier behaviors we've seen from businesses over the last few years. But that's an entire different subject.) Anyway ...
Were the RBNZ to be the mavericks they like to think they are (they aren't, they're arrogant, pompous plodders living in the dark ages of economic theory) then they could drop the OCR to 2.75%, while raising DTI's and LVR's to serious restrictive levels, and see what happens.
The shock and awe factor would be considerable. This effect would last for three to six months. But this may be all that was needed. And in which time they could adjust the OCR up or down as needed, ditto DTI's and LVR's.
I guess what I'm really saying is that - We need the OCR at neutral NOW! Right now!
But, like you say, "there is no real hope"
'The Taxpayers’ Union–Curia poll even put [National] ahead on health, housing, and the environment! This should be safe Labour territory.'
Labour failed spectacularly during its six years in government (the last three unchained from NZFirst) to deal with poverty and with access to health care. Its timidity and incrementalism revealed it as but a shadow of its National opposition.
No one will take any notice of Labour till Labour becomes again the champion of the poor, a role it abandoned 40 years ago.
Yes confidence is currently shot to pieces. No recovery until 2027/2028, maybe.
I would like to move houses and have ability to borrow large again....but the shaky economy is telling me to not borrow large or medium volumes.
I also see interest rates retesting the recent highs again, as I see a new High Interest Rate World:
Deglobalistion.
Wars.
Reshoring.
All equal higher costs and this equals higher interest rates. Simple.
Expect higher interest rates to be maintained.
Those that have already extended and leverage themselves stupidly (poor sops) and dangerously on the SO CALLED "independent economist " advice. AKA: The Comb.
-One financialy hiccup and they are stuffed, sometimes forced to sell the house/"investment" at life changing losses.
With capital losses being more likely in the future, buyers should look at the longterm value curve along with the average wage inflation curve and discount substantially on any future offers.
FHBs especially, don't be the housing speculators useful idiot or fall guy!
The National Party Housing minister calling for LOWER HOUSE PRICES, is good. He is just merely observing the LARGE FALLING KNIFE and trying to take hitch his wagon and take the credit for lower housing values. Smart Politician!
A good opportunity for half a billion dollars worth of new Debt?
"Struggling Fletcher Building started formally... testing interest for an emergency capital raising....The offer size was still moving around as of Saturday; however, fundies were told to expect the cash call to be north of $500 million. "
https://www.afr.com/street-talk/fletcher-building-wall-crosses-investor…
Capital raising exceeding $500 million. More simplistically, debt relief. See the same game play for instance in the meat processors, Alliance, Silver Fern Farms. Synlait is another one too. Get overloaded with hard core debt, scramble together new capital and run that off until once more, arrive at hard core debt.
And if we had the courage, we'd look at ourselves and ask, "Why on Earth should interest rates fall when the whole country/economy is a mirror image of Fletcher Building?". But no. We'll do as everyone else will try to do. Issue more Debt at artificially low rates. Because as Lagarde assures us, "Central Banks have all the necessary tools to avoid a disaster, this time...."
https://www.ft.com/content/33a44142-3b60-49c5-89d9-2f27b5c30b7f
Much of the economy is akin to a business that's a dead man walking. It doesn't know it's dead, so rather than face facts, do some rationalizing, pivot, or just shut down, it'll go down kicking and screaming.
What we won't know, is how long it can bleed out for. A while, I think.
Having witnessed two houses within extended family being built in the last six years was staggered to see the tentacles that Fletchers had into all areas of supply and with that exerted great influence. Appreciate not technically a monopoly, but damn bloody close. That sort of commercial structure and persona cannot fail to become complacent, bloated and greedy with all the accompanying inefficiencies and ill discipline.
For quite some time, they were a client of mine. Interesting company, they have some fairly old roots. In some ways, fairly positive, they had active cadet programs, and looked after their staff in a way that's not largely seen in most modern businesses. On the flipside, they seemed very resistant to change, with a lot of antiquated practices.
Even in the civil game. You have Brian Perry Civil, Higgins, Pipeworks, Piletech (Civil Contractors), Humes Pipelines (Sales & Concrete manufacture), Iplex Pipelines (poly pipe manufacturer). All Fletchers owned.
Brian Perry Civil/Higgins are often nominated lead contractor on large scale projects. Who's going to be their preferred supplier when tendering?
I keep hearing how NZers are up against it financially.
But doing a bit of shopping at the new mall at Auckland Airport doesn't seem to present much of a problem. Traffic jams......
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/528608/travellers-warned-to-expect-…
Plenty of great stuff here too!
Had a brilliant long walk yesterday along Tamaki Drive. The sea, the coast, the islands, and Auckland’s hinterland are wonderful. Much better than Wellington.
And Wellington doesn’t have anything that comes close to Ponsonby Road, although Upper Cuba Street is quite funky and fun
I still like my hometown - but just to visit. I am a warm weather person and need proper summers, for a start…
Re: polling, it will oscillate around gently (not Wildly) for quite a while. But come this time next year, Nats will start to pull away, with interest rates much lower, house prices starting to rise, and the economy improving.
in this scenario, Nats don’t have to do much to win next election
Arrrrh no. 6% rates aren't going to cause a bullrush for the malls and car dealers or encourage folks to go out and buy another house.
The banks will benefit again. Theyre going to get their fractionalised loans back and potentially reduce the risky mortgagee book.
CPI & HHS 3.3% (Doesn't include Land & Property Values), and 5.8% (Includes Land & Property Values) respectively.
Recession, Recession, Recession.
Well, even though I don’t really care since it is irrelevant anyway. Emissions did reduce when national was in power and trended steadily down. Then, Labour increased them steadily again whilst screaming and yelling about something called a climate crisis.
PS: please don’t point to emissions trending down whilst the country went through the crazy Covid period of lockdowns and other loony ideas and justify that as a success.
I think that both main parties couldn't care less about the environment beyond their virtue signalling. They allow this BS to continue indefinitely:
Laws are made to be ignored by councils – for 25 years & counting
“…the AFFCO plant in Napier has been discharging trade waste into the city’s wastewater system at non-compliant levels since monitoring began in 1998.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350416424/private-communication-worksafe-says-never-occurred
Our superpower - we can control our borders……
Give it 5 years and we will be able to sell permanent residence as a nice earner - well us and Australia.
Better than selling existing houses amongst ourselves.
Good for Auckland (incl Riverhead), Christchurch and the Lakes District at least…..
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