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Chris Trotter says Christopher Luxon should be grateful that his principal opponent, Chris Hipkins, is as out of sympathy with the temper of the times as he is

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Chris Trotter says Christopher Luxon should be grateful that his principal opponent, Chris Hipkins, is as out of sympathy with the temper of the times as he is
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By Chris Trotter*

Chris Hipkins had both a good week and a bad week. He and his team were able to press home Labour’s attack on the self-destructive behaviour of the Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing, Andrew Bayly. Winston Peters’ mid-week counterattack, however, immediately placed Labour on the defensive.

Hipkins was forced to endure the embarrassment of having to walk-back his description of the public servant at the heart of Peters’ conflict-of-interest claims as a “distant relative” of Ayesha Verrall, Labour’s health spokesperson. As Peters gleefully pointed out, the individual in question was, in fact, Verrall’s sister-in-law.

So, not that distant.

The attack on Bayly, while successful, risked the accusation that Labour was shooting an already wounded fish in a barrel. The walk-back forced upon Hipkins by Peters, by contrast, made the Leader of the Opposition look just a little bit shifty, and a lot foolish.

Even worse, Peters had floated a story calculated to shift the public’s attention away from the controversial actions of NZ First’s Associate Health Minister, Casey Costello, towards the equally controversial possibility that ideologically-driven public servants might be deliberately sabotaging the ministers they are employed to serve.

Peters is entirely justified in querying the failure of the Ministry of Health to alert Costello to the potential conflict-of-interest which Verrall’s sister-in-law had promptly, properly and professionally identified to her employer prior to working alongside the Associate Health Minister.

The Ministry’s failure to adequately brief Costello has placed their employee in an extremely uncomfortable position. Verrall has led the charge in Parliament against Costello’s actions in relation to New Zealand’s long-standing, and hitherto bi-partisan, effort to reduce the population’s consumption of tobacco products. Verrall’s attacks were amplified by the impact of a number of dramatic information leaks. The potential, now, for members of the public, alarmed by Peters’ revelations, putting two and two together, and making five, is considerable.

Peters’ intuitive feel for the sort of story most likely to gel with the mindset of the Coalition’s conservative supporters can only be admired. Justified, or not, there is a widespread conviction on the Right that the Coalition Government’s electoral mandate is not respected by institutions whose acceptance of the majority’s right to govern is essential to the proper functioning of a representative democracy.

The impression left with right-wing New Zealanders, from the way these institutions have conducted themselves since October 2023, is that the victory of the three parties making up the Coalition Government represents a deeply problematic triumph of ideas, attitudes, and policies inimical to the optimal development of Aotearoa-New Zealand.

Public servants, judges, academics, journalists and the liberal clergy are all, rightly or wrongly, perceived to be working against the Government, and doing everything within their power to impede the roll-out of policies deemed morally unjustifiable and evidentially unsustainable. The degree to which conservative voters are invested in these policies is a pretty reliable indicator of the animosity directed at those believed responsible for delaying – or even halting – their implementation.

Such political frustration is far from novel. What is new, however, is the general apprehension of those who identify as right-wing, that “the system” is ideologically rigged against them. Those subscribing to this notion are convinced that across-the-board resistance to conservative policies is not only prevalent in the upper echelons of New Zealand society, but that it also enjoys the unofficial blessing of an unhealthily large number of the nation’s unelected leaders.

As evidence of this phenomenon many of them would point to the Waitangi Tribunal’s apparent refusal to accept that the Coalition Government has a clear electoral mandate to implement policies which, in the Tribunal’s view, run counter to its understanding of te Tiriti and its constitutional significance. That the Tribunal’s judgements are typically met with the enthusiastic support of academia and the news media only confirms the Right’s belief that New Zealand’s state and social infrastructure has been tilted decisively to the Left.

The surprising appointment of Richard Prebble to the Tribunal will serve as an important test as to whether that quasi-judicial body is open to being tilted to the Right.

Prebble’s comeback notwithstanding, conservative New Zealand’s confusion is entirely understandable. The left-wing biases they detect in today’s institutions are the exact opposite of the biases evident across the same institutions in times past.

Historically, it was the Left who looked with dark suspicion on all the key institutions of capitalist society. Citing The Communist Manifesto, Marxists reminded their comrades that: “The executive of the modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.” No genuine left-wing government, they averred, would ever be permitted to implement an authentic socialist programme.

“Don’t believe us? Just look at what happened to Salvador Allende, Harold Wilson, Norman Kirk, and Gough Whitlam in the 1970s.”

Deep down, one suspects, conservative New Zealanders are struggling to resist the terrifying conclusion that, somehow, Capitalists have convinced themselves that, far from sending their system broke, going woke is actually more likely to strengthen its hegemonic grip on the sensibilities of the post-modern West.

Perhaps it is this deep fear that explains Andrew Bayly’s self-destructive behaviour. There was a time when the servants of power found it advantageous to advertise the superior status of their masters by demonstrating the inferior status of their servants – commonly referred to “sucking up by kicking down”. Bayly’s background as an army officer, and as the paid protector of other people’s capital, would certainly have exposed him to this sort of behaviour. Unfortunately for him, however, the social strategies of the past are no longer the social strategies of the present. Drawing attention to the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy is no longer appreciated by today’s businesspeople – small or large.

Which is why Chris Hipkins’ decision to highlight Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s unwillingness to remove Bayly’s ministerial warrant was such a shrewd one. It provided the voters and, more importantly, the business community, with a vivid illustration of just how all-over-the-place Luxon’s understanding of twenty-first century politics truly is.

Andrew Bayly isn’t a bad man, but he shows every sign of being an outdated one. No politician wishing to succeed in 2024 would contemplate interacting with a fellow citizen so crassly, or so cruelly – not even in jest.

Were Luxon committed to reaffirming and reinstating all the old conservative values – i.e. a right-wing populist – then his handling of Bayly would make perfect sense. There is nothing, however, that suggests Luxon has any sympathy with the populist impulses of NZ First – or Act. On the contrary, he tries to present himself as the quintessential twenty-first century businessperson – an ambition radically at odds with the anti-woke expectations of a significant percentage of the Coalition Government’s electoral base.

Luxon should be grateful, then, that when it comes to not “getting” the frustration and resentment of conservative New Zealand – a designation which includes a large number of former Labour, as well as National, voters – his principal opponent, Chris Hipkins, is as out of sympathy with the temper of the times as he is.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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As usual, a thoughtful article. Yet, I think the reality is somewhat more complex.

From my time in central government, my observation would be that the bureaucracy overall is certainly a ‘centre-left’ tinge. Yet, I would also say that this tinge is infused with a healthy dose of neoliberalism.

One of the best examples of this is the enthusiasm that bureaucrats in MfE, MBIE, MHUD, and Treasury have for urban planning reform and deregulation. Don’t get me wrong, reform is urgently needed, provided it’s the ‘right’ kind of reform. 
Yet there’s a widespread ideological belief amongst the bureaucracy that de-regulation will solve, or at least substantially address, the housing affordability crisis. This is very much a centre-right / neoliberal position, a curious mix with the ostensibly progressive, centre-left views of the bureaucrats.

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@ HouseMouse - "Yet there’s a widespread ideological belief amongst the bureaucracy that de-regulation will solve, or at least substantially address, the housing affordability crisis."

We've also had the last 6 years of constant regulation & restriction, in order to "solve"  or at least substantially address, the housing affordability crisis. These changes increased both property prices, rents & government emergancy social housing wait lists to all time highs by the fastest rate in our countries history. Their flow on effects also directly impacted homeless & crime rates, most particularly domestic violence & child poverty rates as well. Less disposable income puts pressure on everyone, whether one owns or rents.

So clearly neither de-regulation nor regulation in general is beneficial in being able to effectively solve, or at least substantially address, the housing affordability crisis. Time for a new approach. One that is not at all centered around regulation.

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The only way affordability will meaningfully improve is if the government either builds LOTS of housing for FHBs, or funds A LOT MORE community housing providers to build and sell based on shared equity approaches. 
De-regulation might help limit the extent to which housing affordability worsens, but it WILL NOT result in affordable housing being delivered.

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@ HouseMouse  - Totally agree with you on that.

The 100,000 ghost home build was a great idea in theory, but poorly executed. There was no real clear plan of attack on exactly how they were to achieve this. Had they have, as they were solely elected in to do, well we wouldn't be having this endless housing crisis discussion. 

Again I ask, if we conclude that neither more regulation or de-regulation results in affordable housing being delivered, and more tenants into homes of their own, then what other viable solutions could we try?

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"6 years of constant regulation & restriction".

That's what happens when the only game in town is grooowth. Smaller slices of the pie need to be micro managed. Remove all that "careful" management, while retaining grooowth as the primary directive and you end up with the sh!tshow quicker than when the slices are carefully divvied up.

Still a sh!tshow mind 

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But GROWTH is quoted in percentages - meaning RELATIVE TO THE LAST ONE.

So non-linear - but the little minds of the 3-Clown Circus (Bishop seems to be the biggest, or maybe Stanford - neither Mensa material by some distance) are linear. At best. 

What Trotter doesn't realise, yet, is that his appraisals are as of the past as those he attempts to appraise. 

And there is no next 'doubling time', planetarily. No matter how hard global politics tries...

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I do wish Luxon would tone it down at international events. He's like the energizer bunny of back slaps and arm grabs.

Modi must of been relieved to move onto the Russian bloc convention. 

 

 

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@ Solardb - What do you mean tone it down? Do we not want an energized PM to represent us at international events? 

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I guess it's  probably only us that get the media coverage of him. And that coverage that bro ing up to Modi would somehow get us a trade deal.  

Know our place is what I'm saying, I guess, nz remains irrelevant to India.

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Go Christopher Luxon. Go Prime Minister

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Hipkins has spent his entire career in politics whereas Luxon is still a relative  newcomer and by now has confirmed himself as not exactly a professional politician. In  life outside of politics, that in my opinion, actually is hardly a bad thing. For all his experience though Hipkins cannot help but trap himself with glib and flippant remarks, sometimes untrue. Early on PM Ardern had to intercede regarding comment of his that angered Julie Bishop in the Australian government, the woeful and punitive handling of the journalist stranded in Afghanistan, the front of the queue for vaccines and no saliva testing for frontline staff because they didn’t want them. All those come to mind and here he is at it once again. Luxon is still learning. Arriving in parliament and becoming PM in a first term is unprecedented. As well he inherited a party in disarray and besieged by a series of unsavoury scandals.That he has righted and watertightened the ship has been no small feat but there is no room for slippage and it could well be that Mr Bayly falls out of the bottom of the pack in the next next shuffle and, as far as the other side is concerned,  Mr Hipkins is exited from the top of his counterpart.

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You should not be considered for a Cabinet role without first having a career, together with some form of finance, legal or economics degree as well.

Is there another profession where such ill-equipped and unsuitable staff are able to attain such influential roles? Whatever you think of Key & Luxon, they proved themselves in the cut & thrust of corporate life and are eminently more talented than Ardern and Hipkins as a result.

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No, they're most definitely not. 

Both were rentiers, neither were producers. And in Key's case, rentier within a zero-sum game (meaning: at the expense of someone else). 

Neither are any use 'going forward'; although Key's pragmatism and electorate understanding was orders of magnitude better. Luxon gives a good impression of a dork; but some of his flock give better ones; Brown out-Woodhouses Woodhouse; quite a feat. 

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"‘I’m wealthy and I’m sorted’: PM makes no apology for capital gains on Wellington apartment..."

They both have the same ethos -" If I don't do it (rentierism) then someone else will, so it may as well be me"

 

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Then, you're in the wrong country. We are a market-based capitalist nation - or at least we were.

By all means, advocate for a centrally planned economy if that's your thing. Just don't expect entrepreneurs to pay for your public goods. Enjoy your 3 days A&E wait times, or 3 months to see a GP. The rest of us will go private.

For the record, not a massive fan of Luxon. 

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Good qualification: WERE.

And you miss the point; centrally planned economies draw down resources the same way laissez-faire ones do. 

The trick is to operate within our long-term habitat-envelope. How you we do that is up to us; the science is what the science is and the science takes zero notice of egos. 

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@ powderdownkiwi - "the science is what the science is"

Lol Now theres a coherent Labour buzz phrase if ever I heard one.

Coercion is not science, Withholding data is not science, Manipulating data is not science, cherrypicking studies is not science, social conditioning is not science, fear mongering is not science & censorship is not science.

The same leader you got your great political buzzwords from also tells you "We will continue to be your single source of truth," & that, "Unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth". - Jacinda Ardern.

One leader tells you he makes no apology for his capital gains on his property, to which all owners are legally entitled to, & the other leader wishes to censor free speech so that only government propoganda becomes "the single source of truth". Lol And your worried about ol Luxon selling a house. Bigger picture mate. Your missing it because your too wrapped in what your TV told you. Wake up.

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I'm not sure what that pile of c--p was about, but you sure weren't addressing what I was on about.

And I don't have a TV

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teKooti,

"Enjoy your 3 days A&E wait times, or 3 months to see a GP. The rest of us will go private". That's not how it works. A few after I had a kidney removed at a private hospital, I had an issue at home in late evening and I had no option but to go to my local A&E and then be there for the next 12 hours. I am not aware of any GPs I could see privately, whatever I might be prepared to pay. 

Do we need entrepreneurs? Of course and lots more of them, but we need public services too. My own preference is for something like the Scandinavian model, which quite successfully manages to combine higher with excellent public services and yet remain very successful economies. I much prefer it to the American model as we see it now. In the immediate post war decades, when there was much less inequality, the US economy boomed and a huge middle class arose. 

 

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"when there was much less inequality, the US economy boomed and a huge middle class arose. " In this comment you really nail it with respect to making economies work. Spending power then was higher, surplus income was higher and it showed. Today greed rules.

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There were circa 3 billion people on the planet, and more intact resource stocks. 

The US is 'full' now. Its health system is not delivering, for a growing cohort. 

As per here. 

Had to happen - although we could put more energy into health, vis-a-vis other aspects of society. Roads to nowhere, for instance...

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The A&E was a generalisation to make the point that economic value has to be created to provide such services. Of course we need public services, but they are not a right.

The Scandinavian Model, based on both natural resources and proximity to an enormous market. 

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The sacndanavian model is based on a tax to GDP rate around 25% higher than our own.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1459972/world-tax-revenue-share-gdp…

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@ bw - Our former PM Ardern at a uN conference called free speech a "weapon of war".

When a reporter from the Herald asked about the creation of two classes of citizens - between the vaccinated and unvaccinated - Arden said: "That is what it is."

Chris Hipkins "There was no compulsory vaccinations, everybody made their own choices"

Yeah, every political says some pretty dumb stuff. Luxons non apology for his wealth is not even a remote comparison to the dumb stuff that Labour MPs have said in recent years, which ultimately cost them the election.

Why should the PM have to apologize to anyone for his capital gains? Have you apologized to our countries tenant base for your capital gains you've made on your property? Will you apologize when you eventually sell your property for more than you paid for it? Or will you take a loss for "the greater good of our future generation"? Rather hypocritical to expect an apology from a public figure for an act you yourself would be as equally guilty of, an act that is perfectly legal.

Do you expect that Ardern apologizes for calling free speech an act or terrisim, an act of war? How about Hipkins for lieing on National TV about no compulsory vaccinations? Or is your memory conveniantly too short to remember?

Why do you expect an apology from a National MP yet make a series of excuses for Labour MPs? What's with the favouring of political parties?

All very hypocritical to bag on the current PM for rightful statement that he shouldn't have to feel guilty for having profited off gains, when every other owner is also entitled to such. Yet you conveniantly ignore the string of lies & no apologies that came with the Labour parties previous governing.

The Fact that one just doesn't like Luxon is irrelevant. Facts over feelings. You either expect apologies all round, regardless of which political parties they belong to, or you don't. Which one is it? 

 

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Personally I do not find all that much favour with either of these leaders. Neither have the prime ministership savvy or acumen of former PMs Key or Clark, or earlier Holyoake or Kirk. I have met and encountered a few PMs and the standout to me was actually Mike Moore. A bloke who knew it all from the shop floor to the boardroom and possessed commonsense coupled to an easygoing charm. He unfortunately made a sacrifice that cost him and us the opportunity of a full term.

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But even back then, I could have told you that he was a believer in the biggest falsehood of all time.

So a waste of time. 

As was Clark - wittering on still about economic growth. 

Round, round, gatt around, I gatt around ...

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If you want an illustration of a waste of time PM I can recount as a let’s say youngster, PM Holland arriving at our place one evening to persuade  my father, ex RNZAF to take up a temporary appointment  in haste at  Wigram to organise/supervise the airlift of servicemen to Auckland to counter the great waterfront strike. In such a hurry plus agitation he didn’t think to remove his hat once inside. Still it wasn’t long after the end of the war  if you think about it, so guess he may still have had his war cabinet hat on.

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Umm.. According to the New Zealand Companies Register, Luxon has never been a director of a company, perhaps never even been a shareholder of a NZ-based company?  Glorified accountant with no governance skills whatsoever.

These are the type of guys that get quietly put into a taxi and sent home before they make dicks of themselves (either through drink or boorish ineptitude).

Now they are in Government.

 

Sigh...

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"Luxon worked for Unilever from 1993 to 2011, starting in Wellington as a management trainee for two years, leaving for Sydney in 1995. He worked his way up in Unilever, working in Sydney until 2000, in London from 2000 to 2003, and then Chicago from 2003 to 2008, becoming "Global Deodorants and Grooming Category" Director.[11] In 2008 when Unilever restructured, he became president of the company's Canadian operations, based in Toronto.[10][12]

He joined Air New Zealand as group general manager in May 2011 and was named the chief executive officer on 19 June 2012, succeeding Rob Fyfe at the end of that year.[4][13] During his eight-year leadership, Air New Zealand profits grew to record levels and the company was named Australia's most trusted brand several times.[9] He joined the board of the Tourism Industry Association New Zealand in April 2014.[14]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Luxon

 

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"Hipkins received a Bachelor of Arts with a major in political science and criminology from Victoria University of Wellington.[17] He then worked as a policy advisor for the Industry Training Federation and as a training manager for Todd Energy in Taranaki. Hipkins also worked in Parliament as an advisor to Trevor Mallard and Helen Clark.[18]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hipkins

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@ kiwikidsnz  - Yet Hipkins can't even define what a woman is? What an utter waste of a degree! Proves you need need a fancy degree to govern, you just need plain old common sense.

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@ Foxglove - Mr Hipkins could not even define what a woman is, basic biology taught in primary schools, & lied on National TV about their being no forced mandates, that everyone made their own choices. Despite what side of the coin people fall on, you dont lie about what youve prevoously said & done on national tv. Cameras catch that stuff, what he thought us stupid enough to not notice? Mr Hipkins sealed his fate when lieing to the public, expecting we were all stupid enough to believe his every word, despite his multiple contradictions. He had no where near the original carassima as his predecessor had.

The country couldn't trust him, couldn't trust his word having been caught out, & when basic biology totally stumps him, he wasn't fit to govern. You can't solve a basic biology question, there's no way you can solve a countries issues. If it wernt for that I'd consider pity on him for his predecessor having fled, leaving him with such a mess. Even she knew the gig was finally up. 

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Luxon has had remarkable sucess in getting the ship tightened up.  Precisely because he is not from a lifetime in parliament.

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Luxon has had remarkable sucess in getting the ship tightened up.  Precisely because he is not from a lifetime in parliament.

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Thanks for update, Mr Trotter.

Any chance we could have more focus on the policies sometime soon?

Distracting voters with the machinations of the ongoing soap opera - and personal interpretations thereof which one can gather at any pub (and are just as likely to be right) - reduces the real function of government to a footnote buried somewhere between the 'looking for love' and 'statutory notices' in some backwards daily.

To be quite honest - I'd be happy for an old, weird, vile, impressively ignorant, womanising, convicted felon (nod to pigeonbox) to be our leader so long as they implemented policies that effected real change in NZ.

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"I'd be happy for an old, weird, vile, impressively ignorant, womanising, convicted felon (nod to pigeonbox) to be our leader so long as they implemented policies that effected real change in NZ."

One can easily imagine such a "leader" implementing those policies & effecting real change - for the worse (cf. USA).

The Coalition are demonstrably delivering most of the policies they were elected to  by NZs enlightened democracy.

 

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@ kiwikidsnz - "The Coalition are demonstrably delivering most of the policies they were elected to  by NZs enlightened democracy."

Which is more than what we can say of the last Labour years. 

Good to see.

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Yes the country is showing all signs of being back on track...

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@ Baywatch - Steady. Our current government cannot undo the last 6 years of damage caused by the last government in just 11 months. You give our current government far too much credit. They're good, but they're not that good. It will take quite some time to undo all that.

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You sound like a 'pollie yourself; define 'real change'. 

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Top of my list is an overhaul of our woefully out of date tax system. (I think I've posted on that subject quite a bit? Perhaps not enough?)

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A minor aside. 

No big ideas? 

 

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I think I would stop the banks creating money, and make its creation a crown privilege.

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@ Chrisofnofame - The tax system you advocate for which simply just favour's a different kind of approved entity, wrapping it up as "fair, non biased & equalitable"?

The tax system which seeks to achieve equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity.

The Robinhood tax theory of "tax the so called rich more" with the hopes that the money is then filtered down to the so called poor, & that they may use that extra to enhance their lives, rather than squander it.

The tax idea that somehow more money given to so called poor people via constant hand outs will somehow improve a poor person's poor financial habits.

The tax system of taxing ourselves to financial prosperity.

The envy tax system you advocate for that taxes anyone who has more, coz that's just unfair right. We have to tax them until they have as little as their peers right. Because personal financial progress is bad right. Better to just complain about it & recieve financial hand outs from everyone else. 

You advocate to "tax the rich more" but cannot even define what "rich" in NZ looks like. Your interpretation is anyone that has more than someone else. A very broad & incorrect "rich" definition. An actual "rich tax" is highly unlikely to impact many in NZ, & even less likely to filter through to financially assist "the poor" - another definition you are unable to define based on individuals in this country. 

Yeah, we've all heard your "brilliant answer to our current tax system", replacing our current tax system with an even more biased & selective one, with no other logical reasoning motivated to implement it other than pure envy. It's just not fair right? You were told you could have anything you want, just because you wanted it, just because you were told you were special.

I'm sure you could write to your local MP about your amazing tax solution that no other MP has ever thought of before. They could do with a good laugh. Change the world one laugh at a time would give a better result.

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You imply in your comment above that you are all about equality of opportunity.

Would you therefore support a very high inheritance tax?

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@ the Joneses - equality of opportunity regarding tax would be either taxing all forms of profit, regardless of how it's made, or no forms of profit at all. As unlike opinions, both tax and profit are not biased as to who makes it & how.

So, to answer your question - I would absolutely support a "very high inheritance tax" if we also had very high taxes on wages, primary residential first homes, intergenerational family farms, kiwisaver, investment properties, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, crypto currencies and So on.

Though I fail to see how taxing ourselves more somehow makes us any "wealthier", or assist more tenants into homes, as is the goal here. 

Equally so, I am in favour of a very low tax on all profits as well. Equality is not selective. It does not mean you select the entities you feel has more & tax them more. That's not equality, that's envy tax. A true non biased tax system would either tax all forms of profit, regardless of who makes it and how, or none at all.

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Though I fail to see how taxing ourselves more somehow makes us any "wealthier", or assist more tenants into homes, as is the goal here. 

 

Well, in the deluded hope that an increased tax take would not just be wasted on:

- vanity projects,

- hand-outs to the rich or to beneficiaries, (I'm saying hand-outs here).

- generally squandered on anything that doesn't keep on paying back (like flying 200 people business class to COP30, COP31 etc.)

 

Then putting that increased tax take into health will give us more healthy workers.  Putting it into education gives us better educated workers.  Putting it into infrastructure gives us better roads, better sewer systems, safer drinking water, better storm water management, more electricity generation.

Other nation building options are no doubt available.

 

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@ AN Other - As I said, If you wish to tax yourself to financial prosperity then by all means, you first, lead by example, allow your kiwisaver to be heavily taxed, along with your primary home, any inheritance you recieve or give, & we can observe if this makes you or your family "healthier".

But I doubt that increasing one's all round tax in all profit areas would somehow leave anybody better off. It's just simple maths AN - taking more money off people doesn't make them wealthier, nor healthier. 

But obviously that is not what the serial complainers are moaning about however. They want to tax others more who have more than they do, & at the same time be taxed less for having done less. This is not healthy either. It's an envy tax, plain & simple. They don't advocate for a fair & non biased tax system at all, they simply wish to just tip the scales into the hands of those who do less. We know this to be true, as the more profit, the more tax, the less profit the less tax. This was simple economics & business. The serial complainers are actually advocating for less productivity, less personal accountability & perseverance. They advocate instead for a handout from those that have more, as they believe that will somehow solve their poor financial habits. They want others to do it for them.

This is a socialists ideology, that if everyone else who had more, just gave more of their money away in tax, that it somehow will help the poor, & then poor people just wouldn't be poor anymore.

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Maybe he’s Chris Hipkins, lol

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...choked on my beer ;)

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Well I think hopefully,  that having minors aside might be more prevalent politically speaking,  in the House of Lords. Oh, just in case, that’s intended as a joke.

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There’s a very good article in this week’s The Listener on Daron Acemoglou and why his theories are very applicable to NZ.

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Labour and the Greens have set a high bar for removal of a Minister.  Driving drunk, leaving the scene of an accident, and resisting arrest when you are the Minister of Justice is where the standard is set. Likewise, running an immigration exploitation scheme, or shoplifting thousands of dollars worth of goods.  A mere "FU" doesnt come close. 

And the fact that Labour are making such a big deal over such a trivial issue, merely highlights their own appalling hypocrisy.  Clean up your own stable before pointing fingers at other's horses.

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They certainly are hypocrites. But I think that’s a given for politicians.

I had a big laugh reading the Select Committee report on the fast-track bill. Labour criticised the Bill for quashing local democracy, lol. Their NPS-UD and MDRS (sure, bi-partisan) quashed local democracy on planning decisions. I am not passing comment on the merits or otherwise of these things - but they certainly did quash local democracy.

Just one example of profound hypocrisy.

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What was the meme that Ginny shared?

Seems equally poor judgement to me, perhaps worse really...

 

 

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We need visionary leaders with balls, not woke whiners playing politics 

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Mr Trotter is clearly not a Chippy fan.

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Chippy may be gone by school lunch time?

 

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The election betting odds are a long way out from the political polls being presenting by TV1 here in NZ.

 

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The TV1 polls are usually a long way from the Roy Morgan NZ polls which are not presented.

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9693-nz-national-voting-intention-se…

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Thought by many as being a maverick pollster, nevertheless has not been far at all off the pace in the last two elections. What is telling in the shuffle of this latest one is Labour being down by five seats. 2020 =  65 seats, now 29 = - 34. That is the sounding of very loud alarm bells. In just four years of being entrusted with an outright parliamentary majority, against all the mechanics and principles of MMP, the party has descended to undeniably into a state of nadir. Surely that must convey the message that they squandered and mishandled the nations trust to have reached this point. Where to from here then? Indeed!

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Coalition are smashing the male vote. 64% vs 31.5%

Labour 46.5% vs 50% , woman dominating.

interesting that such a large sex divide in voting patterns

 

 

 

 

 

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Males have bigger egos, more need to show status, less empathy. 

Same with Tump supporters. 

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Its child bearing age women who favour the left, a quarter supporting the Greens (a party of unlimited ego, status anxiety & total lack of empathy for anyone not adhering to their dogma, alongside TPM). 

"Women are split by age when it comes to which side of politics they support with a slim majority of older women aged 50+ supporting the governing National/ ACT/ NZ First coalition on 50.5% compared to 45.5% that support the Opposition Labour/ Greens/ Maori Party – a gap of 5% points."

 

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a party of unlimited ego, status anxiety & total lack of empathy for anyone not adhering to their dogma

This describes the current National led government to a tee.

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@ dollar bill - A far better party in comparison to the unlimited smiles, kindness mantras & endless entitlement and handouts to their political dogma. 

This describes the current & previous Labour led government.

75% of voters agree, that Labour would not have been more beneficial to govern than who we currently have now, as they would have elsewise continued to keep voting Labour if for no other reason than to keep the current lot out. This did not happen. Overwhelming majority had zero confidence left in Labour. That speaks volumes.

Your Labour lead fantasy & utopia has come to an end dollar bill. The Labour ship has sunk, with its decieved voter base on board. They can't fathom why, because they are decieved. The majority can tell them exactly why, but they do listen to common sense, & hard facts if it doesn't support their political narrative. Ironic thing about being decieved, is that someone who is decieved does not believe that they are decieved. 

You now have egg on your face dollar bill. It's embarrassing to watch these people attempt to blame an 11 month government for 6 years failure of the previous government. Wake up dollar bill.

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@ kiwikidsnz  - We don't need empathy, we need progress. Both of those things Labour failed to show any signs of during their 6 year stint, which is exactly why more males habe stepped up to vote them out. More power to them. 

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They're fools. 

GoRichGetDead - there, I just fixed your pen-name. 

Anything based on exponentially extraction parts of a finite planet, was doomed to near-term cessation. Ecologists call this OVERSHOOT.

Economists call it - oh wait, they don't learn about that. Nor do the little men - it is usually little men - who need to feel bigger, and do so via acquisition. 

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@ Powderdownkiwi  - GoRichGetDead is still a far better life lived  than ComplainPoorDiePoor.

To expect that only "the rich" consume large quantities of worldly possessions in a finate world as you put, makes you the fool. We are all consumers. It's not everyone else's job to assist you. Be a man about it. Thats your job. You complain of the lack of progress, but fail to realize it is not the p oor that will accomplish this. They're too busy expecting their handouts from "the rich". 

I'll explain my username so you'll be sure to understand how it is implied to your situation: Woke - A state of awareness only achieved by those dumb enough to find injustice in everything except their own behaviour.

Now, If being confronted for your wokeness Powderdownkiwi triggers you, thats just tough. Your triggers are your responsibility. It's not the worlds obligation to tip toe around you.

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