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Election 2023: Live results, commentary, and updates from campaign events around the country

Public Policy / analysis
Election 2023: Live results, commentary, and updates from campaign events around the country
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Christopher Luxon’s National Party has won the election and will lead the next Government.
Christopher Luxon’s National Party has won the election and will lead the next Government.

Midnight: With 95% of the votes counted, Christopher Luxon’s National Party has clearly won the election. It will have 50 seats and could reach a razor thin majority with the Act Party’s 11. 

How the last few uncounted votes come through could still force him to call on Winston Peters for support, but for now it looks like the National–Act coalition will scrape in. 

The Labour Party has won 34 seats in Parliament and just 17 electorates. It has been washed out of supposedly safe seats such as Mt. Roskill, New Lynn, and Rongotai. 

It's been a great night for minor parties. The Greens have made history, winning three electorates and bringing 14 members into Parliament. 

Act has added a jewel to its crown by picking up Tāmaki and is bringing in one new MP.  

Te Pāti Māori has won four of the seven Māori electorates and will create an overhang in Parliament. Labour defector Meka Whaitiri will fall out of Parliament altogether. 

New Zealand First will be back in Parliament with eight MPs but may not get their hands on the levers of power. The jury remains out on this one, as National might want some extra votes to shore up their thin majority. 

We’ll file a more substantive story to read in the morning, but thanks for following along!


11:30: Luxon finished his speeches to a chant of “back on track”. That’s a wrap on Election 2023. Now the fun begins! 

11:20: Luxon claims victory, says National will be in position to lead the next government. Huge applause for “restore law and order” line.

Says he thanked Chris Hipkins for serving as Prime Minister and had a call with Act.

“There are still votes to be counted but on current numbers it looks like National and Act will be able to form government” 

Thanked Winston Peters for his offer to “help where needed”.

He said: “Tonight you have given us the mandate to take New Zealand forward”. 

11:00: We are waiting for Luxon’s victory speech now. With more than 85% of votes counted, National could just form a government with Act alone… but it’s close. 

It’s possible the duo might need some support from New Zealand First.

10:50 National’s Mount Albert candidate Melissa Lee is trailing Labour’s Helen White by just 50 votes. 

10:45 Chris Hipkins tells Labour supporters he has called National's Christopher Luxon to concede. 

Here's more from Eric.

The Labour leader Chris Hipkins tells supporters the result tonight was not what anyone would have wanted. But he says it came after a difficult time and did not bring any discredit to anyone who campaigned for re-election.  

He paid tribute to what Labour had achieved in terms of lifting children out of poverty, building more public housing and keeping the death rate low during the Covid-19 crisis.  

Hipkins was speaking to about 300 party faithful at the party's election night headquarters, the Lower Hutt Events Centre. Hipkins was greeted with rapturous applause during his speech. 

"I know you gave it your all and you deserved a better outcome than you have tonight," he said.  

He had been at home watching the results on television earlier in the evening. 

Labour performed poorly in the vote, but Hipkins said Labour's term was one to be proud of.  

He went on to say becoming ptime minister was the honour of his life and following Jacinda Adern was always going to be a big challenge.

"We now hold an important role in opposition to hold the Governmen to account and to fight for those who will lose so much from its proposed cuts," he said. 

The Labour Party was down, but not out, he said, and it would return. 

Chris Hipkins speaks to Labour faithful.

10:30 National has come back a little in the vote count and Labour has risen somewhat. But the right-bloc still would be able to form a government without NZ First. 

10:20: David Seymour says people have voted for change and a record number have voted for “real change”.

Says Act promises 1/5 millionth of the opportunities the county has to offer to each New Zealander.

Thanks his neighbours in Epsom for sending him to Parliament and his “neighbour’s neighbours” for sending Van Velden to Parliament.

10:10: Davidson puts the boot into Labour for spending too much time telling people what not to vote. 

Gives a mihi to Te Pati Māori for their strong performance, crowd gives huge applause. 

Tells supporters they will need to fight harder than ever, presumably because they  will be opposing a conservative government. 

James Shaw says it looks like the Greens will have six new MPs and three electorates. 

He concedes that Christopher Luxon and the National Party has won the election. 

Someone in the back is heckling, unclear who exactly they are booing…

10:00: The Green co-leaders are speaking. Marama Davidson gives an enthusiastic thanks to their supporters. 

Says their campaign “defied history”. Congratulates Tamatha Paul who is on track to win Wellington Central, crowd gives rapturous applause. 

She says Wellington Central is not a Labour stronghold anymore. Says Rongotai is another “so-called Labour stronghold” that is about to turn Green.

Says Swarbrick won Auckland Central during a red wave and will hold it through a blue wave. 

9:40: Disaster for Labour, it looks likely to lose Mount Roskill with former minister Michael Wood trailing behind National’s Carlos Cheung. This has previously been considered a safe seat for the party and Wood was dropped to the bottom of the list after his scandal. He’ll need to close a 1,600 vote margin to get back into parliament. 

9:35: One Green Party supporter tells me that Labour’s collapse is what happens when a party is given “unbridled power and does nothing with it”. Says they had the opportunity to pass progressive policies, but they didn’t and are now being punished for it.

9:30: Chloe Swarbrick is speaking with media about her (comfortable-ish) lead in Auckland Central. Sadly she’s swarmed by media and it’s very hard to hear what she’s saying! 

And Winston Peters has started speaking in Russell, thanking his party workers. He says if NZ First can help going forward, they will. The party has done the impossible, Peters says.

9:15pm Labour's Grant Robertson says it's not the result he was hoping for but all not lost yet, Eric Frykberg reports.

The Labour Party number two arrived at party headquarters a short time ago and refused to concede defeat. 

"There are still a lot of votes to be counted," he said.

"But clearly, this is not the result we were looking for."

8:40pm: Te Pati Maori is cleaning up in the electorates and is on track to win five seats in Parliament. Much better than expected results.

8:20pm: Green candidate Chloe Swarbrick has a narrow lead in Auckland Central, just 500 votes in it. Looks likely to be a nail biter.

8:15pm: National’s vote is expected to decline over the night, but it has shown no sign so far. Act looks to have won in Tāmaki with Brooke Van Velden's lead only getting wider. National leading in Te Atatu and Mt Roskill. TOP's Raf Mani way behind National in Ilam.

8pm: With 26% of the vote counted, it looks like National and Act could govern without NZ First. The two have 64 seats between them thanks to a large outperformance by National. 

7:50pm: Big buzz and lots of pink at Act Party HQ. The colour transformation is fully complete and it is no longer the yellow party. 

The result is a little weaker for them than some might’ve expected a month ago but it still seems like a win to those in the room. 

There are big cheers as Brooke Van Velden’s numbers come up — she’s winning Tāmaki by 1,400 votes with 27% counted. 

7:10pm: 

8:40pmThe first batch of votes have been counted and shows National performing better than expected. 

 

7pm: The polls have closed and the counting begins! 

Earlier in the day, there was an issue with the electronic version of the electoral roll which caused delays for some voters. This has been fixed but could cause voting to run past 7pm.

The Electoral Commission said there had been “high demand” for voting today and extra staff were brought in to manage queues at the busiest booths. 

New Zealanders cast 1.3 million votes ahead of Election Day, which was well down from the nearly 2 million early votes cast during the 2020 election and only up 140,000 from 2017.

This could suggest low voter turnout, or a high proportion of undecided voters, however an 1News poll taken in early October showed only 5% were yet to make up their minds.

Here’s where the final opinion polls ended up: 

Date

Pollster

Labour

National

Greens

Act

Te Pāti Māori

NZ First

13-Oct

Interest.co.nz average

27.6

36.0

12.7

9.7

2.6

6.2

9-Oct

1 News–Verian

28

37

14

9

2

6

8-Oct

Newshub–Reid Research

27.5

34.5

14.9

8.8

2.7

6.8

6-Oct

Guardian Essential

30.3

34

10.6

7.9

1.9

8.2

3-Oct

Taxpayers' Union–Curia

27.9

35.9

10.6

9.1

3.7

6.9

26-Sep

Talbot Mills

27

38

13

9

3.1

6.4

20-Sep

Roy Morgan

26

30.5

15

11.5

3

7.5

30-Aug

The Post–Freshwater Strategy

26

36

12

11

3

6

We wrote a story about the final polls earlier in the week, and you can read it here

Long story short: National is expected to win the most votes and be in a position to form a Government with Act and NZ First.

However, there is still plenty of uncertainty and possible plot-twists to follow. We wrote about those yesterday and will be updating you on them throughout the night.

The first update from advance votes will come through fast and may already have been added to this live blog. 

The Electoral Commission aims to have results from 50% of polling places by 10pm tonight and 95% by 11:30pm. But we’ll already have a good idea of the outcome well before then. 

Party leaders will give speeches (concession or victory or somewhere in between) at election night events later in the evening, likely from 8pm or so. We’ll have live coverage and photos.

Go put the kettle on!

The scene is quiet at the Labour Party headquarters in Lower Hutt

The scene is quiet at the spot chosen by the Labour Party to note the outcome of tonight's election count, Eric Frykberg reports.

At first, , only journalists, sound crew and Labour Party staffers can be found at the place chosen to oversee the poll, at the Lower Hutt Events Centre in Laings Road, on the edge of the CBD.

But eventually all greater Wellington MPs will be here, along with the party leader Chris Hipkins and his right hand man, Grant Robertson.

Hipkins is expected to arrive at about 9.30 pm.  Until then, he will be at home with his family in Lower Hutt, monitoring the results as they come in. 

A series of opinion polls have indicated a loss for Labour, though the margin varies. 

But there is little sign of concern about this among Labour staffers who had gathered for the occasion.   

One said she was "excited", another was "tired after working all day."

9pm up date from Eric Frykberg.

Later, about 250 Labour Party faithful remained loyal to their cause, despite trends moving against them during tonight's election count.

They filled the Lower Hutt Events Centre which was the Labour Party headquarters for election night.  

"I am still hopeful for the Labour Party," said one woman, Chris Collins.   

"I have always been a staunch Labour supporter and I still am," said another, Phil Waddington. 

"I still believe in Chris Hipkins philosophies and the way things are going."

Across the hall, people expressed hope, despite the trends, and they also expressed support for the way their party has governed the country for the past six years. 

"I am quite happy with it so far," says a fervent supporter, Callum Foothead. 

And another woman said she came here to the election headquarters out of duty, no matter what the polls were saying.

"I felt I should come here, it is something I felt I just had to do," Teresa Connor said.  

The Labour gathering.

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I think I speak for all New Zealanders when I say:

 

Thank God that's over!

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Unfortunately it’s going to take many years to repair the damage they inflicted in New Zealanders. The health, education and justice systems are all broken but most importantly our unity is broken.

They intentionally drove a wedge between our people but we will recover and may Labour never ever get into power again.

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Wedge? You couldn't fit a cigarette paper between them. Labour where tring to be National-Lite and quite open about their positioning.

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No, by unity and wedge, he means that uppity Maori should keep quiet like they used to and not scratch the conscienciousness of the average kiwi making them feel uncomfortable about our abysmal historical treatment of Maori. There fixed it for you.

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Go NACT!

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Labour-National, the centrist party that would really represent most of New Zealand.

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The coalition of mediocrity. 

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Labour striving always to achieve the lowest common denominator for equity

Labour's Failures | Spending | Division (laboursfailures.com)

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Yip. But… meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. 

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Well in reality we are a nation that is pretty mediocre, so that sounds about right.

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Lets be honest, the NZ voter has proven over decades that's what they really want.

NATOUR

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Go where?

Pretty much exactly the same place as lsbour

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No , way worst . It will be an absolute disaster for NZ. 

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Boo

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very surprised at how slow the count is, the advance count of s 30% was supposed to be started to be counted from 9am yet they are still trickling in, 

very much looks like a NACT government.  

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Polls were closing sometime after 7pm due to the earlier weather & process delays, long queues

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1.3 million already had voted and they starting counting those votes at 9am today yet an hour after the polls close 11 hours later only 1 million votes have been counted ? kinda sums up the delivery of the last governemnt

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It really doesn’t matter. Result unlikely to swing more than a fraction of a percent from here. Even after a few thousand votes the result was almost certain. 

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Bathing in the tears of r/newzealand... So refreshing! 

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R/Newzealand ain't perfect but finding joy in other's despair is despicable. 

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Diddums.  

If they are despairing that free and fair democratic elections didn't go their way after all the lecturing and condesending bullshite they've put out over the last few months they can go pound sand. 

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Labour deserve this thrashing. They have been abysmal. But National are awful

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I thought Luxon had done a very good job, what a turnaround for National since Collins. While National are not my first pick, I still prefer the current result compared to a NZF coalition. 

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Labour sitting on their hands likely did most of the heavy lifting.

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They really needed to offer an alternative tax cut. Had they matched Nationals cut but given it all to PAYE not properly investors then I reckon they had a chance. 

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Agree.

But remember, despite their party name, they don’t care about workers.

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Neither centre party does unfortunately 

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Better yet, rental market regulation.  Some day some party is going to cotton on to the fact that one-third of all NZers rent.

 

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Probably once it's over 50%. So once the boomers are dead, and their kids blow the inheritance.

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Or once the equity has been drawn down on reverse mortgages, and properties of the deceased are bundled up and sold as $2m+ package deals to overseas investors.  

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and long term a lot of New Zealanders are going to have to accept that they will always be renters

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The polls were terrible! Surely this current result is well outside the range of any of the polls. 

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Don't the pollsters still just phone landlines?  If so, it's hardly surprising they aren't accurate, given the small number of landlines that households have (I'm just repeating what more knowledgeable people than I have said in previous elections).

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You would think landline favours National and NZF. I doubt they do that now, no one has a landline do they. 

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I think it's really hard for pollsters to predict the effect of enthusiasm on turnout for each party. Suspect a lot of nat voters didn't bother on the day last time, likewise for labour voters this time. 

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Where do Labour go from here? Hipkins has been smashed, but who else in the party can lead? I honestly can’t think of anyone, only Megan Woods comes to mind and she may even lose her electorate yet. What an absolute hiding. 

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Oh Jesus you can’t be serious about MW…..

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That’s my point exactly. 

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Kieran McAnulty.

Drop the woke and get back to more traditional Labour values.

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He is gone. Looks like Michael Wood is too.  And David Parker. Most of their senior cabinet from say 12 months ago no longer exists. 

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They have 17 seats give or take 1, once its wrapped up. Most of the junk will remain.

But a few Electorate shoe-ins look to now be list MPs due to the backlash.

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Jacinda really let her party down.

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Only ever out for herself just building her CV for the ultimate failed politicians sinecure the UN. In a 2017 debate she was asked if she'd hang around as leader in opposition - she said no then.

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She recently said in her limelight-hugging tour of North America that she didn’t quit because of the stress. So another lie, or she just quit because she couldn’t bear the thought of losing?

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no different to JK , it is always better to go out as a winner rather than someone that lost, 

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Very different to JK. JK had three terms, Jacinda had two. National won the 2017 election but Winnie sided with Labour. I don’t know why people compare them?

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Also Ardern was the only one to ever get  50% of the vote in MMP.

By the way, the only 'winner' in MMP is whoever gets to be the PM and form the government. There are no trophies for most votes by a party.

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Robertson has a malevolent glint in his eye...if he keeps his place in Parliament. Parker & he would go for a wealth tax with the Greens and TPM next time...

 

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A wealth tax really is a waste of time. Many of those with all the real wealth will leave, and the upper middle class will spend all their time trying to hide what they have. The cost of trying to enforce it will be outrageous. God, imagine the industry just around trying to value some of these things. Just introduce a CGT like a normal country. Some sort of LVT will also help to alter the investment preferences of the country away from property and into more productive activity.

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A CGT will see an exodus to Australia. It's all been done before when Corporal Muldoon gouged us 66c tax in the dollar. 

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Where do they go… to hell…

absolutely put our nation back decades in all facets… drove a racial/apartheid regime and personified arrogance 

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That's the thing any self respecting MP that was any good might have a job to go too outside parliament. But the useless ones with no idea and enjoying those perks will stay put since there's nothing outside for them. Hence a race to the bottom

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NACT = interest rates higher for even longer.... ↗️

and as for our debt.... 

 

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Greens have probably won some good electorates. Chloe, Genter, Tabatha. Only won one in their entire history!

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Another big loser is ACT. Brooke has beaten her gimmie opponent, but less than 10% is well down on where they were polling.  

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two of the ACT Mps that were there last time look like they will not make it back 

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I'm bound to be criticised here, but tonight's election results suggest to me that the Maori seats are a distortion in an MMP electoral system. We are now likely to have 123 seats (plus another one following the Port Waikato by-election) in what is supposed to be only a 120 seat parliament.  Does this mean that a coalition government that does not include Te Pati Maori needs to win at least 62 seats to gain a majority? 

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Yes

The Royal Commission on proportional representation recommended that the Maori seats be gone with MMP, there being no logical franchise representation justification for continuing them.

Politicians knew better...

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Shouldn’t Maori representation be 50%? Why should it be population based? 

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Because we're not racist.

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So if Maori breed like rabbits and make up 51% of the population and force you to speak Māori, you're cool with that? Then they take away all European based land rights etc, that’s fine because it’s democratic? 
What if asians make up more than 50% of England (must be close) and then destroy English culture? That is fine because it’s democracy and having English culture in England is racist? 

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Protip NZ is MULTI CULTURAL. There is more other European cultures than people from England. NZ had more French, Croatian, German, Polish, Scotish, Irish etc immigrants than British ones. Protip there is also more cultures and ethnicities in Asia than countries you can name (Fun fact there are many ethnicities in a single Asian country as many are multicultural also). Try learning about the diverse ethnic cultures of NZ. NZ is not the sole country for any culture as every ethnicity is an immigrant to this country. We have for generations been living and having families together so families are blended, merged and celebrate many histories. We do have extensive records and evidence of how humans arriving to NZ radically changed the country, landscape and ecology, yet the advent of humans in NZ is literally less than a blink of the eye in the history of this country.

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The only race that matters in NZ is Maori because they got here first.  

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Um you are also late to the party on the england for english bit... romans, nords, normans, french, got there first. The blend of different ethnicities that make up the country and still remain have already learnt that nationality is not ethnicity or culture, and that UK as a whole celebrates many cultures within the nation. Most of which did not begin in England... most the churches for instance were foreign designed buildings but since they have been there for over a millennia they are recognized with heritage status none the less. Sure NZ has nothing to compare to that in heritage status but we still do class sites and grassy knolls as heritage to retain a reference to more recent cultural past. Not english myself but the histories of the world even for small countries is interesting even though humanity originated and migrated from elsewhere. Sadly many students in NZ grow up ignorant of much of world history.

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I think you mean the tax take from Maori should be 50% not the representation. 

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they will need 63 if all the maori seats go over, that is a distortion they only get 3% of the overall vote but get 5% of the seats

 at least national get the extra seat for port waikato, in my mind seats should be based off the party vote and its time to do away with the electorate  seats 

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I think this is where we need two houses.

Lower house = electorate MPs. Upper house = List MPs.

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Should be the other way around that way the public decide who is in the upper house not the MPs so we don't get people buying positions of power look at the US for that. 

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Whoever is in the upper house will get bought off.

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They are… and need to be abolished!

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Its not really the Maori electorates at fault but the MMP system itself. Any party can win more electorates (general or Maori) than their party vote entitles them to, and so overhang seats are needed.

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True, under the MMP system that we have here in NZ, but is there anywhere else in the world where MMP electoral systems exist that have electorate seats reserved for one specially defined group of people rather than the total population living within that electorate? 

When the Maori seats were introduced to NZ's Parliament they were designed to ensure representation of Maori in our government process (and rightly so).  However, MMP and the more inclusive society that we have has made the special need for this entirely redundant.  If not then why shouldn't we have special electorates for Indians or Chinese or farmers or women or transexuals or whatever?

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Sure. But that has nothing to do with the overhang seats.

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It has everything to do with the 'overhang seats'.  They would not occur if it wasn't for having restrictively defined electorates.  

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Perhaps 'overhang seats' should have representation in parliament but not voting rights.  If so, then in the current situation Te Pati Maori would have just their party vote percentage of 2.5% of the 120 seats as voting rights and representation in the House for the rest.

I still think it is a distortion of the "one person, one vote" concept of democracy.

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You wouldnt be saying that if it was act in the same position.

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Yes I would!

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There are electorates that aren’t restrictively defined? 

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Or perhaps every voter should have the choice of having either two party votes or, a party vote and an electorate vote. 

Now I am being intentionally silly but in effect we do have a system whereby one section of the NZ electorate is able to provide one political party parliamentary representation via special electorate seats but it gives their party vote to another party.  Yet, the intention under our MMP system is for the party vote to be the ultimate determinant for the overall distribution of seats for the various parties in parliament.

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Indians and Chinese can go back to their own country to be represented. This is the only country Māori can be represented in. If you were Maori would you be ok with your culture being destroyed after signing a treaty?

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And here you show your true colours… what a loon

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Is it really looney to think that Maori should have an equal say in Aotearoa? 

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How much of the blood is needed to count and if someone is more Chinese then their Maori side does that mean you would rather they leave the country altogether away from their birthplace & that of their home even though ALL their ancestors were relatively recent immigrants to NZ, not just the 6 gen back Chinese ones.

You racism is not only harmful it is critically hate speech which has literally caused more violence against vulnerable people and children in NZ

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Err yes.  Looney.  If you are talking Maori as a group having 50% control.

But if a Maori person as an individual has an equal say with this whitey individual.  That is great.

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While you show yours.

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There should be no maori seats...it's racist!

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Good point.  Maori seats do seem strange under MMP. 

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MMP only exists in Germany as a little man with a funny mustache ruled there so they never wanted one person to have sole power again. Other countries do neg with minor parties to get into power but still operate on one person one vote.

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Winston for Speaker...😂

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He’s a shocker alright 

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Seems we TOP voters will be drowning our sorrows.  As long as they get within striking range of 5% it will at least be motivation for next election.

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Not sure that a slim possibility of breaking 2% is going to cut it.  No chance of 5%.  I voted TOP for the third and last time this time. 

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It happened for ACT didn't it? I see TOP as having a feasible path in coming years based on the momentum they are growing now. 

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What momentum?  They have hit <3% 3 elections in a row. 

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I'll have no part of TOP until they say they'll fix land valuations and the necessary legislation to change from the way the present legislation proscribes for land valuation.

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Isnt real land valuation set by the market, which is basically set by interest rates? Is the valuation process you are referring to what councils base rate allocations on? If so how is it broken?

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The Fed was in charge of NZ before the election (not that they knew or cared), and their position has been reconfirmed for another 3 years.

For those who can, borrow and buy and await the gift of monetary policy!  Everything is fine after all!

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I thought you were a TOP voter? Raf Manji has been quite vocal about how interest rates are too high and the RBNZ needs to step back. Sole reason they didn't get my party vote.

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Yeah, I'm a TOPer.  For me it's really a vote for a bit of intellectual anarchy.  I have almost no stake in the system we have limping on, but it will of course.  Anyway, lets see what the FED does to our mortgage rates.  The Beehive is in charge of the fiddly bits around the edges.

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You have a super high stake in it, just not a lot of faith.

The FED will influence our rates when there's enough demand destruction and unemployment.

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Yes, I have minimal faith.  I'm a humble renter, so I have less at stake than most.  I've already lost.  If NZ melts I can leave with nothing to sell.

The FED is already calling the shots for now, regardless of whether they go down, up or sideways.

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Well, insomuch as we're still closely aligned to the US centric system that's prevailed since WW2.

If it's any consolation, most the alternate systems out there are far worse.

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We are lucky in New Zealand, we have our faults but there are definitely far worse places to be.

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A surprising number of people adhere to the belief that the ABs are good under a National government, and poor under Labour. 
by that logic, the ABs will win tomorrow morning 😂

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I wonder what the vote would have been if the game had been scheduled the day before elections... previously local sports failures have had significant effects on things like alcohol consumption, violence rates, crime, work attendance and political voting... It is rather liberating to not be so tied to what is a trivial competitive sport mindset. Competition is good, but unless you are playing the sport yourself picking a winning side really should have little effects on community wellbeing. It can be entertaining to watch, but to focus a life so heavily on a sports teams results (outside of gambling mindsets) seems overall futile. There is more resilience in other jobs and life events that actually require more grit & self determination to hold people in those spheres as better role models. Especially than say our current crop of players who get automatic celebrity but show really bad examples of who we could be (many being actively involved in violence, crime and drinking culture to make it more normalized in society). 

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Got that one wrong too HM

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For all the mainstream and alternate press the Freedoms Party members get for mostly being idiots or part of some sort of conspiracy soap opera, thank goodness they have been resoundingly rejected by the electorate. Just over 5k votes with ~70% counted.

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"Freedom" - pffft.  They need to read the room.

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Whoop!

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Quietly enjoying the Hosk trash talking the live feed of the Labour Party HQ concession

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Well, I'd say given the head winds that Labour were facing they've done well, National and ACT have done particularly poorly.

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You hurting much me thinks….and in the centre you’re definitely not

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No, not at all. I'm a high earner so I dont care about who is in power. Its the crony capitalism that I dont like under National.

But really 39% is a poor result given the supposed hatred for Labour. Poeple dont trust Luxon.

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he will be crying himself to sleep now he knows that his beloved national will need winston, 

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Odd. I am watching a victory speech from Chris Hopkins.

Says it all really.

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Yep the 77,000 kids out of poverty line crap yet again. Its short list of successes for Labour over 6 years and most of them cannot be verified.

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That's a huge list.  

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‘We will keep working for our working people’

yeah right, Chris

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House prices will go up 20% by Christmas?

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You better hand back those extra tax dollars he gave you then and make sure you keep ticking that Green box at next election 

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Game theory in voting pays off every time. Although regardless of the results it is always a loss for NZ and there is no guarantee on real party priorities and the back room deals for what policy actually gets through in the next term. 

We may have much like the last election significant Act leadership of many govt departments (like the Greens did this government even though Labour had clear majority), we may even have NZ first leading a department again... The deals after an election can be far more important than any election result.

Although more pseudoephedrine instead of placebo sugar pills that do nothing would be welcome relief... oddly that is one Act idea I do hope gets through. It would be best practice option in the medical profession for many patients to not have to jump through a $60 hoop just to breathe normally. I doubt though this floated idea will come to pass next term, hope but doubt. Of all the Act policies if they only got this one through the door I would not be so worried next term.

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House prices up, tax cuts for landlords, low income and those receiving benefits thrown under the bus. 
 

Inequality will become further entrenched, so crime will go up. Lucky we will be spending millions on new prisons. 

Time to abandon ship - anybody under 35 will be unable to ever buy a house except for those who come from money.
 

God save New Zealand. 

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We be fine . God save our kids and grandkids. But hey , a piddling tax cut, and more money for property owners is more important , obviously. 

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House prices and rents have gone up the most under labour governments in recent history. Why does everyone think National are the “housing party”?

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Because there is a clear difference on their actual policies around property. It's easy to see the RBNZ had the main influence in recent years. 

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And in the Helen Clark years? What excuse then?

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The Helen Clark years were the result of the unintended consequences of allowing study to residency visas that Shipley brought in late 1998.

The rise of those visa applications had a direct correlation with the rise in house prices from 2001 - 2008 when chinese and indian families realised they could buy a house for cheap in NZ for their child to live in while “studying” for their residency visa (at one of the many ESTL schools).  Once said visa was obtained, entire families were then “reunited”.  NZs complete lack of control around house values and taxes on sale made it very attractive to buy houses here. 

The covid boom was an anomaly, potentially driven by FOMO. 

 

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Fair play, I mean it’s not like Helen Clark was in a position to do anything about what the previous gov had done. oh wait…

Covid was an anomaly but the decision to include “maximum sustainable employment” to the RBNZ remit wasn’t. What effect did you think that had on interest rates?

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Not necessarily giving Helen Clark a free pass, but it's difficult to have the benefit of hindsight when a problem first rears its ugly head.

Both Key and Ardern had the benefit of hindsight re house prices, even campaigning on fixing the issue, but both failing (Ardern spectacularly).  

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Take a look at their policies then come back to me. 

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Kudos to Labour for urging landlords to revisit their rents on an annual basis. Many landlords have been too lazy too kind for too long.

 

I empathize with Hipkins, he inherited a sh*t role and is in the wrong political party. Wishing him quality time with family.

 

 Wonderful election result.

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So pretty much what we have had the last 6 yrs.

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Not the same as the last 6 years. Worse. 

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Interesting , the minor parties have completely flopped . Only Nz loyal and Top over 1 %.

the rest nowhere near. 

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Looks like the kingmaker question is going right down to the wire. National are right on the cusp of 49 seats by the looks, and the The Tai Tokerau electorate is hairs breadth between Labour and TPM, which could add another overhang seat.

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Agree.  I could be wrong, but I think celebrating too soon comes to mind.

Repeat of the 4 way "coalition of losers"?  

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Nact down to 48%. Under 5 % vote transfer will just give them 50%, maybe. 

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Remember that theres a by election in Port Waikato 25th November 

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Dp

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That National are expected to win. Tricky position for Luxon. I would say if the come out of the special votes still in the lead they will then wait until that by-election and then approach NZF in a strong position to give them a take it or leave it to them or possibly just brush them off totally.

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Great outcome for NZ !

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Will you repost the same comment whilst keeping a straight face in say a year's time? 

2024 is likely to be much tougher both globally and locally. After a year or two with Willis our country's debt will really explode. 

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Our debt will explode under Willis? Are you psychic?

If you want an example of socialist extravagance, look no further than failed boondoggles like the dopey gun buyback, Pike River, the Harbour Bridge Cycleway, 3 Waters, the Light Rail cock-up, the abandoned Income Insurance Scheme and 15,000 more civil servants. 

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Sounds like you were really suffering. Nact will address your grievances within a year - UH-Hmmmm :)

Seriously now, can you guarantee debt won't explode under Willis? If they couldn't make ends meet with their election promises, there's little hope now they're in power. Rest assured; they will be the architects of more grievances throughout next year! 

Its comical....

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You know what the definition of a socialist is? Someone who likes to spend other people's money, and ain't that the truth.

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That fits the description of a typical and naive Property Speculator rather well - perhaps yourself? They spend other people's money then whine about those in power when it goes wrong. Although I don't think Socialist has its place here. 

That aside, I can hear you popping corks from here - although, a note of caution, expecting solutions from this crowd will surely lead to its own string of disappointments over time. Don't expect too much from Willis.

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Socialism doesn't involve spending my money and the associate risks I take borrowing from the banks....socialism involves the government spending our money on boondoggles and 15,000 additional civil servants. 

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Yes a great outcome for all of New Zealand. We need actual management of the country in a time of coming crisis and the woke government are gone. Its going to be long time before Labour get back in, possibly never.

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In 9 years people will have forgotten

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I really wish they wouldn't say such cliche things like "We are going to govern for all New Zealander's" because the simple fact is they can't and won't. Adern said the same thing and look how that turned out.

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Where's TOP? Oh nowhere to be seen like what some of us thought on here but got lambasted for it by a few diehards maybe next election then don't hold your breathe

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A thorough rejection of the socialist wrecking ball. 

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So, roads, health care, education, and all those other socialist ideas are gone now? 
I didn’t realise that was National policy. 

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I was kind of thinking cycleways, no more new roads or motorways, gouging ute and petrol car owners, death duties,  capital gains taxes and billions for maoris. 

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We don't need cycleways, we need roads, to unblock NZ's biggest city, something socialists just can't seem to come to grips with. We don't want cycleways and other socialist pipe dreams, we want ROADS.

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Who do you mean by WE?

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WE...in Auckland, NZ's biggest city, where Labour got soundly thrashed. It'll teach them a lesson they won't forget for a while. 

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But roads are socialism. The same as cycle ways. 

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We......in Auckland, aren't like that bicycle-riding, attention-seeking Wellington turkey, Julie Genter. We need roads for trucks, utes, expansion, construction, buses and  commerce. 

Everyones's had enough of socialist traffic jams. 

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I’m not saying cycle lanes are good bad or otherwise. Just that they’re socialism same as roads. 
That’s the thing about socialism. It’s good when we like what’s socialised but bad when we don’t. 

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I'm old enough to remember when the government owned almost everything. The service was terrible and they'd be rude to you because they knew they could get away with it. 

Bike lanes are a pointless exercise in a city like Auckland, we need new roads, subdivisions and expansion, not high-rise blocks of Soviet flats. I'm hoping Luxon will get this country going again, because it's been a f depressing 6 years watching this great country descend into the economic abyss. 

Much of the blame can be pinned squarely on Comrade Ardern and her red fed mates. 

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Good grief , are you serious , or just trying to wind people up ?

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I'm serious. Been on the Northwest Motorway lately? If I have to navigate it I do it between the hours of 10am and 3pm, because otherwise it's very frustrating. There's even queues as far out as Kumeu. 

I went to the airport a few weeks ago at 5.30am and there was a traffic jam approaching the airport. I couldn't believe the traffic heading to Auck on the NW Motorway at 0530. People want solutions, not wretched bike lanes. 

It's no coincidence the voters of West Auckland have turned their backs on Chippo and Comrade Ardern. 

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Yes , quite regularly . We have contracts out west . Bigger snarl ups where 20 meets the southern motorway.Because they often close the southern for work at night , not much gained by waiting later , though we avoid the peaks.  

The only thing that will fix it is decent public transport . 90 % of the cars have one person in them . We normally have a trailer on , and often remark we are the only one with a trailer from west auckland to Bombay.

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No one wants wretched public transport, it would take all day to go to the supermarket. The buses come past my place and they're empty. We want roads and motorways.

And if they're smart they'd open up Whenuapai Airfield to airlines, it would cut down on a huge amount of cross-Auckland motoring, but in neanderthal NZ, that's not likely to happen. 

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There are no solutions to congestion in a busy city wingman. They don’t exist. 

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Wretched public transport? Your entitled colours are showing. Public transport is a functional necessity of any well functioning major city. New roads only delay the same problem for a period.

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The buses where I live are empty. People want the convenience of their own transport, they don't want to spend all day doing the grocery shopping. Labour are obsessed with public transport and cycleways...why do you think they've been thrashed in their traditional Auck strongholds?

I've got a modicum of sympathy for Chippo, he's been on the receiving end of years of pent-up anger at socialist interference in people's lives. Auckland's coming to a grinding halt and he's paid the price. If people want the convenience of public transport then they need to live close to the centre of the city or bus lanes.

Luxon used to be my boss, and I'm sure he's got what it takes to get the show on the road again. 

It's relief to see the country turn its back on failed policies like death and capital gains taxes. 

 

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