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Brian Easton asks whether Modern Monetary Theory is a new way of thinking about the economy or just an old way, that was problematic in the past, dressed up to appear novel?

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Brian Easton asks whether Modern Monetary Theory is a new way of thinking about the economy or just an old way, that was problematic in the past, dressed up to appear novel?
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This is a re-post of an article originally published on pundit.co.nz. It is here with permission.


As a student, I sat with one finger on Keynes’ The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money and another on Alvin Hansen’s Guide to Keynes. Keynes can be a superb stylist with pages of brilliant quotes, but he can be very difficult. In part this was because The General Theory was so pioneering, so innovative, that Keynes was struggling to explain. He was trying to establish a whole new way to think about the economy. Today we call it ‘macroeconomics’, a term not invented until 1933.

By coincidence at the same time as I was struggling with The General Theory, I was involved with forecasting the macroeconomy at the NZ Institute of Economic Research. It used a Keynesian theoretical framework but was working with a quite different economy from the one in the book. It was open with exports and imports and so it behaved quite differently from the closed economy of The General Theory. Of course Keynes knew about open economies but he was puzzling over why you could get mass unemployment in a closed economy – presumably he was thinking of the whole world. The clash between the two experiences gave me a considerable insight into the strengths and weaknesses of Keynesian economics.

At that time there was no ‘monetarism’, which sees itself as a critique of Keynesianism despite adopting much of its framework. Certainly, many of monetarism’s elements existed earlier, but the term was not coined until 1968. That meant I was following its development before it became fully fleshed out, which gave me some insights and some scepticism about it.

For instance, it was built around a notion of a quantity of money as if the notion of ‘money’ was well defined. You get this in statements like ‘The Reserve Bank should target the quantity of money’. To which it would reply, ‘which quantity of money?’ for there are many different definitions of money in a modern economy with cryptic names such as M0, M1, M2, M3 and DCE. Their measures do not correlate very well. Famously, the Bank of England economist Charles Goodhart articulated ‘Goodhart’s Law’, which says when targeting a particular monetary variable, the relationship between that variable and the rest of the economy changes, thereby frustrating the targeting.

As I recall it, when the Reserve Bank was first given its independence, there was talk of it targeting the quantity of money, but at that time the various measures of money were all over the place because of the monetary liberalisation of the time. So the RBNZ never adopted money targeting and instead operates through interest rates – something which the early monetarists denied was possible. Certainly the RBNZ Monetary Policy Committee looks at the various measures of credit in assessing the economy when it makes its decisions, but that is not targeting them any more than it is targeting any of the host of the other economic variables it looks at.

In the 86 years since the publication of The General Theory there have been a host of developments in the Keynesian framework, including by economists who are at the monetarist end of the spectrum. The variety gets quite bewildering.

A recent one has been Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) which is popular among those who are not economists but largely dismissed by the economics profession. When I looked at it, I found it sounded eerily like the account of the economy I learned about in The General Theory and was subject to all its strengths and weaknesses. ‘Modern’ appears to be a misnomer (unless 86-year-olds are ‘modern’).

In particular the theory describes a closed economy without exports and imports, ignoring that while a country may control its own currency, holders of the currency may want to exchange their domestic currency for foreign currency. New Zealanders don’t want just New Zealand dollars but they also want American dollars to pay for imports of goods and services.

Some versions of MMT model introduce an external sector by claiming that a floating exchange rate regime resolves the theory’s limitations. It does not because such a regime has capital flows which foul up internal monetary arrangements. Indeed, in the short term capital flows drive the exchange rate more than the current account of goods and services. (I made a similar mistake when I first studied Keynesian economics; so did the Treasury in its 1984 post-election briefing.)

It is possible to think of MMT not as a theory of the economy, so much as a policy prescription of how to manage the economy. In particular it rejects the Austrian policies which focus on austerity, often at the expense of public wellbeing. But so do may economists who are not support MMT. In fact Austerianism is losing any popularity it had – even within the policy community.

There is a kernel of truth in the MMT description, although it is not original. Once one gets over the notion that there is a particular thing called money – and that there is a special quantity of it one should target – macroeconomic policy should be concerned about getting the right monetary conditions.

That last phrase is simpler than the task it sets. Economies – especially open economies – are much more complex than the theories which are taught at the elementary level, although those theories need to be mastered as a foundation for tackling the complex issues. The complexity is the reason why the Reserve Bank has a Monetary Policy Committee rather than just operating a rigid rule. And why it sometimes makes mistakes ...

It would make bigger mistakes if it were to use incomplete theories like Modern Monetary Theory.

The column is taking a holiday until the end of January.


*Brian Easton, an independent scholar, is an economist, social statistician, public policy analyst and historian. He was the Listener economic columnist from 1978 to 2014. This is a re-post of an article originally published on pundit.co.nz. It is here with permission.

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You cannot print your way to Happiness.

 

Roughly speaking, we need a wealth destruction event that’s equivalent to the 2008-2009 Great Financial Crisis just to get the ratio of wealth to GDP back to pre-pandemic levels.

As a people, you can’t be a lot richer than your economy grows without stealing that wealth from someone else.

Maybe it’s stolen (sorry, I mean extracted or taxed or traded for) from people in other countries through colonial terms of trade. Maybe it’s stolen (sorry, I mean pulled forward) from future people in your own country through artificially low interest rates, monetized debt-driven stimulus, and an increasingly levered financial system supporting increasingly non-productive mal-investment.

None of these things – a fiat currency, fiscal flexibility with the ability to take on substantial debt, an autonomous central bank with wide-ranging authority over monetary policy and financial system regulation – are at odds with the basic idea that our wealth as a people should grow hand in hand with the growth of our economy.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

 

 

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A good article.

MMT always appears to rationalise itself with the old story:

A rich tourist is driving thru town.
He stops at the motel and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
As soon as the man walks upstairs, the owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill at the feed store.The guy at the Farmer’s Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her services on credit.
She, in a flash rushes to the motel and pays off her room bill with the motel owner.
The motel proprietor now places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything.At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100 bill, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money & leaves. … no one produced anything…and no one earned anything…however the whole town is out of debt and is looking to the future with much optimism.

But I'm sure we'll have someone along any tic of the clock to explain to us why that isn't so.

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You don't need the traveler!

 

For example, if the participants to the transaction simply hold hands and agree to each discharge their debt to the relevant individual to the tune of $100 (or some other larger or smaller number) the outcome will be identical.

 

The string of so-called transactions doesn't generate any economic activity, it merely deflates the balance sheets of the individuals involved. It doesn't change their collective net worth as in both instances, each participant loses an asset (the debt from another) at the same time as they discharge a liability (the debt to another).

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A better description here of how spending chains operate. http://www.matchesinthedark.uk/spending-chains-sankey-diagrams/

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Wow, only academics could think large amounts of printed money ending up as savings would have no effect on inflation and to bold the sentence "All bank credit sums to zero." missing the point of broad money affecting inflation.

If ever there was an article to show MMT really is just a statists' fantasy where the government gets to pick winners and losers.

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Where do you suppose that our net savings come from? Certainly not bank debt. What is government debt but the private sectors savings of the governments currency. Bank credit nets to zero for private sector savings as assets and liabilities created are of an equal value. I don't see anywhere in the article that mentions picking winners and losers. , it only shows how money can flow through the economy and can be taxed away or saved.

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The problem is that when money is taxed, it isn't just raked into a big pile and burned. When money is saved, it isn't just squirrelled away waiting for someone to come along and withdraw it. In both cases it is still being used as money, in one way or another.

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Money sitting in bank deposits isn't used for anything as banks don't lent it out, it just earns interest. Savings create financial stability in the economy as they allow households to save for emergencies, house deposits and retirement for instance. Taxation does in effect burn up money as it just cancelled.

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In what world does having a large amount of extra savings that the normal economy would not have allocated to you (that's observable to everyone as a whole) not be inflationary. How do you keep the savings in the bank?

Any time there is shortage you can just dip into the savings and price goes up or any time you don't feel like working you can just take unpaid leave because your wage looks much smaller compared to your savings. It could also be use as collateral for a loan and many other things.

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The majority of bank deposits are created by the banks through their lending and these represent somebody's savings but they are also somebody else's debt and so the private sector does not increase its net savings. When bank loans are repaid this money disappears from the economy again. Only government budget deficits can create net private savings for households. Individuals spending their savings are unlikely to have an effect on inflation but the central bank lowering interest rates to encourage borrowing will certainly affect things such as house prices but people generally don't spend more than to meet their daily requirements and will save any excess income.

This article shows how budget deficits affect private savings. https://theconversation.com/how-government-deficits-fund-private-saving…

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I disagree that the majority of bank deposits come from bank lending. I suggest they come from savings by wage earners and investors. They do form part of the capital banks require to support their lending though.

I also suggests banks do not and cannot remove money from the economy any more than a saver does by not spending it. Only central banks can remove money from the economy. Private banks claim deposits as working capital and profits. That capital is used to support their business and the profits are distributed to shareholders as dividends.

Great link to the article - thanks.

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The Bank of England tells us here that the majority of our money is created by the banks when issuing loans and that lending creates new bank deposits. They also tell us that the money is cancelled again as the loan is repaid.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/money-creati…

 

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Another good article - thanks. i see where you're coming from. This also points to where the Governmental failure to properly regulate the banks comes in. A part of the problem is the difference/definition of credit/money. Perhaps you could point me to a 'official' one? My view, and I have made an error in some of my discussions here, has been that the bank actually issues credit, not money. That would also mean that my $10k in the bank is a credit balance, not real 'money'. It only become real when I spend it. Either way the terms must essentially become interchangeable. It is also overly simplistic to argue that banks destroy money when those loans are repaid. The problem is that when a bank makes a loan, creating the money as a deposit, that money circulates for a while in the economy before the loan is fully repaid. That 'while' could easily be decades, and if there are enough loans over that period, the influence on the economy could be significant. Plus more than the initial loan is repaid, interest is paid too, so when the bank creates a loan, it effectively creates more money than just the loan balance. That extra money would not be destroyed when the loan is repaid. An important component in this is what the loan's purpose is. If through it's use it creates further economic activity that supports trade and employment, that should be good for the economy. But, as has been demonstrated lately if it doesn't - such as just going into housing, then big problems can arise.

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adding to that above, if a banks loan portfolio is predominately into areas that doesn't create further economic activity (housing for example) then there is possibly the significant risk that they could seriously undermine the value of the currency, and create significant harm to the economy and country as a whole.

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while i don't agree fully with Treadlightly, I suggest he has most of it right. 

Where do the 'extra savings' come from if not the normal economy? And why would they be 'extra'? And why do you think any savings in a bank are inflationary? Inflation is caused by factors other than savings. plus the reasoning you're applying is tending to be extremist. If I have $10k in savings, that doesn't allow me to take unpaid leave. It just provides a small pool for an emergency. Your assumptions to support your logic are too extreme and when you pull them back your logic breaks down. 

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This is petty but: "If I have $10k in savings [instead of none*], that doesn't allow me to take unpaid leave."

Explain this one to me. Sure you don't technically need money, I guess. There are easier examples of why deposits are inflationary than this.

* You would not have the government printed money they gave to you and others for "free" though they may tax everyone a bit more

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You utterly miss the point of my comment. The problem with your assumptions is that you are suggesting the money i have is just "given" to me. There seems to be no apparent understanding that the money I have is the result of the 'normal economy', i.e. I earned it by trading my labour for it, and am sufficiently economic with what I earn that I can save a little. You do not explain why deposits are inflationary. Deposits in themselves are not being spent. But they do form part of a bank's capital for its loan books. How and where the banks loan money may be inflationary, but that is a different issue.

Yes the Government does issue currency to enable the economy to function, and it uses the RBNZ to distribute it, through Government spending. And while I would agree that the Government has and is failing in its responsibility to manage the amount of money in the economy by failing to adequately regulate the private banks.

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Go read the article so you have a clue what's being discussed. We are discussing MMT so its about a hypothetical.

The author definitely wants to print money to give poor people and everyone else savings. We are discussing the differences in a counterfactual not simply how the real world works. Tell me about how Helicopter money is not inflationary its the same thing as they want to do.

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MMT is not hypothetical and its not about helicopter money, for the main part it is just describing how NZs monetary system already works at the present time. 

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Applications of MMT a that involve changes in policy are hypothetical. Sure, at MMT's core it's a grossly simplistic interpretation of how some of the money and equivalents flow around the nation (and less so the rest of the world) but once you try using this interpretation to change things or propose applying it it's very hypothetical.

I guess, if you believe MMT is a perfect model of everything ,then sure, it's confusing to call it hypothetical. None of this stuff has been tried before.

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Tim you're not arguing as if it's a hypothetical.

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This seems over you head Murray. MMT is an established alternative ideology, if you want to read up on it (Tread and others have links). When I ridicule some absurd ideas from the article that have never been tried before, we started discussing a hypothetical.

The authorities do not require you to have an opinion on this topic, there's nothing to defend here.

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Done a lot of reading in the last couple of days thanks to being pointed at a few articles. Most of your discussion is on semantics. The biggest shift with MMT is about Government spending and taxation.

MMT recognises the rights of the sovereign owner of a currency to create money as and when it requires and the ability to direct those funds where needed. This changes the entire reasoning behind taxation, enabling a sea change to the taxation models that are applied today, and the messages to business's and individuals. This doesn't provide a government licence to print money without restraint or consequences, but does allow them to fully fund any project that would return an economic benefit to the country.

Make no mistake though, MMT would also recognise that it is the Government's responsibility to manage the amount of money flowing through the economy. Too much and inflation occurs and the currency value is undermined, too little and the economy would grind to a stop. This requires the government to constrain the commercial banks from creating maney, and recent history also teaches us that these banks should also be regulated as to how they distribute that money.  

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When you repay a loan or pay taxes, the money is absolutely destroyed (unless you pay in cash). When a bank lends you money or the govt spends from the Crown Settlement Account, new money is created. This is not contentious.

What Govt does is keep score of the money spent and money taxed back - you can basically see this score on the D10 and D12 datasets at RBNZ (the Crown Settlement Account). 

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Do we have or need net private savings/equity? (I'm sure there's and RBNZ stats page for this but its not the point) Would we notice if we did/n't?

Bank's create deposits (or other money equivalents) when they make debt and total money and velocity determine inflation (debt is completely ignored). Who cares what the net value is?

When you print money for spending to stimulate the economy you are choosing a location and people to favour. The author wants to use this money to fix "inequality of MPS in the system" creating a heap of inflation to help "Penny and Peter (the two poor people)" and they they get to decide who to tax to get the inflation out again.There are safeguards to prevent this fantasy from getting out of control when they have to tax with spending.

Edit: I think I missed explaining the point: The authors problem is not that there are not excess savings but that the wrong people get the savings. Which, I think, is just an excuse to express their fantasy of seizing control of the economy.

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MMT certainly recognises debt as important, its orthodox economists who ignore it and that's why they never see a financial crisis coming. MMT does not say that taxation is not important it just gives a different purpose for it.

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"You don't need the traveller!"

That's the point (i think). The government's interference solves none of the fundamentals of the economy.

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If the traveller had stayed, the motelier would have kept the hundie, and as he spent it, the whole economy the hundie was involved in would have benefitted by the $100 being added to their economy. As mentioned nothing was added. A really good argument for buying Kiwi products from Kiwi owned shops, instead of benefitting foreigners' economies. 

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The conclusions this story comes to are wrong.

no one produced anything

The butcher produced a ham. The pig farmer produced a pig. And so on.

…and no one earned anything

If the butcher bought the pig for $100, butchered it, and then sold the ham to the motel owner for $100, then no, he didn't earn anything. But that wouldn't make any sense. No economy works like that. One can only assume that the price of the ham was more than $100 and the motel owner was $100 short. In that case money did in fact change hands, and the butcher would have made a profit.

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Yes. All the participants would have had money owing and owed to and from many others as well, but the amounts these ones owed each other just happened to be $100 each. It could have been for part of the pig, and for more feed than went on the pig sold to the butcher. Not sure about his bill with the prostitute. Probably the only one exactly equalling service provided and money paid.And more than one bed night at the motel, for example. So the example is riddled with obvious simple flaws. MMT is real easy to shoot down, in a number of ways.

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What you are discussing is no more MMT than orthodox economics and you cannot shoot down reality anyway.

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however the whole town is out of debt and is looking to the future with much optimism.

This makes it sound like everyone is better off but that's not true, all participants in the story had a financial position of $0 to start off with, each owed $100 but each was also owed $100 = equity of $0, the $100 going around in a circle has not changed anything at all.

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This is a static scenario where each one's receivables is offset by the payables. But no economy is static. Things have to keep moving, otherwise it is dead. If for many days, no one comes to stay in the motel and if that is the only catalyst for getting that village economy moving, then it would die soon. 
After eveyone's debt is wiped out, what happens then ?
Do they live happily ever after ? 

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This only works as long as no one is charging interest and/or inflation is 0, I think?

 

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No. With inflation everyone puts their prices up to exactly equal each other's bills again. No change!

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That cannot be guaranteed.

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This is a static scenario where each one's receivables is offset by the payables. But no economy is static. Things have to keep moving, otherwise it is dead. If for many days, no one comes to stay in the motel and if that is the only catalyst for getting that village economy moving, then it would die soon. 
After eveyone's debt is wiped out, what happens then ?
Do they live happily ever after ? 

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This is just another critique of MMT from an orthodox economist who should be examining his own beliefs and those of his colleagues.There is much more than a "kernal of truth" to MMT as it is almost entirely a description of how NZs monetary system operates unlike orthodox economics which gets almost everything wrong.  

Orthodox economists who believe that the government is a just user of currency which is created out of economic activity and is then financed through a combination of taxation and borrowing and who also believe that banks are just intermediaries of loanable funds rather than as creators of money as bank deposits.

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Treads I don't have an issue with MMT as to how it describes how the monetary system works. I do have an issue with what it seems to imply about the superiority of the Anglosphere's monetary system though. I know you use Japan as a poster child for MMT and the lack of any inflationary crisis. But we know that the Japan pvte sector will not borrow and spend like drunken sailors and we know that Japan is still a creditior nation. So "arguably" they still believe in living within their means so to speak. 

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There is no superiority in the way that we rely on monetary policy I think. It works out very well for the banks though.

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There is no superiority in the way that we rely on monetary policy I think. It works out very well for the banks though.

I think there is an issue with the superiority mindset. MMT is based around the idea that sovereign currency nations cannot go broke. Nevertheless, we are taught the virtues of 'living within our means' as individuals, h'holds and firms. However this does not seem to apply to the ruling elite when they determine they're acting in our interests.     

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MMT doesn't believe in the efficacy of monetary policy and this is where the "ruling elite" gain the most through asset price appreciation and which is not even taxed. They don't want the government involved in the economy as it reduces their options for making money.  

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MMT does say we need to live within our means - it recognises the limit for public spending is not being unable to fund it (for a sovereign currency issuing country). Rather the limit is whether there are real resources to purchase. (edited by changing 'able' to 'unable')

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Under the (very) short-lived reign of Truss/Kwarteng, didn't the UK attempt to follow the central theme of MMT-as i understand it- and just print a lot more money?

As a sovereign nation with its own currency, there shouldn't have been a problem, but they quickly found that the global bond market thought differently. As James Carvill once said, he wanted to come back as the bond market because then you can intimidate everybody.

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If you study MMT then you will learn why the bond vigilantes have no real control over governments with sovereign currencies, the power is always with the central bank. Japan has very high levels of government debt and yet it has been able to maintain its interest rates at very low levels. Governments don't need to issue debt in the first place as they can just pay interest on reserves, issuing bonds is just corporate welfare for the finance industry as economist Bill Mitchell describes it.  

The issuing of bonds has nothing to do with financing a governments spending as it must create currency through its own spending before it can borrow it back again. it makes no logical sense to think that a government can borrow back its own currency and then spend it twice over.

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treadlightly,

If you study MMT then you will learn why the bond vigilantes have no real control over governments with sovereign currencies, the power is always with the central bank. 

You can assert that, but I don't think the evidence supports that. In Japan's case, the reason it can have such a high debt/GDP ratio is that most of its borrowing comes from domestic sources, thus depriving the bond market of its power. That was not the cse with the UK or many other markets. What do you think would happen here, if the RB tried to do the same thing?

 

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It is tempting to attempt to distinguish Japan and its monetary system, including its central bank. How else can one explain the UK ‘fiscal event’ except as confirmation of the power of the 'bond vigilantes'? (Japan is ‘different’) No. A better framing is that the chaos of the fiscal event reflected bond markets not subject to any yield curve control policy or volatility constraint. As soon as the Bank of England announced its gilt market operation on 28 September (before it even started the purchase operation) and decided to introduce some control, bond prices started driving up and yields down. And this played out until order was reinstated. So, yes, Japan might be different in the policy choices it makes in operating its monetary system, but, the institutions underpinning it are exactly the same as those underpinning the NZ, UK, and Aus equivalents.

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What is fascinating here is that Brian completely ignores the Gold Standard. Currency values were underpinned by the gold standard until 1971 when Richard Nixon threw it out. That standard was crucial as it dictated the total amount of currency the US could have available, and hence every other currency of the signatories who pinned their currency value to the US$. Brian starts a discussion with this; "For instance, it was built around a notion of a quantity of money as if the notion of ‘money’ was well defined. You get this in statements like ‘The Reserve Bank should target the quantity of money’..... " But then goes onto deride the concept. But prior to 1971 the quantity of money was clearly defined. He does not provide any discussion at all as to why there are many types of 'money' in a modern economy. I would expect that this would be a crucial aspect as this must be what would underpin the value of any currency. I would expect that one dollar under any definition would be the equivalent of one dollar under any other. 

Or is he presenting a bankers perspective where bank control of an economy is what the goal is?

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We all ignore the Gold Standard - because it is not longer relevant, which is one of the basic tenants of MMT - a sovereign nation can print as much money as it requires - as long as inflation, productivity, economic capacity, employment etc allow it. If you don't have those under control, printing money leads to excess inflation. What is more incredible is that conventional economists think that unemployment is required to resolve an economic crisis. Sounds like lazy thinking to me.

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I agree re unemployment. That is based on the expectation of growth, and ignores that continuous growth cannot occur in a finite system. 

I would suggest that the entire school of thought needs to change towards regression and shrinking. Climate change is a loud warning bell, but the root problem is not even discussed - too much population. When we acknowledge this and start working towards population decline, change our economic models to establish standards of efficient living at a high standard, and looking at improving technology to ensure that the environment is less adversely impacted by our presence, then we might have a hope of succeeding.

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Most critics of MMT seem to think that it involves having no limit on government expenditure, uncovered by taxation. However most MMTers regard inflation as a limiting factor on MMT. Taxation, in their view, is a means of controlling inflation rather than a means of paying for government expenditure. Apart from that most economist see banks as creating money anyway so, if we wish to be consistent, we should also allow the government to spend by issuing fiat money also. In the days of fractional reserve banking the Chicago School advocated imposing a 100% reserve ratio on the banks and placing all money creation in the hands of government.

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MMT also believes that the government should target full employment through a job guarantee as unemployment is corrosive to society and creates social problems that outweigh the costs of reducing it and that it can also help to smooth out the business cycle. The availability of resources is the limiting factor for government spending and not how much money it can tax and borrow as Brian Easton and his mates would have us believe.

If only orthodox economists new how little regard MMT economists hold for them and their "fake knowledge".  

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Brian, I admire much of your work, but this is a really bad faith article! I am no MMT fan boy, but I know enough about the literature to know that you have not read it.

For example, on imports and exports, MMT economists like Steven Hail, Fadhel Khaboub, etc talk at length and in detail about the importance of capital flows, and trade balances. And, I have lost count of the times that MMT economists have said that MMT is *not* a policy prescription. The only thing in the framework that could be considered a policy is a job guarantee that is posited as a better automatic stabiliser than NAIRU. 

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100%. I was expecting some straw men and was not disappointed. A policy prescription? Relevant only to a closed economy? Get over money in the macroeconomy? This is the neoclassical lens that can’t deal with (and so ignores) endogenous money per the BoE 2014 article.

Treadlightly is right on the money with all of his comments/ corrections, but for a one-stop-shop MMT 101 and plain-English unpicking of the usual straw-man arguments, see this interest article from a couple of years back. Starting point is that MMT is a lens, not a policy prescription or political philosophy.

And Jfoe, mate, you might not be ‘an MMT fan boy’ (whatever that means), but I would say you’re one of the biggest exponents of MMT/ PK principles on this website - alongside Tread and myself, obviously 😆

Merry Christmas, all

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