By Bernard Hickey
Europe is in a financial mess that it can't seem to dig itself out of, despite a couple of years of trying.
It seems to be getting worse by the day. Now it's affecting growth in Europe and driving financial markets in America and elsewhere.
This rolling series of crises in Europe's bond markets and banking systems begs 10 questions for New Zealanders that I'll try to answer.
1. How did Europe's financial system get into such a mess?
It's been brewing for a while.
The eurozone was launched with much fanfare in 1999 as a way to improve trade and strengthen the economies of the European Union. It started off with the core countries of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, The Netherlands, Portugal, Ireland, Luxembourg and Ireland. Greece joined in 2001, Slovenia joined in 2001, Cyprus and Malta joined in 2008, Slovakia joined in 2009 and Estonia joined this year. Interestingly, Sweden, Britain and Denmark have not joined the Eurozone, but are still members of the European Union with their own currencies.
The Eurozone economies all dropped their own monetary policies and currencies and adopted a single currency (the euro) and central bank (the European Central Bank ECB) ). For many economies, including Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain (PIGS), this meant their interest rates fell towards lower German and French levels and their banks could borrow money much more cheaply and easily from elsewhere in Europe, and in the United States. See more on the Eurozone here at the ECB site.
For a long time everyone was happy. After 1999 they partied like it was...well... 1999.
The Southern European countries were (mostly) thrilled because they could borrow much more cheaply than before and it was (slightly) easier to trade with other countries in Europe because they had the same currencies. The Northern European countries were happy (mostly) because they could export their surpluses to Southern Europe and make some nice money on the side lending to the Southern Europeans to buy these exports.
In many ways Germany took on the Chinese role of providing the vendor finance for Greek, Irish, Portugese and Spanish consumers to buy the BMWs, VWs and Audis they thought they deserved. Germany was able to run current account surpluses and export its products and savings to Southern Europe. Germany's currency was weaker than it would have been if it had kept the Deutschemark.
Germany's role inside the European monetary zone has been very similar to the Chinese role inside the interconnected China-US monetary zone. Germany and China lent the money to Greek and American consumers to buy German and Chinese exports.
This is all fine of course until the debt builds up to a level where people begin to wonder of the borrower can keep servicing all these debts they are building up. Essentially, the Global Financial Crisis has been the moment when these current account imbalances and debt mountains have built up to such large mountains that they have collapsed on themselves.
The whole idea of the euro zone was that the various countries inside Europe would use measures other than their currencies and interest rates to adjust their economies to imbalances within the euro zone. The idea was that Greeks and Spaniards and Portugese would change its labour laws or their wages or productivity to become more competitive, rather than let currencies and interest rates do the work.
The trouble is these internal changes never happened and this was reflected in massive government deficits in many of these Southern European economies (often near 10% of GDP). Europe realised this was a risk early on and set non-binding targets for budget deficits (no more than 3% of GDP), which everyone promptly ignored or cheated on. Initially governments were treated very similarly by bond market investors until they realised the laggards such as Greece were either failing to meet the targets or outright fudging their figures. This created the risks of defaults.
This surge in borrowing costs for the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain) relative to the core Eurozone economies (Germany and France) has been the outward sign of problems in the Eurozone and the mechanism by which investors can 'vote with their feet' about the laggards inside Europe. This week Greece's one year government bond yield hit 89% (!).
2. So what did the European governments do about it?
Initially, they sat on their hands and hoped it would go away. Then they told the Greeks and Portugese and Irish to get their budgets in order. This didn't work, partly because all this was happening as the Global Financial Crisis was happening, which slowed economic growth and worsened the problem.
Then, when the Greek situation got especially painful, they had a whip-around in mid 2010 and pledged some money to help the Greeks get back towards surplus. They had hoped this would be enough to stop a 'contagion' of concerns about sovereign debt spreading to Ireland, Portugal and, ultimately Spain.
Needless to say, this didn't work. It turned out the Greeks are a bunch of massive tax avoiders and the Greek economy has failed dismally to even try to catch up with the improvement in competitiveness that Germany had achieved through the 1990s. The Germans suppressed their wage growth and invested in machines and infrastructure through the 1990s and 2000s to make themselves more competitive. They were a bit like the Chinese. The Germans saved and invested, rather than borrowed and consumed. Sound familiar? (By the way, this is exactly what New Zealand didn't do...)
Then the Irish banking system and government accounts blew up, mostly because Ireland's banks borrowed madly from German, French and British banks during the naughty oughties, and then the government stupidly guaranteed the deposits and bonds held by those banks.
Many New Zealanders might remember that first week of October 2008 when then Prime Minister Helen Clark launched her re-election campgain with an announcement that New Zealand would guarantee the deposits in finance companies and banks. This followed a similar pledge by Australia, which followed similar guarantees in Europe triggered by the Irish government's bank guarantee. The Irish have an awful lot to answer for. (Read Fintan O'Toole's excellent book 'Ship of Fools' if you want to see the technicolour version of Ireland's corruption, greed and stupidity over this period).
People thought things had settled down in late 2010, but it turned out it was the calm before the storm. A series of sovereign debt crises have cascaded back and forth across Southern Europe and Ireland this year. The Irish are on their second bailout. Greece has had two bailouts and Portugal has had one. Or is it two. I forget.
Things started to get really serious when it became clear the contagion had spread to Spain and then Italy. The Italian government debt, which is the third biggest in the world behind Japan's and America's, is the big Kahuna. In the increasingly stressed world of European sovereign debt, Italy really is too big to fail. That's why there's so much concern about Silvio Berlusconi spending too much time doing bunga bunga and not enough time fixing Italy's slow-growing economy.
A few weeks ago there were serious worries about France's banks when rumours surfaced of a sovereign credit rating downgrade and one big French bank tried to raise a big chunk of money from a US hedge fund. Dumb idea. It just made everyone very nervous.
3. So why is this a problem for the European banks?
The Northern European banks had a ball between 1999 and 2008 lending money to each other, the Southern European banks and the Southern European governments. For a long time they thought this was just as safe as lending to the German or French governments. Also a dumb idea.
Now these bonds from the PIGS are trading at yields much higher than German and French bond yields, which means they are worth much less on a bank's books. Remember, when bond yields rise that means their prices fall because they are fixed interest securities. The outgoing CEO of Deutsche Bank said this week if these bonds were 'marked to market' then many European banks would be wiped out.
This is the problem. Over the last two years this slump in bond prices has weakened many of these European banks. This has made them increasingly nervous about lending to each other. They're not quite sure about how many of these toxic bonds are held in the other banks they are lending to.
And they've also realised just how interconnected they have become. This graphic below (courtesy of the New York Times) explains it well. The great thing about the Eurozone is that it made it very easy for banks to lend across borders to each other. The appalling thing about the Eurozone is that trying to pull this spaghetti of funding lines apart is a messy exercise.
This has also made American banks and money market funds nervous about lending to European banks. Essentially, US money markets have stopped lending to European banks. This has stressed everyone out in recent weeks and forced them to take drastic action, including borrowing from the European Central Bank.
This graphic shows how the various countries in Europe have lent to each other. Have a good look at it to get an idea of how this set of dominos could fall. Your mind will boggle and your head will hurt.
4. So what is the European Central Bank doing about it?
Initially the ECB didn't do much and hoped it would go away. They left it to the European politicians to fix it. The ECB helped organise some pretty useless stress tests (which assumed there would be no European government bond defaults) and sat on the sidelines.
The ECB seemed so relaxed it actually started putting rates up in April and July to control inflationary pressures. This made the situation in Southern Europe worse.
In the last couple of months the ECB has been dragged kicking and screaming into the centre of things because it is one of the few coherent institutions in Europe able to do things quickly. When Europe's banks stopped lending to each other and the US money market funds stopped lending to the European banks a few weeks ago the ECB stepped in as the lender of last resort.
Many believe the ECB is basically single-handedly holding up the European banking system with its balance sheet. See more here at the NYTimes on that.
The ECB's role expanded dramatically last month when it jumped in to buy Italian and Spanish bonds holus bolus to try to drive their prices back up and their yields down. It felt it had to act because Europe's governments were either pfaffing around on holiday or too busy bickering to do anything about it.
5. So why don't the Northern European governments just come up with a big honking bailout fund to save everyone?
The first attempt at building such a fund was pretty meagre and was the least they could get away with at the time. Earlier this year they had to increase the size of the fund known as the European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF), but it's now seen as too small to save the Italians and the Spanish. It's currently worth around 750 billion euros, but most people think it needs to be 3 trillion euros or more to be credible. See more detail here at the EFSF site.
The various European governments, which means mainly the Germans and the French, were able to cobble together the first versions of the fund relatively easily.
But each time they had to go back to their parliaments and voters to top it up the political heat has grown. The Germans, in particular, are becoming very grumpy about having to keep bailing out those 'lazy' Greeks and Portugese. If the Germans thought about it for a moment they'd realise that all they're doing is helping a creditor work through a tough time so they can keep borrowing from the bank (ie the German and French banks). It's the old saying that a small debt is the borrower's problem. A really big debt is the bank's problem. The PIGS have really big debts and they are now the German and French banks' problem.
However, the politics of all these bailouts is turning very toxic. The Germans were always nervous about giving up their strong Deutsche Mark for the Euro and exchanging their inflation-fighting Bundesbank for the ECB. Conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel is also instinctively against such bailouts and lately she has been losing lots of local elections to anti-bailout politicians. She suffered more local election defeats over the weekend. There have been similar revolts in Finland and France.
6. So why don't the Eurozone governments agree on a common fiscal policy?
This is the problem at the heart of the Eurozone. It has a common monetary policy with the same short term interest rates and the same currency. But it has a plethora of governments with all sorts of different taxes, welfare systems, labour laws and budget deficit outlooks.
Many believe the ultimate solution is for the Eurozone governments to issue a common Eurozone government bond. This would mean governments would have to agree on taxation policies and spending policies. Can you imagine it? It would be like the Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard flying into Wellington and telling New Zealand it needed to agree to a carbon tax and a much higher income tax rate. That's several cups of cold sick going down a few gullets right there.
The common European fiscal policy is not going to happen easily. Already there are major protests in Greece and Italy about how the 'Germans' are forcing them to raise taxes (Italy is currently debating whether to put its GST up to 21% (!) ), sell off assets, slash state sector jobs and slice pay rates (Irish civil servant pay has been cut by more than 15%).
If the Eurozone is to work, it must have a common monetary policy, a common fiscal policy and, ultimately, the same labour laws and social policies. Some believe, secretly and not so secretly, that this was the plan all along: a United States of Europe (USE). (Mwah, hah, hah, hah...) The architects of the Eurozone actually called for just such a thing last week. See more here from Reuters on former German Chancellor Gerhard Shroeder's call for a USE on Sunday.
7. So how might this all end for the Europeans?
It's not looking good for a happy ending. Many, many people are now seriously talking about some form of Eurozone break-up. The speculation about the exact form of a break-up is endless.
The Greeks could opt out of the Euro and go back to the Drachma, but this is a lot easier to say than to do. Such an exit would immediately destroy Greece's banks and trigger a massive devaluation. There would be bank runs. There would not be orderly queues at the ATMS. (Some are quietly saying that bank runs have already started in Greece. Greeks are regularly arrested at the borders lugging out suitcases of cash. Deposit boxes are out of stock in Athens....)
This financial mayhem would cascade through the rest of Europe's banking system. UBS has estimated any country that leaves the Eurozone would see their GDP fall as much as 50% in the immediate year or two afterwards. See more on that here at FTAlphaville.
Another suggestion is that either (or both) Germany and France would pull out of the Eurozone to avoid having to bail out the rest. The whole thing would implode if this happened. UBS reminded everyone in the note mentioned above that wars and massive social upheavals have followed such currency dissolutions in Europe in the past. Hmmm.
There is the possibility that Europe's leaders could pull it all out of the fire at the last minute. This would require some sort of vast bailout fund created by the French and Germans. There are some doubts about whether the French in particular could afford it, and it would also require the Germans to keep growing their economy reasonably strongly. That requires China and the United States to also be growing and buying German exports at the same time. Neither is a sure thing. In recent weeks the prospects for such non-Eurozone growth have worsened too.
Meanwhile, the ECB will have to keep buying the PIIGS bonds hand over fist while keeping interest rates near 0% and potentially printing a lot more money. It will have to do it over the dead bodies of the inflation fighting Germans at the Bundesbank and a bunch of very grumpy central bankers elsewhere. This week the Swiss National Bank pledged to print money for Africa and buy euros to try to force the franc down to some reasonable level so its export sector might live for a while longer. It worked for one day.
Panicked investors and depositers in Europe are fleeing across the border into Switzerland and buying francs as a safe haven currency. The Swiss National Bank's actions indicate just how stressed the system has become. See more here in this NYTimes graphic to see how ugly European money markets are.
The unintended consequences of all those 'solutions' referred to above boggle the mind.
8. So why should New Zealanders care about European financial mayhem?
Some might say this is all irrelevant for New Zealand.
Our economy is now firmly tied to Australia and Asia. Countries in the EU bought just 11% or NZ$5.2 billion of our total merchandise exports of NZ$46.2 billion in the year to July. Exports to Australia, China, the USA, Japan and Korea totalled NZ$25 billion or 54% of our exports over the same period.
The trouble is that economies, financial markets and banking systems in Europe, Asia and America are now broadly interconnected. When banks fall over in Europe, the Americans get worried. When the American economy slows down the Chinese get worried. It's impossible to ignore what's happening in Europe. It will all wash up on our shores eventually, either through our financial markets, our banking systems, or through our ports and airports.
Rinse and repeat.
9. But how exactly will it wash up on our shores and when?
There's a couple of different mechanisms. Our banks rely on hot international money markets (funding for less than 90 days through 'Commercial Paper' issuance) for about a third of their funding, either from non-resident banks or in foreign currency form. See more detail here in the RBNZ stats. That's better than it was before the Global Financial Crisis, but it's still a lot and leaves us vulnerable to ructions on global markets.
The IMF, the OECD and the ratings agencies have warned us repeatedly about this vulnerability to 'hot' money markets freezing up in periods of stress. The Reserve Bank helped tide our banks over and cope during late 2008 and early 2009 by creating a special lending facility. Since then the Reserve Bank has encouraged the banks to find more stable and more local forms of funding. But there's still a signficant vulnerability.
The more unstable these international money markets become, the more expensive it becomes for our banks to roll over these foreign debts. See the interactive chart below for a one measure of this financial market nevousness and cost. The chart shows the Credit Default Swap spreads for Australasian corporates, which is mostly the Australian banks. The 'extra' costs to roll over foreign bank debt rose to over 150 basis points (1.5%) in the crisis that followed the collapse of Lehman Bros. These costs dropped down well below 1% early this year, but they've been rising quite sharply in recent months.
Those extra costs are eventually reflected in more expensive mortgage rates (relative to the Official Cash Rate) and business lending rates in New Zealand.
At the same time a slowdown in Europe's economy will depress demand for New Zealand's exports and for long-haul tourism. Companies such as Tourism Holdings, which rents out camper vans to British and European tourists, has really struggled in the last couple of years. It will also eventually flow through into slower growth for China (and therefore Australia) as Europe is a major export market for China.
Luckily for us, our banks aren't closely connected at all to the European banks stuck in the middle of this mess. The one European bank that does operate in a substantial way here, Rabobank, has a AAA credit rating and much, much stronger capital than other European banks. It is seen as one of the top 10 safest banks in the world. See more here in Gareth Vaughan's article last week.
But a collapse of any sort of the European banking system would have indirect consequences here. We've already seen it through the various receiverships of finance companies (Strategic Finance, Hanover Finance) that were linked to the withdrawal of support or funding by Bank of Scotland (now part of the UK government controlled Lloyds HBOS), which had lent heavily in property finance in New Zealand before the Global Financial crisis.
10. So what are the trigger points and events New Zealanders should look for?
In the end the European crisis is all about politics.
If German voters were happy then Germany would keep bailing everybody out. But they're not and they keep telling Merkel every time they get a chance. The next German Federal elections are not until September or October 2013.
Before then the key moments will be political decisions by Merkel and her governing coalition. Most believe any more German bailouts, ECB money printing, a move to fiscal union, any sort of German-backed eurozone bond or any sort of United States of Europe talk are seen as political poison. There will be endless summits and crisis meetings. There's already been plenty.
French voters could also revolt against bailouts or a move towards a United States of Europe. The far right leader Marine Le Pen (daughter of Jean Marie) has said the Euro should die a natural death. She is currently leading in the opinion polls ahead of next year's French Presidential election. See more here at Business Insider.
Far right and far left anti-euro movements are growing heads of steam all across Europe, fueled by high unemployment, budget austerity and all sorts of stresses around migration and multi-culturalism. Many are now rightly saying European voters should not have to pay to bail out a bunch of privately held banks (and their bonused-up bankers). It's a toxic brew.
The next set of elections to watch is in Denmark on September 15 where a left-leaning coalition is expected to win and impose a financial transactions tax. France and Germany have already indicated they they want one of these 'Robin Hood' taxes. EU leader Barroso is was campaigning in Australia for Julia Gillard's support for such a tax. If Australia adopts one we'll have little choice but to follow.
Then there's the riots, strikes and the fall of governments outside of elections. Riots in Greece are commonplace. There is a general strike happening in Italy this week.
Even this week the German Constitutional Court was watched closely because it could have blocked the already woefully inadequate bailout fund. In the end it didn't block it, although it said the German parliament (rather than just the government) must approve any changes. See more here at Blooomberg.
Then there's the Finnish side deal with Greece over its bailout package...and talk that Ireland is downgrading its growth forecast...and a fresh vote of (no) confidence in the Italian senate over Silvio Berlusconi's latest austerity plan....
You get the picture.
Watch this space.
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"Greek salad" followed by "Spaghetti bolognese"
Thank you Bernard for an extensive financial report on Europe. Hopefully your wife & kids understand your time bothering about others problems too.
Sudeep Singh in an interview with Bloomberg has a very good point. He is a hedge fund manager with extensive experience in trading currencies in emerging markets.
http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2010/04/must-split-euro-into-two-classes-europe.html
A. Merkel says the same - split the Euro - an option ?:
http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2010/11/21/greek-newspaper-merkels-plans-to-split-euro-into-two/
Where does the money come from – just to pay what we destroy ?
I personally think the point where humanity is capable of solving worldwide problems has already passed. We will enter a new phase. Riots and turmoil on many places are going to be daily occurrences – events difficult to control.
Most governments are concentrating on efforts trying to solve economic and financial affairs often leading into bizarre and costly outcomes only. As a consequence in desperation political decisions will erupt into many kind of wars, destroying not only trades, globalisation and security, but also freedom, cooperation and friendships among countries- societies at risk.
In addition and very much underestimated natural disasters, climate change and environmental damage and its consequences, cause societies not only suffering, but enormous costs.
Under consideration of these worldwide developments accumulating and accelerating, New Zealand need urgently open debates in order to reform its policies in the best interest of our society.
The fate of Greece, which has had to implement draconian cuts to qualify for the bailouts, has prompted the Spanish government to seek approval for a constitutional reform capping future budget deficits.
Opponents of the proposal again took to the streets in their thousands on Tuesday but senators were almost certain to endorse the reform later in the day.
…yeah and for dessert a Portuguese "Bolo de Bolacha Maria" - and use 2 lemons.
Greece or Portugal would lose up to 50% of their national income if they quit the euro, according to research by analysts at Swiss investment bank UBS.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/sep/06/quitting-euro-greece-portugal-ubs
Aren't you glad now, Bernard, that Bill English was borrowing all those extra billons over the last couple of months as fast as his chubby little digits could count the money? We of course need the cash on hand to pay for Christchurch and SCF (thanks for nothing, Paddy) and all our other odds and sods. Thank God most of the finance companies had collapsed before the GFC and the Govt. guarantee. Could you imagine, Bernard, the situation we as a country would be in now if they had of collapsed after the Govt. guarantee was put in place by the Labour Govt. and the bill for that was added to Christchurch and the leaky homes. How much would that be in total now? $30 – 35 billion? 40B?
One thing I would be very interested to get from you, Bernard, is your take on where and how the UK fits in to all of this mess? It of course is in financial difficulties itself, but there was no mention of what it is doing (or its obligations) to try and resolve the situation in Europe. It must have some role by virtue of the size of its economy wrt to the rest of Europe. I believe it has helped to prop up some of Ireland’s banks?
I remember back in Margaret Thatcher's day when she would accuse the Europeans of effectively bludging off Britain as the ratio of Britain’s contribution to the EU's coffers was far in excess of those of other EU countries. Didn’t she just unilaterally chop Briton’s contribution back at one stage?? They of course despised her for it. Has British, largely Tory scepticism on Europe in actual fact been proven right, and has in turn saved the UK taxpayer from considerable cost?
David B
Many thanks. I've shuddered a few times at the thought of all the rest of the finance companies still being alive at October 2008. The bill would have been an extra NZ$2-3 billion.
I'm no fan of the eurozone. And for that reason I'm no fan of a single Trans-Tasman currency.
Britain was right to stay out.
cheers
Bernard
Simple soul that I am , I cannot understand why governments around the world are bending over backwards to protect bondholders , as indeed the National government did , to bail out SCF debenture holders in NZ .......
....... Why are bondholders such a precious species , that we're willing to endure years of austerity , rather than just give them a haircut ..... meebee 50 % off ...
50 % off , a quick painful cut .... and , after a year or two , life goes on . Us stockmarket investors accept volatility and risk with reasonable good grace , why are bondies so tetchy !
...... Hasn't the Japanese two decade recession taught us anything ?
Yes Roger you are right - Japanese women like bald dudes.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100528085900AAOiKgQ
I'm just wondering, Gummy, if it's because a lot of bonds are actually held by Govts. and pension funds and the like. Under those circumstances any haircut is quite likely to have major electoral ramifications for the politicians concerned. But you do raise a very valid point. Rather than just saying to the Greeks and the Irish, take a 20% pay cut; why not also say to the borrowers you have to take a 20% cut too for being so stupid to lend them so much money in the first place.
To me the only way we are going to get out of this debt situation is that we are going to have to socialise the losses as widely as possible, so it then becomes affordable for each individual and country to pay. Of course the other side of that coin is that some pretty strict and tight regulations will need to govern future borrowings by individuals, corporations and nations so that we avoid getting in to this stupid mess again. Maybe we need a Financial UN to set and monitor the rules?
"maybe we need a financial UN". Yeah David awesome idea , you just might get that thouh only it wont work out how you think.
Socialization of the fraudulent debt will of course continue, regulatory reform will NOT happen.
Do you even understand how the bank fraud was committed ? I didn't see BH reference exactly how Greece &'Ireland etc got layed out with deriveratives pumped onto govt books via their local banks courtesy of the defunct US baking system, well they are all central bank bros anyway eh!
Interesting no mention of Iceland in the article , that I saw.
Someone mentioned Uk banks & Ireland , yes for example while working at Lloyds Bank saw they have about $140bn exposure to Ireland , and Lloyds Banking Group is taxpayer propped up along with every other major UK bank, and of course the US gang of 6 banks who propogated the fraud to Europe et al!
From John Mauldin , we have this summation of what is wrong with the EU :
There are just 66 words in the Lord's prayer
179 words in the 10 commandments
The Gettsyburg address contained a mere 286 words
And the US Declaration of Indendence ? ........ only 1300 words
........ but easily topping them all , at a hefty 26 911 words , is the EU regulations on the sale of cabbages !
.. [ .. and we wonder why Angela Merkel is such a sauerkraut !.. ]
Nothing to do with nous bro , and the uk will default at some stage too. The game is dominoes , the debts can never , never be paid back by any of the countries who owe the banks. Let me repeat that , not ever can the debts be paid back. Nous you say, nah bro , fraud!
Yeah Lloyd it seems that the pollies are ever-increasingly desperate to prop things up as they realise and admit to themselves that the dominoes are all set up and ready to go and oonce it starts they will be powerless
As we've seen before, the powder keg gets primed and ready to go, all it takes is one unpredictable event and all of a sudden, its all on. I don't profess to know what that event will be, but its all ready to go. Just hurry up and wait
Read this excellent report on state of UK (though written from a right-leaning perspective). It's only a matter of time before it goes the same way as Greece...
http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documents/strategyinsights/Tim_Morgan_Report_007.pdf
Also, Bernard, wondering if you can give some advice on what will happen to NZ borrowing rates if the worst should happen i.e. end of euro, collapse of USD. I would be expecting the cost of borrowing to rise sharply, yes? Does that mean in the near future it would be better to lock in long term rates even though they are very expensive at present? What will happen to short term rates? Thanks
Totally awesome photos in that report !
.... Gummy's take on the Euro is that is was a failed concept from the outset . And it probably will be disbanded , but may remain active for longer than we think , as certain countries ( Germany particularly ) have used it successfully to strengthen their economies , at the expense of the weak and small ( i.e. Greece ) .. . A " bugger thy neighbour " mercantilist approach .
.... and given the size of the stimulus packages in America , China , and Europe .... inflation will rise eventually . The master plan of governments is to pay off debts by debasing the currency ... a tax by stealth , to rob the spending power of the savers .
So , guess where interest rates are gonna go ! ... Getcha telescope or your binoculars .. and look up , really really a long way up , keep looking up ... now wait ,... wait for it .. .. interest rates will spring into view any moment now ...
Im not sure anyone knows for sure...inextremis if NZ is perceived as a safe place to park $s then wholesale rates might actually drop....
If you see hyper-inflation then I suppose the rates right now look tempting, personally I see a depression and the rates will stay low or even drop.....OCR <2% seems likely IMHO....Even if we carryon staggering as we are now an OCR of 4.5% seems the highest likely.....For myself Im watching the US core inflation rate....if that starts to rise then NZ's probably will as well some months later....but its stagnant or dropping right now......
regards
Pinkorchid
My view for what it's worth is that a global downturn and markets slump will see interest rates lowered and suppressed for a long time, Japanese style.
http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/55192/opinion-bernard-hickey-details-…-
cheers
Bernard
In my view, until they do what Nigel Farage advocates.. then things will get worse.. No real creditor can trust Greece ... nor Italy.. these countries do not have the will nor the ability to address their debt issues..
Things will get worse..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLoliIpR-X0&list=FLRirsoybDp3b_6dI9aExKig&index=9&feature=plpp
Thanks for the link Roelof, here's another priceless clip from Farange:
'Who the Hell Do You Think You Are?' Nigel Farage throws egg in Eurocrat facesNever Mind the Bollocks..!...................http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026840/European-debt-summit-Germany-using-financial-crisis-conquer-Europe.html
Worth a read even if you just flick through the headers...note the piece on warnings to those who would see a return of the deutsche mark.....eh..?.......http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/euro_crisis/
Now here's some thing you really might be interested in Bernard....from the horses mouth
check out the statements in regulartory future proofing...... http://www.delaus.ec.europa.eu/newzealand/whats_new/2009/NZIIASpeech.htm
Very good piece Bernard.
There is a vicious circle developing in some countries ( notably Greece ) where the austerity and other measures required to meet the ECB requirements will make the budget position worse not better and voters simply wont allow them to be implemented. Greeks have probably already given up on the euro which will be why they are getting their euros into cash or depositing them outside the Greek banking system. They dont want to be left with Drachmas worth about 50% of the euro in purchasing power. Bad money driving out good and must be affecting consumption and employment.
The only way out for the Greeks is to have a currency that allows them to compete and attract tourists. We will probably see what happens when the dominoes start to topple quite soon.
Thank you Bernard for the time you have clearly put in to writing this article; it explains so much.
I've been a regulat reader for a long time but only more recently have joined the conversation.
A little aside. It's not often I fully agree with GBH...
Simple soul that I am , I cannot understand why governments around the world are bending over backwards to protect bondholders , as indeed the National government did , to bail out SCF debenture holders in NZ .......
....... Why are bondholders such a precious species , that we're willing to endure years of austerity , rather than just give them a haircut ..... meebee 50 % off ...
--- but I've long resented that I'm (as a taxpayer) paying for leaky buildings, finance company bailouts and under-resourced insurance companies.Through the 90's I kept my money in the bank. Now I'm having to help those who looked for quick profits, untaxed capital gains etc.
It's not often that I fully agree with GBH either . But I do on this occassion ..... . I resent the socialisation of losses too . ......
........ What'd I do , that I should bail out those people who were reckless ? ...... why has that become my problem ?
And what of the moral hazard , what message is the government sending to finance companies & to investors !
Well the danger is at the moment, gummy, that the losses will be socialised, but only partially so. There’ll be a partial socialisation of all the losses to the taxpayer.
What I have in mind is a full socialisation to not only the taxpayer, but also to the banks, the bond holders, and the borrowers. My view is that if China and Japan lose $200 bn on those 2 trillon of bonds or whatever it is they hold well tough titties. They can take one for the team. And if the banks don’t make a profit for the next couple of years, so be it. If Greece and Ireland go through a decade of lean times as they pay back billons in loans, well that’s just too bad for them isn’t it?
Yes you are right there is a moral hazard in bailing out this type of behaviour. And that needs to be dealt very firmly with in the future. But there’s also a moral hazard in not doing enough (or even anything) that ends up making the situation far worse so that everybody suffers more than they otherwise needed to. But it’s all academic really isn’t it. We know the Europeans will cock it up. They always do.
NEWS FLASH - There has been no attempt to change behaviour in the banking system over the past 3 years, at what point do you feel this might change David?
If a country is bankrupted by fraud, whay should the people of that country or anyone else in the world have to pay for the fraud they had nothing to do with?
Still so many people just don't understand what is going on in the system or where it is being manipulated to go...monopoly, won't lead to a great result for most people will it?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/europe-inching-towards-fiscal-union-2011…
Monopoly , what a great game for the world eh. Hey , sure why can't those who caused the worlds financial problems provide the solution, it's worked out great so far. Check the narratives of civil war etc coming this time from UBS if the euro were to break down. Have we not heard that BS from bankers before? Short memories I guess , people love to be scared though so will probably think it's a good idea.
Because it is what it is Lloyd. The first thing we have to do is to figure a way out of this mess, and that may mean doing some things that are otherwise unacceptable. Of course fraud or not, no-one held a gun at Greece’s and Ireland’s head and said, you must take these loans on or else. So you cannot divorce the reality of that from the situation, the culpability of each nation in its own demise. Each nation was a willing partner in taking on these derivatives. And no doubt each nation derived some benefit from these loans in the early stages of them as well. So I don’t think it’s entirely correct to say that they are completely innocent victims of fraud here. And while you can correctly argue that the population of those countries had nothing to do with it, I don’t think you can also argue that they derived no benefits from it, and therefore it’s wholly unfair to expect them to pay anything back. It’s entirely fair to expect them to pay something back.
The UN was established after WWI and WWII as we all well know to try and stop another war from happening. I think we definitely need another global institution that attends to the financial sphere in a similar vein, i.e., to stop another mess like this from happening again. And yes I agree with you, no where near enough has been done to overhaul the global financial system to make it safer, more transparent, more accountable and more regulated. Biological and chemical weapons are outlawed by international treaty, maybe it’s time we started to outlaw certain financial instruments?
David you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and I will show why in another reply to this.
The UN are failing then if that was there reason for being set up eh, wars everywhere since they were set up, but I can tell you that reason has nothing to do with anything! Until you can see the situations for what they really are then you will continue to fail to why you are wrong. You seem to accept that fraud is "what it is", my god man how foolish is that to say!
Many of the countries had no idea the toxic loans were being taken on board, in the case of Greece see
http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/15633195
Here he is covering his arse, and reason for the riots in Greece are because the Greek people now know they have been fraudulently ripped off, and the austerity is almost entirely being put on them, and their country sold off from under their feet when it was nothing to do with the people, by and large.
Your arguments simply do not stand up, and I suggest you go away read a lot, then see if your attempts to find solutions are any different, because currently you are barking up the wrong tree.
Try Bob Chapman www.theinternationalforecaster.com and Webster Tarpley, www.tarpley.net ; you can get lots from their web sites, and also from you tube.
The only way out of the mess is for people to put enormous pressure on their paid off politicians and force them to act in the interests of the sovereign countries they are privileged to serve! Anything short of this shows apathy & ignorance beyond belief!
David it makes no difference to me if I have lost you or not, because you like to use the words "conspiracey theory" to validate all the geopolitical & financial mess in the world & to make it magically disappear, or that it can fix itself or be fixed by those who caused the problems.
Myself I am not in BS on either side so read as much as I can across the spectrums in order to get as close as I believe I can to understand the reasons for what is happening & why. I have provided you with valid information, reasoning, links and names of research material, if you want to pick out a couple of words to label and blow off, that's up to you!
If people like to use labels such as conspiracy theories to attempt to validate their ignorance & lazyness, that is their business!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=avhfZfkuB3T0
An explanation of how the fraud works ;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21245
Here is some Greek Prime Minster (paid for) fraud David - 4.30 minute mark is particularly relevant, however I would advise you watch the entire clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcZEdNqdyg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
“Paid off politicians”. I'm just not into conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. Their thinking is far too inflexible."
I agree, also I work on the principle that stupidity beats planning and sense everytime when politics and personal outcomes are involved...
"Paid off" no, I agree, far more likely is they took the "easiest" option because any other option would have cost them votes.....can kicking has been going on for 50 years and the voter ignores this....they/we get what they/we deserve as far as I am concerned.
regards
What I find rediclulous about your replies Steven is that when it comes to your own points of view/pet topics, you fiercly defend your position even under some dubious, and highly debateable information, but when it comes to being provided with diferent topics/views, you seem all too comfortable with blowing it off as "convenient" or something else. The same applies to David B, who seems it hard to accept the world of finance is almost completely a manipulated farce!
You can believe it to be what you like, but the stink of corruption (pay offs of any type at all, Blair to JP Morgan etc) is all too strong!
Head back in the sand again, there's a good chap.
Itr is fair enough to be paying for leaky homes to the extent that the underlying cause was inadequate government regulation and that the houseowner relied on building regulations being up to it.
Although, on second thoughts, it might be better to directly invoice the natioal party mp who was the minister responsible (and add in the finance minister and the prime minister for the hell of it).
Much of the World's financial woes are because of the desire for less regulation. All that meant was that banks could run riot, and as GBH says, (paraphrased)we now have the socialisation of the losses.
Hopefully people will remember leaky buildings or financial meltdown next time there is a clamour for less regulation. But I wont hold my breath.
The regualtions were relaxed/changed at the behest of professionals and not just the Pollies....but the voter allowed it....so the voter is quite entitled to pay [some of] the cost IMHO....maybe then the voter will think twice when a National Pollie says things are in-efficient and we need less regulation....etc etc....
Pay now or pay later, your choice.
regards
Thanks for an excellent analysis of Europes woes and how they have developed. It certainly joined up some of the dots for me. I'm also troubled by the fact these financial problems are occurring at a time when the costs of climate-related extreme events are increasing year by year, placing an additional burden on already stressed economies. One has only to look at the analyses by Munich Re to see the trends from 1980 to the present. And much closer to home we are all experiencing the extra burden placed on our economy by the series of unexpected but natural earthquakes in Christchurch-not to mention those who are most directly affected. So i suspect that the prognosis outlined in your excellent articie may even be too conservative .
Thumbs up to you BH! Clear and concise.
As you stated the pollies are going to solve this....not. The shinny suited bankers and bond holders should take the haircut...'all off, but leave the eyebrows'. Actually quite a fashionable look around the swanky cafe scene in Europe.
Problem, contagion effect through to the great unwashed mases.... Hmmmm? Don't worry they will fall into line, like they always do?....maybe not this time.
Parky continues to work hard on building that social credit base of voter support..1200 at last count...one day he will accept the best way forward is to encourage people to stop borrowing the credit that comes with interest to pay....such a simple answer however would not bring a return to the wonderful days when Labour first ruled...
"...where Social Credit cross-over with the International Labour Movements founding ideals of issuing non interest bearing public credit to fund infrastructure and build assets as they did 33,000 State Houses at cheapest possible cost, I most definitely agree."
So what.!....you continue to believe there are special upstanding citizens and systems that would prevent the rorting that comes with handing said credit creation over to politicians...that is the serious problem you cannot sort out...
The second problem with your theory of credit supply concerns the unintended consequences.....which you dismiss because you have no answer. In simple terms for you Parky...the infrastructure likely to be selected by the mob with the power to create the credit to fund it...would divert materials from investments that would produce real employment...you fail utterly to understand this important point.
The third massive problem with your concept of credit creation without interest costs in the hands of upstanding honest politicians, is the reaction you would get from the rest of the financial world, especially from any entity likely to be looking at investments in NZ....
Three areas where your theory fails...one two three!
And here's the latest indication of division in Europe. The ECB's chief economist resignecd over the weekend because he objected to the ECB's bond buying.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/11/us-eurozone-germany-idUSTRE78A27L20110911
cheers
Bernard
Yes indeed..Bernard....objection coupled with tactical avoidance of The Faecal Fan of Fate.......while looking like a don't stand so close to me moment..of Grand Principals..? it may also have a bit to do with spite at being overlooked for the top jobs once too often.....watch for political connections to show any open sympathy for his position and it may well gather momentum.....
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/09/idINIndia-59249220110909
The problems in Europe are just beginning, anyone following the markets tonight
09.09 Traders and analysts are assessing this morning's bloodbath.Simon Denham, CEO at Capital Spreads, says:
It’s not a pretty start to the week with a sea of red hitting traders screens this morning, in particular the French market which is being absolutely battered. France’s Cac index has now breached its lows from August and is only 15% or so off the lows it formed back in March 2009 following the last banking crisis (to compare against the FTSE, it is over 30% off the same lows). Note I say “the last banking crisis” as the current situation could almost be placed in the same category with the eurozone crisis continuing to worsen day by day.
09.05 In July, European bank stress tests showed that RBS had €1.15bn of net sovereign debt exposure to Greece, while Barclays had €93m, HSBC €919m and Lloyds no exposure.
09.00 In Germany, Commerzbank is down 7.84pc, while Deutsche Bankhas fallen 7.43pc, while Italy's biggest bank, Unicredit is down 6.69pc and Intesa Sanpaolo has fallen 5.26pc - and not even a ringfence in sight.
08.50 For this reason, banking shares across Europe have been hit hard this morning.
BNP Paribas in France is down 11.1pc at €26.50, while Credit Agricole is down 10.8pc at €4.822 and Societe Generale is 10.4pc lower at €15.63
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8720479/Debt-crisis-…
My sister was telling me in an email today that she is quite worried about the banks' position and regrets not having bought a place with her savings yet. She's looking at doing that some time next year so hopes they won't have all collapsed by then!
As for stocks on the Paris Stock Exchange, I'd say my dad regrets not following our advice to get out of the stock market a few months back (one that was 70Euros before the 2008 crisis and had then recovered to nearly 60Euros 18 months ago is now down to 25Euros, ouch). Ah well, it's just money...
Matt, the most likely scenario around DSK was that he was looking like getting elected ahead of the much despised (by his own people) ,Sarkozy during the next elections.
Not saying that DSK was a decent human being, but I think the fact the charges were dropped, and he is now not any threat to Sarkozy (puppet), because of course the mud sticks.
Plenty on the subject if you search it...
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