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Key, Parker both wary of NZ's private debt; Key says controlling public debt will keep mortgage rates down, Parker eyes private savings, CGT

Key, Parker both wary of NZ's private debt; Key says controlling public debt will keep mortgage rates down, Parker eyes private savings, CGT

Prime Minister John Key and Labour Party finance spokesman David Parker appeared to be singing from the same song-sheet Tuesday morning, both noting the problem with New Zealand's debt composition was the level of private debt in the economy.

But the two have different solutions to the problem.

Key maintained National's focus on controlling public sector debt, saying this would help protect private debt holders against the possibility of higher interest rates if rating agencies downgraded New Zealand's credit rating due to its overall debt levels.

Parker pushed Labour's election 2011 policies: A capital gains tax on property investment, and a forced increase in private sector savings through vehicles like KiwiSaver to build up a domestic pool of capital.

Control public debt

Speaking on TV3's Firstline programme, Key defended the government's position to focus on its own debt profile - public debt.

“Whenever you borrow money you have to repay that. And you have to repay that with interest. What happens when you build a big enough stock of debt is, that over time, more and more of your taxpayer dollars goes on paying the bankers and their interest, and not paying for things that you actually want – education, health, law and order," Key said.

The government had taken an orderly stance over its budgets, having run a deficit reflecting the affects of the global financial crisis, and costs stemming from the Christchurch earthquakes.

“There’s no question it’s the right thing to do, to balance the books. In the end, if you spend more than you earn, it’s called Greece,” Key said.

When credit rating agencies looked at New Zealand, what they liked about the country’s debt figures was the strength of the government accounts.

“What they don’t like is the level of private sector debt.”

“There’s hundreds of billions of dollars worth of private sector debt there. That’s what backs up your house mortgage, your borrowing against your buildings or your business," Key said.

“If, at the end of the day, if we’re not careful as a government, then ultimately that leads to a lower credit rating, and, over time, leads to higher interest rates," he said.

“So there’s no free lunch here. It is quite a direct impost on the home-owner if we don’t get this right.”

Control private debt

In a Budget-week speech in Auckland, Parker said while the government kept talking about the risk of ending up like Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal, the debt problems in those countries stemmed from their public debt, whereas in New Zealand private debt was the worse of the two.

He continued Labour's focus on New Zealand's current account deficit.

"Government debt here is low, in no small part because the last Labour government ran large budget surpluses year after year. Labour's philosophy was to save in a time of plenty to have reserves for the bad times. Unpopular at the time, but recent history shows it was wise," Parker said on Tuesday morning.

"Even though this government will limp back to surplus by 2014/15, that won’t cure our fundamental problems. Labour would get to surplus in the same year too. But under National what problems will New Zealand continue to have?

"Our creditworthiness was downgraded at the end of last year, largely because of the outlook for our external deficit," Parker said.

"Treasury, the Reserve Bank and the IMF all predict New Zealand will keep spending more than we earn overseas. This means more borrowing, more debt, and more asset sales to foreign buyers," he said.

New Zealand had run four decades of external deficits with the rest of the world, and in that time had nearly lost all local ownership of its financial sector.

A large part of the reason New Zealand was in its current situation was because of the entrenched orthodoxies in tax and savings settings, and monetary policy, Parker said.

A government needed to be bold and introduce a capital gains tax, Parker said. More also needed to be spent on private sector research and development.

Private sector savings also needed to rise to increase the pool of domestic capital.

"New Zealanders – young and old - need better savings for their own security, to buy their own homes and to have a better standard of living in retirement. Our exporters need the capital," Parker said.

"That’s one of the benefits of the improvements to KiwiSaver which Labour proposed last year. Labour started KiwiSaver and we wanted to take it further by enrolling all employees in a universal savings scheme, with limited opt outs," he said. See Labour's election 2011 KiwiSaver policy on our policy pages here.

"Australia, after all, has deep pools of savings capital and they are strengthening their savings scheme - from 9% of income to 12% in less than a decade," Parker said.

"Access to that capital is one reason the Australian economy performs better than ours. Its investors come over here and buy our companies, and their international investment position is stronger than ours," he said.

'Broaden the monetary policy target away from just inflation'

Parker noted Labour's policy to change New Zealand's monetary policy stance from just targeting inflation to also incorporating more targets like export sector growth, and that more be done to try and limit exchange rate volatility.

"Around the world other countries are competing to increase their exports too and the dominant players are manipulating their exchange rates," he said.

"The USA is printing money, in part to deflate its dollar as it competes against the Chinese renminbi, which is set at a low rate despite enormous trade surpluses. Germany too has run huge trade surpluses on the back of a euro held down by a currency union that has slaughtered exporters in other parts of Europe. The Swiss spent billions to curb the overvaluation of their currency.

"Competitive devaluation is alive in the world," he said.

But New Zealand operated monetary policy as if the history of the last two decades didn’t happen.

"Our Reserve Bank Act was written in a time when the main economic threat was inflation," Parker said.

"But is there anyone who believes it is still a more desperate economic scourge today than New Zealand’s total overseas debt? Worse than our persistent under-performance in export growth? More of a problem than our slide down the OECD rankings? You don’t have to be soft on price stability to recognise that we have other problems to solve," he said.

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Capital gains tax do not often stop bankers lending on property, look at Oz, seems more a feast for tax lawyers and the like.

 

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Private debt is NZds economic big white elephant in the room, Keys trying to supress interest rates but admits NZ Government can't control.

 

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This focus of Key's on doing anything to keep interest rates down is very much "Protect those who got into debt over their heads, whatever the cost.  The savers of course can of course get stuffed."  So what message does that give to an already over-indebted economy? 

 

 

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Meanwhile the NZ property market is on the up and up as people continue to borrow to fund the un affordable thanks to the lowest interest rates in years and 95% borrowing:)

With cost of living going up, world economies contracting whilst waiting for the inevtiable demise of the Euro crises ... gasp.

Key and Bollard are fighting a loosing battle. Defies logic really and simply won't work? We should be reducing private debt along with public and promoting export earning investments more.

One comforting statement by Key for the debt slaves thou that it all has to be paid back, poor buggers:(

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Ireland is a good example but not for the reasons used by these two. Ireland's public debt was lower than New Zealand's until they were forced to assume the banks private sector debt. That is the risk for NZ not the government debt per se hence the need to do whatever it takes to keep the residential and rural property market inflated to protect the banking system.

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.. until they were forced to assume the banks private sector debt.

 

But in that sense - who would "force" NZ to assume such debt?  Do we not have a bit more economic sovereignty than Ireland?  Are we not more like Iceland? 

 

Political will/intent not withstanding, of course - as given our current dear leader I don't necessarily think he'll back the the maintenance of sovereignty in such a crisis.

 

 

 

 

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You would hope we would do an Iceland or Argentina. My preference would be Keen's jubilee - big lump sum to everyone with compulsory debt repayment, avoiding moral hazard issue for those with no or little debt.

The pressure on NZ would be enomous to accept IMF loans and conditions to make the banks lenders whole again. I'd expect overt or covert trade sanctions etc if we didn't accept

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It is the politicians job to "play for the big banks" to some degree because voters want to keep spending more than they earn.

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WOW , arent we lucky we dont have a  Labour Government in power . Its seems that Labour MP's , like Parker are so far out of touch with reality its quite astonishing .

Has this man ever had to earn his own income ( ie not on a salary)  

For his information :

1) Most Kiwi's are battling to make ends meet and Parker is proposing more taxes a' la CGT 

2) He seems to want a move from a floating currency to a managed currency which he would devalue . Can you imagine what inputs such as petrol and diesel would cost if we had a substantially weaker $  

3) He suggests that our weak export growth is attributable to something the Government can fix with a magic wand . Well he is probably opposed to mining , and  more commercial fishing , and more intensive dairy farming and any other thing which we have have some vague or real competitive advantage , so exactly how does he propose to increase export growth ?

4) From an histroical perspective , the unintended consquences of fixing or managing your exchange rate are well known to New Zealanders . Where has this man been ? 

 

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I could hardly disagree with you more. The current account deficit over 4 decades is exactly equal to our loss of ownership of pretty much anything useful in New Zealand; either through direct sales, or mortgaging to the hilt.  On your specific points:

1) Many kiwis are battling, although probably not those who would end up paying a CGT- although I am not especially a fan of such a tax, or think it will solve the world. Even though many are battling, collectively we are spending $300 million a week more on overseas goods and services (including interest and dividends on all the things we've sold or mortgaged). The good news is that with a lowewr curremncy we would actually use our own goods and services more, rather than buying them overseas.

2) The US, the UK, China, Europe, Switzerland, and many other countries are actively managing down their currencies. It is not hard to do. It is harder to manage them up, even though Bollard tries to keep ours as high as he can, killing our exporters, and guaranteeing a deficit. Yes the price of imported goods would rise a little, although evidence elsewhere, is that generally the rise is not proportionate to the currency drop. Our own exporters and import substituters would benefit from increased trade.

3) There are many ways. The currency devaluation would be a good start. Countries like Singapore show how an active government can promote very competitive and scaleable businesses. Am not sure whether Labour has that in mind. Most companies here with any scale are not in fact NZ companies.

4) The unintended consequence of freely floating our currency with zero management or controls is that we collectively own nothing.

Labour seem willing to address the issue. The Nats are hoping that most people don't understand, or that we baby boomers are too selfish to care.

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