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Clear climate warning; US consumer expectations rise; China's CPI tame but PPI very high; exports strong for Taiwan and Germany; UST 10yr 1.32%, oil dips again and gold slumps again; NZ$1 = 70 USc; TWI-5 = 73.2

Clear climate warning; US consumer expectations rise; China's CPI tame but PPI very high; exports strong for Taiwan and Germany; UST 10yr 1.32%, oil dips again and gold slumps again; NZ$1 = 70 USc; TWI-5 = 73.2

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand with news the American middle classes are expecting significantly higher pay and higher costs in 2021.

But we start today noting the IPCC's latest peer-reviewed update, which says there’s already enough greenhouse gas in the air to heat the planet by +1.5°C - which is thought to be a climate tipping point. For New Zealand (page 150), they forecast more rain in the south and west of the country, less in the north and east. They also expect more river flooding, and faster glacier retreats, with them likely to disappear during this century (p 257).

Elsewhere, the latest New York Fed consumer expectations survey for July shows consumer price inflation expectations are firmly anchored at a high +4.8% for the next year. However the same survey reveals households' expectations for year-ahead earnings growth and the likelihood of finding a job, rose sharply in July. Medium-term inflation expectation ticked up to +3.7% in three years. While remaining elevated, home price growth expectations declined to +6.0% over the coming year. Across the board, Americans expect to pay sharply more in the coming year for everything, and but expect their pay to rise only +2.9% to match that. While such surveys rarely work out with these signals, these expectations do strongly affect how people plan and react.

There is some evidence Americans may be underestimating their pay prospects. The latest JOLTS survey (for June) shows there is a surge in both job openings and quits, suggesting that labour shortages are still getting worse. While the acceleration in payroll gains in recent months suggests that is not proving as long-lasting a drag on hiring as some had feared, that is in part because employers have increased wages more rapidly than anticipated. Tighter labour market conditions will likely put more upward pressure on wages over the coming months.

China's consumer inflation came in marginally higher in July than expected, but still lower than for June. Retail prices for pork, beef and lamb are now all falling on a month-on-month basis. But their factory sector reported PPI up at +9.0% which was also higher than expected and matching the 13-year high reached in May. This is real pressure in a core component of the world's supply chain.

Analysts have noted that the weekend release of import data from China shows that copper imports fell -10% in July. That has brought a sharp retreat in the copper price today.

In Taiwan their exports rose at the same fast rate in July as they did in June. A moderating of growth was expected but hasn't happened yet. Taiwanese exports are a stunning+38% higher in July than the pre-pandemic July 2019 levels. Taiwanese imports also stayed high, indicating strong trading activity.


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German export data for June was released overnight and they reported their 14th consecutive month of gains. Those export gains rose more than expected and were despite persisting supply bottlenecks. Germany depends on export demand and this gives another positive view of world trade at present even if German exports are only up +2.3% above June 2019 levels.

There were 285 new community cases in NSW yesterday with another 170 not assigned to known clusters, so they are not getting on top of their outbreak. Victoria is reporting eleven new cases. Queensland is reporting 5 new cases with some in Cairns. Overall in Australia, more than 22% of Aussies are fully vaccinated, 44% have now had at least one shot.

Canada has opened its borders to fully vaccinated American travelers - but the Americans haven't reciprocated yet.

Meanwhile, the city of Beijing has canceled all large-scale exhibitions and events for the remainder of August, the latest sign of economic disruption due to the fast-spreading Delta variant. They are sticking to their elimination strategy.

Wall Street has opened marginally lower in Monday trade, down -0.1% in afternoon trade. Overnight, European markets were quiet and mixed around +/- 0.1%. Yesterday, Tokyo finished up +0.3%, Hong Kong ended its session up +0.4% and Shanghai starred, up +1.1%. The ASX200 ended unchanged after giving up earlier gains. The NZX50 ended down -0.5%.

The UST 10yr yield starts today at 1.32% and up another +1 bp since yesterday. The US 2-10 rate curve is to now at just on +110 bps and marginally steeper. Their 1-5 curve is steeper at +72 bps, and their 3m-10 year curve is also a bit steeper at +128 bps. The Australian Govt ten year benchmark rate starts today at 1.22% and unchanged. The China Govt ten year bond is at 2.89% and up +6 bps. The New Zealand Govt ten year is now at 1.63% and also unchanged.

The price of gold took another hit overnight dropping right out of favour and down a further -US$33 to US$1730/oz. This time last week it was at US$1811/oz so that is a weekly retreat of -4.5%.

Oil prices are lower by -US$1.50 from this time yesterday, so in the US they are under US$66/bbl, while the international Brent price is just on US$68.50/bbl.

The Kiwi dollar opens today just on 70 USc. Against the Australian dollar we are little-changed at 95.4 AUc. Against the euro we are unchanged at 59.6 euro cents. That means our TWI-5 starts today still at 73.2 and still in the narrow range of between 72 and 74 we have been in for ten months now.

The bitcoin price has taken another step up is now at US$46,395 which is a gain of +7% from this time yesterday. Volatility in the past 24 hours has been very high at just under +/- 4.0%.

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Time for a survey on vaccine hesitancy.

Thumbs up if you are vaccinated or will be getting jabbed as soon as you are called up.

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Thumbs up if you are hesitant, but will probably take the jab.

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Thumbs up if you are hesitant and unlikely to get jabbed.

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Or thumbs up if you definitely won't be taking any of the current vaccines.

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Who wants to know?

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Well it seems to be an issue for the governments border strategy. If they start banning the unjabbed from working on the ports we will be in deep doo if there are not enough left to unload ships.

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Smells more like a convenient excuse to me. 90% is a huge proportion. It's the union or some cock up like not making the vaccine available to them at work.

Govt and MOH have had since Feb to detect this issue and sit down with reluctant border workers and the union and figure it out.

Instead they just made a rule from on high and pushed the can down the road until at least October. Incredible lack of urgency.

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Or a reorganization of ship duties. How 100 men came to board a ship seems inefficient at least.

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Seems to me someone isn't keeping things in proportion. We are in deep doo-doo, probably headed for species extinction. Ours. You think a few slower ship-unloadings really matter?

And the joke is that the IPCC is only measuring the exhaust, not the dwindling level in the tank.

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Can we talk about species extinction later....first we need to ensure that ship loads of Warehouse plastic tat are going to be unloaded for xmas.

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The climate heats up, kills a lot people, greenhouse emissions go down and the survivors live a clean, green life. Haven’t you seen The Handmaids Tale, although personally I prefer The Hunger Games.

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Getting the vaccination doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting Covid, PPE does. It is believed the workers used the correct PPE procedures. If they didn't then I guess the BOP will all be working from home again son enough.

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Beanies survey shows little vaccine hesitancy.
But we already just knew PM Ardern was pointing the finger of blame as far away from herself as possible. Blame the workers.

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I dunno, at the moment the survey is at 32 thumbs for getting jabbed and 18 for some form of hesitancy. That seems like a fairly high level of hesitancy, certainly enough that it would be difficult to reach herd immunity if interest.co.nz in representative of the general population.

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Problem though is illustrated by the situation in Iceland. Population over 85% vaccinated but delta outbreak has scuppered them sufficiently to overload their health system. Sad to say that is a pointer to NZ’s quandary if delta gets in and out and about.

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It really isnt an if, its a when. And if its not delta, it will be the next iteration. There is no escape, our beloved leaders need to start thinking about how we are going to live with this....

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the Interest readership as a representative population cross section?

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No. But does the rest of the population trust the authorities more or less than us? I don't know the answer to that, but suspect it will be less.

Looking at the results in round numbers, we will have a team of 4 million and another team of 1 million. That's going to be a real test for the government to manage.

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I think Beanie missed the option of those that have actually already have had at least 1 if not 2 jabs. Saying your going to get it is one thing, actually having that needle stuck in your arm is something else.

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NZ-wide power 'emergency' leads to outages in Waikato

Start allowing new hydro dams and FFS get digging for natural gas, not Indonesian coal. Link

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We don't have the brains to sort out infrastructure. Our brightest are too busy creating new formula to calculate the Olympic medal tally in a way that NZ is first place.

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See first item. We have enough gas for the foreseeable future. We need to push forward with renewable s, plus a smarter consumer network, that allows for load shedding. Last night showed the problems with heat pumps, in freezing weather they are not much better than resistance heaters

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Yeah but luckily things are getting ambiently warmer, so no worries, eh?

Makes you wonder where it all goes; all those brand new utes end up as stranded assets. All that debt (I'm still waiting for DC to list debt with all the opti-hype) goes unrepaid. How long does belief (in money, in growth) hold?

We are living through what was long predicted, now, but what I didn't anticipate was the dissonance of POVs. Our narrative(s) are all over the place.

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"Yeah but luckily things are getting ambiently warmer, so no worries, eh?"

It's a cunning plan. Raise the global temperature to a nice ambient 20c and we then save the bulk of the worlds coal which is used to heat either via electricity or direct. Win-Win

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Why stop at 20 deg? Let's go full Venus (surface temps 470 deg, ~97% CO2 atmosphere, possibly due to runaway climate change events) and we can just go outside with coal and it will spontaneously combust.

I don't think many people realise that there isn't really an upper limit with regards to how hot it can get. We are all worried about a 2 deg rise, but how would you like a 10 deg rise or a 50 deg rise if things really get away on us... at some point it's unliveable and we simply won't survive and that point is far below the bounds of what physics says is possible.

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Yep, good ole inter-glacial warming. "We show a persistent and widespread increase of growing season integrated LAI (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing LAI (browning). Factorial simulations with multiple global ecosystem models suggest that CO2 fertilization effects explain 70% of the observed greening trend, followed by nitrogen deposition (9%), climate change (8%) and land cover change (LCC) (4%). CO2 fertilization effects explain most of the greening trends in the tropics, whereas climate change resulted in greening of the high latitudes and the Tibetan Plateau. LCC contributed most to the regional greening observed in southeast China and the eastern United States."
https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004

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Which is fantastic. But CO2 levels are still rising, the fertilisation effect is a known positive feedback mechanism. But it does NOT mean we don't have to worry about CO2, because eventually the effect will plateau or reverse as other factors affect plant growth (soil quality/temperatures/aridity etc). Overwhelmingly those that study it find that it isn't anywhere near enough to mitigate the climate change drivers, hence we sea ocean acidity increasing and increased average temps.

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Profile,
I knew I could count on you. Those in the know and you are clearly of that number, are well aware that climate change is a dastardly plot hatched by the UN and its shadowy backers-Soros, Gates, probably the Rothschild's-and why? World domination of course.
I urge you to keep revealing The Truth. All these so called climate scientists are in the pay of someone. The Keeling Curve is an invention and those behind this are so cunning that they even managed to fool the oil companies over 30 years ago into believing that climate change was real. Perhaps you are one of The Anointed right here in litttle NZ! I will be right behind you when you seize power.
I await your definitive 'proof' that there really is a pizza shop where Democrats sacrifice children.

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FAO’s forecast for global cereal production in 2021 has been lowered marginally since the previous report in June to 2 817 million tonnes, but still 1.7 percent (47.8 million tonnes) higher than in 2020 and would mark a new record high.
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/

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Oh no more food! The horror!

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Any suggestion as to why that's the case?

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We are 1 of 8 housholds that I am aware of who are not using a wood burner and have a heat pump.

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Next time they need to pull supply due to shortages do it in Wellington, that'll get their attention. Outside of the election cycle Waikato might as well be another country as far as politicians are concerned.

Could we run a cable to a developing country and outsource our emissions problem to them? It worked for raw materials and manufacturing.

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Some supply authorities still have water heating shedding, others don’t bother and shed their customers instead, those affected should talk to their suppliers.

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It seems that not a single wind turbine was operating last night - still conditions across the whole country.
Combine that with the gas issues at present and we had a shortage of generation.

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Actually there was a bit of breeze around at the time and half decent wind gen.

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I checked em6live about 8pm last night and wind was generating at about one third capacity.

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Last night's power brown-out is the kiss-of-death for EV's

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We need to build more hydro. Forget about wind or solar on a cold still night. And no way do I want nuclear generators.

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Why not Nukes Beanie? The issues with Chernobyl and Fukushima are all about old technology. Nuke power plants can be built to be safe and resilient these days.

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How many new buildings were condemned after the Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes?
I'd rather not have nuclear here in these shaky isles.

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EVs really aren't a problem for peak demand, for the most part the charging is extremely flexible. So, no.

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No doubt they will be much safer from accidents, but what about from a security point of view over their lifetime and ultimate disposal.

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Today much of the research has answered your questions and the new designs are taking them into account. The molten salt ones look very good, and safe. We should be using technology to provide solutions for the past failings. Tectonic issues can be just as easily mitigated as well.

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and in 30 years, the current tech will be old - what is your point?

It can be as safe and resilient as we think it can be. But ultimately we live on the worlds biggest faultline.

Then of course what do we do with the waste?

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North of Auckland is tectonically stable. Close to our largest power consumer Auckland, easy access to some decent sized rivers for cooling, and obviously have contingency plans by building is strategic locations. Nuclear power is the future of the world, not this bullshit "renewables" crap that is far from renewable in terms of resource extraction, and being unable to actually produce enough energy to allow for the building of more renewable energy sources.

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Auckland volcanic field might be an issue... also tsunamis from further away.
Where is the uranium coming from?
Also, where is the waste going?

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I wouldn’t rule out a small modern reactor, the industry has a good safety record compared to airlines for example or NZTA.

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Any nuclear has a good safety record compared to the casualties from oil and gas mining, and the many many millions of deaths from air pollution from fossil fueled power generation.

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https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-wastes-coal-fired-power-plants

If we're worried about nuclear waste we should shut down huntley right away given that coal creates more nuclear waste than nuclear.

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Wind and solar are fine if you have big batteries to store it in. Imagine if every household had a huge battery parked in their driveway...

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That huge battery wants to suck power out of the grid overnight.

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It's 1000 times cheaper to build a national battery at Lake Onslow

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A large battery array might be sufficient in these circumstances? We had a shortage of generation capacity for a brief time and couldn't bring additional online fast enough. These could be sited closer to demand centers (e.g. Auckland) to avoid issues with transmission capacity limits too.

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It's the age old Govt ineptitude of putting the cart before the horse. You need to provide the infrastructure first.

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Not at all, 99% of the time they don't need to charge during peak demand, we just need some very simple tech and pricing to manage that.
Also its theoretically possible that EV's could have been supplying power to the grid at that time. I would certainly have allowed my theoretical electric car to pump power back into the grid at peak and then have it charge off peak overnight assuming the power company paid me appropriately. Or they could have cut off my connection and I could have run our house off the car. Why have pumped hydro when every house will probably have a huge battery before it even gets built.

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Peak is overnight

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No, peak is evening (and morning). Cheap rates start at 9pm/10pm/midnight depending and scheduled charging starts then.

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Hi Jimbo. Good stuff. Have you heard anything about the Quasar V2H 7.2kwh bi directional charger being given the tick off for NZ? Charge back into the grid at peak times in the dark. $4,000 US a bit pricey. I haven't got solar yet but only a small system would charge a 62 kwh Leaf on most days in Hawkes Bay

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Like most EV owners, I charge after 9pm when power is half the price due to lower demand on the grid. So, peak evening demand between 5-9pm makes no difference to EV charging.

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I charged my Tesla at its usual 9pm slot which is when the network could evidently handle it. Drawing 3kwh for 90 minutes to replenish the charge used in daily driving. No electric hot water heater in this house so I don’t see it as a problem.

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Currently looking for my 2nd..would never go back to ICE age

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No call for the new modular nuclear plants? they would have much less footprint and impact. Throttlable too so can adjust to demand.

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Nuclear will never be a good idea in NZ.

Look at our geology, ecology, and size. When it goes wrong (and history suggests it will at least every 10-20 years) then what do we do?

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Same as we do for earthquakes or flooding, clean up and carry on.

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See, that's the critical difference with Nuclear. You don't just clean it up and carry on.

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Chernobyl, Fukushima, that is what they are doing, and there is no sign of mutation in the animals around Chernobyl.

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With our large, low density country it would be easy to locate a reactor to minimise any potential impact. In the history of nuclear power there have been 3 accidents. Hydro dams have killed more people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dam_failure

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Nuclear is the best form of energy available to human kind. But good luck trying to actually educate people that have been brainwashed. Liquid salt reactors are actually solids at room temp, so if something does go wrong, a hole in the floor opens up and dumps it straight into a pool of water, problem solved.
It comers down to planning and risk mitigation, and making sure the back up plans have back up plans.

There is currently 443 nuclear reactors operating around the world, needs to be more.

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If nuclear had replaced coal and gas over the last few decades, the world would be in a far better position.

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Best? More?
Do some research on how global nuclear waste is handled.
It's not the active plant (in most cases) that is the issue, it is the spent fuel that causes the problems.

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Yes, all nuclear waste from power generation has been encapsulated and stored right back in the ground where it came from. It is all tracked and accounted for. Not like fossil fuel emissions which are just pumped in to the atmosphere and allowed to dissipate to anywhere they like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoy_WJ3mE50

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have you looked at LCOE of nuclear? without massive capital subsidies from taxpayers?
Whilst I'm personally not against it for supplying a baseload for Auckland, it's a moot point - it will never fly in New Zealand unless a massive social upheaval precipitates it.

I'm more for a distributed solar approach for charging interchangeable batteries and hot water heating.
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Car manufacturers will have to standardize on battery design like the ubiquitous 9kg gas bottle but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

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The most recent accident was in a country with a similar geology to us.
Regardless, where are we going to be "allowed" to build a nuke? We don't have a big dessert to chuck it into. I winder what the RMA says about nuclear reactors?

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North of Auckland is tectonically stable. Why do we need a dessert to put it in?

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Do you want one next door?

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Ask the thousands of students who live in the city centre, one of the interations of the University science building was supposedly designed to possibly accommodate one.

Would I want one next door? No. Would I want a coal fired station next door? No. Do I drive a diesel car? No. If you have to make me choose between them, I'd take the nuclear station every time - but then again I'd happily buy an apartment above a race track if I could.

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Fukoshima was about the worse case scenario, and yet mortalities from the event are near zero.

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I read this recently from another Interest post:

https://newatlas.com/energy/seaborg-floating-nuclear-reactor-barge/

a) it floats
b) it almost totally removes the waste issue at end of life
c) negligible impact if it melts down

Food for thought?

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It's good that minister Woods is talking to Transpower this morning. Although it seems to be that these outages were down to lack of generation, not constraints of transmission.

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She should have been talking to them yesterday.

This shouldn't be something that consumers first get wind of when the lights start going out.

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Finally, the government comes up against something that it can't reject the premise of, simply go quiet on or bounce around a few working groups in Wellington. The lights are either on or off, and people tend to notice when the power goes out.

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My solar sends four times as much out the gate as comes in. (in winter 2x)
And each of those little sparkles I send along the wire means another couple of litres stays in Lake Pukaki.
A government with nous, (yes I know) would build on that imperfect assistance by allowing a networked distributed generation system. Where neighbourhoods could be more self sufficent.
Probably better than dumping billions into some panic stricken mega scheme.

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More water in lakes in the south island is only so useful, with most demand in the NI and limited transmission.

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Closing the refinery will free up enough energy to power 100,000 households

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Pay people to have solar installed. Simple solution.

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Hydro dams are the antithesis of green energy. They urbanise wild environments, wreck ecosystems, pollute visually, and have a limited life. Plus of course, if it doesn’t rain…

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Climate change will wreck all wild environments and all species - choose your poison

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What? Urbanise wild environments? like building towns does? its a giant puddle of water, doesn't sound very urban to me.
Wreck ecosystems, yes, just like absolutely everything that humans do does, but its the tradeoffs you have too look at.
Pollute visually?? I quite like a nice dam, but i guess you are opposed to electric lighting as well, that's a pretty potent type of visual pollution.
Limited life, everything does. But please, tell me what the average life span of a hydro dam is in comparison to wind turbines or solar panels? Oh, and what happens to all those wind turbine blades after they are done with them... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-…
Plus of course, if the sun doesn't/isn't shining, or the wind isnt blowing.....They are immediate use. Hydro is storage over time.
I take it you are a proponent of Nuclear energy then? the obvious best choice.

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Any word from BTC bears today?

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Bloody Trivial, Considering?

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I agree..but many boomers would not.

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Wondered how long it would take you to get the boomers into the conversation

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Good..

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I thought 1 butcoin = 1 butcoin so it doesnt really matter if you can sell it for 1cent or $1B does it?

Also to be a Bear you need to have theories on market conditioning negativly effecting the price. For the thousands of Cryptos floating around, they are no different to stamps or baseball cards, Im not a Bear or Bull on those either, but at least they dont pretend to be a currency and think one day they will take over the world.

Good luck with ya cryptos, one thing they will always be able to buy is some of the emperors new clothes

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Depends what you do with them. A large chunk of my bitcoin is wrapped onto the ethereum network, and generating me ongoing passive yield via liquidity pools.

Meanwhile try and find some utility or passive yield of the same type with cash.

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How do you suppose they generate the income required for this yield? Who is the borrower who is forced to pay these rates?

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Liquidity pools don't involve borrowing/lending.

https://medium.com/geekculture/we-need-to-talk-about-liquidity-pools-in…

The income is generated from taking a cut of trades that you are providing liquidity for.

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So you have lent your money to crypto market makers? That deserves a knife catch risk premium, I would think.

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No. The coins are added to a smart contract, and I have ownership of a share of the pool and can withdraw any time.

The returns are a % of the trades from the pool, but the platform itself (Sushiswap, Quickswap etc) allocates a share of their token as a reward. The token itself gives an effective right over the platform's profits and can be staked for dividends.

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OK, the platform is a counterparty. Again why do they have to pay so much in returns?

Still sounds like you have committed your assets for knife catching.

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There is no counterparty. The platform has a smart contract which means only I have access to my share of the pools.

They don't have to do anything in terms of rates, but they compete with other projects. The percent cut I get is close to what the other platforms like Uniswap offer.

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You haven't lent it, you've deposited it in a smart contract. The crypto is still in your wallet.

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Is it high enough for you cash out to real fiat yet? or are you waiting for next weeks numbers?

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Lol "real fiat" now that is the best oxymoron I have seen for a while.

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Try go a week without using any fiat, I think you will find it is pretty real.

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Proof of work is still a massive waste of electricity. The price going up only makes that worse.

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BC is being pumped by the frantic issuing of Tether and its exchange for BC.
Check out where the flow into BC is coming from -- it's *not* people buying BC, it's frantic conversion of soon-to-be-worthless Tethers. By a huge majority.

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What is BC? BTC is its ticker and abbreviated name just fyi.
Well I am not using tether, I put "real fiat" NZD in and get Bitcoin. Along with the vast majority of anyone who is constantly stacking sats.
Yes tether is a scam and will implode at some point. This will be really bad for the market, a Mt Gox scale event that might put it to sleep for a few years. But I have confidence that it will return, and so I will be stacking as many cheap Satoshis as I possibly can.

Bitcoin is Bitcoin, the network doesn't care about the dollar denominated value, it will just keep on getting harder to find.

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Praise the lord!

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You mean praise mathematics? Thats all Bitcoin is, maths and code.

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IPCC report is pretty damming. Let's see how much further governments including ours (actually ours is one of the worst) can jam their heads in the sand.

Even ignoring the escalating drawdown issue, it seems we are hell bent on screwing up the thing that supports our entire existence. The thin blue line has its own pandemic going on... it's us.

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We must immediately shut down Huntly. Burning all that nasty coal. That way we'll get to show the country what power shortages and rolling blackouts are really like. But wait, lots and lots of wind farms will be reliably blowing when we need them and the sun will be shining at 6pm in winter to provide solar. I hear you say we'll put ginormous batteries to make up for that. The cost never mind about that.
Darn this global warming. Sorry read climate change.
Now, 9Aug21 as espoused by the Secretary General of the UN we have code red on climate change.
Go back a while
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

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Why coal at Huntley, some of their plant can burn gas , which is an internationally acceptable work around.

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If only we had continued to explore for and expand our natural gas extraction...Oh hold on.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/facts-and-figures/heat-va…

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Gas instead of coal is the way to go. Germany is piping gas in from Russia and eliminating coal fired power stations.

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Or we could expand Huntly and burn crap loads of coal with no incentive to invest in renewables. Then one day we run out of coal and have to face the issue regardless (maybe not 'we' but the next generation, so that is fine?). Or maybe they won't because the planet will be 10 degrees warmer and the odd blackout is the least of their worries.

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I heard Al Gore still has a place by the sea.

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Nigelh - yours was a classic linear self-justification. Good as it gets, example-wise.

His prediction is/was spot-on - learn about systems and feed-back-loops:
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/98119/murray-grimwood-looks-how-we-s…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMmChiLZZHg

Even by 2000, we were on the runaway train. And even by 2000 we were late. What comments like yours tell me, 2 decades later - is that we're stuffed. We haven't the cranial capacity to stop; not enough of us, anyway. Heck, here are still folk daily lauding what someone up-thread perfectly described as: "we need to ensure that ship loads of Warehouse plastic tat are going to be unloaded".

Some of us are designing PlanB; it'll be needed.

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Climate change report, does it mean more days like yesterday with 1C and heavy snow in Canterbury ?

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Equatorial winds moving south, maybe more flooding

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Yes , the climate scientists have always said more extremes would be the symptoms , both hot and cold .

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Climate change can mean heating or cooling, flooding or drought, less ice, more ice. The only certainty is the amount of hot air spouted by funded scientists.

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The amount of energy expended used in denial of overwhelming evidence also contributes

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Yes, he's a long way back, that one. I'd like to do a survey of those who are religious, correlated with those who believe we aren't dong any planetary damage/aren't in overshoot/ should just keep on concentrating on GDP.

It may well be that belief is a common cranial wiring........

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Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

I can see how religion and overshoot denial might be correlated.

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"And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth" does mean licence to destroy the environment, nor absolve them of responsibility for f**king it up! And if they use that God given brain of theirs and look at human history, they will understand that God will NOT pull their fat out of the fire when it all turns to custard!

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well Transpower have been caught with their pants down. So the government wants to ban all gas, everyone switches to electric hot water and electric cooking, lets ban all wood fires and everyone goes on heat pumps. Lets ban all petrol and diesel cars and go electric. But we better hope we don't get a cold spell or a hot spell as the electricity network can't cope. Again poorly thought out agenda from the government, no idea what or if the real world can cope with the fairy tail world they live in.

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I am well left of centre and pretty green, but I agree. There is no coherence to this government's policy at all.
Shambolic is the word that springs to mind.

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Remember that all govts for the last 30 years represent............ us.

It's US who don't have a plan - FCM is so keen to blame others...... change starts at home.

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Lets build more dams!!
Oh hold on, Forest & Bird, DoC and any other green lobby group will oppose anything that might drown a few trees or god forbid, a couple of snails.
You just cant Fn win. Theres no such thing as logic and cost benefit analysis these days.

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Good short-term vs long-term thinking. What happens to all those species when we raise the tree temperature several degrees - and that effect is global rather than localised

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Not at all. They just don't want dams in the Mokihinui, which if you have been down there, you would know why. It's a freaking massive biodiversity zone.

There's plenty of other places we can dam, without destroying our natural environment. Here's a list of rivers off the top of my head:
Acheron
Clarence
Otaki
Waiohine
Wairau/Rainbow

Most of them are not in areas with incredible biodiversity. Jeez, damming the Clarence where it comes out of the gorgey bit West of "The Store" with a 70-100m dam face and it would be another Clyde dam.

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So in your opinion, what was the problem with the Ruataniwha dam in Hawkes Bay?

No doubt there are many great places we could build, but the objections for anywhere are always the same, and they endlessly push the same narrative so nothing, I repeat NOTHING gets built.

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Ruataniwha was not for hydro power, it was an irrigation scheme, so not pertinent to this discussion. Greens firmly opposed it as it would mean huge downstream intensification of agriculture in areas where the ground water contamination would have been huge.

The Tasman dam, they also opposed for the same reason, but it's gone ahead anyway (showing that just because the Greens don't support it, doesn't mean it won't happen). They are a minority party, if the two major parties wanted to do it, or a local council, they could (and should). Green opposition doesn't actually mean much until they strike a chord with the public around protecting real biodiverse areas (for reference, see the opposition to mining in National Parks, led by the greens).

No new generation gets built because: 1. The electricity market is broken thanks to the gentailer model causing them to not want to build new supply. 2. Governments are hesitant to start anything big, because by the time it's built (which is usually 10 years), they won't get kudos for it. If it fails, they get burned. Successive governments are useless at delivery, cowardly, power hungry, conservative numpties. 3. The public of this country has little clue about these two things.

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Yet another foreign 'investor' in strife. Good to see OIO doing its job.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/foreign-billionaire-forced-to-sell-west-a…

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Hasn't come out yet, but the background cause of this is the nature of our non-competitive electricity market. The generators have been playing a game of keeping generation low so as to ensure that electricity prices remain high - some analyst or algorithm failed to predict the spike in demand fast enough and they got caught out.

That's why Transpower have been diplomatically stating 'insufficient power generation was made available' - plenty of transmission capability - it's not that it couldn't have been made available - it's that there was a screwup with the market makers on the generation side leading to a massive spike in the wholesale pricing.

Hopefully this will be the spark that ignites the fires of anger leading to a proper shakeup in the card/shell game that is the NZ electricity market - it's dysfunctional and needs to be (more) heavily regulated to prevent the marketeers games resulting in events like last night - that truly endangered the lives of real people.

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Yet another NZ debacle!!!

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To be fair, anyone with generation assets which weren't online last night would have been kicking themselves for the screw-up too -- if not from a public interest perspective, just from having missed out on stepping in to fill those massive spot prices.

But yes I think there's increasing recognition that the market is, shall we say, flawed.

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No no you don't understand, didn't you read all the comments above. It's all about the gubbermint and the coal and the gas etc. Nothing to do with greediest extracting the max from the populace.

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And they're just now tugging on the string :- "Minister Woods told media she had written to generator companies seeking assurance that every available generation unit would be switched on. It appeared that had not been not the case in the outages 12 hours earlier."

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Time to renationalise the electricity industry - get rid of the "market",a few dozen overpaid executives, and all those marketing departments. Return to a centrally planned electricity system.

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Probably would be good; shareholder obligation needs to be taken out of an existential issue. But the central planner-types don't seen to have much more nous.

But the bigger problem is us. We presume unlimited supply - because we deserve it? We could just fit in with parameters. But then, you get a medico suggesting that inversion-airsheds should outlaw logburners. Has anyone told him about this? Has he bothered to think through the displacement energy-demand thing? Bet your bottom dollar he didn't. \

We need correlated leadership. Meshed systems. Logic.

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Indeed, the old NZED model with local authority power boards.

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Ah yes, the other Kiwi pastime - privatising our assets, then buying them back at multiples of what we sold them for. Extra points for buying back gentailers, essentially bond-proxies, at what seems to be the high water mark of the low interest rate environment.

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Not at all with power companies, because the gubbmint still owns 51%. So they could forcibly split the retailers from the gentailers, take the assets back, give them to transpower to manage and leave the retail arms to become more efficient with a wholesale market price set by transpower. Transpower should be run like an SOE returning dividends to the government which should be ringfenced into electricity supply. If they are returning too much to the government for these purposes, the wholesale price of power should be dropped, leading to customer savings.

It's completely f$%ked at the moment, no incentive for gentailers to create more supply because if they do, power prices go lower. So they intentionally dump water out of the southern lakes to keep prices higher and intentionally don't invest in new risky projects as it would shoot themselves in the foot. It's reminiscent of the Californian electricity crisis of the 2000's, which shows what happens when supply is decided by the profiteers.

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Hydrogen fuel anyone?

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Toyotas argument against BEVs seems to center around the lack of available charging infrastructure.

On that basis hydrogen seems a worse option currently. At least with BEVs every house with off street parking can act as a filling station.

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Just add Hydrogen facilities at current fuel stations..... problem solved

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True. I struggle to get past the environmental concerns with batteries and feel that Hydrogen is the better option. But infrastructure is sorely lacking for either. Ultimately I think there will be a mix of both types, if we live long enough!

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We can’t make enough renewable energy currently and you want to go to hydrogen that uses 3.5x more electricity to move a vehicle?

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Tiwai pt the new green hydrogen plant. Plenty hydro power available.

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