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Economists are eyeing earlier interest rate cuts after ‘dire’ business survey shows inflation has been ‘beaten’

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Economists are eyeing earlier interest rate cuts after ‘dire’ business survey shows inflation has been ‘beaten’
A man walks past the Reserve Bank on Wellington's The Terrace

A survey of businesses released on Tuesday morning was virtually screaming for the Reserve Bank of New Zealand to cut interest rates later this year, some economists say. 

Stephen Toplis, BNZ head of research, published a note headlined ‘QSBO says inflation beaten’ and called for the central bank to cut rates much sooner than projected. 

“In our humble opinion, today’s NZIER Quarterly Survey of Business Opinion [QSBO] screams: cut rates sooner rather than later,” he said. 

In May, the RBNZ projected the Official Cash Rate would be held at 5.50% until August 2025 and the central bank's Monetary Policy Committee even considered the possibility of another hike

The QSBO showed only a net 23% of businesses intended to lift their prices next quarter, down from 33% last quarter and well below the long-run average of 34%. 

“It would be a rarity for headline inflation to be outside the target band with this level of intention,” Toplis said. Plus, pricing intentions could continue to fall “viciously”.

Employment numbers in the survey were also stark. A net 25% said they had laid off staff in the June quarter and a net 10% said they will cut staff in the next few months.

These numbers are the weakest since the recession in 2007 and 2009, excluding the quarters which were influenced by the temporary covid shocks.

Toplis said the survey had encouraged the market’s view that the RBNZ will be forced to loosen monetary policy much sooner than it has projected. 

Bond traders have priced in a roughly 50% chance of the Official Cash rate being cut to 5.25% in October and are completely convinced it will have happened by November.

That November meeting would be the last scheduled opportunity for RBNZ’s Monetary Policy Committee to cut the Official Cash Rate before going on a three month summer break. 

Many economists were splitting the difference between the market and RBNZ with forecasts for a cut in February 2025 — but the QSBO results have caused some to reconsider this view.

‘Live’ possibility

Mark Smith, a senior economist at ASB, said their interest rate forecast was “under review” after NZIER’s survey showed the economy was “mired in a protracted slowdown”.  

Some firms were unable to pass on their increased costs and would have to let go of more staff to remain profitable. Unemployment could rise above 5% before the end of the year and consumer demand could cool even further.

“The RBNZ would have been encouraged that pricing pressures and capacity frictions are cooling, with the return to sub 3% inflation looking to be increasingly more clear-cut,” he said. 

“We do not expect the RBNZ to declare victory prematurely until it is sure that inflation is on track to settle in the 1%-to-3% inflation target range, but the case for 2024 rate cuts is building”. 

Miles Workman, an economist at ANZ, said an earlier OCR cut was possible if the next consumer price index data was “well behaved” and there was another quarterly decline in gross domestic product.

“We are forecasting the first cut to come in February, but if [those things happen] November will certainly be a ‘live’ meeting. The risks are certainly starting to tilt that way,” he said.

Workman said RBNZ would want to see trends confirmed in “hard data” before changing its policy and wouldn’t do so based on surveys and anecdotes. 

“Forward-looking activity indicators have deteriorated significantly in recent months, suggesting the economy may not be far from a tipping point in the cycle where the disinflation process starts to accelerate,” he said in a note.

Kiwibank’s economics team said this backed up their existing forecast for a November rate cut, and warned that late 2025 would be “12-to-24 months” too late.

“The inflation dragon has been slain, we’re just waiting for it to hit the turf,” they said.

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Consumer debt or property debt? I wonder if BNZ should be lending for renovations to lift the value of residential property. They could work out some kind of contractual relationship where the bank could get % of sale price + debt servicing on the cost of renos. 

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Yip...no surprises there. All NZ Bank economist (like drug dealers) are cut from the same cloth.

 

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Eventually Kiwibank, BNZ, and Squirell will be right lol, it will read: wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong right.

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There is nothing better than watching the greedy bankers Ponzi fall apart.

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Yeah. Without new punters bailing out the ponzi, how can we hit lending targets and bonuses. Interestingly some noise about further ocr increases in Straya. If that happens NZ is just a dot on non performing debt.

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And where do we think inflation is going to go if Trump, Le Pen and Farage get in, or have enough influence to determine national economic direction, to join Meloni and Orban who are already doing so? But fear not. Those who wield the true power are co-operating to make sure that doesn't happen. So it can't, can it?

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Why would the ideas of these right wing (they're not fascists, don't call them "far-right") parties be more inflationary than the astounding inflation we've already had in their absence?

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Populist right. Have you heard Trump talk about monetary policy? He’s doesn’t care about inflation

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I doubt that's correct. Trump is tuned into the declining living standards of ordinary Americans who feel that they have been going backwards economically for years - or decades. After all, those are the people voting for him in droves.

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"Trump is tuned into the declining living standards of ordinary Americans"

Amazing, best laugh of any comment this week, maybe year.

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Inflation is more likely to increase under a left wing government. Need to house homeless = print, Need to give money to Ukraine = print, Need to socailise anything = print. Right leaning parties are the ones that will pull the inkjet plug. 

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Well, unless the right wing ones promise 'fully funded' tax cuts that are not, like our lot. Then the borrowing goes up.

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Yep, I don't think these right wing parties are the classical liberal type. Doubt they are reading Mises or Hayek at their meetings.

Not that I believe they are fascists either, I think they are more the populist/nativist sort of right-wingers.

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I found this article useful to try to organise my thoughts. 

https://theconversation.com/far-right-groups-may-be-diverse-but-heres-w…

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What is wrong with interest rates in the 5-6% range? Surely this is normal over the long term? All this expectation that rates will soon return to 3% does nothing but support speculation of property as an asset class. Holding rates fairly firm is surely the path to stable and affordable pricing in the long term

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i think it will be in that range for a few years at least

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Oh no it won't RI. Interest rates will drop again, probably by around 2%.

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i would like that 

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We have private debt of over 140% of GDP fixed on relative short terms. So, a 5% interest rate (~7% average market rate) means that around 10% of GDP ($40bn) is going on loan interest payments. That's a quarter of total NZ wages and salaries. Completely untenable (hence the recession we are in now).

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Like how you frame total debt servicing as a proportion of total h'hold income. It gives a proper perspective of how much is lost to the 'day-to-day economy' or consumer spending. 

Haven't looked for a while but I also thought the value of total housing stock to GDP is interesting. For a while there, NZ was north of 4x from memory. I used a comparison of Japan where during their epic bubble, it was approx 3x.  

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The price of houses here is nuts. 

The problem surely is how far RBNZ would need to drop the OCR in order to get more of that $40B actually spent in the economy.  Or is there a better, more targeted way to get people to spend that wouldnt boost boost house prices and risk unaffordable housing and other economic issues..

e.g helicopter money, UBI or tax changes of some kind - ensuring money is paid to the lower half of earners.

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Yes, we hit 5x in December 2021! We're now back at 4x. 

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 "we hit 5x in December 2021"

My estimates show that Auckland hit over 5.9x.

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Did you use regional GDP and total house values for the same geographic area? Which datasets?

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Ball park estimates for indication purposes.

1) Regional GDP

https://figure.nz/chart/tSTem7o2sqIXn5YC-tifBP3QmIRvcy31A

2) House values - estimated using number of dwellings in Auckland and median price.
 

 

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"I used a comparison of Japan where during their epic bubble, it was approx 3x. "

 

My estimates show Japan got to 5.5x

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Yes but you're just trolling. 

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"but you're just trolling"

Merely correcting incorrect information.

5.5x vs 3x is a significant and meaningful difference worth pointing out.

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We will have to bite the bullet some time and get some better ratios - isn't the other option to carry on and get it to 200% and then really have some carnage? Better losing an arm than your life - or am I living in another time warp.

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No, you are correct. Better the pain now than later.

Look at Japan. The yen is just falling falling falling and the only thing that could halt it (raising interest rates) is a non-starter because that would push up Japanese bond yields. And with the mountains of debt the Japanese government has that isn't a real possibility. They really are stuck between a rock and a hard place there especially as an economy that needs to import so much of its food/energy.

Our situation is a bit different because it is private household debt but the principle is the same. We don't want to end up in Australia's situation of even higher debt loads (already in 200% debt to income ratio space IIRC) and then have the RBA's problems. 

Fundamentally the price of housing and the debtloads associated with it has become way too disconnected from our median wages. It was a disaster long in the making and it is finally here. There is no way out of this without pain but hopefully we will use this pain to actually address the core problems, not go for one last kick of the can down the road. At this point the can has been filled with stones and we're wearing jandals. 

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Japan was doing more than fine until the US strong-armed them into dramatically raising interest rates, crashing their debt bubble and their manufacturing industry at the same time. Now that Japan no longer has access to the massive hard currency trade surpluses that they had in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s they are indeed screwed.

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"Now that Japan no longer has access to the massive hard currency trade surpluses that they had in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s "

 

1) Balance of trade history: https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/balance-of-trade

2) current account to GDP: https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/current-account-to-gdp

 

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They are not at all. The japanese would take a weakening currency above a strengthening one all day long. They are onshoring their consumer demand and keeping their current account positive. Keynes is alive and well.

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Japan was doing more than fine until the US strong-armed them into dramatically raising interest rates

The Plaza Accord screwed Japan  

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i dont agree, maybe better for you.

Bishop said himself he wants a gradual change back to 3-5 x annual income over the next 20 years.

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Too many (almost all) confuse 'inflation' with price shocks....inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon....and in a fiat system it is baked in and required.

If you dont like 'inflation' you need to choose a new system.

The next time you hear the word 'growth', substitute 'inflation'

 

 

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This is nonsense.

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Is it?....care to explain where interest (return) comes from?....or perhaps you wish to explain the nature of money?

Or a simple one for you....why is 'growth' the goal?...surely it is of no import if it is insignificant?

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You only described half the inflation equation, economic and industrial productivity being the other half. You can increase money in the system by 50% with negligible inflation if you increase goods and services in the system by the same amount. For years western nations used China for that. But that's not going to work for much longer. 

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Not at all....does industrial or economic(??) productivity improvement increase the quantity of money available to an economy?.....no, as Keynes once noted, we could all work 14 hrs a week to provide that which we need.

Productivity should not be confused with inflation....though it may offer options. 

The purpose of an expanding money supply (inflation) is to provide the required return (interest)...without that expansion there is no ability to provide a return (in aggregate)....otherwise we are merely moving the same (amount of) money around.

 

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Interest rates aren't all about their effect on property. It's the destruction to the real, productive economy that is of most concern. Clearly our economy isn't equipped to manage interest rates any higher than currently are. Suppressing property speculation will have far reaching consequences elsewhere.

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YES! cut cut cut.

in time for my renewal.

Tony has been calling this for a while now.

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Ohhh nooo!  You are not quoting terrible Tony A? ....aka the Comb?

 

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What's wrong with Tony? or do you just have an issue with everything people say here?

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Which property stacking, you cant lose mate, they're not making any more mate seminar were you lied to at?

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no seminar, just trying to get out of renting for the last 6 years.

it was either buy a house in NZ or go work in the mines in OZ, I made it work here so don't hate.

Or would you rather another skilled worker move to OZ?

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Again RI, on Interest, anyone saying anything pro property is a villain, period. That's it, no need to reason or use any common sense.

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So what the case here Rookster???

Are you a good honest Kiwi homeowner or just another of the Landlording, Rent seeking class ?

Your handle, goes to the later,  yet you talk of the former.   Or are you just a confused soul? and found shelter in the shady zone with the Yvil ?

 

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Kiwi home owner and investor.

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Tony is a great writer. but he relies on the housing Ponzi for his living...  so will always be biased..  as per REA's, banks, mortgage brokers.

So its vital to balance their opinions with those of people without any vested interest in the ponzi.

 

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Tony the Comb,  Head Spruiker in Chief, promised all,  in one of his scibings to the property stackers,  "Rates have peaked around  4.5 - 4.7%  and we will see 5% property gains in 2022"

"Get on board now"  "Buy now, beee quick"  "caaant lose mate"  he said to all during 2021/2022. 

I literally cannot believe anyone is still captured and taken in by this guy's property Tarot Card reads still !  ?

He should be taken before the Spruiker control board,  for disciplinary action......:)

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'Spruiker control board'...

That would be similar in structure and effectiveness to Boeings 'quality and safety board' ..:)

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Yep, wet bus ticket across his curly mop.

The Comb has no shame, gets it so totally wrong, year after year, sucks in the next crop of numpties.  Turns out he is all wrong.

Then he still shows up, next seminar, slithering like a snake, to peddle more property stacking bs.

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Even spruiker Tony Alexander said the RBNZ are only more recently getting results from the pain inflicted by the rate hikes and they'd be stupid to cut too early. He reckons November would be the first cut.

Great time to shake out some of the less productive businesses.

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Yea he's been saying November for a while, in his last TWT he says only him and treasury forecast a cut in November.

Now the banks are on board.

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More like a second cut in November, the ship is heading for the rocks. I think the banks will begin to cut regardless, November latest.

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I think the failing numbers coming out this month and next month are going to solidify this view.

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Username checks out.

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Amen

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Yep being saying cuts in August for a while now or we are going to overshoot the current mess into dire territory.

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Inflation had not been beaten, at the Warehouse. Within a week:

$3 milk up to $3.30

Weetbix up from $6 to $7

 

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The Warehouse is probably a bad example - they are likely just trying to boost their terrible profit and results.

i dont track prices but feel Foodies and Woolies prices are leveling off now.

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Mediocre businesses trying to boost their terrible financials are a big driver of price rises after all. And understanding our economy this phenomenon might become quite widespread.

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the fish prices in Moore Wilsons had become lower. 

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That's what happens when China quits buying NZ produce. Like crayfish prices plummeting during COVID when China shut its borders.

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Terrible business and even worse charity (Tindall laundry mat, I mean foundation).  

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the question of a cut is only matter of when. how much will it cut and stop at what level is more of an important question. 

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Agree, what is the new Neutral OCR?

I think about 1.5% lower

 

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ANZ last week....BNZ this week....whose turn is it next?

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Maybe 'the bank' has noticed an elevated risk on its books...but surely a banker should know that going against the Fed is asking for trouble... perhaps the  request to lower the OCR is just not logical... Not much research required to find the Fed rate...  I dont hold a doctorate of mathematics but Im pretty sure doing nothing until the Fed moves is about where we are at.  

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June 23 quarter CPI 1.1% Sep 23 quarter CPI 1.8 % Dec 23 Quarter CPI 0.5% Mar 24 Quarter CPI 0.5%.

Just needs June and September 24 Quarters to come in at round 0.5% each and we are back to 2% annual.

Highly likely. Just a shame that RBNZ will make us wait too long to face reality and make the cut. But could be

100 basis point first cut by then if in coincides with another "event".

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June quarter is out soon. If it is 0.5% it will bring CPI down to about 3.4%. Personally I am picking it will be lower than 0.5%, and it could even get us back within target band. 

I think the council rates rises come into the quarter after. But also Auckland gets a 11.5c fuel tax reduction. It is highly likely that quarter will be well and truly under the 1.8% that will fall off the other side. I feel like we will be close to 2% after the Sep quarter.

If we are close to 2%, then the OCR really should be close to the neutral level, yet it seems the RBNZ will still have the brakes firmly on. They could stupidly cause a deflation problem and have to very quickly yank the lever the other way causing all sorts of other problems. 

Inflation in NZ has been dead for a long time now, waiting for last September's fuel tax increase to fall out of the annual figure seems like a very dumb idea. 

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Keep the pressure on. I think many families would enjoy a prolonged period of inflation right at the bottom of RBNZs target band to give a few years for wages to catch back up to inflation.

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Orr is a fool. Set wages way too low then too high. Kiwis paying the cost of his incompetence. 

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You mean OCR?

he may have got it about right if he starts cutting now. Will be interesting to see how Australia’s experiment pans out in comparison if they end up with a rate increase. 

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“12-to-24 months” too late.

No ship. That's what I have been banging on about. The RBNZ is using data from last year to make its decisions going forward. Its like staring at the rear view mirror while driving forward, hoping the lanes are where you think they will be on an unknown road.  Too late to raise, now too late to cut. Run by idiots who refuse to look up.

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You would think after massively overshooting the stimulus in 2020/2021 they would have utilised their intelligence and qualifications and learnt this time around. Nah. Hardest landing incoming.

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Fed will not move until after the election...      Biden will juice economy going into it.

So the RBNZ , if they have to wait for fed will need the fed to see a dismal xmas numbers,

If we have to wait till the fed cuts it will be Feb

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