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Ian Mackenzie says the Greens are disingenuous with their 'swimmable' rivers policy because urban rivers are under the most stress, whereas 'they really mean only those in the country'

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Ian Mackenzie says the Greens are disingenuous with their 'swimmable' rivers policy because urban rivers are under the most stress, whereas 'they really mean only those in the country'

By Ian Mackenzie*

The Green Party recently launched its water policy and before looking at what they propose, I need to explain what’s been recently gazetted. 

The National Policy Statement (NPS) for freshwater may not have razzmatazz, but arose from that exercise in consensual collaboration called the Land and Water Forum [LawF].

It was the first time industry, councils, government departments and groups from Federated Farmers to Fish & Game, sat down to openly address water issues and find solutions.

At the heart of the NPS are our regional councils, who have been tasked with maintaining and improving water quality while bringing the poorest water quality up to a national minimum standard.

With next to no exceptions, this policy applies to all water bodies whether they are in town or country.

This was an essential part of the LawF consensus and the government chose secondary human contact as the national minimum standard.

All of New Zealand’s top water scientists were involved in this.

The Green Party claim they are advocates for the environment and I would have thought they would have welcomed this important piece of legislation; whose intent is to keep New Zealand’s fresh water as the best in the world.

Being a farmer and with so many conflicting claims about water quality you may be dubious about what I am saying.  For an objective ‘warts and all’ water picture, can I direct you to the Land and Water Aotearoa (LAWA) website at www.lawa.org.nz.

It confirms our water quality is generally good, with many rivers and streams improving thanks to farmers’ efforts at riparian protection.

What we know is that most swimming spots monitored by regional councils over the warmer months are generally satisfactory for swimming.  The Greens often claim “60 percent of our water” is unsafe, but a vast number of sites are affected by urban runoff. 

Now, the Green Party wants to make all water bodies swimmable. This is disingenuous because of the sheer difficulty and cost of achieving it.

There are 425,000 kilometres of waterways in New Zealand, which would have to meet those swimming standards, 24 hours a day and 365-days of the year. 

The LAWA website states, “rivers and streams in (or downstream of) urban areas tend to have the poorest water quality (the highest concentrations of nutrients and bacteria, and lowest macroinvertebrate community index (MCI) scores).”

This is because all our urban storm water systems are designed to use urban rivers and streams to take away all this run-off.  

The Landcare Trust is running a community project to clean up some of the urban streams that flow into the Tamaki River. Regardless of that effort and enthusiasm they will never be able to stop those streams from being contaminated to the extent that they will become safe for swimming.

Think of the 150-page NZ Standard for public swimming pools, “to ensure the risk to public health is minimised.”  Most small schools have had to close their swimming pools because of problems maintaining that and other standards. Trying to apply that standard to all fresh water bodies is a nonsense. 

This is where the Green Party is disingenuous.

When they say ‘all water bodies,’ they really mean only those in the countryside because they do not wish to alarm their core urban constituency.

The Green Party ignores the huge shift in farmers’ attitude towards environmental stewardship and underplays quantum leaps in management and mitigation of farm nutrients, the fencing of waterways, riparian planting, the strategic application of fertilisers and nutrient budgeting and the effects these are having on improving water quality.

The Greens do not mention that many of the sites NIWA test for its National Rivers Network that fail swimming standards are in fact rivers and lakes affected by urban run off. Instead they continue to blame farmers.

Farmers like me acknowledge that there is a lot more work we need to do and the vast majority of us are adopting practices and spending tens of millions of dollars a year which, given time,  will sort out our contribution.  But we are not the sole cause or the sole solution.

River quality reports are already showing the benefit of a change in farmers’ attitude toward environmental stewardship, but this narrative doesn’t fit the Green’s script.

The NPS by contrast will be law.

It gives communities the power to decide how much progress needs to be made and over what timeframe. It specifically encourages communities to decide what they want for their rivers and lakes while balancing that with the costs to society and the economy.

It has the fish hook that over time, all water bodies will have plans for how they will meet community aspirations, so if the students of North Dunedin decide they wish to swim in the Leith at anytime and the ratepayers of that great Southern town can afford it and are prepared to prioritise that spending over all other, then that is their choice. My guess is the cost will have that city’s burghers muttering darkly at their haggis and prevarication will win.  That’s been the case in most major urban centres. 

The NPS may not have the sexy but implausible sound bite, ‘swimmable for all,’ but it gives that choice to the community to decide.

It is practical, pragmatic and is the law.

With water we’re in this together and the NPS underscores that. 

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Ian Mackenzie is Federated Farmers Environment spokesperson and was on the reference group for the National Objectives Framework.  A version of this article was also published in the New Zealand Herald. It is here with permission.

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The Greens are non-swimmers on this issue , and certainly out of their depth .

Every New Zealander is concerned about environmental degradation , each one of us , but we need to balance this with sustainable development .

And quite simply , we need to improve or maintain water quality in areaes where there is risk of degradation

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I suggest you watch this and then come back and tell us about sustainable development and the way our farmers treat out waterways:

 

http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/programmes/awards/fleming/charles-flemin…

 

 

If it is a choice between Mike Joy and a FF mouthpiece I know who I would choose every time.

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How many beaches get shut down around NZ from city and town sewerage systems making the beach unsafe?

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Go find out for yourself!!!!  Surely you are as a familiar with Google as the rest of us.

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As one Auckland academic put it;

 

“… sustainability has largely been captured and deployed under a narrative of sustainable development in a manner that stifles the potential for substantive social and environmental change.. The dominant institutional interpretation is often employed as justification for policies that are not necessarily sustainable or even socially just ..  sustainability’s underlying message that we must change our consumptive behaviour to be consistent with the carrying capacities of the planet largely are overlooked, if not outright negated”.

 

Gunder, M. (2006) ‘Sustainability: Planning’s Saving Grace or Road to Perdition?’, Journal of Planning Education and Research, 26:208-221.

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Well said, Mr McKenzie.  And it's noteworthy that, until Environment Canterbury was freed from its eternal urban-rural stalemate, (caused by some of the very Greens  now urging this unachievable standard) and a set of Commissioners, led by the redoubtable Dame Bazley, plugged in and set to work, zero visible progress towards a Regional Water Plan had been made.

 

Whereas now....

 

But as those very same Greens seem to want to hand Local Gubmint back the Path to Financial Perdition:  reinstate the Four Well-beings - one doubts that there'll actually be enough Munny to keep on running events, funding Cultural Activities -  and - make the Lower Avon swimmable.

 

Walkable over - well, mebbe.....

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Where exactly are these so called unswimmable rivers , and are many of them not so cold that no one bothers ?

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Lots of data sources, but here's one example from NIWA;

https://www.niwa.co.nz/our-science/freshwater/our-services/water-qualit…

 

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Kate - unfortunately the niwa site does not provide dates on when testing took place....the further links on the site page provide 2010 reports.

 

The tests results that are shown do not show enough relavant data....for instance clarity can be affected by rain etc.

 

I would like to know exactly where the testing sites are and the distance from towns or other built up centres.....whether the testing sites are upstream or downstream of such built -up locations etc.

 

It is a complete waste of resources to have such poor data available.

 

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Oh for goodness sake - I suspect you're actually not really that interested!

 

But, as David has linked below - most regional councils have similar detail for those swimming spots monitored in their regions.  Many however only update their posts on the monitored sites during summer.

 

And here's a site where you can check out your local river;

www.lawa.org.nz

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Incorrect Kate - I am very interested.......what really annnoys me is the poot testing data....how can anyone make good decisions when other factors are not included???

 

What I have noticed is that there is group of people who are increasing in number, who are poorly educated and listen to what surely amounts to propaganda........One thing that I do know is that peole who dislike others and other people's culture always seek to control them........and that is why it is extremely important that reports and data have more information in it as otherwise the extremists in our society will spread their propaganda and bleed the country dry.

 

If it is human heath that people are concerned with then why aren't the rivers tested for heavy metal contaminants like mercury and lead etc???......

.Some people stronglly advocate for adding flouride into water supplies......these same people never ever recognise that the flouride that is being added it is different to naturally occuring flouride in some foods........so people drink this crap in their water supplies which is known to cause health issues then complain about some naturally occurring phenomena like a lack of clarity in the water.......go figure!!

 

Farmers are doing a good job in addressing any known issues from their production which has affected water quality........and it is time that their efforts were recognised !!!!

 

Where do you think all the treated human sewerage full of antibiotics, medicines like chemotherapy and other nasty drugs, dental bi-products like mercury, bacteria's, viruses etc goes??? Do you find it acceptable that all this junk is pumped into waterways and the sea??? Just because something looks clean does not mean it is clean and safe !!

It is not me who is not interested....I suspect however that the Greens and some people who post on this site aren't !!!!  There is always going to be some fecal contaminants in water, humans and their activites are not the only contributers to waterway fecal contaminants.....think of wild animals and birds!  And if you have seen a couple of hundred geese camping by the river then you should know that there is a lot of S^*t sitting on the rocks and floating down the river/creek etc........

 How do you think problems like Salmonella contaminate the waterways in the first place?  Testing water for fecal coliforms so that health issues like salmonella are avoided by the public is dubious at best when it fails to recognise that birds are a known carrier that contaminate the waterways and pastures!!!!

 

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LAWA is a good example of well meaning but really not all that useful, data being used by Joe Public to suddenly become 'experts' on water quality.  There is so much on there that isn't explained.  I note on that Environment Southland states that the data shown on LAWA may vary from what is on their website.  So is LAWA worthwhile - I believe not. 

 

A fingerprint study of sediment in a waterway near us showed that 94% of phosphorus was coming from stream banks - and when drains/creeks were cleared it really spiked as this area has a lot of slumping occur after cleaning.  However nowhere will you find that sort of explanation on LAWA. So Joe Bloggs 'expert' make the 'expert assumption' it is coming from farming practices.

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Joe Public don't need to become experts on water qwuality - given the real experts themselves are generally settled on what the science is telling us.

Gareth Morgan brought together a panel of experts recently - the full initiative is found here;

http://garethsworld.com/myriver/science-myriver/

 

Here are the matters that the experts all agreed on;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/234827913/The-21-Agreed-Scientist-Statements-…

 

Here are the matters that are disputed;

http://garethsworld.com/myriver/science-myriver/findings-areas-dispute/

 

 

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One only has to look at some of the comments on this site at times to see that there are people on here who take what they see at face value when reading science without the understanding of what the scientists are actually saying. Take the NIWA site of 77 rivers.  If you read just the summary you could think that clarity is a huge issue.  However you have to drill down to see the statement on the Waimak that says it is due to glacial flour.  Some people won't do that and make the assumption that it is caused by farming practices.

 

Science is only part of the equation Kate.  It tells us what the state of water is in any given time, and any trends. The other part is what each local community values.  I am involved with water quality at a community level and belive me, there are very disparate views on what should be the main priority for the particular waterway.  Some say 'follow the science', others say 'we just want to fish', others 'protect the water fauna' etc.  Once there is a consensus (which is not expected to happen for about 12months) then they will look to the science to tell them what needs to be done in order to acheive the consensus priority for that particular waterway.  

 

 

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The experts still don't know all the science and that needs to be made clear.......anyone wo thinks the science is settled is not a scientist and no scientist would ever proclaim that.

The greatest threat to the environment is the environmentalists themselves!!!  The ecosystem covers an enormous number of specialist areas and relying on one thing you can test for like fecal coliforms and water clarity is truely pathetic when there is all the microbiology, marine biology, soil biology etc that all play specific and interactive roles.

 

Have the stupid Greens even considered that Fish poop too!!!

http://sciencenordic.com/overlooked-life-seabed-gorges-fish-faeces

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Correct notanaconomist - the real scientists will not admit the science is settled.  Water is a living thing so will always be changing.  

 

Recently I attended a meeting where the results of fingerprint and isotype testing of water has been carried out, some of it a NZ first. It blew some of the assumptions that had been made about where the nutrients were coming from, out of the water.  It was fascinating to me just what they can tell from this testing.  Unfortunately water testing can be very expensive for RCs to carry out.  Hence a reasonable amount of collaborative funding now happening.  

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As you'll see under agreed point 8. (strong majority), the Macroinvertibrate Index is considered to be a better indicator of ecosystem health than any one nutirent variable. So the majority of experts agree with you on that score.

 

But, I get the impression you just want to use the same tactic on water quality that climate sceptics have used in that arena of debate, that being "the science isn't settled" - "we need more data".  Science in terms of complex ecosystems is never absolute or fully settled - to expect it ever to be so is folly. You can run that line of obfuscation all you want. 

 

All that more science will tell you is that there are many contributing factors but the biggest issue that needs to be addressed today is the impact of deforestation and intensive farming, particularly on lowland rivers, lakes and estuaries. And no doubt, you'll still call for more science.

 

The simple truth is - call it common sense -that the environment has limits and we are exceeding them in respect of many of our freshwater resources.

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Robust comprehensive science data in NZ has been sorely lacking.  I would venture to say that it possibly water quality has been the fastest growing sector in science in NZ in the last 5 years. ;-)  Through head hunting we now have some of the best water quality scientists you will find anywhere.  The science being done now is 'catchup' stuff, which should have been done years ago but for various reasons it wasn't.  There will be a slow down in science in years to come.  Scientists will tell you that it is trends that matter, not a one off test at a particular poiunt in time.

 

An example of why we can't just stop and say what was 'discovered' by science up to 10years ago applies today: Waituna Lagoon. In 2011 this RAMSAR site was touted as being about to 'flip' by ES scientists and of course dairy was being blamed.  At one local meeting a non dairy farmer said 'oh well, it's not us that caused the problem it is dairy, so we don't have to worry'. ES decided that they would use the health of ruppia back in 1999 as the benchmark.

 

Naturally farmers fought back and said 'show us the science to back up your claims'.

It was interesting to see at the National Wetland symposium in March 2012 that a DoC presentation showed that their monitoring of ruppia showed it was the healthiest they had been for a few years in Nov 2011.  So what was going on - ES claiming the lagoon was about to flip and DoC saying the benchmark ES was using was in fact the best it had been for years?  

 

Cut through to recent times. Science is now being funded and worked on collaboratively. Robust and comprehensive data is now available.  Back in 2011 it was stated that the pastoral part of the catchment was around 60% sheep and 40% dairy.  In fact as a result of data collected via the science projects, pastoral farming just over 60% dairy, 15% dairy support and 15% sheep. The rest lifestyle etc. Approx 30% of the total catchment is DoC.  Nitrogen and sediment were said to be the biggies, but dairy farming was in the sights as the real problem - they were the easy target.  The science over the last few years has shown that the catchment has two distinct different issues - upper catchment is nitrogen and lower is phosphorus. It has also shown that the old soil type mapping ES was using was incorrect.  On our farm the soil type for 100% of the farm was wrong!

 

Over 90% of the phosphorous is coming from stream bank sediment (the area has major bank slumping issues, especially after the creeks have being cleaned). The scientists say that the soils have naturally high phosphourus levels.  All farmers who farm on 'young' peat soils have been told that if they apply superphosphate 85% of it will go straight through the soil so is wasted. Therefore they need to consider alternatives to superphosphate as a fertiliser.  The on farm mitigation for phosphorous and nitrogen are very different.  Neither are all catchments the same so what works in the Waituna, won't necessary work on the northern Southland Soils.

 

If ES hadn't been questioned on their findings back in 2011 by farmers re the science, and we had decisions being made solely based on the assumption that dairy and nitrogen were the only problem, then the mitigation enforced based on incorrect soil types, could have been detrimental for the lagoon.  All farmers on the young peat would also not be aware of the wastage of their fertiliser and look to use more efficient environmentally friendly alternatives. Farming isn't the only consideration in regards to the Waituna Lagoon, the opening and closing of it to the sea is now considered to be a very significant factor. So it has some unique issues.

 

Science takes time and in our catchment we want mitigation that is going to make a real difference to the lagoon, not something based on someones personal agenda using half baked science and soil type information.  Nor something done because of a kneejerk reaction caused by political grandstanding.  You are not going ot get a quick fix to water in situtations where it takes more than a generation for water to reach the surface.  I believe Labour recognises this when they add the tag 'over time' to their water quality aspirations, but I doubt the average Joe really understands that and wants an instant solution.

 

Within the all-stakeholder catchment community group it has been said by some, ignore using science measures only, look to what we want to be the priority(ies) for the lagoon, and then see what the science says we have to do to acheive that.  The lagoon is used for recreation and gathering kai moana, but not swimming (it was originally a bog swamp in many years gone by).  So the community will decide the values they put on it, not Labour nor the Greens sitting in their glass tower in Wellington, and that in my book is how it should be.  

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NotEc:  fully agree.  The present testing regime is hopeless:  principally because of the low n in sample size, the failure to record context (river freshes, upstream point source transient emissions (like a flock of Canada Geese), and the fact that testing is stuck in the old 'send out a minion with a test tube' mode which limits both scope and frequency of testing.

 

It will take the 'trillion sensors' approach to get anything like Big Ag Data:  literally (in the NZ context) millions of cheap (sub $1) sensors,  and a rural Internet of Things to hoover up the resulting data.  Then, and only then, can the well-established Big Data mining techniques be applied and a sound data-based decision process followed.

A sample from the Cheap Sensors paper:

"Disposable screen printed electrodes have extensively improved the sensitivity and selectivity of the analytical approaches, especially in the detection of certain environmental analytes that were difficult and challenging to measure with conventional and traditional techniques."

 

I'm sure there are exceptions to my sweeping generalisation, and other common taters may care to chip in.

 

But affecting the livelihoods of entire regions via rules based on suspect, incomplete or low-sample-size data, is not a terribly Rational way forward......whereas a plethora of cheap sensors, able to multiply both frequency and scope of measurements, is IMHO the way to go.

 

Measure, then manage.

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Well, it's not hopeless but definitely it could be improved markedly.

 

However, this Government wants to keep politics in the environmental monitoring/testing regime - and hence despite them campaigning on independent testing, based on an independently defined criteria set and methodology by the Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Enviropnment .. they went against their election manifestos and instead chose to put MfE and Stats in charge of environmental monitoring and reporting.

 

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1308/S00145/govt-breaks-promise-on-ind…

 

The only way to get your desired Big Ag Data is to change the government.

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I lost some respect for Jan Wrights reporting when she included 'brown slime' in her report on Land intensification impacts.  It was only if you checked the reference that you saw that it was referring to didymo.  That that 'brown slime' had no reason at all to be included in her report. But I guess it made 'good reading' for those uneducated about water quality.  You only have to read the 'Pollution report' section of My Rivers website to see someone has reported farm effluent as  'brown slime over stoney bottom'.  They could have chosen the alert heading 'Algae' but I guess it suited them better to blame farming - in Omarama.

 

 

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CO: is there any solution yet to solving the didymo problem?

 

interested and concerned

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Iconoclast: Scientists I have spoken to say no solutions and this appears to be backed up here.

http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/node/2501/related_faqs?expand=10063

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Are you talking about this PCE report?

 

http://www.pce.parliament.nz/assets/Uploads/PCE-Water-Quality-in-New-Ze…

 

I searched "brown slime" and got no finds. So I search "brown" and "slime" separately but can't see what you might be objecting to. I'd be really interested if you could provide me with the page reference(s) that you found unobjective and hence, lost your respect for the work.

 

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No Kate, http://www.pce.parliament.nz/assets/Uploads/PCE-Water-quality-land-use-…  

 Thick mats trailing tendrils of brown slime can be seen in many lowland streams and rivers in summer.14

Explained in Notes pg 69, note 14

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Right. I think I get your objection - what your saying is intensification of dairy farming should not be blamed for the didymo problem as well - and that's what you saw the PCE as doing.

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It's about 5 years since I researched didymo, it's an imported pest, imported they believe by foreign anglers. It's invasive. It seems if you ceased all dairying and other farm run-off it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference.

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Sorry, Kate.  Gubmint is the biggest, slowest beast around data-wise:  for a working example, see the IRD's COBOL-based system.  Goodness. there isn't even a Common Data Standard for the sorts of measurements we're talking about.

 

The impetus will come from the Democratization of Data:  when a farmer, prompted by traceability and impact requirements reflected back from their markets, decides to forego the blandishments of the JD sales guy, and - er - plough that capex into a coupla hundred thousand cheap sensors, and start measuring N and P loadings on their own farm catchments.  

 

Then, when the Regional Council wallahs come through and say ' why, our three measurements indicate you are Doing Things Wrong', then the farmer fires up the browser on the tablet and says 'Mais non, my dear friends.  My time series of 1500 measurements shows no trend in That area over This same period, and I'll just click this button thingo and send you the raw data dump for confirmation.'

 

Furthermore, Big Ag Data is already with us:  just in commercially oriented areas such as this sort of thing:  input minimisation.

 

Hard to see that Gubmint has much of a role except, as always,  to play catch-up.

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Farmers of course will adopt such monitoring provided they are confident their data is going to trend better than that of the regulator, I assume - and indeed all for it. You sound like an Internet Party voter if the democratisation of data is your main aim. And indeed its a good aim.

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Farmers are adopting technology Kate and many use it almost every day.  Some of it is because we want to farm smarter and some of it is because  Regional councils are now requiring the use of water metering, soil moisture probes, etc.  There isn't a standard policy across all, but the more pro active councils are requiring this because in some cases such as water metering, (non irrigation takes) they just don't know what is being taken. 

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Yes, about time such non-irrigation takes were metred, as the consents have conditions associated with them that simply were not being monitored previosuly.

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Taking of stock water is a permitted activity where I farm Kate - you don't need a consent per se to do that.  ;-) There are some water takes, such as those with a high iron content, where a standard water meter just won't last. To give them credit our RC takes a commonsense approach to metering in those situations.  I find it quite interesting to receive and get all this data, the question sometimes though is who owns the data? 

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Clarity is an interesting one especially when the NIWA report states: The Waimakariri river is unsuitable for contact recreation (ranking 72nd and 76th at two sites) because, despite fairly low e-coli, its water has low clarity for purely natural reasons - glacial flour from alpine headwaters.  So what do the Greens want to be done about the Waimak - a giant filter installed to take out the glacial flour??

https://www.niwa.co.nz/sites/niwa.co.nz/files/import/attachments/Suitab…

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For those with skin in the game, here's a useful resource:  note its recency, and the fact that there's nothing like it in NZ.

 

Yet.

 

If there Is, pray point to it.

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Thanks waymad.  :-)  Farmers, via new technology are now amassing increasing amounts of data from their farming management system.  While some organisations ask if you will share it, others see it as their right to have it. OpenAg looks interesting......

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Yes, most gear has the capacity for amazing data storage now, and later data-mining pulls up some very surprising correlations.  Two I recall from my MBA days where a Gough's guy was in the course:  (Caterpillar has analysed telemetered gear for two decades now and I have a soft spot for Cat gear);

  • Main indicator of engine life?  Not oil change frequency, filter changes, load, environment, anything obvious like that.  Turns out to be the volume of fuel consumed.
  • Transmissions?  Forget load, dust, vibration, oil changes etc.  Number of shifts.

 

Big Data and many. many sensors, is how much of the current blather about Who's doing What to Which environment, will be resolved.  And like the basis of those unintuitive Cat correlations, there will be Real Data to work with, and there will, I expect, be some similarly surprising conclusions once it's analysed.

 

Another Big Ag Data piece for your delectation....

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