
New Zealand’s businesses and policymakers have become paralyzed by a culture of risk-aversion which is stifling economic growth and creativity.
That was the key theme in many of the speeches at Waikato University’s annual economic forum, held in Hamilton last week. Again and again, speakers argued that New Zealand needs to take more risks.
Waikato has hosted the New Zealand Economics Forum for the past five years. It is a loosely conservative policy conference run by the university’s Management School.
Many of the panels were moderated by former National Party minister Steven Joyce, a strategic advisor and lobbyist for the university, while the guest of honor was former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
But it wasn’t just blue suits in the room. Former Green Party co-leader James Shaw also attended, along with former Labour ministers Andrew Little and Nanaia Mahuta (Ngāti Maniapoto).
Finance Minister Nicola Willis was the only sitting MP to attend, opening the conference with the release of an 80-point list of the coalition’s economic growth policies.
She told attendees that political leaders worldwide were being “compelled to act more boldly than they have for several decades.”
“From the United Kingdom, to the European Union, to China, to the United States, there is a growing realisation that growth must be fought for and that, even once achieved, can easily slide away,” she said.
Willis argued that Kiwi businesses had been too slow to invest in technology to boost productivity and promised to tear down any barriers to competition.
She made a direct appeal to international supermarket chains, which have so far seemed to conclude that entering the New Zealand market isn’t worth the trouble.
Potential entrants worry about securing resource consent, obtaining overseas investment approval, finding viable supermarket sites, and avoiding vexatious litigation.
"My whole objective is to reduce the risks they face. Because right now, if someone wants to enter our market, they look at it and they say, that's too risky,” Willis told reporters.
It is this risk-aversion that enables the supermarket duopoly to charge higher prices, resulting in an estimated $372 million of extra profits annually.
A similar story is unfolding in the banking sector, which reform activists described last week as having become “fat, dumb, and lazy” due to the lack of competition.
Quit your knitting
During an economist panel discussion, Infometrics chief executive Brad Olsen said businesses were overly incentivised to “stick to their knitting” and do nothing new.
This was partly due to the pandemic but was part of a long-term trend where businesses were more comfortable defending their patch, rather than expanding or innovating.
“You need to be making businesses almost fearful of standing still and doing nothing, because their competitors are going to come and bite them on the butt. That's where you start to get people to do things, start to take some risks,” he said.
“Risk is not a bad thing. It's just a tolerance level, and I feel like the tolerance level is too low”.
Kent Duston, an economic consultant and convenor of The Banking Reform Coalition, said ANZ had invested so little in its core technology systems that they had depreciated to zero—meaning the bank regarded its own system as completely worthless.
That’s not the behaviour of a business which worries a competitor might be about to bite a chunk out of its $2 billion butt.
Another example of risk aversion came from the artificial intelligence (AI) panel, where New Zealand’s fall from 9th to 40th in global AI adoption rankings was cited as a sign of the country’s willingness to watch from the sidelines.
Joyce—who once held the economic development and finance portfolios—said the Reserve Bank’s capital adequacy requirements were another symptom of New Zealand’s risk-averse culture.
“Most of the world's happy with a 1-in-100 years risk, and that's what the central banks have put in place in terms of capital requirements for banks to hold. In New Zealand, the Reserve Bank has gone for 1-in-200 years,” he said.
“We can debate whether there are too many banks or not enough banks. But what is clear, is that these prudential requirements probably means [the system] is biased against businesses starting up in this country”.
Olsen questioned whether the Reserve Bank needed full independence on regulatory issues, as it does with monetary policy, or if the government should set risk tolerances directly.
That’s a question you’re likely to hear again, as a growing consensus supports relaxing capital requirements—but the risk-averse RBNZ won’t be keen to follow suit.
Risk obsessed
Brian Roche, the new Public Service Commissioner, said this type of unwillingness had taken over the public sector, which had become obsessed with minimizing risk.
“The historic mythology of ‘gliding on’ is a mythology. People work hard and they're doing their best … but I'm also struck by the fact that a lot of things happen despite the system, not because people are enabled by it,” he said.
Accepting “suboptimal” systems was disempowering, and passivity was a learned behavior that needed to be unlearned. Roche said he wanted simpler processes, empowered frontline staff, and more responsive, innovative agencies.
"Risk has become an overly dominant feature of discussion," he said. "If we focused on creating value as much as we manage risk, what would that look like? What impact would it have on our productivity?"
Roche said risk was an unavoidable fact of life, and the public service’s obsession with eliminating it has led to "too many layers of management and meetings that can stifle and even kill action in progress."
"As we well know, the risk of doing nothing is often greater than the risk of action, so we need to move from avoiding risk to proactively managing it”.
Roche wants public servants to feel empowered to challenge the status quo, be curious, try new approaches, and experiment—without fear of public ridicule for making mistakes.
200-years of caution
Ian Rennie, who has been put in charge of the Treasury, made similar comments about wanting a culture of curiosity, dynamism, and a willingness to tackle complex challenges—rather than being overly cautious or incremental.
"When I came into the public sector, it was, in some ways, a very crazy time; policy reform on steroids. All kinds of great stuff was done, but also some weak stuff as well," he said, during a question-and-answer session.
“Now I work with colleagues who are as bright, or brighter, than my generation, but they’ve come into a world where thinking about change takes more time and is more incremental,” he said.
Rennie said the Treasury had been operating as an agency since 1840 and would soon start its third century. However, his speech outlining his vision for that century was fairly vanilla.
A former cabinet minister leaned over to me afterward and said, "That sounded like a speech any Treasury Secretary since 1840 could have given."
Robert MacCulloch, professor of macroeconomics at Auckland University, was highly critical of these speakers, whom he saw as the architects of the very stagnation they condemned.
“Waikato's speakers are not symbols of the types of people required to take NZ forward — who are genuinely interested in unconstrained thinking… [Willis] cannot pretend she wants change when not a single one of her appointments intends to disrupt the old order,” he wrote in a scathing blog post.
MacCulloch is right that these people are not innovative risk-takers; they are career bureaucrats adjusting to the latest political winds. But that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of getting the job done.
The talk-fest that is the Waikato Economics Forum may have diagnosed the problem—not enough risks—but now we need its attendees and speakers to get out there and take some.
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It'll probably have something to do with it, but probably not as much as people like to think.
You've mentioned other factors recently also. And this subject as a whole now, repeatedly for years.
I'm not very convinced there's much of an overlap between "people who want to buy a rental" and "people who want to start a business".
"people who want to start a business".
All we ask for foreign property buyers is that they put there money into managed funds, not actually take real get your hands dirty start a business activity risk. Ma and Pa property investors may have some interest in these funds, they probably do not even know about these opportunities. They do not have the same tax treatment, but they have solid returns.
If its good enough for Johney foreigner, surely its a good match for successful NZers?
I want to start a business, but i need equity to secure a loan, so I bought a rental. Tax deductibility of interest was removed screwing up the cashflow from the rental. This meant that I had to pivot from looking to start a business to just holding onto the rental whilst waiting for more business friendly rules. It looks like tax deductibility of interest will be restored in 2027. I am now looking at sites and investigating supply chain options and doing the math on viability so that i can hit the ground running after the restoration of tax deductibility of interest and the 2027 election. Starting my business only to have cashflow needing to be directed back into the rental ( Due to adverse government policy) in the early stages, when the business itself might be operating at a loss whilst we build a customer base is terrifying. Caution is prudent given that the New Zealand government has been known to shoot from the hip with little to no consultation or meaningful advance warning. Even if this government does not do that, it could be replaced by one that might. Investments that take 10 - 15 ish years to recover the cost from require that any prudent individual give it the best possible chance of success. A bit like waiting for a clear stretch of highway before passing another car, I feel like I need to wait for the next election results so that I know if we will have a stable regulatory environment ( clear stretch of highway ) for the early years of the business. I could not start it after the previous election as whilst I had the equity for a bank loan courtesy of the prior government, the cashflow was not present ( due to tax deductibility of interest being removed ) and I had to top up the mortgage ( albeit a small amount ). The absence of secure cashflow such as that which you can get from a rental tends to make banks less keen to lend money, regardless of your equity position.
resulting in an estimated $372 million of extra profits annually.
It's always a good reminder that while we're talking about being ripped off by supermarkets, the amount we're being ripped off is about 20 cents per day, per person.
That's not a very attractive proposition for a new entrant.
Focusing anger on the supermarkets doesn't really stand up to economic scrutiny or to a basic sanity check (weekly food costs come to a few hours work on minimum wage, an unbelievable deal compared to 99% of human history and even much of today's world.)
Income tax and housing costs are what are actually making kiwis feel stretched. Many people will be losing literally100 times more to their landlord or mortgagor's unearned takings than to supermarket profiteering. And even more to the taxman, who always comes after productive workers first. No doubt the banks and rentiers of every kind are very happy for conversation to keep revolving around the supermarkets.
In this case it is also GST. People see that milk, bread and meat are about 15% cheaper in Aus and focus their anger on the supermarkets. But that price difference is simply because the Aussie government doesn't charge GST on basic food items, so the anger should be directed at our government. Yet I don't hear Nicola Willis wanting to change GST on food...
Exactly. If you compete to the point that you cut something like $1 off an average shop, there won't be any extra profits compared to overseas and you will make the same profit margin from your tiny NZ supermarket chain as you do off a massive US chain. Why bother?
Public sector risk aversion is the worst combination of busybody behaviour and attempting to achieve safety in numbers. All the middle managers want to have their say/veto everything. But they’re unwilling to do anything unless it’s been approved by other managers who can take a share in the blame.
Changing processes won’t fix anything, as there’s too many toxic incompetent people. Though I haven’t worked in it since David S’s doge afuera. Hopefully it’s changed.
Here is New Zealand's "Public Policy Responsibility Flowchart" drawing the lines of responsibility between Ministers, departments, and major sectors of the economy. And a country of roughly the same size, Norway.
Acknowledgement NZ initiative / TPU
Also easier to keep things simple when one is arranged by alphabetical order and the other is arranged in context.
They didn't need to make the NZ graph look worse, it is worse, but dressing it up to look worse than it is doesn't give me confidence in whoever made these graphs and makes me wonder what they may of left out.
Agree. As I said, theyre not my charts & I'd welcome any more coherent layout versions of the nz one if anyone can locate such.
I suspect that NZ is still a self serving, conflict & accountability avoiding mess no matter what presentation gloss is applied.
Edit: this analysis appears to be useful context
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350164796/heres-what-our-63000-public-s…
The chart does seem to be disingenuous because for example the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Norway actually has the following Departments.
Also, notice how Immigration does not appear at all on the Norwegian chart. Do they not have an Immigration portfolio????
- Department for European Affairs and International Trade
- Department for Security Policy and the High North
- Department for Regional Affairs
- Department for Multilateral Affairs
- Department for Sustainable Development
- Department for Culture, Business Relations and Protocol
- Legal Affairs Department
- Human and Financial Resources Department
- Services Department
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_(Norway)
Good chart. This is why we voted for National, with Christopher Luxon running the show. He's got the much needed corporate world experience.
You used to work for him aye? Can you send him a text and find out when/if he plans on tidying up this reporting line mess?
I never worked for him. For a couple of years (when he was a new marketing grad entry before his promotions) we worked in the same company (Unilever) in different functional & occaisionally overlapping areas.
Unlike many new grads he was approachable, not up himself & AFAIK had good interpersonal relationships with all the people he interacted with.
Unlike many new grads he was approachable, not up himself & AFAIK had good interpersonal relationships with all the people he interacted with.
This is a good disposition to have at a company like Unilever. Given that it's a relatively difficult company to enter, you have plenty of ego to contend with. And essentially the FMCG business is not about ego. On emotional intelligence, I can understand why Luxo went far in Unilever.
Potential entrants worry about securing resource consent, obtaining overseas investment approval, finding viable supermarket sites, and avoiding vexatious litigation.
Wrong. Why would a company like ALDI enter Aotearoa with a high cost to serve - we have high cost structures from production to supply chain to retail - and a relatively low addressable market? It doesn't make sense on ROI and ROE (effort).
Nicola didn't seem to learn much about 'business' during her time at Fonterra. Which makes you ask questions about Fonterra as well - why do people like Nicola get put in high positions in the company? For schmoozing?
I don't see any major foreign investment coming into NZ, in the core retail sector or otherwise, without generous taxpayer subsidies. As you rightly pointed out, the cost of doing business across the board has soared to unjustifiable levels.
The skill exodus to Aussie may have something to do with this, but the government would rather stick its head in the sand about that major crisis.
I don't see any major foreign investment coming into NZ, in the core retail sector or otherwise
Carrefour and Walmart both failed in Japan, yet most of the roadblocks that Nicola mentions are less onerous in Japan than in Aotearoa.
Considering this and the points that I mentioned, why would any major retailer see Aotearoa as a prime opportunity?
Supermarket food isn't particularly expensive here. Its the GST that makes it look that way.
They can build one ikea store, have a virtual monopoly on cheap furniture, and have half the country buy their furniture from them all with a better margin than overseas. Or they could build an entire chain of supermarkets, suppliers, etc, compete with the duopoly who will lower their prices, and get the same margin as overseas.
Many of the panels were moderated by former National Party minister Steven Joyce, a strategic advisor and lobbyist for the university, while the guest of honor was former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
But it wasn’t just blue suits in the room. Former Green Party co-leader James Shaw also attended, along with former Labour ministers Andrew Little and Nanaia Mahuta (Ngāti Maniapoto).
Good grief. Joyce, Scomo, Shaw, Little, and Mahuta are our economic and business visionaries.
Reality is that this is one big post-political grift.
And therein lies the problem. Whoever creates the profits talks at the business summit.
If markets are competitive and innovative, it's billionaire founders who have built new products, created new markets, or generally just crushed the competition who do the talking.
If barriers to entry and the costs of doing business are high, it's politicians doing the chinwagging.
Joyce—who once held the economic development and finance portfolios—said the Reserve Bank’s capital adequacy requirements were another symptom of New Zealand’s risk-averse culture.
It doesn't matter what the RBNZs settings are if the private banks don't want to invest in anything other than bricks and mortar. Want to borrow some money to invest in equipment for future growth?
- Do you have a property we can use as collateral? No..
- Do you have a TD we can use as collateral? No...
- Sorry, we're not interested in your cashflow and business case.
The only regulation that will fix the banks unwillingness to lend for new or expanding enterprise would be to remove their access to the gravy train - I.e. remove the credit creation ability we gave them ~40 years ago.
They are just not optimized for what they consider non core lending credit approval process.
And the dedicated resources required to access a non core request costs them a lot, thereby reducing the viability of smaller applications. At pure startup level you will have already spent seed money, you then approach The Icehouse etc as you are not looking for a loan, you are selling equity.
This is growth growth growth... While the banks (BNZ) work with IceHouse they are not contributors as the risk is considered to high. (they take very small % interest sometimes i believe)
So in NZ we have a small startup funding eco systems and an even smaller seed capital system (friends and familly) , but we have 360 bil lent on property. becasue of this so many of our young STEM grads go overseas where there is mature startup eco system, and while they are not major founders they can take part as early entrants with small equity positions in the offshore startups. Grads just do not get offered options or equity in NZ in most situations.
you get what you deserve.
Exactly. In my own case I had a friend who was willing to invest in my business in the early days. The bank wouldn't even give me a business credit card.
It took me 10 years to be able to borrow from the bank with the business as security.
Access to funding speeds growth immeasurably.
I bet Willis didn't talk about how one of the biggest stoppers for risk and change, is the needlessly belligerent political environment. You know, where one party gets into power, then throws everything out that the last party did, simply because they did it, with no thoughts to the merits of that policy or piece of infrastructure etc.
No, she wouldn't have said that, because then she would have to examine her own decisions.
But its not just her, our short term political whims means investment in anything is hard. Because we don't know if in 2 years time, the next party will just throw their toys and throw everything out. For example, if Labour wanted to introduce, say, a clean car discount so that we lessened our climate change impact and made the country cleaner, I might build a business around that. But actually I won't, because I know in 2 years time National is likely to throw it out. Or a businesses around transporting freight efficiently across Cook Straight, knowing we are going to get good ferries soon, same thing. Or if National decides its going to sensibly ramp down some restrictions in the RMA and I might build my business around that. But actually I won't, because I know in 2 years time the next lot will just decide everything the last lot did is bad and reverse it all.
Our politicians need to grow up. They need to accept the good from the last lot in power and accept they have some good ideas. Not this stupid polarised policy idiocy we have going on currently.
I think a lot of smart young people have realised where the opportunity is and have left accordingly. Many will return and bring back knowledge, capital and experience, as many have over the centuries, but it’s on a bigger scale now. We seem to look on our traditional past industries to save the day but these are waning and will keep declining, but still be important.
Having children doing this all over the globe, they and their friends now see Australia and NZ as one country (still proud Kiwis!!). If it’s career Australia will be home, if it’s more lifestyle NZ will be. They are all sick and tired of populist policies, on all sides, that do not reflect science and reality (note to grumpy boomers - and I’m one but trying hard to not be grumpy but grateful).
Overseas investment via KiwiSaver and other voluntary investment is rapidly on the rise and will in time, I believe, be one of, if not the largest, earner of wealth for the country. It’s really doing to others what they have done to us for the last 200 years and constantly bemoaned - are we slow learners?
Note : I have Swiss rellies here at the moment and if you think buying a house is hard here, finding a doctor, short of teachers etc they are in the same place and worse on some.
Not smart, Jack, just uninformed.
By those who could have informed them and indeed are in a position to do so.
But those people regurgitate, unchallenged. It's not risk-taking we need - it's degrowth-addressing. Pity a university has a faculty which continues to choose blindness, and a pity they don't get challenged. Gravy train upon gravy train - Upton Sinclair got it dead right.
How many billions of dollars and also how many lives have gone down the sinkhole because of the leaky homes debacle, or because we built on flood prone or seismically unstable land. How well did we regulate the mezzanine finance companies?
I wish we'd been more risk averse rather than saying Yes all the time.
Regulation is always running behind an industry that can constantly think up new ways to build poorly in order to make a buck more profit.
What might help is less regulation and more personal responsibility (like we advocate for the poors).
If companies and their people had to stand behind what they build, we'd see less outsourcing of the costs of crap work onto the taxpayer and ratepayer, and thus less need for regulation to try to prevent them from building crap.
I have money to invest in business here in NZ. My main assessment of risks are a government that has changed the regulations regarding my businesses in the past without consulting the sectors involved. Local council rules which create the concern for being criminalised by their excess. A high cost of land use and housing with a shortage of property and endless council regulations, uncertainty, delay and taxes and in addition. Sadly New Zealand is hamstrung by the profits and the repayments of some $370 billion in property debt and unless squabbling over housing stops and until this is not seen as the way to get ahead with people realising productive business is we are doomed. I won't invest in a broken system that is set up to support itself on my productive effort and it is likely that others feel this way too. Fix the system and the productivity will follow. No one will build an ice cream factory in hell.
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