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Chris Trotter looks at whether Christopher Luxon's corporate leadership style can cut it in politics

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Chris Trotter looks at whether Christopher Luxon's corporate leadership style can cut it in politics
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Chris Luxon by Ross Payne.

By Chris Trotter*

Leadership. The corporate world is obsessed by it. In the absence of strong corporate leadership an adequate return on the shareholders’ investment cannot be guaranteed. Poor corporate management can lead to poor dividends, lower share prices, disinvestment and, ultimately, disaster. That’s why corporate leadership matters. In theory, anyway.

Many critics of contemporary capitalism argue that corporate managers exercise excessive influence over the businesses they run. That neither the corporate board, nor the shareholders, any longer exert any real influence over the management – until it’s much too late. Poor corporate leadership can, indeed, lead to failure, but the price paid by bad leaders is often in inverse proportion to the size of the disasters for which they are responsible. When they leave the scene of their managerial crimes, it is only very rarely that they depart empty-handed.

Poor corporate leadership is seldom punished.

Poor political leadership, by contrast, is almost always rewarded with the Order of the Boot.

The reason lies in the very different kind of power that corporate leaders wield. Corporations are permanent hierarchies in which vacancies are filled from the top down. Political leadership works from the bottom-up. If corporate leaders are measured against the power and wealth of the corporations they command, then political leaders are judged by the number and enthusiasm of their followers.

It’s the only definition of leadership that makes any sense in the world most people live in – which is not the corporate world. A leader has followers. If a person lacks followers, then they are not – by the reckoning of most human-beings – leaders. The other real world distinction between corporate and political leaders is that the former have power given to them, while the latter take it for themselves.

It is why all the books written about corporate leadership ring so hollow. The behaviour prescribed for leaders in these breathless volumes is the behaviour of a successful courtier – and the only power successful courtiers wield is the power given to them by their sovereign. A courtier retains power by retaining the confidence of the person at the very summit of the hierarchy. Political chiefs stay at the top only for as long as those below them are willing to trust and follow “their” leader. Without the trust and confidence of their followers, political leaders are powerless.

Christopher Luxon has plenty of experience in the intricacies of corporate leadership. He knows what must be done to retain the support of those above him. His successful career as a corporate executive amply confirms that he has mastered the politics of hierarchy. But, New Zealanders are still awaiting confirmation that Luxon has successfully transitioned from the politics of the boardroom to the politics of the caucus-room. Does he fully grasp, even now, that it is only the support of National’s MPs – along with the more than a million party followers who elected them – that keeps him in the top job?

Luxon became the parliamentary leader of the National Party in November 2021. Not, it must be said, after a strong and successful demonstration of his political leadership skills – particularly those relating to the attraction and retention of followers – but because the National Caucus had run out of options.

Bill English, the man who had led them to a Party Vote of 44% in the 2017 General Election, while an excellent Finance Minister, and a deep political thinker, had never quite managed to convince himself that he had what it took to lead the NZ National Party. A great pity, because it is one of the ineluctable rules of democratic politics that politicians who doubt themselves find it extremely difficult to convince others.

English’s replacement, Simon Bridges, appeared equally plagued by doubts. At times he seemed like a nervous adolescent, heading-out with his stylish girlfriend for the end-of-year school ball, wearing his father’s suit. Leadership of the National Party never quite seemed to fit Bridges: it was always too big for him.

Bridges nemesis, Todd Muller turned out to be living proof of “Dirty Harry’s” warning that “A man’s got to know his limitations.” Like Labour’s disastrous leader, David Cunliffe, Muller proved himself to be much more adept at winning the leadership of his party than wielding it. The difference being, Muller took only a few weeks to realise that he was completely out of his depth. A conclusion not reached by Cunliffe, even after winning just 25% of the Party Vote!

Muller’s replacement, Judith Collins, had long been hungry for the leadership of her party – and her country. It was just that her preferred means of getting there, beneath the daunting mask of “Crusher”, put off a great many more voters than it attracted. The New Zealand electorate has, over the years, displayed a worrying willingness to elect frightening male leaders. Scary female leaders, with the obvious exception of Helen Clark, have enjoyed considerably less success. National’s terrible showing in the 2020 General Election (25%) dissolved what little was left of Collins’ political judgement – along with the confidence of her caucus colleagues.

And that just left the man acknowledged by all to be the preferred option of National’s most successful leader since Keith Holyoake – John Key. Never mind that Christopher Luxon had been a Member of Parliament for barely a year, his successful career as a corporate leader – as CEO of Air NZ – was deemed to be more than sufficient preparation for the job of Leader of the Opposition.

But was it, really? Luxon had been seized upon by his fellow Nats with the same desperation as the drowning man seizes upon a lifebuoy. He was new, he was fresh, he had a bright smile and he wore a suit like the boss he had been. But, unlike his patron, Luxon never quite understood that voters are not employees. You can’t just instruct them to vote for you and your party; you have got to give them a reason for voting that way. In a democracy, politicians cannot simply demand people’s votes, they have to earn them.

Yes, yes, yes: National won 1,085,016 Party Votes in 2023, which is a great deal more than Judith Collin’s 738,275 in 2020, but, Luxon’s 38.6% of the Party Vote falls a long way short of Key’s winning percentage of 44.6 in 2008.

That’s because Key, unlike Luxon, had spent two years giving New Zealanders a reason to vote for him. Speech by speech, stunt by stunt, goofy-grin by goofy-grin, Key had done what all political leaders do – he had gone out and got himself some followers. Key may have been a highly successful player in the grand financial casino, but he knew the difference between corporate and political leadership. The electorate doesn’t vote for designations, it votes for ideas. 38.6% is what Christopher Luxon got for not being Chris Hipkins. It isn’t enough.

And it’s not at all clear, yet, what Luxon’s ideas are. He had very little that was inspiring to say before the election, and he has had virtually nothing even interesting to say after it. The man doesn’t yet seem to understand that he hasn’t been appointed to lead New Zealand, he’s been elected. There’s a difference.

A political leader would have used the three weeks between Polling Day and the counting of the Special Votes to talk to New Zealanders. There were horrors in Israel and Gaza. There were things to say about Te Tiriti and Democracy. About economics and security. About a world gripped by multiple crises, and about the Prime-Minister-Elect’s confidence that New Zealand would get through them all. Because this, the country he has been given the extraordinary privilege to lead, is a remarkable place, filled with remarkable people.

He could then have strode into those coalition talks, and David Seymour and Winston Peters would have risen from their seats and applauded – the nation’s leader.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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CT skips lightly over the real issue with corporate leadership - that of where the priorities lie. In a 'free market' world shareholder value has become the priority, through share price and its increase. For some companies profitability doesn't even seem to count much. Little weight is given to being a responsible societal citizen (but companies still exist and operate within societies), or even considering non-shareholding stakeholders (like employees, but extending into the very societies within which they operate). 

So the big question is can Luxon understand the shift in his priorities? His rhetoric suggests he can, but in politics delivery is an altogether different matter. It looks like Winnie is working hard to dial back some of his more radical policies but we'll have to wait to get the more definitive perspective of that one. But that suggests Luxon's perspective might still be a little too much corporate and not enough democratic. Time will tell.

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Policies have now been agreed on, just need to sort out the ministerial positions. 

A nice essay by Chris Trotter, but it's clear that he has a negative view on Luxon, and wanted to put the boot in. Your comment is more measured. 

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Luxon had not bothered to find out about Winston Peters or David Seymour. May be his Secretary did not produce a position paper on them. Now he is just winging it, on a day to day basis. What little policy positions Luxon has pronounced, I think, are not his own thoughts. But given to him by other functionaries or National big wigs, may be even Key. He has a lot to learn on the job. Especially with Peters and Seymour breathing down his neck for the next 3 years. 

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The Key government tried to be both, ie politically create Corporate New Zealand Inc. Worked for a time too until the electorate, Joe Blow on the street etc, realised that they had become only as important as any minority shareholder in any large corporate.  From there Bridges went to leadership too early (he might have been a success now though,) Muller thought only  to revert to 2008 -2014, and then Collins ill suited anyway,  had no chance given the stuff flying off the wheel around her. The emergence of Luxon was a bare cupboard  choice and with the repeated emphasis on his celebrated corporate success, it is very much certain that the electorate has inserted WP/NZF into the mix precisely to harness any motivation for National to pick up the reins and recommence on Corporate New Zealand.

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I was amused when he referred to the waiting journo wolves; alright ,team. Even Patting one on the back. The same one Peters gave the spinning top too, I think.

 

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Your comment presents as a little cynical (an observation, not criticism), but I think his choice to use that term might be telling of a positive mindset (I might be being too naive here too).

There are a couple of possibilities; one that he recognises that the media are an important component of a functioning democracy, especially an enquiring and challenging one, or that he is on the pathway to coopt them to be his stooges which we generally realise the media is too often very willing to just parrot what they are told and not consider its meaning and challenge it. 

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My experience of the use of the term team probably makes me cynical . One use is when your emailing a organisation , where you don't know who your actually talking to.Its kinda a backhanded compliment to small organisations , suggesting what may be a one or 2 person "team ", is something bigger , and its a way of trying to  include yourself in that team.We're working on this together. 

The other way its used is to coopt people into been part of something that they are not paid for , and might not be in there personal best interest.

Take one for the team kind of thing.  

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I wonder if a more savvy political leader would also be keeping the Greens as a bargaining ploy. 

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National using the Greens to form a government would be like using engine oil on your bbq.

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it wouldnt be to form a govt , it would be to give confidence and supply in exchange for some environmental wins. Or at least minimising the damage ACT will want to do. 

It would give National someone to blame for the work it has to do , wether it likes it or not. 

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"It would give National someone to blame for the work it has to do , whether it likes it or not."

They have ACT for that.

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Yes , and what wthe nts would agree on ith the Greens would not please ACT, i suspect. 

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There is very little "leadership" these days.

Current executive/C-Suite thinking involves using highly suspect criteria to blindly command those below.

They hope for the best, usually don't achieve it and rotate through to the next plum placement via the old boys network.

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There's a lot of commentators (including Trotter) who flaunt their expertise in modern multinational corporations, despite never having worked in any & therefore having absolutely no idea.

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Anyone who has been an employee generally has some idea of the general malaise that infects business.

Further, a lot of the issues are so blantantly obvious that anyone who cares to look, will see them.

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You mean in the same way as some  corporate and political leaders are experts on people living on minimum wage despite never having been there.

Of course we had a prime minister who had worked in a chippie and was despised by many for it.

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Our new PM worked for a multi national corporate 'chippie' (McDonalds)...so he is applauded for it.

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The confidential negotiation approach has backfired and he seems unwilling to confront any external events that might distract his purpose. In any case the vision for NZ is backwards…would love to replicate Key but today’s social instability and complex economic challenges will thwart him. Wonder how many would reconsider their vote if another election were required?

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A brief summary of what NZ govt did since 2000

1. Clark -- Sign FTA with China, close AUS doors for Kiwis, KiwiSaver

2. Key -- hmm not sure what, lots of people migrating to NZ, selling lots of houses?

3. Ardern -- Covid lockdown (save lives), push Maorication all over NZ

4. Luxon -- hmm what can be done?

 

NZ in 2000 is a much cheaper country to live in than in 2023.

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Curled up in that though one salient factor that came to the fore in this latest election.

(1) The Clark government realised the racial and social risks inherent in UNDRIP.

(2) The Key government didn’t.

(3) The Ardern government wilfully  developed & demonstrated (1)

(4) The Luxon, Seymour, Peters government ???

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Clark/Key/Ardern - Lots of people migrating to NZ, selling lots of houses?

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Under Key, He navigated through the 2008 GFC by reducing income tax, raise GST. then 2010 CHCH earthquake, then key pushed CPTPP.

also, under Clark and Ardern, NZ house prices increases much faster than under Key.  

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Right wing governments usually get voted in during times of economic hardship. I guess that is the time when people are more focused on themselves, than helping others.

House prices rise mostly by the economic climate of the time, not who is in government.

However government policies do have an effect. Giving tax breaks for landlords and allowing sales of property overseas is not a 4D chess move. It is brazenly encouraging house prices to rise and landlords to expand their holdings.

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Excuse me you've said 'tax breaks for landlords', when I believe you meant to say 'restore generally accepted accounting principles for landlords'. 

 

 

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A certain amount of tax is required to be collected to run the Government/Country. Any change to the current tax settings creates winners and losers. There is no truly 'neutral' or 'perfect' tax setting. The winners in the case of the latest proposals are landlords. That is not a mistake, nor is it a moral stance. link. If you feel the landlords are truly in need of a helping hand from the government then lets hear why. 'Restoring principles' is as much of a reasoned argument as 'Getting the country back on track' is.

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Is that like the generally globally accepted practice of taxing capital gains...or do we just look at the ones that suit us personally?

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Yes, interest been deductable would be fair if the capital gain was taxed.

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Can FHBs use these same accounting principals?

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If they run it as a business then yes they can.

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And as a business, they should also pay commercial rates of interest.

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Generally accepted accounting principles ripe for abuse because unlike other businesses, landlords can generally survive with zero cashflow because it's a) not a full time job and b) negative gearing in the short term generally leads to capital gains in the long term.  Therefore, these "tax breaks" are given to people who may never actually end up paying tax, unlike real businesses with PAYE and because real businesses have less certainty around cashflow they will generally aim for profit, not break even.  

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There are lots of accounting principles that are different when it comes to tax. That's why accountants have things such as deferred tax calcs. So what your saying is complete bollocks.

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It is a well established accounting principle that a business proprietor and his business are separate entities: it is referred to as "the Entity Convention". But businesses don't borrow; proprietors, and landlords, borrow and, of course, they may invest in a business. Therefor interest on borrowings is a personal expense, not a business expense, so it should not be deductible.

It is the proprietor who benefits from obtaining a loan since he thereby able to invest, and own, a business. And it makes no difference to the business to the business whether the capital invested in it is borrowed or supplied from the investor's own resources: the revenue that the business receives will be about the same either way.

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Form a business, or pay your personal expenses. Simple.

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The first thing that he should learn is that a governments finances are not the same as those of a corporation and don't operate in the same manner and that they also have entirely different objectives.

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And yet the voting public of NZ Inc. believes they are the same. Is it any wonder NZ Inc is falling further and further behind?

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Even if interest is not theoretically deductible a government may allow it to be treated as deductible in the interests of encouraging production. However this privilege should not apply to interest paid in respect of rental businesses as these are not productive. A rental business merely exploits pre-existing assets rather than produce any new value.

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Different objectives perhaps (who would know what any particular administrations objects are)...but the financing is largely the same, lose the confidence of the markets and you have to rely entirely on your own abilities.....and in NZs case that is a frightening prospect (currently)

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Yes they are tread. Having had experience in both, Government finances are significantly easier than corporate finances. A couple of easy differences to identify, your revenue is gained via coercion, you don’t have to earn it. You can borrow whenever you like to a large degree, and pretty much as much as you like, whereas corporates cannot. In the corporate world, your expenses are generally rigidly policed, and outcomes are expected, in Government (see the last Government particularly) you can spend as much as you want for no, or worse outcomes, then PR it away. A bit more corporate type accountability and control will do NZ a world of good.

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A political leader would have used the three weeks between Polling Day and the counting of the Special Votes to talk to New Zealanders.

Indeed.  Perfect opportunity to engender trust and demonstrate diplomacy and leadership.

I think he got 'spooked' by Winston - who came straight out-of-the-block the morning after the election and said in no uncertain terms: taihoa.  He said anyone who started making plans or espousing thoughts about the future government before all the votes were counted was stupid - and knew nothing about MMP.

In other words - Winnie scared Luxon off from taking a leadership, commander-in-chief stance from the word go. He's a master politician, for sure.

As Chris Hipkins said, "good luck with that".

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Indicates to me that MMP has scarcely dented the armour of adversarial politics in NZ. National was ill advised and shortsighted to rely on polling that diminished the prospect of WP/NZF being returned to parliament. It is the electorate that determines that,  on election day. This failure to cover the bases so to speak, was little short of hubris. MMP was thought to introduce a consensual element to government but that does not show up in its history in NZ. Instead of embracing it though the political powers continue to try and adapt it to the viewpoint that NZ really only has  a choice of two parties. This election result illustrates, when for the first time two junior parties of sizeable representation are required, it is both novel and difficult to arrive as such, at common ground for a government. 

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I think you're being overly generous to WP. Yes, he has a lot of experience and is a smooth operator but it's really not that complicated. Election night  he was out of the picture and the special votes subsequently went his way. I wouldn't criticise Luxon for the 3 week wait, he really didn't know what he was dealing, like planning a poker game without knowing your cards.

I suspect that talks are held up by a) NZF wanting the foreign buyers ban to continue b) Nats do not want to go down the de-Maorification route.

The Nats need A to pay for tax cuts so that's a significant issue. B will rule National leadership out of any future corporate directorships and global non-Govt roles. They all see politics as a stepping stone to more lucrative work, mark my word.

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I disagree.  Here's what I'd have advised Luxon to do given the results on election night. Immediately begin coalition talks with ACT and have that agreement concluded before specials were counted.  Winston would then have been publicly put in his place as the junior partner, if he wanted to join. 

If he didn't want to join, give him the option of a confidence and supply agreement with a few political concessions - such as his banking and COVID inquiries.  Find him just enough to appease his base by scoring a few electoral wins.

If Winston was not prepared to provide confidence and supply, approach Te Pati Māori first, Greens second and go on to lead the Government as a minority bringing bills to Parliament on a policy-by-policy basis.

 

 

 

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I just really don't see Winston signing up to as the junior member. WP knows he had Luxon over a barrel, he needs him.

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But the point is to prevent him having you over the barrel.  John Key did that with ACT and Te Pati Māori. 

It would make all the sense in the world for National to court a relationship with Te Pati Māori, as they will possibly go on to win all the Māori electorates in the future.  A stronger Māori party also takes votes away from Labour and the Greens.

And all TPM are asking for is tino rangatiratanga/self-determination.  Why so many Pākehā want to "own" the fixing of Māori problems confounds me.  We can see where Māori have achieved self-determination, such as in Kura Kaupapa educational institutions - the outcomes in personal confidence and academic achievement are so markedly improved in comparison to their cohorts in mainstream public schools.

One would have similar hopes for https://www.teakawhaiora.nz/  - again an area of desperate need for improvement in outcomes.

Generally, NZers need to apply a statistical lens, not a racial one, to all these difficult issues within society. Who better to hold to account for these appalling stats than Māori leadership themselves?  The solution is tino rangatiratanga, not the problem. 

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"And all TPM are asking for is tino rangatiratanga/self-determination." I sure you realise just how loaded that statement is Kate? Essentially tosses Article three of the treaty into the trash. And I would argue they want Tino Rangatirotanga for themselves as self appoint rangatira, but I don't see them arguing for it for their people. They want to keep them poor and dependent.

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Article 3 guarantees Māori the same rights as British citizens.  You might be equating that as meaning 'we, as a nation of peoples, are no different now'.  

That is most certainly not what was perceived or intended by either side of the signatories to the Treaty.  Māori have always sought to retain their own tikanga and tribal identities - to this very day.

They did not sign up for assimilation.

 

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"That is most certainly not what was perceived or intended by either side..."

That's incorrect.

Rather than quote the usual contemporary Treaty revisionists self serving entitlements I suggest you reread Sir Apirana Ngata's century old explanation of both Treaty versions which I have previously linked for you.

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Maybe Kate prefers the modern interpretation 

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If this is the article you refer to, I've read it;

https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-NgaTrea-t1-g1-t1.html

Not sure what about it makes you think Māori wanted to be assimilated (i.e., to adopt the tikanga and culture of the Europeans), as this is a very different matter than seeking a governance structure to replace the lawlessness of the day/time and the introduction of guns by European traders.

 

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Apirana Ngata's entitled to his view, but his is a single voice. He certainly did not speak for all Maori.

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Maori, the people, if not the few in the political class, have voted big with their action for assimilation.

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"That is most certainly not what was perceived or intended by either side of the signatories to the Treaty." I would suggest you can't say that Kate. You weren't there, but i would agree that the separatist movement that is emerging today wants it. But there is nothing stopping Maori retaining their own tikanga within NZ law. The problem is imposing it on others. We have Muslims, Chinese, Indians and other cultures all who immigrate here, but retain at least in part some or all or their own cultures and belief systems., and ways of doing things. Maori can do this too, on their marae. 

But I also suggest that article three does envisage a single nation of people united under one set of laws, that apply equally to all people. But consider this; our laws are designed to prevent individuals or groups gaining some form of ascendancy or supremacy over others by virtue of birth. The fundamental principle is egalitarianism where we are all 'equal'. That no group can justify ill treating others because of who they are. That fundamentally is what I believe article three is about. The Maori separatist voices which are getting ever louder clearly think this should not apply to them.

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You keep referring to 'separatist' in terms of what present Maori activists are looking for. To my knowledge, they don't want to cede from the union - that is the meaning  of separatism.  And we do have one law for all and it does apply equally to all.  The health system, for example is not a law - it is a service.  That service has proven to have failed to provide equally good outcomes for Māori as it does for others.  Some aspects of this discrepancy are geographical in nature; some are cultural; some are income-related; some are educationally-related...but whatever the causes, if Māori feel that they can do better using their own knowledge, resources and ways of delivery (informed by tikanga and matauranga Māori) why would NZ want to oppose that?  It is not 'separatist' in the legal sense, it is targeted-service to a specific demographic that is in desperate need, no matter what the reason.

I have worked in the homes, schools and other institutions catering to the disadvantaged, and in particular children from disadvantaged backgrounds.  Perhaps this gives me a greater insight into disadvantage and a knowledge that circumstance often requires a quite different approach to health care. For example, more time is needed to establish rapport and trust and to thoroughly diagnose/treat - more time than a 10-15 minute GP appointment affords.  This is likely one of the things a Māori health provider might do/fund differently.  They might give nurse practitioners working with the Māori health system more responsibilities to perform a wider set of procedures/services than the current one-size-fits-all health system.  The opportunities for difference that would improve outcomes are near endless to my mind.  

 

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I have worked in the Health system Kate, and I can assure you that a great deal of effort has gone into reaching Maori and other low socio economic groups. But I suggest Maori have been the least responsive. They don't want to help themselves. Setting aside the geographic issues, I found that Maori were quite often racist, requiring 'brown skins' to be their providers. In almost every case I saw where Maori accused someone of racism in the Health system it came down to a sense of entitlement and an inability to accept the word 'No'. We had Maori nurses and other clinicians and tried targeted responses. It made no difference at all. But in the end health is a consequence of life style choices for most people. A Maori Health authority will not make any difference.

But my view of the call from Maori radicals is that they want what is essentially race based laws, and we only need to look to South Africa to see how well that went.

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So what type of request did you commonly have to say "no" to?

 

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Most commonly was preferential treatment was what it came down to, but many also tried to dictate to clinicians what their treatment should be, rather than what was needed or would get the best outcomes. But a lot of the common ailments were consequences of lifestyle choices, and required a change of those choices to enable the treatment to be effective, and they were unwilling to change and would blame the clinicians when the treatment was not effective. If the clinicians became too authorative (bluntly truthful), they would often find themselves the subject of complaints which are never pleasant. I understand this problem continues.

The geographical issue is a significant one and affects Maori mostly, but anyone who lives in small towns or remotely. Te Whatu Ora could provide some solutions such as mobile clinics not unlike the mobile dentist facilities and hiring and paying GPs and nurses to travel around towns and rural communities. The costs of this solution would be beyond most if not all DHBs and would need to be funded centrally. Ultimately the goal would be to improve access to healthcare for people who live remotely.

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rather than what was needed or would get the best outcomes.

Herein lie the problem - as it sounds as though in many cases the best outcomes were not achieved in that the treatment was not effective.

In other words, the patient was at fault and whatever the ailment carried on and/or got worse.

It might well have been that what the patient's preferred remedy/treatment was would have produced a better outcome.  This is exactly why targeted services that take into account and accept lifestyle/routines/habits/addictions are what they are, might improve outcomes.

 

 

 

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If he didn't want to join, give him the option of a confidence and supply agreement with a few political concessions

If he wasn't satisfied with a "few concessions" he could sit in the cross benches and simply vote against any National initiatives he disagreed with. National would probably not be able pass any of its policies. Alternatively he could decide to provide Labour with a C&S agreement instead.

It seems to me that Luxon is trying to force Peters to agree to policies that the latter will NEVER agree to. The say that politics is the art of the possible, though Luxon has probably never heard that saying. 

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Every party not in coalition (i.e., not a part of the Executive branch) effectively sits in the cross-benches. The Executive proposes new bills and every party has the choice to support or not. Working in a government minority given the current make up of Parliament, would simply require the Nat/ACT coalition to bring one other party amongst the other four on board for each piece of legislation to pass.  All they need to head off to the GG and say they've formed a government is a C&S with a third party to get them over the line.

I really cannot understand why Luxon's advisors haven't seen this as a better way. Have we ever had a coalition of three parties before?   

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My comment was based on the assumption that Peters would not agree to a C&S agreement with National. I doubt whether any of the parties of the left would agree to such an arrangement either. In that event Luxon would not be able to show the GG that he had sufficient support to be able to form a government. The GG would then ask Hipkins, as Labour was the second largest party, if he could form a government. What would happen then I don't know, though if Hipkins was able and willing to form a government I think Peters would supply the necessary support, since Peters can scarcely afford to have to have to face another election.

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The tax cuts may be significant for National's voting base but I'm not sure people would be overly surprised if they didn't happen straight away. I think that the reversal of the foreign buyers ban is more important in terms of injecting some sort of liquidity stimulus into the housing market given the lack of enthusiasm in the National party elite/Act party for govt spending. The NZ economy needs something to lift it out of the doldrums. 

I watched video recently with Michael Howell - 'Fed's Stealth Liquidity is Fueling a Stock Market Rally'. The maintenance of liquidity by the US Treasury and some foreign central banks is apparently maintaining liquidity in the worldwide market. Ordinary inflation is declining but 'financial' inflation is on the increase. Financial inflation being the inflation of asset prices. 5% interest is the new 1% and doesn't matter very much he says.

We have seen in the recent past that global liquidity will find it's way into New Zealand. The last time this liquidity found it's way in resulted in a lopsided housing and bureaucracy boom with little of the money spent on infrastructure, R & D or new industry. So I'd like to see some of the money spent on energy self-sufficiency (rebuild of the refinery plus pumped hydro), continuation of the transition to greener energy and money spent on sunrise industries suitable for NZ.

National may want to be diverse and not annoy the Maori elite too much but Labour's three waters legislation has really screwed up any new consents for the rural sector, forestry, quarries and industry broadly so it needs to go as soon as possible. The slowdown is already here and the impediments need to be removed before it gets any worse.

If the politicians are sensible there could be something reasonable come out of it. Like a temporary 1 year lifting of the foreign buyers ban for top end real estate in exchange for targeted govt spending. I'd also recommend the revoking of 3 waters, money for Northland (rebuild of the refinery and a motorway to Whangarei) and East Coast infrastructure, energy infrastructure revitilisation, the forming of a new state energy regulator/hub and help for new existing regional industry.

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NZ definately DOESN'T need the housing market to be stimulated!! Thats what got us into this mess.

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Exactly, it's the last thing we need. More money sucked out of productive enterprise and more young people leaving the country. 

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This is how the corporate world works. Get "ink on paper" and then figure out if something can be done. These jokers don't care about the details - that's their minions problem. And if the minions fail to deliver? The minions are at fault - typically lazy and overpaid.

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Luxon does not have the smarts or the communication skills to lead NZ.  He never comes across as authentic.  It's always a slogan or two on repeat.  Hipkins' call for a cease-fire in Gaza sounded like a PM.  Where on earth is Luxon?

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I guess time will tell if Luxon has the skills to lead NZ. But Chipkins sounding like a PM? LOL! He fired off a cheap shot at the incoming government. Do you honestly believe anybody in the rest of the world gives a s - - t about what the ex PM of NZ says? NOT!

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Another reason Hipkins had to go.

A ceasefire?  Why? What do you think that would achieve?

Hamas need exterminating - not given time. 

 

 

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From the civic demonstrations I've watched on the news, it seems Israeli citizens themselves want a ceasefire; Jewish Americans want a ceasefire. 

To use the word exterminate never serves any cause. 

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Id suggest you are watching the wrong media.

And Ill say again, what will be achieved during this ceasefire? A time for Hamas to re-build and escape?

The raped women whilst their babies were cooked in an oven - and forced them to watch.

They cut the breast of young girls and played with them after gang rapes.

Exterminate seems appropriate to me.

Free Palestine - from Hamas. 

 

 

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Any ceasefire will need to come from Hamas first. Israel is only defending itself.

Hamas has proven itself to be pure evil. Israel will hunt them down on that basis alone. 

The Palestinians are caught between two very hard stones. I suspect disavowing Hamas is a quick way to get a death sentence in Gaza. 

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The world has its new baddies huh. I just know we will be able to bomb the terrorism away this time.

Here is a thought experiment. Imagine if Australia said the Maori have been oppressed for too long, and they need their country back so they can be free living in a land with people of only Maori ethnicity and Maori religion. Would the Pakeha (non-Maori New Zealanders) say 'sure thing, I will leave the country and you can have it all'? Or would the Pakeha fight tooth and nail for their land? Fast forward 50 blood filled years, the Maori backed by Australia and its vast mineral wealth have complete ownership of all of the country except Gore and parts of the Canterbury Plains. Worldwide media campaigns spread propaganda about the Pakeha still there - beyond evil they all are, they don't even want Maori-land to exist! Gore is walled off with six metre high walls, and has two million people trapped in it. The Maori government control everything going in and out, and periodically shoot at people over the fence. As a Pakeha born trapped in Gore, what would you think of the situation? How would you react? Would the Maori bombing the hell out of Gore to remove the current thuggish regime make you stop resisting the Maori oppression?

This didn't start on October 7th.

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I would think hey perhaps we can share the country. It's a misnomer to think that Jews and Muslims hate each other. They peacefully co existed before the zionists arrived. The Zionists decided that they could make a Jewish identity that was non-religious, a Nationality, when in fact this is a nonsense. Religious Jews think the Zionists should not be in Israel as only god could grant them the right to return from their exile. They see Zionism as a form of idol worship that is against the Torah.

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You are choosing an extremist argument from truths. You are justifying terrorism. Nothing can justify Hamas attacking civilians and children, no matter how they did it. But as I have also said previously nothing justifies Israels over all actions against Palestinians who have done nothing against them. Personally I suggest Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them from the pedestal of being the victims of the holocaust. I do not understand why they cannot understand the counter view and continue to believe they are justified. Even this morning I heard news reports of Israeli settlers attacking neighbouring Palestinian villages in the occupied territories, using the Hamas attack as justification to perpetrate crimes against innocent civilians.

Your hypothetical example is utter BS. A militant wing of Hamas attacked and murdered women and children to start this. They did so knowing that Israel is not a country known for restraint in defending itself. They did so and then, went and hid behind and under their own people, in and under hospitals and in ambulances, schools and child care centres, knowing what Israel's reaction would be. And from those positions they continued to attack Israel. I do believe Israel could have done this differently, and with a lot less casualties, but in the end Hamas bears more responsibility than anyone else.

The true beginning lies with the UK in 1946-47 when they sought to establish a Jewish homeland without considering the people who already lived there. Anti-semitism was rife even after WW2 when no one wanted the Jews. Now the world is reaping what was sown back then.

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Id suggest you are watching the wrong [propaganda].

 FTFY. I don't think I have seen these event's reported as factual by any of our MSM, which is only the possible standard for truth we could have. Demanding people unquestionably believe foreign government press releases (without an argument or narrative) is deranged especially so during wartime.

Maybe I missed the news cycle where it was the reported that this Israeli government claimed one or more these events occurred but they were never reported as fact and are not mentioned any longer.

I have not even seen the "They cut ... [not repeating] ...es." claim on social media. Have you thought though what you have said if your wrong on these claims.

I would ask you not to provide any links of you think is proof here or at least think about it before you do.

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Thats because NZ media is rubbish, and beholden to the Leftist Hamas apologists.  It was reported in The Australian, and they made it clear they had fact checked it.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/israeli-first-responders-find-a-…

Mr Moskowitz’s testimony, taped on video, was organised by the Hatzalah organisation to obtain first hand accounts of the Hamas atrocities, following disbelief from some critics about the savagery inflicted on the October 7 victims.

It was shared with the Jewish Telegraphic Agency earlier this week. This is the first time the claim that a baby was burned alive inside an oven has emerged, some three weeks after the mass slaughter.

In the days following October 7, The Australian was provided with a photograph of a badly charred body of a baby from Kfar Azar when requesting evidence of the beheadings from that kibbutz.

“They took the baby and put it, literally, in a kitchen oven,” Moskowitz said recalling the judgement of the doctors handling the body.

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It's paywalled. They have a testimony form "a guy" and picture (which if the one that went around is not evidence), 3 weeks after the events. The author might like to to believe these event occurred but nothing in what you quoted is the paper actually saying these events are true. The article opens with "One of the most horrific acts that may[!!] have occurred on October 7...

Where's this fact checking? They could have forensic photos and DNA after 3 weeks. This is wartime propaganda being used to justify far worse.

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And it is becoming clearer that hamas is hiding under hospitals etc. I feel sorry for the Palestinian people.

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In what way is this clear. What's you rational for believing Israeli press releases?

They invaded the hospital and had full access to it and still the press only report this as claims. Think about how much evidence there should be for all these claims if they were true. Should a government that shamelessly indiscriminately carpet bombs civilians have any any assumed moral standing when it comes to telling the truth?

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This is the rid the world of Isis all over again. Hamas are in Gaza, the west bank, Lebanon, Qatar, Cairo and Doha. Levelling Gaza will not rid the world of Hamas, it will kill off a lot of innocent Palestinian people.

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if Hamas is the target, why all those innocent people dead?  how many out of the 14,000 the dead were actually Hamas persons? 

this is massacre on innocent humans, out of hate. 

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Agreed on that one. By killing indiscriminately Israel is just creating the next generation of Hamas.

Imagine in the case of any mass murder in a western country that the military were called in, and in response they blew up the killers family and whole neighborhood. That's effectively what is happening in Gaza 

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Exactly. One gets the impression he's inexperienced in foreign affairs/diplomacy on the international stage and has no one within his ranks capable enough to advise him.  I watched Nanaia Mahuta interviewed on the weekend, and she was brilliant.  

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Brilliant Kate?

I saw her too and came to the conclusion she is still out of touch. But she still spoke better than she did in the staged presentations while in office.

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Out of touch in what subject/way?

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She is an incredible speaker. Don't recall one um or we, and no political slogans/ fillers.

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I agree with this article's view.

I fit the ideal demographics to be a National Party supporter but I saw no positive reasons to vote for them, only a negative reason being to remove the previous government.

If Luxon had ben seen as a leader by NZer's National would have had enough seats to not need NZ First.

He did not sell himself. Maybe he thought he didn't need to? 

 

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That's the main takeaway of the election. I voted National as a protest against Labour (well a little self-interest on interest deductibility), not through any expectation they will be competent.

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My thought's too Wilco, Luxon was a poor choice. This current mish-mash will be interesting.

If there was another election now I wouldn't bet on National.

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This morning they’re meeting at Luxon’s home. Which one for mercy sake? Visited six which were empty then arrived at the seventh to find everyone around the strong and stable pool sipping Pina coladas. The mood was positive.

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LOL.  I suspect he's a teatotaler - more likely sitting around the pool with a chai latte and a prayer book.

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Spot on Kate,Luxon is a teatotaller

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Trump is too. Just saying. 

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Pepsi max.

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And to a leftist, that’s the pits, isn’t it Kate?

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I think I spotted Chris Bishop on a wobbly lime scooter with a couple of espresso martinis..

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Terrible for someone to be successful and accrue assets isn’t it Hastings? I suspect you are not, and have not done the same.

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Last week I got an email from Air New Zealand advertising one way tickets to Australia. The irony was not lost on me...

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Personally, I am tired of self promoting leaders, who are more obsessed with style over substance.  It would be nice if one of them could just concentrate on the job at hand, delivering results not announcements, and leave the peacocking to those who have nothing better to do.

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“Poor Corporate leadership is seldom punished”. Another person who has no experience a senior corporate level making statements that are bollocks. Trotter’s columns are always a good read, but he’s totally wrong here. Sure, a bad senior leader might get paid out to bugger off, because the company has to, as to keep a dud on, even for a month, is inviting more problems. Executive’s who get given the archer are known. And getting another similar gig with similar pay is near impossible. The punishment for failure is real. And lastly, in my experience, rather than not exerting influence, Boards crawl up the backside of CEO’s to ensure that plan’s are being implemented, and goals are being reached.

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A typical Trotter article.  Really Chris; as much as Luxon would like to, he hasn't started governing yet.  I defy anyone to quickly negotiate their way around Winston Peters' ego and his excessive sense of self-importance in politics.

Seymour and Luxon did point out the problems of a three-way coalition during the campaign, but they have to work with what the voters provide.

You forget to mention in your stats that Bill English got 40-something percent of the party vote in 2017 but he didn't even get to form a government, thanks to Winston. I had to laugh at Winston when he recently said that he went with Ardern in 2017 because English had told him the Nats were going to roll him (English) as their leader soon after the election (obviously this assertion was immediately refuted by English).  It just shows what sort of person you have to deal with in Winston Peters.

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I agree,the negotiations being a 3 way means it will take what it takes to finalise.I think my issue with Mr Luxon is that his ego got in the way and he started blowing his bugle from election night about being a master negotiator ,the M&A master,dropping all the corporate buzz words etc, forgetting this is politics,not business.he will need to realise that WP & DS are not part of the executive suite who will kowtow to his every utterance."The Emperors New Clothes" comes to mind with many executive teams. 

I also think it is incorrect to blame this on WP, over the last few days, it has been David Seymour as much as WP who has been intimating that Luxon is getting ahead of himself in making announcements about it all being sorted. Seymour is playing as many games as the others, knowing that WP will get all the blame.

 

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So far Luxon has done very well.
He's successfully pulled the wokesters in MSM into line, and radically changed for better the way coalition agreements are conducted and talked about.

I like that a lot!

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whats's the obsession with MSM???

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Sounds like the fellow has spent too much time consuming content targeted at Americans.

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Look where strong leadership has led us - sparkly projects to keep party ideologues and power blocs on side, while the running of the county - the prosaic, difficult things like infrastructure, economic diversification and education - get neglected because they aren't visible enough and require thought rather than merely reacting.

Maybe thoughtful management is what we actually need to stop us sliding away from being a viable place to live.

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