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China toys with CPI deflation while PPI deflation gets worse. India's factories dip in August. US PPI hardly rises; Canada jobs jump, Fitch cool on France; UST 10yr 4.07%; gold firm and oil stable, NZ$1 = 61.2 USc; TWI = 69.3

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China toys with CPI deflation while PPI deflation gets worse. India's factories dip in August. US PPI hardly rises; Canada jobs jump, Fitch cool on France; UST 10yr 4.07%; gold firm and oil stable, NZ$1 = 61.2 USc; TWI = 69.3

Here's our summary of key economic events over the weekend that affect New Zealand with news China's deflation pressures keep on coming. And in the US disinflation rolls on, which they hope will end soon.

This coming week will be another one with chunky data releases. The biggest will be on Wednesday, our own CPI result for the Q3-2024 period (Markets expect 2.0%). That that will follow the Tuesday's update of the September REINZ results.

We won't be the only country reporting inflation data; we also get that from Canada, India and Japan this week. At the end of the week, the ECB will be reviewing its policy interest rate. And all week we will be getting American Q3 earnings reports.

China will report its Q3-2024 GDP result on Friday, likely to fall well short of its 5% target.

Over this weekend, China released sets of key data. The tiny bit of consumer price inflation they had disappeared in September, up now only +0.4% from a year ago. Beef, lamb, and milk prices all went backwards again. Their producer prices deflated at a faster rate. And we are now waiting for their new yuan loan data which isn't expected to be very strong (about +¥1 tln, and less than half the June level. So far, debt-induced growth hasn't worked).

Meanwhile Chinese Ministry of Finance officials announced some more modest steps to "support the economy" and signaled much more is to come. It was a much-anticipated set-piece that left observers, and markets, underwhelmed.

Key banks made simultaneous coordinated moves - signaled a while ago to be fair - to cut mortgage borrowing costs, as a practical measure to reduce the pressure on homeowner household budgets. They will come into effect in the last week of October.

And coming up some time this week, the Chinese central bank is expected to signal lower wholesale borrowing costs in its 1-Year MLF announcement.

In South Korea, they have started cutting their policy rates too, although not as aggressively as New Zealand. The Bank of Korea policy rate is now 3.25% after its first rate cut (-25 bps) since May 2020. That came after data showed their GDP shrank in Q2-2024 and their September inflation slowed to 1.6%, the lowest since February 2021.

India's industrial production took a surprise drop in August from a year ago, its first retreat since October 2022. Few saw that coming. And they downwardly revised the +4.7% rise in July.

Interestingly, the Indian currency is under pressure, and outflow levels have been high. The Indian rupee has hit a record low against the US Dollar, (but against the NZD it has been pretty flat since 2020).

In the US, producer prices hardly rose in September. US factory gate prices were flat in the month from August and missing expectations of a +0.1% rise. On an annual basis, PPI inflation eased to a 7-month low of 1.8%.

US consumer sentiment was little-changed in October according to the University of Michigan survey, holding at a level it has broadly been at since May. There was a slight dip from the prior month, something that is probably just related to election uncertainties.

For those who follow such things, we can report no surprises in the October update of the USDA WASDE report. But they did raise their beef import forecasts marginally again, and lowered their US milk production forecasts, again.

Canada reported a good +47,000 rise in employment in September, almost double what was expected. Better still, full-time jobs rose +112,000 while part-time roles shrank -65,000. Their jobless rate slipped to 6.5% when a rise was anticipated.

Ratings agency Fitch has downgraded their sovereign rating for France from 'Stable' to 'Negative', but still at AA-. They say “Fiscal policy risks have increased since our last review". (Fitch have New Zealand at AA+, Stable.)

The UST 10yr yield is now at just on 4.07% and unchanged from Saturday. A week ago it was at 3.99% so up +8 bps since then. The key 2-10 yield curve is positive, now by +12 bps. Their 1-5 curve inversion is inverted by -31 bps. And their 3 mth-10yr curve inversion now at -76 bps. The Australian 10 year bond yield starts today at 4.23% and down -7 bps. The China 10 year bond rate is at 2.15% and unchanged. The NZ Government 10 year bond rate is just under 4.43%, unchanged from this time Saturday, but up +14 bps from a week ago.

The price of gold will start today at US$2657/oz and down -US$3 from this time Saturday. That is up +US$8 from a week ago.

Oil prices are holding at just on US$75.50/bbl in the US while the international Brent price is still at US$79/bbl. A week ago these prices were at these same levels, so no-change in a week.

The Kiwi dollar starts today at 61.1 USc and down a minor -10 bps from this time Saturday. Against the Aussie we are unchanged at 90.5 AUc. Against the euro we are also unchanged at 55.9 euro cents. That all means our TWI-5 starts today now at 69.3, and unchanged from Saturday at this time. But that is -40 bps lower than a week ago.

The bitcoin price starts today at US$62,627 and up +0.6% from this time Saturday. Volatility over the past 24 hours has been modest at just on +/- 1.1%.

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Helloooo prospect of negative rates across the world again. 

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Did you mean -neg real (i.e. inflation adjusted) interest rates? And which interest rate, central bank, or retail mortgage, or something else? 

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Israel is contemplating a strike on Iran's oil facilities and Iran vows to retaliate with attacks on UAE's oil producing assets. The US has now deployed missile, air and troop support to the region.

Whatever goes down between the aggressors, oil consumers are certainly going to feel the heat.

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Like how they did when Russia invaded Ukraine, and now Ukraine make repeated attacks on Russian oil storage and refining facilities?

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Like how they did when Russia invaded Ukraine

Did Russia stop pumping oil because of Western sanctions? The data doesn't suggest that - Link and likely the Russians scrambled for a few months after the sanctions but began shipping most of its oil to non-Western states. But you have never been one to look into actual data before arguing.

Russia's refining output hit record levels in September 2024 - Russia’s Oil Product Shipments Climb on Diesel, Fuel Oil Rebound - Bloomberg

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I'm implying that using potential regional conflicts to guess where FF prices are going is fraught with inaccuracy. 

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My point is the ongoing conflicts haven't done material long-term damage to oil production so far. Sanctions on Russian exports caused the blip in oil prices following its invasion of Ukraine, not a loss of production. That's mainly because neither Gaza nor Ukraine is a major oil producer.

Also, Iran and Israel are both regional powers and we have not seen an escalating conflict like this in a while where both parties are in theory able to annihilate one another. Israel could topple the current Iranian regime with just a bunch of tactical missile strikes on Kuzhestani oil production assets (>80% of Iran's supply comes from a single region on the Persian Gulf).

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Whilst in Europe, I was asked if NZ was a safe place, because of the primitive, aggressive indigenous people they see every time NZ participates in an international event.  This sounds crazy to us, but what image do we have of other countries?  France = baguette, Japan = geisha and most can't make the difference between Switzerland and Sweden.

Why can we not project a more advanced, friendly image of NZ to the rest of the world?

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"This sounds crazy to us"

But not crazy to you obviously. Faux empathy?

What are you smoking Yves? 

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🤣🤣 so true. A funny comments from China about a video of manywomen doing Haka was like

"I believe my wife has the gene of NZ indigenous pepole because her face was exactly like that when asking me to do chores."

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Yvil this is a finance page..not womens weekly..

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It very often seems more like a knitting circle.

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That had me in stitches

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or the out-of-touch ramblings of a dementia ward stuck in the 70's

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There's naivety across the board. Some oldies can't address the world is a different place now, and those "in touch" think with a few simple changes we can return to lifestyles from the 50s/60s (although with the benefits of contemporary advancements in the years in between). The canaries of housing/living costs should be cause for a much more considered view of what sorts of lives we could plausibly be living. 

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"Yvil this is a finance page..not womens weekly…"

It is indeed a finance page Baywatch, and I suggest that there might be a better way to showcase NZ's economy, technology, entrepreneurship and finance to the rest of the world, than by displaying a primitive, agressive dance by scantily dressed people.

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I've never heard anyone overseas mention that in a negative light. Most people want you to do one for them when mentioned.

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showcase NZ's economy, technology, entrepreneurship and finance

What exactly are these examples to showcase? Yeah we're master financial tacticians just shooting ourselves in the foot at every opportunity. Being landlords and property developers/flippers isn't a great example of entrepreneurship. As for our economy - selling milk powder, logs and houses...

Maybe more modern, less aggressive dancing by scantily dressed people could be our next big thing.

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Not sure what you are on about but showcase here in Barcelona is showing the world we are are nation of 2 cultures and very proud. Perhaps it's time you considered living offshore?

 Each race day, the waka will lead Team New Zealand out of Barcelona harbour as a “Māori guard of honour”, says Graham Tipene, coordinator of the waka that is crewed almost entirely by members of the Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei iwi (tribe).

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This comment is along the lines of ‘You’d be prettier if you smiled more’, but more racist.

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Racist ???  Racism has nothing to do with it.  Wether the dancers are white, black, green, yellow, brown or blue, dancing half naked in an agressive fashion is not promoting NZ as a developed country and the many wonderful things we offer. 

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The context makes something culturally appropriate or not. Any immigrant knows that.

You get welcomed by a karanga, korero and waiata. You are challenged by a wero. You are supposed to be intimidated by haka, and sometimes honoured.

Don't blame various cultural expressions for the viewer's limited perspectives and ignorance of context. If they don't understand, the least you could do is help them Yvil.

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Well said

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Why are we wanting to market NZ as developed, and how could you do that in a way that makes that development seem in any way distinct from dozens of other countries?

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I'm glad you asked Pa1nter.  

Dominating the America's Cup is a show of immense skill and technological advancement for New Zealand.  That's how we can showcase NZ's entrepreneurship.  I doubt that the guys in grass skirts shouting aggressively had much to do with the design of our AC cup masterpiece. 

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Is that a large enough springboard to promote ourselves as being distinctly developed?

Getting mental bandwidth from the rest of the world for a relatively small, low population, remote nation requires significant points of difference.

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Well you may not have thought your previous ramblings were racist but you really need to take a hard look at what you just said. Doubting someone's intelligence simply by their look? Classic racist.

And isn't Sir Ian Taylor still involved in presenting the graphics, well known Ngapuhi?

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@ Redcows - If it walks like a duck it's probably a good assumption to assume that it is. That's not racism, that's caution. If we don't want to be assumed wrongly by the rest of the world as barbaric, then we need to seriously look at the ways this could be interpreted. Intimidating war dances when we are not preparing for battle to scare or intimidate our opponents, is certainly worth looking into as it won't be sending the right sort of message. 

There's a tome and a place for the Haka - on the battlefield, or when competing such as sports. In any other context it is perfectly safe to assume that it's intentions used are one of intimidation and scare tactics, as that's exactly what the Haka was created for. Not a welcoming ceremony. 

The fact that one assumes that all parts of Maori tradition are still just as relevant today as they were 100s of years ago, and that those traditions should somehow take precedence over other cultures (our main culture actually being European westernized civilisation), is in itself racism. Favoring one race over another is racism. Only 20% of the population is actually Maori, and of that, most are not full blooded Maori at all. NZs culture is not one that panders the minority, but the one that fully accepts the majority - European. If anything, the Haka should actually be replaced with a European tradition, one much less barbaric and civilized. 

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Personally having met some years ago some people who train the America's Cup team's designers, and people who actually make the machines, your above comment is patently ignorant and a miniscule cherry-picked example to confirm bias Yvil.

You can't credible talk advancement whilst cherry picking an example to suit your narrative, and ignoring both the people who contribute to that advancement or other advancements.

Wasn't property your area of strength Yvil?

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No, my area of expertise is in the meteorological field 😉

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New Zealand is dominating America's Cup for many years now but it hasn't translated into, say a 5 billion NZD, technology export model! Compare that with the likes of ASML. Started in the last century from leaky portacomms because parent company Philips Eindhoven considered them as nerds and not adding value. ASML liberated themselves from the chains of Philips and are grown into a key enabler of today's society. Remember Nvidia's chip designs are not effective until TSMC has made them using ASML NUV technology. 

Another question: Why showcasing New Zealand technology in Barcelona?

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Lol the America's Cup is an ego led, corporate branding exercise benefiting the lawyers mostly.

It may have created national inclusivity back when Peter Blake got us all behind it. It's become a joke since and doesn't really represent NZ at all.

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Sure..lots of the boat builders unskilled in carbon fiber now work with Rocke lab.. go figure

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Why promote NZ as "developed".  Mainly because the vast bulk of tourists want to go to developed nations not undeveloped ones.  Otherwise Papua New Guinea would be the #1 destination for tourists while France would be last.   Tourists want to come to NZ to look at nice scenery, but don't want to be bashed and robbed by the locals.  Although the latter experience is now becoming increasingly likely.  

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Why promote NZ as "developed". The fallen high voltage line pylon says everything how well developed New Zealand is perceived!

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Yes this local skin heads in CHCH are a nasty bunch..but it seems to be tolerated by the locals down there ..almost like a breeding ground?

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Its funny, I live in Chch and yet have never seen one of these infamous skinheads.  Perhaps they only exist in north islander's imaginations? 

The last gang to be rounded up and sent to jail in Christchurch were all Maori (go on, ask me how I know?  Because all 18 names were published in the High Court daily list, but not the woke media). 

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Hmm .the Muslim population must be feeling much safer then KH? I'm sure you have many friends in the community.

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Some people really need to get out more and meet people and be curious about other cultures instead of their opinions being informed by watching a screen or conditioned by content curated by algorithms

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That is certainly true, but what do we know about Azerbaijan, Peru or Mali ?   I suggest that, at best, most of us know one or two facts about these countries, even though they are bigger, more populated countries than NZ.  The same applies to NZ, most other countries will know one or two things about NZ, so we have to be very careful how we showcase NZ to the rest of the world when we can.

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And that seems to have been centred around:

- our unique indigenous culture

- or relative level of green-ness/natural landscape

- other minor aspects like our National Bird/coastline/produce

I'm not sure how we could promote ourselves as being developed/advanced in a way that'd be distinctive from the large number of other nations that are more centred around development and technology.

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Why can we not project a more advanced, friendly image of NZ to the rest of the world?

Few anecdotes when asking people overseas about NZ (or mentioning that you're from NZ):

- many regions view us as peaceful, off the back of Jacindas response to the mosque shootings

- fairly commonly in Europe, locals envied our distance from the Russia/Ukraine conflict

- most places view NZ as clean and uncluttered/under developed

I can't see how we could promote ourselves as overly advanced, but with the way "progress" is unfolding, maybe that's not a bad thing 

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Tend to agree, surely a poi and singing performance is more appropriate in welcoming situations. The haka is a war dance.

And we do have other cultures here, not just the one doesn't like to trace their past prior to there recent arrival to NZ.

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Imagine going for a cultural experience in Japan and you are welcomed by Japanese people in kilts playing bagpipes? Aotearoa's unique culture is its indigenous Maori culture.

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"Aotearoa's unique culture is its indigenous Maori culture"

Indeed HG, but we're talking about NZ's culture, as in all of New Zealand.

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Just because there are Chinese or Scottish people in NZ does not mean NZ's culture is Scottish or Chinese. Everyone can celebrate their own culture in NZ but they should not confuse/appropriate them so that they claim them as NZ culture.  

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So, you're saying that only Maori culture can be considered as New Zealand culture, not Chinese, Scottish, Pacifica, French etc...

Can you not see how this is a racist view HG ?

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Are you saying that Chinese culture is New Zealand culture? What does that even mean? How does Chinese NZ culture differ from Chinese China culture?

It looks like you are conflating people with cultures from other countries living in NZ as making those cultures now NZ culture. On that interpretation, given it is likely there is at least one person from every country in the World living in NZ are you saying NZ culture is world culture? What does that even mean?

Saying Maori culture is the only indigenous culture of NZ is not racist, just reality.

I'd say you are more likely racist against Maori as you are effectively arguing there is simply a world culture and therefore no particular culture is special to any particular country. Therefore, Maori culture is no more special to NZ than any other world culture. An obvious attempt to deny Maori culture recognition in the one country it is indigenous to. 

Try going to Scotland and telling them your NZ culture (whatever you think that means) is just as Scottish as their culture. How would you explain that to them?

 

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"Saying Maori culture is the only indigenous culture of NZ is not racist, just reality"

I certainly agree with you there HG, because you have added the very important word "indigenous", this changes the topic which was discussed, which is NZ being multicultural.

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Glad to se you accept that while there are many cultures IN NZ there is only one culture FROM NZ, that  being the Maori culture. If you accept that I don't know what point you were trying to make.

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What do you mean by FROM NZ?

All our of ancestors came to NZ. We are now a hotchpotch, as are those who identify as Maori.

It is interesting that Maori wish to re-connect with their culture, however this is time zoned to after they arrived in this country and any 'other' blood is ignored.

We have polices that have incentivised a bandwagon of victimhood and spiritualistic nonsense. 

 

 

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There it is. Maori are either all dead or mongrels who are just as blameworthy for the injustice perpetrated by the colonisation of NZ. No victim = no accountability.

This "just die already' attitude underlies every aspect of your comments on NZ culture. You and Yvil are ridiculous, I can see you both going to live in another country and then going to your kids school to show off NZ culture and showing up in a Kimono and pouring green tea and singing "we are the World".   

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You are misconstruing social injustice with racism. Throw in a tax system that we refuse to reform and the inequalities increase.

Those who choose to identify as Maori may dominate the worst statistics.  The defining factor is not their blood - their blood is as good as anyone's.

Encouraging Maori to look at themselves as victims just perpetuates matters.

"I can't achieve because I have an excuse... I'm a victim!"

 

 

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So confiscating an entire race's assets and excluding them from the benefits of citizenship for over 100 years should all be forgotten and forgiven because the world has moved on. To think that such a traumatic injustice has no bearing on a people's current situation is foolish at best. 

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@ HeavyG - "So confiscating an entire race's assets and excluding them from the benefits of citizenship for over 100 years should all be forgotten and forgiven because the world has moved on"

No, but like any good court case, there is a statuary of limitation. That is up for debate. How long does this continue? How many future generations should have to pay for our ancestors colonialism? If the Maoris had it their way it would be forever, which again is a victimized mentality. There are no Maoris alive today that we're taken over and had wrong doing by Europeans of today. Therefore, this "you stole my land you pay up" must now be settled once and for all, the debt be paid, and then it's buried in the past, and we all move on.

It is actually thanks to European settlers that offered the Maoris a much more civilized way. Without the westernized culture, the Maori population would have remained savage cannibals. Sounds harsh but its the truth. So the Maoris actually did get something out of the colonialism- they got a better way of life, though it cost them. A better way of life costs everybody something in the end. Maoris of today are just milking the victimhood, rather than settling the debt, and moving forward. Victimhood is incredibly popular in this country, not just by Maoris either.

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It was Europeans fleeing poverty and starvation that came to NZ for a better life. This fairytale that Europeans were doing Maori a favour by coming here and taking all their land is so crazy only a fool would believe it. If you really believe that you're doing Maori a favour by sticking around then jump on the next plane out of here and see what happens.

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You go and tell that story to the Irish or the Scots or the Japanese and see how far it gets you?

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You know it's only cultural art - don't you? Everyone puts on their normal clothes and goes back to their day jobs afterwards - some might even wear suits and work in an investment bank fer chrissake. Others might actually run their "Cultural Performance Business" as a free enterprise. Why don't you start a "Cultural Performance Business" and sell it to Team NZ. You could provide hot-air and bluster for when the wind drops below 7 knots.

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We do not have an indigenous culture. We have people that arrived at different times.

Under the current racist Maori theory of rights, those of English ancestry should have more rights than the multitude of races that arrived later.

 

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Indigenous/native peoples/cultures refers to a group of people, usually with common and distinct ancestry, that have developed a specific culture in a specific area. 

Any peoples that subsequently arrive in an area with an existing indigenous population are colonists. First nation matters in this context. second and third...etc nation arrivals come with their own culture and race and cannot be indigenous or native to an area.

Your contention is that there are no indigenous/native peoples anywhere in the world (except maybe in a small valley in Africa if you believe in evolution). This position is often taken by colonists to justify the taking land from indigenous peoples on the basis the land belongs to everyone whether you arrived here 1,000 years ago or yesterday as we are all colonists at the end of the day (i.e. I am taking this land and you better not try and stop me).

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Spare me the rewrite. That is not the original meaning of indigenous. We can thank the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples for this re framed definition.

The NZ environment was completely altered by the arrival of Maori. Rats, fires, deforestation, extinctions galore. Hardly indigenous with that impact.

 

 

 

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What's your definition then?

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France = baguette, Japan = geisha, NZ = auctioneer in polyester suit?

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Warm fuzzy talk with the ever so helpful bank, followed by a stint of shopping at the home improvement shop.

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Actually, I agree with him to some extent.

While I've enjoyed going to Kapa Haka , and nothing better than a Haka at a Tangi, I do see the Haka by the All Blacks etc , as having become unnecessarily violent. such actions performed by a gang in the streets would have Mitchell etc  foaming. 

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Nothing better? Better than funeral with a full Latin Mass in a Roman Cathedral? 

Ok then.

 

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I'd settle for a life of brian song . 

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Horses for courses. Cultural expressions in appropriate context. Pick your metaphor.

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Perhaps they read the comment section of this website - just saying ....

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"Why can we not project a more advanced, friendly image of NZ to the rest of the world?"

So you think Team NZ should drop a few races?

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You might want to speak to anyone who works on NZ trade / tourism etc. Our indigenous culture is a massive positive for our international brand. There is a reason why even this Govt pump cash into taking kapa haka groups abroad on trade missions.

I would gently ask what you are projecting with this comment? At best it's ignorance, at worse, well, others have said it.

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You can still promote indigenous culture, just not in a "violent and aggressive" way.  Nothing wrong with pitching NZ as full of beautiful Maori women singing and dancing with pois for instance.  It works for Hawaii.  And they get 9-10M tourists a year, so clearly they are doing something right.  

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You get it KW.

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The weather in Hawaii might have something to do with location don't you think ..same as Tahiti.

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Aww hugs you two

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Yes, I absolutely think the way to promote indigenous culture is for older white blokes to tell them which bits of their culture to share. Good job. Keep the natives in check chaps.

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How do you know that KW is not a young Asian female vs "an old white bloke" ?

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Is she though? For real?

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We're he lives is a good indication

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Every tourism promotion picks and chooses "which bits of the culture" to share.  That is the point of tourism promotion.  Maybe we could start pitching the Mongrel Mob and Black Power instead?  Why not pick those bits?

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What is a more advanced and friendly image than being proud of your country's heritage and culture? Only backwards haters want a sanitized version appropriate for bigots.

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if you can be considerate of people in your own country, you'll likely have developed some of the social intelligence to build good relationships with people from other countries

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Agree. Haka is performed so often, and mostly badly, that it has become a tiresome cliche. Its an aggressive, ugly war dance that makes us appear Neanderthal. 

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I have met many Europeans over the years who think the haka is an awesome sight.

Jurgen Klopp is a fan:

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2018/11/01/i-love-it---liverpool-boss-kl…

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Markets expect 2% in NZ! I called that as a possibility months ago due to last Septembers 1.6% quarter falling out, around the time the RBNZ were saying they may need to hike the OCR. How did they get it so wrong? Or were they just playing games? How come we are still so far above neutral? What if it comes in below 2% with the RBNZs foot still ramming the brake down at the expense of jobs and growth? 

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But Jimbo…haven’t you read the comments on here over the last couple of months…the RBNZ had better be careful, the cuts they’ve made are going to fire up inflation 😭

RBNZ literally & somewhat impressively f**ked it in every direction, down too low, up to slow, held too long 😂

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I think they were so obsessed with their predictions and surveys etc that they didn’t see the obvious that 1.6% was falling out. They should have looked through that quarter anyway as it was the fuel tax change. Rookie mistake. 

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How much control does RBNZ have over headline inflation. Non-tradable inflation has generally trended between 2.5% to 4% every year for a decade, which RBNZ has done squat to control.

Prices of oil and Chinese imports largely dictate headline inflation because we don't have domestic market tariffs/subsidies in NZ. If there is a global glut in either of those, headline inflation trends low and vice versa.

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"New data from@msdgovtnz shows the number of children living in emergency housing has fallen below 1,000 for the first time in years. The 1,038 households in EH is at a 6-year low, approaching the govt's 2030 target of 800. The public housing wait list is also at 4-year lows."

@Charteddaily

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Great news. Waiting for some negative spin on this. 

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It's easy if you change the eligibility criteria for emergency housing so they no longer qualify. They may be sleeping in a car now, but they aren't on our wait list!

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Population growth is stalling out. Also the household size of those leaving NZ is smaller  than the household sizes that new commers are creating. This is causing rental growth to stall. More new dwelling completions every day, including KO units There are now places for the emergency housing tenants to go. They still need government assistance to pay the rent but private landlords are desperate enough to take them.

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It's all Labours fault.

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I'm not sure if it's the same in housing, but the mother in law was recently removed from the public waitlist for an ORL specialist appointment after waiting for 14 months already - without notice or consultation. There's many ways to manage waitlist targets...

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True. Recall Labours policy to reduce imprisonment by 30% - irrespective of crime stats.

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Yawn - party political broadcast. 

But they all do it - the UN shifted the 'poverty' goalposts, and the MSM regurgitated without noting the shift... 

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No. I can't recall any such policy, especially with regards to it being "irrespective of crime stats".

Care to recall a link to prove what you're saying? (And no, blog posts aren't acceptable.)

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You really dont pay much attention do you? I don't know how you missed this one since it was a fundamental election pledge in 2017.  Labour pledged to make the prison population 30% lower than the number in 2017.  Then dumped it in 2023 when they realised how incredibly stupid and harmful it was.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-labour-dumps-prison-populat…

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Chloe wants to abolish prisons altogether. Yep.

https://x.com/_chloeswarbrick/status/1448098668620435468?lang=en

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If society had better ways of raising adults, guiding/teaching children when they make mistakes, and better values to strive for, we might not require prisons.

Everyone learns by example, children are literal sponges. Family, school, and the wider environment all contribute to it. Epigenetics and our history are huge influencing factors.

When you look at much of society's examples, it doesn't really surprise me. The hypocrisy of do as I say, not as I do is astounding.

Everyone's just being responsible for themselves, their own self interest, as we're taught to. 

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Whatever ... If you want to talk about crime rates while ignoring the economic realities of 2023, you're past hope.

Perhaps you'd like to address why NZ used to have the 2nd highest per capita incarceration rate in the developed world behind the USA?

Are Kiwis really that violent or that criminally inclined? Or could there be some other cause?

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They are that violent and criminally inclined.  Only need to compare NZ crime stats with those of Australia, and you see it immediately.  Take car thefts - NZ has double the rate of car theft than QLD, and TRIPLE the rate of car theft than NSW (which has a much larger population). 

QLD are sick of the crime, and are now voting in a Liberal Govt for the first time in donkey years who have campaigned on Law & Order.  Meanwhile NZers just have to put up with the much higher level of crime because complaining about it makes you a racist.

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KW Thanks for your response, I've been elsewhere. 

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@ Chrisofnofame-

Stats.co shows • In 2016, retail crime was 25,000 per year, in the 3 months to the end of April 2023, there were 45,046 retail crimes reported (equates to 180,000 per year) = a 620% increase. 70% of the crimes are not even being reported. In 2016, police attended 1 in every 2 crimes compared to only 1 in 10 now. In 2016 the arrests were 20 times higher, now the arrests are only 2.3% meaning that over 97% get away with it. Police retail crimes unit only has 8 staff. 

When National took over last year the Burglaries crime stats showed: 49% under 18 years old, 51% of those did not face court action. 112 between 0-17 arrested received a family group conference – thats it. Most was just a formal or informal warning. 94 didn't receive any consequence whatsoever. 

Reported crime increased in the last year between 2022 & 2023 in Auckland alone over previous years by 26%

Under Labour the number of fleeing drivers since 2020 doubled due to the failed ideology of not pursuing fleeing vehicles, resulting in a backflip on the policy. Also due to Labours soft on crime stance and reducing prison numbers by 25%, the tax payer is having to fund smoke canons and bollards to private businesses; and at the worse time, during a cost of living crisis and record debt & inflation. 

Labours Police Minister Ginny Andersen telling Kiwis they feel safer under Labour while crime is soaring and an overwhelming 67 per cent felt either more concerned or much more concerned about being the victims of crime compared to five years ago. 

If you actually did your research Chris, instead of just looking up the Labour website, and instead of expecting everyone else to provide you with the Stats just so you can scream misinformation at them as you've been trained by Labour to parrot anytime someone has information that differs from yours and Labours ideology, you can find this stuff easily. You cherry pick your data to support your going narrative, a Labour lead utopia where no one profits, and currency is unlimited smiles and hugs.

Wake up & take off the Labour rose tinted glasses mate. Overwhelming evidence now heavily supports that the last Labour government was NZs worst performing government in our history. Decieved Labour voters just can't bring themselves to believe it. Anything that goes against their narrative is misinformation, they have been trained to think so.

He who makes the claim, bears the responsibility of proof. If you believe these Stats are incorrect, it is your job to provide the evidence against this information. Screaming misinformation when you get stuck & cant be bothered doing your research just isnt going to cut it anymore.

Good luck.

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Rents are stagnant.
Rental supply has outstripped demand.
Unemployment still has a way to rise.
I could go on ...

Why would you be surprised?

And as I shouldn't need to remind anyone, 'emergency housing' is but one measure of how those at the bottom are fairing.

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They are all now living in $1.7M KO apartments.  #winning

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"Council delays release of Auckland property valuations. Auckland homeowners can expect a likely dip in their council valuations but will have to wait to find out until the city-wide valuations are released early next year."

Don't want to frighten property owners, do we! Best we extend-and-pretend, and with any luck things will have improved by the time the news hits.

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They're probably trying to work out how to break the news your rates are going up even though your houses value is going down.

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The formula in Christchurch is that the CCC sets the total rate take  annually and within the calculation  each property is charged pro rata to its value. Resultantly then, usually the higher the value the more the rates charge. Proportionally that of course continues whether property values rise or fall.There is quite some inequity in this because it is claimed as a charge for goods and services but there are obvious anomalies where say one household of say five occupants will use much more of the services etc but pay less rates than a house of two using less. By its nature this distortion compounds on every rates increase and this factor is then increased by central governments adding GST. Yo will find that no one involved in either local or central government want to talk about any of that.

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So many people fail to understand is simply an allocation process. The absolute value has nothing to do with it, just the relativity to others.

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Yes it is used to calculation your portion but it does seem a bit rough if your house is worth more relative to others because it is someone has decided you can build 12 houses on it

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Even rougher if the council decided you could only build one or two houses on it a few years back...

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Just about the only process we have to capture some of the golden gift given to existing property owners by Council/Government action. 

A capital gains, or targeted rates bill, could be fairer, but it's not clear why the homeowner should gain 100% of the value uplift with no downside. 

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@ mfd - "but it's not clear why the homeowner should gain 100% of the value uplift with no downside".

Because they worked hard to be in such a position, they get to reap the rewards of their previous sacrafices. Using "but buying a property isn't achieved by hard work", is what tenants regurgitate amongst themselves to make themselves feel better about their current financial position. Tall poppy syndrome classic - a deliberate reminiscent of one's peers personal achievements so that one may feel better about themselves. It justifies the laziness. 

The reality is doing what's required to save the large deposit, breaking through the banks heavy scrutinizing to gain a pre approval, sticking at a job one dislikes for years just to prove the income affordability is hard. In fact the largest purchase will absolutely take the largest sacrafice. Tenants simply refuse to acknlowdge that as it's easier to blanket assume everyone who got a house had rich parents and a wad of hand outs. If buying a house was "so easy" as tenants say but rarely believe, then more people would actually own. Almost no one volunteers to be a tenants for life paying someone else's mortgage, that's not smart at all.

So we've established buying a home is hard, it takes a combination of both hard work, determination and personal and financial sacrafice - a delayed gratification. Home owners then have absolutely earnt the right to enjoy 100% of that gain. 

The golden gift you mention - he who owns the gold, makes the rules. It's that simple. If you want to make the rules, do what's required to own the gold.

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Being set on the value of your property makes it a de facto land tax.  If it were set on the cost of delivering services to ratepayers, it would be set on the number of people occupying each property - so that everyone pays their fair share of the services they use.  It should be like dog registration - the same cost per dog, not higher registration fees for purebred dogs that cost $2000 and cheaper for the adopted SPCA special.

The humungous cost of rates is one reason why I am considering selling up and moving to Australia.  As a single person its becoming ridiculous the cost of maintaining a house in NZ.  For what I currently spend, I could be living in luxury in Australia with 5 star resort facilities for my money.

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True. It is a property tax based on value, only not in name. Local government resort to all manner  of obfuscation and contrivances to deny the fact. In effect it is in a large part a wealth tax and they should just come clean and call it what it is. 

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bw

Not Council per se deciding to delay the release of property valuations for some spurious reason as you suggest, but rather " . . . the Valuer-General audits property valuations and has requested some additional work on the Auckland valuations prior to public release,” 

So the Valuer-General and not Council delaying RV release and I cant see any vested interest for the AG to delay their release. The validity of the reason you give is suspect as other regions (e.g. Napier) have had  the release of their RVs which were down . . . but lets ignore reality and put a conspiracy theory out there. 

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So just switch "Auckland Council" to "Central Government" in BW's post.

Their point still stands. i.e. "We mustn't frighten the pigeons."

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CONF

The point that still stands is that the post is based on an ignorance of the process and the assertion is rubbish.

It is not Auckland Council who release RV information - it is relaeased by QV which is totally independently of Council. The Council has no role in releasing or the timing of RV information - anyone with a basic experience with property would know this.

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The Valuer-General's role & function is statutory role with the passage of the Valuers Act 1948.

Like you say ... anyone with a basic experience with property would know this. ;)

More here for those who are interested.

edit: Just to be clear, in effect the Minister need only ask some semi-complicated questions and whole exercise gets delayed.

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I suspect not all property owners will be worried, only those who didn't work out the fundamentals (read: speculators).

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Deflation? Nah - risks are building to the opposite I'd say, therefore less likely - read this

Looking ahead, there is a real risk that the offshore forces on inflation could turn against us again with increasing oil prices and commodity prices

We are not China. Isn't China being confronted with trade barriers while trying to export cheap goods to the world, export their way back to health? 

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No one can predict this stuff. You could argue the other way too, for example deflation in China could cause prices to drop. 

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Agreed, no-one can predict accurately either way. That's why I posted it. I recall reading the archives that, in the 70s, there were times inflation looked like it was licked then too, only to find in short time it was the complete opposite. 

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Electric car lobby group takes Simeon Brown to court over emissions rules

Yet another example poor decision making by Ministers. .... In case you were wondering where our tax dollars get spent. And why lawyering in NZ is big business. And why costs keep spiraling. The simian Brown should be paying for for the extra expense out of his own pocket. (I understand the case is a valid one and worth taking.) 

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Oh dear. Another one! (You'll need to read this one as the headlined isn't what you may think.)

Auditor-General announces inquiry into Oranga Tamariki funding decisions

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