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US CPI rate expectations confirmed; US mortgage applications jump; India & China on holiday; Kishida resigns; UK CPI holds; UST 10yr 3.83%; gold and oil retreat; NZ$1 = 60 USc; TWI-5 = 68.5

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US CPI rate expectations confirmed; US mortgage applications jump; India & China on holiday; Kishida resigns; UK CPI holds; UST 10yr 3.83%; gold and oil retreat; NZ$1 = 60 USc; TWI-5 = 68.5

Here's our summary of key economic events overnight that affect New Zealand with news inflation data in both the US and UK keeps rate cuts in play.

The widely-anticipated July American inflation rate came in largely as expected, dipping slightly to 2.9% from 3% in June. That is its lowest level since March 2021. The "core" rate dipped to 3.2%. Rents were up +5.1% in the year but petrol was down -2.2%. Financial markets saw little to worry about in this data and seem to feel comfortable that it won't deter the Fed from the rate cuts in the rest of 2024 they have priced in.

More falls may be due in August; American petrol prices are now down more than -10% from a year ago in a respected national survey.

Meanwhile US mortgage applications leaped more than +16% last week from the prior week, the biggest one-week rise since an outlier in early 2023, and before that, pre-pandemic. Triggering this was a sharp pullback in mortgage costs from the prior week as the rate on benchmark contracts fell nearly -30 bps since the start of the month, now 6.54%, and tracking the sharp decline in yields of long-dated Treasury notes and bonds due to the increasingly dovish expectations for the Fed.

There seems little reason for the US Fed to delay the market rate cuts priced in by financial markets, although those markets do seem to be doing that for them. They next meet on September 19 (NZT).

I know we have pointed this out before, but there are still two weeks to go in the US summer holiday season, one that end with their Labor Day on September 3 (NZT). It is after that that financial markets 'normalise'. In the meantime, central bankers will be getting ready for their annual retreat to Jackson Hole, WY, August 23-25 (NZT), which has become a bit of an economic obsession.

It is not only the holiday season in the US, it is also a national holiday in India today, their Independence Day.

In China, their leaders are at their summer retreat at the seaside resort enclave at Beidaihe.

But in Japan, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida has resigned after nearly three years in the role.

In Europe, there was CPI inflation data out for England. That remained low at 2.2% in July, but up from 2% in both May and June. They got higher rents (+8.6%) and their core inflation is running at 3.3% and kept down by lower petrol costs.

And we should note that both steel rebar and soybean prices are still moving sharply lower, both in response to tough conditions in China. They are not the only falls, but are the commodities leading the retreat.

Locally, the CBA profit result release heralds the start of the local earnings season reporting, one that is sure to colour where both the ASX and NZX goes from here.

The UST 10yr yield is now at just on 3.83% and down -3 bps from yesterday. The key 2-10 yield curve inversion is slightly deeper at -12 bps. Their 1-5 curve inversion is also marginally deeper at -77 bps. And their 3 mth-10yr curve inversion is now at -149 bps. The Australian 10 year bond yield starts today at 3.92% and down another -8 bps. The China 10 year bond rate is down -4 bps at 2.16%. The NZ Government 10 year bond rate is now just on 4.21% and down -5 bps from yesterday.

Wall Street has held on to Tuesday's jump with the S&P500 up +0.4% in Wednesday trade, and suggesting the CPI result was priced in. Overnight European markets were all up about +0.6%. Tokyo was also up +0.6% yesterday and also holding the prior days very big jump. But Hong Kong fell -0.4% and Shanghai fell -0.6%. Singapore however was up +0.9%. The ASX200 ended its Wednesday trade up just +0.3% but the NZX50 took off, up an outsized +2.1% in a reaction to the OCR cut.

The price of gold will start today down -US$24 from yesterday at US$2441/oz.

Oil prices are -US$1.50 softer at just over US$76/bbl in the US while the international Brent price is now just on US$79.50/bbl.

The Kiwi dollar starts today down -¾c from this time yesterday at just on 60 USc following the OCR cut. But to be fair it is only back to where it was last week. Against the Aussie we are down -70 bps from yesterday at 90.9 AUc. Against the euro we are down -80 bps at 54.5 euro cents. That all means our TWI-5 starts today at 68.5 and down -70 bps.

The bitcoin price starts today at US$59,138 and down -3.7% from this time yesterday. Volatility over the past 24 hours has been moderate at just under +/- 2.4%.

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Last chance! Final week!

All must go to make way for new memes!

HFL hankies, buy 3, get 2 free.

"10% by Xmas 2023, guaranteed" Adult onesies, out they go.

Spend $30 and get a set of "this time it's different" salt shakers, ABSOLUTELY FREE (saltiness not included).

Please note: some items show signs of light usage/tear stains.

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Really, you desparately waited to be the first to post on a financial forum just to type that dribble? Grow up. 

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If we're going to put up with spam daily for months on end on this hyper serious, grown up level financial website, might as well have some fun with it.

Growing up is ridiculously over-rated. Look at me, with my bank account, and my insurance. I am a serious person. You can see this, by my scowl and my divorce.

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Had the OCR been dropped a year from now, the HFL group (me included) would have had fun poked at them. It's all up to convenient and subjective interpretations. This is an online forum - it comes with the territory. 

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That's the great thing about "higher for longer". There's no definition, so there's probably as much inflation beating scaremongering there, subduing demand, as there is from the actual higher rates.

We must never forget that the rhetoric of these institutions is in itself a form of economic control.

The job market is too hot.

You're all spending too much.

We're raising the rates for an undefined period of time.

The rates not likely to drop, it's still too hot out there.

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Yep, the sh*t flings both way…generally I get the tone it’s just a bit banter, occasionally a few might feel it’s not but it’s entertaining 😂

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It might be banter, and most I think can tell, but there is learning in it too. Much of the discussion in the past has suggested that what Orr is doing will not solve the long term problem, and even possibly exacerbate it. We watch with interest....(no pun intended)

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Actually that's pretty funny Pa1nter, far better than the normal DGM dribble on here. Uptick from me.

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Thats a huge endorsement - well done Painter

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Our psychology and attitudes determine our investment behaviours alongside technical analysis.  Pa1nter is reminding us of that.  It's actually relevant.

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Painter -  can you please tell me one good thing about having the highest house prices in the world on most metrics?

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Nothing, its all Tip Top

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There are lots of good things:

  • Most my friends in NZ are millionaires (or at least half way there), most my friends outside NZ own virtually nothing. 
  • We have the 6th highest median wealth in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
  • Unlike other wealth, housing wealth is much more distributed (again 6th highest median wealth, better than oil countries etc)

Of course there are plenty of bad things too!

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Happy for you -but for some its tough and probably the reason some of your mates are nearly millionaires I am guessing?

More than 25% of disposable income was going on rent for renting households, it calculated, ninth in the world.

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I never said it was good on balance, just that it isn't all bad.

You can argue the same thing about any wealth, its nice for the haves and not for the have nots. Housing seems worse because the wealth is so distributed that the haves are a bigger group, compared to say oil wealth where the haves are a tiny group of people that you will never meet. 

By the way, no one I know is a property developer (well not directly), they all just own a family home in Auckland. Most of them did a good degree and get paid a good salary, those houses were never easy to obtain (well not in my lifetime). But similar friends that live in countries where there is little aspiration to own a house (its a cultural thing here) have tended to own very little in comparison despite their good incomes. 

I personally also believe in trickle down to an extent (god I can just imagine the nasty comments I am going to get). Without housing wealth I doubt we could afford the 2nd highest minimum wage in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage). We really don't have much else going on; in fact its possible that most people would be worse off if our houses were very cheap. 

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If you'd gotten wealth from owning a business, it'd be at the plight of the average worker. With stats to back.

In summary, making money is baaaad

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in fact its possible that most people would be worse off if our houses were very cheap.  Say what?

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Does anyone have a chart of house prices to living standards? There probably aren't many good countries with cheap houses. Germany / Japan maybe? But if they were a small island in the middle of no where without any industry I doubt they would be so great.

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NZ used to have cheap housing ( x to income) - was is not a great country then? My memory of house, boat, bach for most of the average dwellers on my street must have been made up? 

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You must’ve been on a flash street Baywatch?! I don’t remember our 80’s neighbourhood being full of boats and batch owners…but we didn’t go without, and mum had the luxury of being home while us kids were pre school age, so that is definitely better for the “average” family I think…although I look at the “average” family now it’s Fiji holidays, flash phones and 75” TV’s etc…there were still poor families on the street who struggled just like I’m sure there are now…but “average” looks shinier now I think and there is a cost to that yeah 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Are you going back to the days of single glazing, no insulation, one light/one socket per room? 

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Interesting on the did a good degree mention. When my boys played rugby for a prominent Auckland club I used to observe the other fathers and say to myself (usually out loud) “how come all these f…wits are so rich?” And I always meant f…wits in an endearing way as I actually admire most wealthy individuals. Anyway the common denominator was that they’d all been to university. So yeah, not sure what I’m trying to say here and I don’t want to delete everything I’ve typed so I’ll carry on further. Whilst I think most of them were pretty happy with their wealth I know that at least 2 of them still went on to destroy everything due to the attraction of the glass BBQ. A few others (including myself) with broken relationships which always causes a financial hit. So in summing up I’d just say that I’m unsure about what I’m trying to say. Disclaimer: It was pretty full on in the pub last night. I’m medicated because of the hangover, I ate things I shouldn’t have eaten, and it is overcast and gloomy outside.

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This is where there is disadvantage ... OCR cuts likely to cut some slack to those with mortgages but renters seem to be caught in a trap . Maintaining reasonable deposit rates likely the only way of offsetting  that disadvantage somewhat. If folk cannot save enough to enter the market the market suffers and I suspect those rejoicing and anticipating rapid OCR drops have yet to realise the pool of liquidity is likely akin to our current electricity reserves . Not likely the cashed up are gonna jump into RE on a 1/4 cent either . RE still has some serious weight on it and that will not be  shifted in an instant. Keeping inflation contained will limit options.

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Can’t walk out.

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I’d suggest we are living beyond our means if you are taking pride in being part of the 6th wealthiest nation in the world (that wealth is an illusion as it’s mostly in frothy asset prices not justified by cash flows).
 

We are nowhere near 6th when what really counts in terms of real wealth - which is what we produce per person and the associated cash flows/benefits that produces ie GDP per capita.

I don’t think we are even top 20 in the world in that respect.  So no we aren’t as great as what you suggest - we just have artificially inflated asset prices that make some people think they are very wealthy while the average worker does not feel that way. 
 

Why would the 6th wealthiest country in the world desperately need to cut interest rates so people don’t default in their mortgages?! Sounds like everyone is desperately poor if that is true - ie they are struggling to stay afloat on a weekly cash flow basis (when interest and mortgage rates are not high but simply at or around historically normal levels). 

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For sure, wealth is not the only metric in determining a good country by any means. The good thing about median wealth however is that it is distributed, not just a few rich pricks, so I think it is one of the better indicators.

If you take a look there are some fairly good places to live at the top:

  •  Iceland  
  •  Luxembourg
  •  Belgium
  •  Australia 
  •  Hong Kong   
  •  New Zealand   
  •  Denmark  
  •  Switzerland    
  •  United Kingdom   
  •  Norway

And not so good places at the bottom:

  •  Haiti 
  •  Central African Republic 
  •  Lesotho   
  •  Sierra Leone   
  •  Congo   
  •  Burundi    
  •  Chad   
  •  Togo   
  •  DR Congo   
  •  Burkina Faso
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Yep agree somewhat that rising mortgage defaults influenced the slight OCR tweak . RE agents and speculators are deluded if they think its all 'Rockstar' from here on... but is nice to see them drunk on the coolade drooling greed , someone grab a mop........lol 

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Australia is in a similar position. Had their central bank raised their OCR so high they would be lowering now too. Surely you aren't going to tell me Australia is a poor country or a bad place to live? Where are these better countries?

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Jimbo, you dont appear to have thought through where the "wealth" has come from/represents or that Wealth is entirely Debt

Its all Leverage and Credit!

We have leveraged the balance sheet for 40 years to keep consumption growing and its now so fragile that a 0.25 basis cut is hailed as the second coming

Its no coincidence this is happening; faked growth is running out of road

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/music/end-of-an-era-bluesfest-falls-sile…

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/boomers-spend-zoomers-struggle-…

The boomers are paper "wealthy" and consuming ... but you dont get to inherit their past consumption

All thats happened is they have ridden a leverage wave which doesn't work in reverse

 

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Yip those nations with high wealth also likely have very high debt (either government or private) relative to GDP. So we’ll developed capital markets that are trusted allows those citizens to become highly leveraged and we call that ‘wealth’ (when it’s also a lot of debt). 
 

NZ household debt has exploded the last 30 years making Jimbo and his mates think everyone is wealthy - when all they’ve done is loaded up young people with housing debt that has been received by Jimbo in the form of housing capital gains. 
https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/households-debt-to-gdp

The young peoples (and leveraged housing investor) high debt is Jimbos asset/wealth. 

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Exactly

And to go back to the Bluesfest (as an micro example of the implications in the wider economy), this is what the organiser correctly states as the problem

"“my greatest fear is what our live music industry is going to look like in a couple of years if we don’t get disposable income to a point where people will spend their money”

Basically, the festival cant afford to run for just Jim and his mates (no offense Jim)

 

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Yip Jimbo missed my point completely that is is GDP and incomes that make a nation wealthy (ie they actually have money to spend in the economy in things other than interest expense, rates and insurances) instead of paper wealth that is tied up in one asset class that is illiquid (property). 

Saying ‘oh look we’re the 6th richest in the world’ could also mean ‘oh look how dangerously elevated/leveraged our house prices are relative to our productivity/GDP/incomes’. 
 

It’s not really a rational way to view wealth in my opinion - but each man views the world the way he wishes to do so. 

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Australia has a much higher GDP per capita than us (and also a highly debt soaked housing market). 

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Australia has snakes, spiders, crocodiles, bull sharks and lots of Australians. I’m good right here thanks.

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Except that NZ$1,000,000 is only US$600,000 so not so much.

 

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On a long enough time-scale, we could all be millionaires with the NZ Peso.

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Nothing.

But you're also unlikely to have high interest rates, low house prices, high employment and living standards.

If we want to fix housing we need to turn it into a high turnover consumable, rather than the ring fenced setup we have.

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Its the same the world over mate. Why don't you move to Turkey I hear the rent went up 60% in a year. Renters with decent jobs now complaining half their pay is going on rent.

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Maybe HFL describes a state of mind

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Okay this was actually pretty funny 

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https://www.ft.com/content/0b8a1c88-c670-4166-823c-7999f3f032bc

'The biggest villain, he argues, is the “unbundled” electricity markets that governments have introduced round the world. These divide the market between generation, distribution and retail, permitting competition to take place at some points in the chain — especially generation. Yet this very process throws up prices that are too volatile to support the upfront capital investment that renewable generators (or, rather, their lenders) require.'

Had to laugh....

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I guess the electricity is always greener on the other side of the fence.

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NZ used to have the cheapest electricity in the developed world. It was a major competitive advantage we had over just about every other country.

Then along came the big US banks who sold the promise of untold riches to those with enough money to buy these assets at rock bottom prices that were based upon the low revenues at that time. -The revenues could be easily ratchetted up due to NZ's small size and the natural oligopoly (really a monopoly) that formed.

How was this sold to an ignorant public? Two ways. The promise (a lie) that private enterprise is always more efficient. And the promise (another lie) that electricity prices would remain low.

NZ has a fine track record of selling public owned monopolies to private enterprise owned oligopolies which do nothing more than slowly ratchet up prices to enrich themselves at the public's expense while pretending competition exists. We're really not that bright a bunch.

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Nah. "We're really not that bright a bunch." It's the pollies who aren't that bright, especially the National party ones who actually did what you describe. 

But then we voted them in......

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They asked us. We said no. They did it anyway. 

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cheers, without researching the detail I couldn't recall that little titbit. It tends to prove that the pollies don't need a mandate to wreak their harm on the country. What is needed is that they be held to account for it.

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a.k.a "what a bad idea, how would we maintain the oligopoly and continue rorting the citizens for a basic need (takes pause to eat caviar and sip bottle of grand cru bordeaux form a solid gold wine goblet)"

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This might be close to the bottom of the housing market as well if you believe RBNZ.

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It’s a “worse than planned” cut I believe. House price projections from rbnz revised down.

The worst part is still ahead.

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Can we say 'less' rather than 'worse'?

Emotions are best left out of it. 

Given planetary depletion, the real 'interest rate' should have been below zero for some time. That is because the physical home for the debt-bet that is money, is permanently decreasing with time. Yet the numbers representing the debt, are increasing with time. The graphs cross, a reconciling must therefore happen. What fits thereafter, is an exponential decrease in the overall buying-power of money. Divvy it up as you will. 

 

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Pretentious comment

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Dissing, as a contorted cranial vehicle for ignoring. 

Excellent strategy. 

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The self appointed MR big brain is projecting 

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He's not wrong when you boil it down to a resource perspective. 

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Nah its a genuine "inflation has been well beaten" cut.

God knows why the US are thinking of cutting, they have sticky inflation that is unlikely to go back to 2% and their economy is still humming. Our CPI will almost be 2% when the next stats are delivered, and ours has a steep downward slope not a sticky flat slope. 

Orr has actually done a fairly good job this time around IMO. 

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So latest Inflation is sitting at 3.3% = outside the band and Orr cut ...

He is talking up Business Surveys about pricing expectations ... as if that is all of a sudden the key piece of policy guidance... Ridiculous. You cant think your way out an imported price increase no matter how hard you try

The US will keep running massive deficits and exporting that inflation

Best hope is the kiwi peso doesn't import too much of it

 

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Yes it is outside the band, but 1.8% of that falls out of the annual rate next month. 

The RBNZ is meant to be predictive, not reactive. 

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Next CPI read is likely to be quite high, Q3 is usually high, it's the quarter when rates get recognized so that alone is likely to be worth close to 0.3% for the quarter, plus all the rest of the goods in the basket.  If the exchange rate doesn't pick back up fuel will give it a nudge too.

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"Nah its a genuine "inflation has been well beaten" cut."

The patient is suffering a huge amount of pain, and still dying, but they've treated the disease, ay?

You call that a "good job"? Geez, I shudder to think what a bad job would look like in your book.

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12/24 months after the yield curve normalises is more likely to be the bottom of the market (ie not now). 

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Financial markets saw little to worry about in this data and seem to feel comfortable that it won't deter the Fed from the rate cuts in the rest of 2024 they have priced in.  Hmmmmm.... Bank Credit, All Commercial Banks

This is what Milton Friedman called the interest rate fallacy, and it indeed refuses to die. We can tell what monetary conditions are in the real economy, as opposed to financial liquidity, though the two can be linked, by the general level of interest rates. When money is plentiful, interest rates will be high not low; and when money is restricted, interest rates will be low not high. The reason is as Wicksell described more than a century ago:

[The natural rate] is never high or low in itself, but only in relation to the profit which people can make with the money in their hands, and this, of course, varies. In good times, when trade is brisk, the rate of profit is high, and, what is of great consequence, is generally expected to remain high; in periods of depression it is low, and expected to remain low.

When nominal profits are expected to be robust, holders of money must be compensated for lending it out by higher interest rates. Thus, the same holds for inflationary circumstances, where nominal profits follow the rate of consumer prices. During the Great Inflation, interest rates weren’t low at all, they were through the roof well into double digits and higher by 1980. At the opposite end in the Great Depression, interest rates were low and stayed there because, as Wicksell wrote, the rate of profit was low and was expected to be low well into the future. High quality borrowers were given as much money as they could want while the rest of the economy was deprived of funds; liquidity and safety being the only preferences in what sounds entirely familiar.

 

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And to answer someone's question from yesterday:

"...when money is restricted, interest rates will be low..."

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Chief Spruiker has Spruiked

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/tony-alexander-the-reserve-banks-rate-cu…

 

But listings are ahead over 33% from a year ago, job security is poor and set to remain that way, net migration flows are falling away very quickly, the rental market has recently shown new weakness, plenty of potential home-buying young Kiwis are leaving the country, and businesses are likely to keep their investment levels low until well into 2025.

Before the end of this year house prices are likely to be rising again. But it pays to remember that while interest rate levels are extremely important when it comes to housing market strength, so too are employment and access to credit. These areas will still take some time to improve.

- Tony Alexander is an independent economics commentator. Additional commentary from him can be found at www.tonyalexander.nz

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Another shot at being almost sensible; the first paragraph in your link, especially. But then he just can't help himself. If he'd left out the words  "Before the end of this year house prices are likely to be rising again. But it pays to remember that while" he'd have more credence.

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Yip even when it’s looks the most grim (ie current economic data) house prices will be rising again in a few months. 
 

I agree in 12 - 24 months after yield curves normalise - but I think it’s just as likely that we see further significant falls in house prices over the next 6-12 months than anything else. 

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The interest rate cut means $25 a week less on $500000 mortgage. Will that inflate house prices? Who knows? The Aussie banks sure know how to pressure Mr Orr to help them out. Now they have to get a whole lot more house loans out before the obvious coming increase in inflation is noticed, and the rate has to go back up. Maybe TA is correct. Maybe now is the best we are going to do in terms of bottom of the market. 

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Hilarious stuff. Anyone that backchecks what he claims he said one, two, or three years ago will realise this current article is making grandiose claims about his predictive competence that have no basis in fact. So should we believe his predictions at this time? That depends on the reader's cognitive biases. Many will.

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91 petrol $2.459 today at Waitomo in the Tron.

What's everyone else paying?

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get the gasspy app, 

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I don't buy 91, don't even put that in the Chainsaw. The price of 98 down here has now pretty much lines up with Auckland at a little over $3.

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5.7l V8 run on 91 since day 1 car is 23 years old and has never missed a beat ...nothing wrong with putting the correct fuel in your car. 

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Correct. Put in what it is designed to run on. Is that a Gen1 powered Statesman?

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Makes you question Zwifter's competence on other subjects, doesn't it.

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All high performance turbo engines, JDM or performance motorbikes, high compression 2 stroke Karts built myself taken to the limits here not some lumbering old V8. Your V8 would still run better on 98, it not "designed" for 91. I suppose you use old 30-40 mineral motor oil as well. Old cars were made for leaded gas or the valve seats crapped themselves, tech has moved on and so has fuel and lubricants.

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A 23 year old V8 would not require leaded petrol, leaded petrol having been phased out in 1996,  nor would it need 98.

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VX Calais International .. 5.7l , LS1 V8  takes 5w-30 Castrol edge full synth oil... runs unleaded 91 ... daily runner ... Im hoping it goes another 10 years without too much drama...not keen on buying someone elses problems...

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$1.547 for diesel at Pak 'n Save Hastings

$2.297 for 91 at Pak 'n Save Hastings.

$2.486 for 95 at NPD Hastings

$2.839 for 98 at BP Stortford Lodge.

But the prize goes to NPD Hastings: $2.666 for 100 octane.

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100 octane? Is that available as a mogas? That around $1 cheaper than Avgas.

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I haven't tried it, I suspect it's an ethanol blend but they don't mention the mix on their website. This is the first time I've spotted it locally, I normally run 98 in my "fun" car (NA, high CR, high rpm, big smiles).

Edit: Kept reading, and...

NPD 100Plus is a specially formulated unleaded petrol with no ethanol content.

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Harris within 3% of Trump in Florida, that would overshadow all the other swing states.

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It would be so fantastic to see Trump lose convincingly, then reluctantly fade into anonymity. 

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He already lost convincingly in 2020.  Would he fade if he lost a second time?  I think the general public would tire of 'stop the steal' chants a second time.

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Fair question. I think another 4 years would be enough to get through some more of his legal cases, so a non-zero chance he'd be in jail and/or bankrupt. Plus a much larger chance of his cognitive decline continuing to the point of embarrassment. 

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where do you see 3%?  I just read Trump 4.7% ahead in florida.  But shes ahead in most of the swing states, so if this holds, Trump is toast.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/where-harris-has-improved-the-most

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Nearly 54% chance of a Dem victory according to Betfair now. Up from ~35% a few weeks ago. 

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I tried to put a bet on Harris on polymarket when Trump was still the favourite.  As soon as Biden stood down i thought it a likely Dem win.  Alas BNZ credit card is blocked from purchasing the crypto you need for polymarket.

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I think Nate silver set up 538 originally , so its good to have a link to his latest , thanks

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The whole of the world except for half the stupid people in the USA are praying for her to win.

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I wouldn’t confuse your own opinion with the views of the rest of the world. 
 

(and don’t get me wrong I’m neither a Trump nor a Harris fan - I think both represent the worst attributes of each side of the political spectrum and will not bring forth the unity and stability the world and America need to solve the current financial/social and geopolitical issues we have - we need something far more moderate than either Harris or Trump - just my view and not to be confused with what the rest of the free thinking world thinks..). 

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yeah..he forgot to mention it is the rest of the free world.

 

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Can you call something so much in debt, free?

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yes

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Trump is pretty obvious, but can you explain what is bad about Harris? (note i don't disagree with you, I just am not aware of much of her background)

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Try someone with a background in law compared to someone who is now a convicted felon. Seriously you couldn't make this shit up. All the legal shit in the world in the USA, you get sued for nothing at all yet no laws against a crim becoming the president.

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The whole of the world except for half the stupid people in the USA are praying for her to win.

You forgot to mention a majority of ACT and NZ FIRST voters who also want Trump to win. Complete outliers to the rest of New Zealanders. And these are the people the coalition are bending the knee to. 

Source Curia poll, August 2024.

https://www.curia.co.nz/2024/08/us-2024-presidential-election-poll/

 

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