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After the hīkoi, the challenge: the Treaty principles debate and an honest reckoning with history

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After the hīkoi, the challenge: the Treaty principles debate and an honest reckoning with history
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By Anne Salmond*

After the hīkoi, the haka, the flags and the tumult, what next?

In the absence of obvious answers, a thoughtful and respectful discussion about te Tiriti o Waitangi/Treaty of Waitangi would be timely, to help guide us into the future.

How can that be managed, however? Like any debate, it will be characterised by differences of opinion, within te ao Māori (the Māori world) as well as beyond it.

How those differences are handled will be vital. And that is the challenge facing the Justice Select Commmittee, now calling for submissions (closing January 7) on the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill.

Diversity and consensus

Aotearoa New Zealand has always been diverse, from the arrival of the first star navigators from different islands in the Pacific, and the migration of different hapū or kin groups around the country, to the arrival of settlers from Europe and elsewhere.

When te Tiriti was signed in 1840, each rangatira (chief), official or missionary who spoke at Waitangi, Mangungu, Kaitaia or elsewhere had their own views about its virtues and weaknesses, its promises and dangers.

Despite that, in 1840 they were able to reach a consensus, on the speaking grounds and beyond. Most of the rangatira who engaged in the debates in fact signed te Tiriti.

Various settlers, missionaries and officials were also involved in these discussions, although their exchanges among themselves and with Governor William Hobson are less well documented.

In 1840, the population was small, perhaps 80,000 tangata māori (indigenous inhabitants) and about 2,050 settlers. It was highly cosmopolitan, with many people (including tangata māori) coming and going to and from other parts of the world.

It was also diverse because not all settlers came from the United Kingdom. By 1840, people from many different parts of the world were living in New Zealand.

No mention of ‘race’ in te Tiriti

The key parties to te Tiriti o Waitangi were the queen of England and her representative, the kāwana or governor, the settlers, the rangatira with their hapū, and ngā tangata māori o Nu Tirani (the indigenous inhabitants of New Zealand).

(In Te Tiriti, the term “māori” is used throughout as an adjective, meaning normal, everyday or, in this context, indigenous. Those who came from England were “ngā tangata o Ingarani”.)

In 1840, the relationships among the various rangatira, hapū and indigenous inhabitants were defined by kinship, not “race” – a colonial concept with no scientific validity and a terrible history, associated with slavery, genocide and other atrocities.

Whānau (extended families) and hapū were highly flexible, with membership being limited by practical commitment as well as descent from a shared ancestor.

These kin groups included those who married in, so long as they contributed to the life of the group. By 1840, some of those who had married in had arrived from outside New Zealand.

Some new arrivals later became the founders of kin groups that were named after them, although their different countries of origin were also remembered – the Manueras, the O’Regans and the Jacksons, for example.

In addition to their kin groups, individuals were identified by their papa kāinga or places of origin, as marked by ancestral mountains and rivers.

The queen was also identified in this same way, by her country of origin, as “Te Kuini o Ingarani” – the Queen of England. This is the idea of “tangata whenua” in action – person and place intertwined. Again, there is no mention of “race” anywhere in te Tiriti.

Many voices, many views: reconstruction of the Signing of the Treaty of Waitangi by Marcus King, 1939. Archives New Zealand, CC BY-SA

What the Treaty articles say

In te Tiriti o Waitangi, each of the parties – queen, kāwana, settlers, each of the rangatira with their hapū, and ngā tangata māori o Nu Tirani – had their own mana.

In the Preamble and Ture/Article 1 of te Tiriti, the rangatira gave the queen, absolutely and forever, the right to appoint a kāwana as a “kai whakarite” (literally, one who makes things equal) to introduce kāwanatanga (governance) and ture (laws) to bring about peace and tranquil living across their lands.

In Ture/Article 2, the queen promised each of the rangatira with their hapū and members that she will uphold the tino rangatiranga (independence) of their lands, dwelling places and all of their ancestral treasures.

This was not a gift, but a recognition of their preexisting rights and duties as tangata whenua (literally, land people) in their own territories.

In Ture/Article 3, in return for the gift of kāwanatanga, the queen promised to protect ngā tangata māori of New Zealand, and give to them “ngā tikanga rite tahi” – absolute equality as persons – with her subjects, the inhabitants of England.

This is a multilateral, rather than a bilateral agreement. In the process of signing te Tiriti, each rangatira and hapū (and their members) retained their tino rangatiratanga, qualified only by their agreement to the exercise of the kāwanatanga of the queen.

They have done so ever since, in the Northern War and the Land Wars, for instance, when some hapū fought for and some against the settler government, and in the modern Treaty settlement process.

Breaking an agreement

So, what does this mean in the 21st century? How can these relationships best be reflected in contemporary constitutional arrangements?

How can we achieve a way forward that weaves us together as New Zealanders, rather than divides us? What kind of process would be wise and fair?

Unfortunately, the Treaty Principles bill starts the debate off on the wrong foot.

Most New Zealanders, I think, would agree that if one party to any agreement – the sale of a house, an employment contract or a divorce settlement, for example – is allowed to alter its terms without reference to the other party or parties, that would be fundamentally unfair.

That is exactly what has happened in the bill, however. Its terms have been drawn up by one party, the Crown – and in reality, by ACT, a small political party with only 8.6% of the vote at the last election – and without the backing of the rest of the coalition government.

The other parties to te Tiriti, the various rangatira and their hapū whose tino rangatiratanga is at stake, and whose members with their tikanga were promised absolute equality with the incoming settlers, have been excluded from having any say about the terms of the bill, and how these change the terms of the original agreement.

Most New Zealanders, if they’d signed an agreement in good faith, would be furious to find the other party was trying to unilaterally change its terms in their own favour. In most situations, that would not only be unfair, it would also be illegal.

If in the process, they were accused of seeking special treatment for themselves, when they were simply trying to uphold the terms of the original agreement, they’d be bitterly angry and upset.

As for individuals, so for groups. As we can see from other countries where different groups are set against each other in this kind of way, whether by “race”, ethnicity or religion, this is dangerous, and the outcomes are generally catastrophic.

Terms and conditions: the hīkoi to protest the Treaty principles bill arrives at parliament, November 19. Getty Images

Seeking consensus

Rather than letting ourselves be polarised into hostile camps, it would be wiser for New Zealanders to regard diversity as a strength, to think of what’s fair for others as well as ourselves, and to weave ourselves together.

To do this, there are a few questions we might ask ourselves.

For instance, what is the debate over te Tiriti really about? Is it really about democracy and the rights of ordinary New Zealanders? Or is it, as has been argued elsewhere, about removing impediments to the privatisation of public assets and projects that might be subject to Treaty claims?

If in Te Tiriti the queen of England solemnly promised each of the rangatira and their hapū and its members te tino rangatiratanga (independence) of their lands, dwelling places and ancestral treasures, and in return they agreed to her kāwanatanga (governance), is it wise, fair or even legal to unilaterally try to redefine that agreement?

If each of the rangatira and their hapū have a measure of autonomy under te Tiriti, how might that work? What might the relationship between tino rangatiratanga and kāwanatanga look like in the 21st century?

How can a consensus fairly be sought on these questions?

If the queen of England promised ngā tangata māori “ngā tikanga rite tahi” (absolute equality) with her subjects, the incoming settlers, has that promise been kept?

If the answer is yes, how can one explain all the negative statistics for Māori in health, education, justice and the economy that demonstrate fundamental inequities at present?

If the answer is no, and the queen’s promise has been broken, how can this situation best be remedied?

Do the promises of tino rangatiratanga and ngā tikanga rite tahi suggest the rangatira, hapū and ngā tangata māori should have a significant say about what approaches are most likely to be effective?

Above all, perhaps, if roles were reversed and the descendants of settlers were the descendants of the rangatira and their hapū – or vice versa – how would they like to be treated?

Perhaps the select committee, under National MP James Meager’s leadership, can help answer these questions.

That will only happen, however, if its members can rise above party politics, attend to the evidence, and work together to promote peace (rongo), tranquil living (ata noho) and the absolute equality (nga tikanga rite tahi) Queen Victoria promised in 1840.The Conversation


Anne Salmond, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology and Māori Studies, University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau  This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

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Instead of reading ACT's treaty propaganda website, just read this and it's all you need to know, by somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.

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We don't actually have to read any of it, its been 150 years, its time to end it here and now because it not doing anyone any good. It will end up going to the vote if you like it or not, that's the way forward from here. 

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But yet you’re here… And didn’t provide any rebuttal to anything Dame Salmond has said.

But going by your logic it would be a brave government to effectively say to New Zealanders that contracts don’t mean anything. I look forward to having that conversation with my bank when I don’t want to abide by their terms anymore.

Given Maori are a party to this particular contract, nothing is going to happen without agreement by both parties, referendum or no. If anything happened otherwise, it will end up in the courts. Not to mention massive civil disobedience.

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In 184 years I suspect that all current contracts will be pretty meaningless. There is no place in a modern world for the likes of a Treaty anymore. What concerns me is that somehow being a New Zealander is somehow not as good as being a Māori. The National party need to have an open debate on this or it will come back and bite them in the next election. If National kill the bill I'm all in on ACT in the next election.

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Does it really matter who's all in on Act next election though? Those votes eat at the Nats. What if the right bloc implodes in the process? Would mirror what the 2020 election looked like, where Act did disproportionately well but it meant nothing because centre voters chose to annihilate National to keep the Greens at bay. Can certainly happen again to sideline Act if need be.

Even if Act get themselves up to 12% or so it only puts their influence on par with the Greens. If they do better then it will spook the horses much like a 20% vote for the Greens would.

The centre has a habit of holding in this place. There is no way a country that voted strongly behind Labour half a decade ago is ready for a majority Act govt.

Instead of piling in behind a minor party with ulterior motives, maybe consider that zero other parties have interest in this. It's about as popular as a communist revolution.

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Two party systems are even worse. Many use game theory in voting to affect an outcome that reaches more consensus with more of the population. Voting for minor parties is still valid whichever one you vote for (of which many are not so minor and even when the leading party has the highest majority it has ever had minor parties still held core leading governance roles on key government departments).

However I have never voted Act. So it remains to be seen what happens next election for results (we have probability of actions, public media guided opinion & chances of black swan events affecting the outcomes). The best guide for results is still the gambling odds websites which are far more accurate then most polls... surprisingly or unsurprising when real money gets put down on knowing the outcome, not just cushy media surveyor jobs that have no responsibility for being accurate or unbiased in designing questions asked.

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So we’re just going to unwind every contact more than a century old? What legal doctrine is this based on?

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Treaty: a  formally concluded and ratified agreement between states.

Contract: a written or spoken agreement, especially one concerning employment, sales, or tenancy, that is intended to be enforceable by law.

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Lapse: to expire due to 1) a significant amount of time having passed or 2) a significantly change in conditions.

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The tradition of general debt cancellation is an integral part of the Jewish religion and of early Christian texts, via Deuteronomy which teaches an obligation to cancel debt every seven years and the Book of Leviticus, on every jubilee, that is every fifty years.

The Qur'an supports debt forgiveness for those who are unable to pay as an act of charity and remission of sins for the creditor.

I've owed the ANZ bank for twenty years and it is getting harder repaying the interest - can/should my debt lapse?

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Lapse? Some elements can never be allowed to lapse. The Magna Carta for instance. The treaty was written, passed and cemented into the foundation of New Zealand as a nation. . It was important that was done then, and it remains important. What needs to be considered and respected is that the world and New Zealand has advanced and altered enormously since then. A mature and responsible reasoning to implementing modern interpretations was always going to become necessary as life and society evolved. Regrettably that ability was suppressed and confused by the subsequent actions of the Crown that disadvantaged one party, The Maori enormously and indiscriminately. It has been the painfully extended and difficult passage of redress for that injustice, that is the root cause of the anger and open discord of today. 

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I guess we throw away everything then after 1 generation? Maybe 2? The modern world changes so damn fast, maybe after 10 years everything lapses? Goodbye US constitution, my parents marriage, any money I saved as a kid must be expired...etc etc. Please enlighten us when you judge each thing to have lapsed Yvil. Maybe forecasts of hurricanes arriving should lapse when Yvil says so too?

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Are guns in the hands of everyone still necessary to repel the british invaders in America or maintain democracy against a raid of undemocratic mobs?

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Here is a rebuttal:

These kin groups included those who married in, so long as they contributed to the life of the group

Don't all New Zealanders contribute to life as a group, so shouldn't we all be considered equal under the treaty.

The protest, everything is not about a discussion it is all about stopping discussion, its about going off on hissy fit every time some even mentions equal rights under the law, like its some kind of crime against humanity. The same thing the NRA does when you mention any time of gun control. Doing a huka or tearing up the bill in parliament, is not having a discussion, its theatrics. Its like an abusive partner that won't even let you talk.

But going by your logic it would be a brave government to effectively say to New Zealanders that contracts don’t mean anything

Nice straw man there, no one said that ALL contracts should mean anything, what people are saying is we should discuss this contract that has been reinterpreted over the past 180 years. And yes SOME contracts should be reexamined if they are deemed to be unfair. This is also not just a contract between the crown and Maori, its a contract that effects every New Zealander. If its between the crown and the Maori and the king and have a meet all the demands, and leave me and my taxes out of it.

Talking about rebuttal how about you do a rebuttal against the points on act treaty site and not  call it propaganda and not your appeal to authority of Dame Salmon.

How about people just read the Act, and the treaty they are both very short instead of letting other people think for you. The act basically states 3 things, current treaty settlements stand, we are considered equal under the law, and it won't come into effect unless a referendum agrees with that. And we have even got promises from 2 of the collation partners that it will not go further than the first reading. What less could it be possible be apart from lets have a bunch of academics and lawyers discuss it amongst themselves and they will let the dumb public know what they think,

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184 years 

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184 years, 200 years, 500 years when will it end ?

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When we see NZ as one irrespective of ethnicity, with the same rules for all.

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When the parties to it choose for it to. Much like the US constitution will end when a bipartisan agreement to end it happens. Or when lawyers redefine the right to bear arms as a literal right to de-limb bears.

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Well, Māori never ceded sovereignty. So it ends when they’re given sovereignty over the entire country again, or the government officially annexes the territory. Until then it’s perpetual bargaining 

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Beat me to it!

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They sure did cede sovereignty when they signed the Treaty.  One of the big talking points in the Waitangi tent, from the tribes against the Treaty, was that they would lose their authority and felt second to the "Governor".  While those for the Treaty were welcoming of the "father", "a judge", "a peacemaker".  

These written accounts were used as evidence to help Maori win a land case so its authenticity cannot be questioned.  

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-lawrie-knight-fact-checking…

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Please refer to "streetwise's post at 7.20pm.

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It will end when we all die, probably while bickering over who's more to blame while global warming kills us all. But even if resolve this matter another one will come up, its human nature to want more, prioritize yourself over others its necessary for survival.

All we can do is try to create a society can talk these thing, even though it is hard, even though it upsets people because the alternative is far worse, people just resent each other until we just snap.

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It's what happens when you blanket tell everyone of a certain race they're victims, without any meaningful explanation about what it is they're a victim of.  When we try to have a reasoned conversation about these things, it's an attack on their victim status, further exasperated by those who know their position doesn't stand much scrutiny, so they make a lot of noise and throw out ad hominem to distract.  

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Refer to "streetwise's post at 7.20pm

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"If each of the rangatira and their hapū have a measure of autonomy under te Tiriti, how might that work? What might the relationship between tino rangatiratanga and kāwanatanga look like in the 21st century?

How can a consensus fairly be sought on these questions?"

The key point....and much as many would like to naysay Seymour has forced these questions upon the public who are the ones who have to resolve them due to the fact that Parliament is sovereign.

 

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If NZers migrate to the AUS have the same rights as everyone else while having less rights in NZ than a certain group of people, then ......

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But Kiwis in Australia have fewer rights than Australian citizens. It is being a citizen that makes a difference whether you are in China, NZ or any other country.

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They as citizens have the same rights and always have. I think you mean those with no residency, no citizenship.

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From their website:

Unlike Australian citizens, a permanent resident generally cannot:

  • have an Australian passport
  • vote in Australian Government elections unless you enrolled (as a British subject) before 26 January 1984
  • access student loans
  • join the Australian Defence Force
  • obtain ongoing work in the Australian Government
  • return to Australia from overseas without a valid travel facility (you do not have automatic right of entry to Australia).

Student loans might be significant. My Kiwi son is living and working in Oz.

I'll admit they have most of the same rights but not all. Maori / Pakeha may have similar grumbles.

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Yes there are differences between visas, residency and citizenship, (not just in the name but pretty self explanatory) but an australian with residency and a NZ with residency both have the same rights & benefits as each other (and yes there are australians with residency instead of citizenship). Here is a clue get citizenship if you are so worried about family not getting freebies or participating in military roles & scholarships. I have had family extensively across both countries. Citizenship is easy to get if you are ablebodied and without a criminal history... so what is stopping your family? Is it that they do not have the nous and wanted to complain about not getting a free ride before applying for citizenship. The process would not have taken them long to get so if it was so significant obviously your family must not be capable of citizenship if they could not wait,... which begs the question why. also protip pakeha is a meaningless term in australia, and in NZ it is a racist term that excludes most the NZ population & most ethinicities and also includes Maori discriminated against by their birth by others so go fish on that front.

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Now do the Uyghurs. 

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Leave them alone, China has taken out most of them already. But I guess in NZ only the disabled were worthy of slavery, forced sterilization, reeducation camps and forced imprisonment and torture without any form of equal rights even today.

If the bill does get passed it will be the first piece of NZ legislation that includes disabled people to have equal rights which not even our bill of rights does (with severe deadly exemptions of disabled people from basic rights that affect their ability to live at all in NZ).

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Maori people of today have a totally different lifestyle to Maori of 200 years ago, and enjoy the same lifestyle provided by non Maori.  The Treaty is from an antiquated time and has no relevance for today's way of life.

Let's get rid of the treaty and live life under equal rules for all for today's world. 

Equally, let's remove the "Queen", and let NZ become an independent Republic with equal rules for all, no matter what ethnicity.

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This could quite possibly be the single most intellectually compromised statement you have posted. For a start "Maori people" is tortology & 99.9% of the planet has a different lifestyle than they did 200 years ago, what is your point?

Most Central London property is 125y lease, I might move there and get some of that. Maybe the British can get HK back as well?  hahaha

Give me a single example where you personally have been treated differently here.

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You are totally out of touch with New Zealanders. The reason New Zealanders are not marching up and down the country is because it would be seen as racist. New Zealanders will instead vote at the ballot box, where they get their say without being called a racist.

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Much like the internet, it's still racist if you do it away from where people can see and judge you.

Ultimately everyone would be racist if it was accepted. We saw this on a widespread basis only 60 years ago in this country. It's human nature to categorise people, much like murder is a natural reaction to people you don't like.

Civil society has gradually put in place boundaries to make this stuff not acceptable. There's plenty of things people would vote to end if they couldn't be scrutinised for it. We'd quite likely ban immigration if given the chance, for instance.

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What is racism is treating people different based on their race. What people have done is screamed racism from the top of their lungs so that logic no longer matters and people are afraid being stigmatized with racism.

Yes people are trying to redefine it to say its ok if you are doing it against a group you define as bad, or a group you define as disadvantaged while all you are really doing is being racist against a different group.

I think most people know that but are too afraid to say it in public because of the social consequence.

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That paragraph was a concentrate of vapid NZ dimwittery if I’ve even seen one.

“Provided by non Māori” Most of the quality of life improvements since the treaty have been provided by non pakeha too. They’ve come from places like the United States.

And what little was provided by colonists, also came with many things that were imposed.

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"And what little was provided by colonists, also came with many things that were imposed."

Like voting rights and empowerment for women. Cant let those uppity females have a voice in leadership roles without it being forced by law. Yet I am sure many in iwi & gang leadership are still complaining.

how about defining a less biased and fairer system of justice then the violence & bias of utu that is determined in a nepotistic and undemocratic way.

Oh no can't have a more balanced system of justice then the might makes right of utu.

Farming then, nah lets strip all native species to extinction before we ever consider a basic level of sustainable food gathering.

In reality other ethnicities and social groups faced far more discrimination & abuse then Maori ever did in NZ. As in any rapidly advancing culture priorities change & the people change focus to what is important to develop with times and wider world view. When a culture rapidly goes from early stone age to leapfrog millennia to access more modern development, tech and practices there will always be a significant loss of interest in maintaining old practices (this happens in many cultures and even the drive to move from rural to city communities). There is also a huge shift in collective ownership that is in reality owned and dominated by leadership of a single tribe family to accommodate individual property rights for each of the people within a tribe. Yet some people are stuck still trying to use abuse, threats, misinformation & violent gestures in placed of actual arguments to retain the higher levels of power over people they used to control with a fist. Losing the absolute power and influence they have over the lives of people they viewed as weaker did cause them to throw fits and break agreements.

Iwi still do not honour the rights of most Maori even today & disenfranchise most of the population within their region. For instance just ask Ngai Tahu leadership about how equitable they are with the wealth they amassed from settlements when they also have some of the poorest families with unmet living needs. All animals are equal, except some animals are more equal then others. Oh no can't be honest about corruption.

 

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I think the root cause of the electoral backlash against 3 waters etc was not that of racism, but it was opposing a group gaining control over assets that are owned by everyone. If ACT do follow a path of transferring public assets to private control the electoral backlash could be just as severe. 

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We already had the referendum on asset sales. Though I'm sure Act wouldn't be selective about which referendums are sacrosanct.

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It won’t go away there will be a referendum in time. When that will be who knows but as the country becomes increasingly multi cultural the treaty becomes more and more incongruent. 

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There are now more Chinese and Indians than Māori so perhaps we need some new Treaties ? Pretty sure both of those groups, if asked would be proud to be called New Zealand citizens like the rest of us.

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"" how can one explain all the negative statistics for Māori in health, education, justice and the economy that demonstrate fundamental inequities at present? ""

It has to be culture. If it was a policy to keep them in second place then how can we explain the numerous exceptions - half the Maori I know are multi-millionaires owning large mansions. How do you explain those ethnicities that do better than average Pakeha and Maori - such as the exceptional educational achievement of some Asian immigrants? 

Where Maori can prove a disadvantage such as lack of medical facilities in some remote parts of NZ then they should be corrected. It doesn't need a treaty just a fair go.

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I am amazed at some of the comments on this site. How would any of the people who made them feel if someone came up to their property today with a weapon and took control of their land, home and other assets. Even worse if the perpetrators raped and killed members of their family. Thats actually what happened regularly after the Treaty was signed. Would you just get over it and move on. I doubt it. The Treaty must stay and the people who lost land and members of their family to violence must be fully compensated. For the record I am a European boomer. 

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Like many Maori hapu did to other tribes and even my hapu. Where is my treaty to get more of my land back from the invading hapu, where is my allowance for use of my culture in artwork in my business without having to consult the invading iwi hapu leaders who over a hundred years later still stole physical taonga from my family, where is my rights to have my & families will and testament followed and not have our bodies stolen by those who sexually abused them because of "cultural" practices. You want a reason why Maori often face worse outcomes; look no further then other Maori. With a choke hold on cultural use, medical science denial, discouragement for education and abuse of individual property & contract rights even to the ownership of a person's own body and culture. Leaseholds, withholding treaty settlements and huge nepotism in contracts is also a way the corrupt hapu can hold a multimillion wealth divide between them and the poorest in the area. The Maori party are some of the least ethical with more inequity that they push to further the wealth divide between their hapu and those with real disadvantage. They are the most abusive corrupt politicians we have (which in a predominantly 2 party system of centrists says a lot). 

Tell you what come back after you survive a home invasion by the mongrel mob for no other reason then they see you as less empowered being poor & have the iwi shelter the abusers. Then tell me how you feel. Tell me when the abuse kills your family how you feel. For the record we don't all have the luxury of a single ethnicity and we know there are numerous ethnicities in Europe historically so pretending that it is one amorphous group is disenfranchising hundreds of distinct cultural ethnic groups, with more then millennia spent in their traditional lands and tens of thousands of human development behind them. Maori migrated like everyone else so to draw a line as being solely NZ is cutting off most the history and NZ never was owned by any one culture. There are less then a few centuries of human history here, most of which had multi ethnic migration from multiple cultures. It never was just British & one single Maori culture. Go back to basic history 101 and our anthropologic archaeological remains.

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great post

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Luckily, the atrocities you describe have not happened to any Maori or non Maori alive. So, I suppose that you will agree that we can move on ?

Otherwise, if there is no past time limit, we could talk about the genocide of Maori exterminating Moriori.

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(Don't mention them eating and enslaving each other.)

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Don't mention the musket wars. 

Mind you, some would have you believe Maori tribes were peacefully cohabitating and foraging the land together in harmony.  That was until the white man came along, taught them violence and how to operate guns.  

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I think it was Alan Duff that said that 'for good reason Maori had invented gated communities long before white people showed up'. Hardly an idyllic, peaceful, pacific paradise.

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The debate is simpler than you claim. Legislation referred to the "principles of the Treaty of Waitangi", but did not actually say what those are; this Bill will codify them. If Parliament can refer to these principles (as a novel concept, at the time), then it stands to reason that it can also say what it thinks they are.

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Bipartisan legislation did, yeah. And if a bipartisan treaty principles bill were to be introduced without it being designed to redefine the standing principles, simply to set them in stone where they're widely agreed now and prevent further creep, I'm sure almost everyone would be onboard with that.

But this bill seeks to redefine and weaken the treaty, as you can see in the comments of those that support it calling for the treaty to be set aside. If TPM introduced a bill with the exact same goals as this one, many such supporters wouldn't be on board. That's your clue.

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"..... the Treaty Principles bill starts the debate off on the wrong foot ...."
Possibly, but I have my doubts. The principles of the treaty have been bandied about
and I haven't found them yet. I'm digging around legislation and so far the
following words taken from the 1987 appeals court case and the Waitangi Tribunal Act 1975, which are often referenced as having the principals are no such thing.

It appears to me the high powered lawyers, barrister, solictors whatever forgot to define what the principles were back when the WT Act 1975 was drawn up.
Maybe they interpreted the principles to be the articles. If so they should have said so and I do not believe they are.
These are phrases which appear in the 1987 appeals court case and WT Act 1975 and probably other legislation as well
".... are contrary to the principles of the Treaty...", "...inconsistent with the principles of the treaty....",
"...the practical application of the principles of the Treaty...",
"...An Act to provide for the observance, and confirmation, of the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi..."

I'll go with Winnie when he says there are no principals and both he and Luxon should have become a broken record and say all references to the principles the treaty will be removed from legislation within the next three months. After all they have had at least six months to do this since taking office. It would have taken the wind out of the sails of DS. I understand that Winnie could never support DS as DS is stealing all of Winnies limelight and there's no love lost between them.
I'd like a repeated emphatic statement that the removal of references to the principals the the treaty will be removed from all legislation otherwise I'm all for DS's Bill.

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I accuse Anne Salmond of deliberately not mentioning the Littlewood document  (aka The Littlewood treaty or Busby's final draft).  It is the only extant document clarifying the meaning of the Treaty.

On July 23 1992 the Littlewood family, living for generations in the same property in rural Pukekohe since the years before 1840, and being in continuous possession of this document, donated it to National Archives after being told it would be fully investigated, restored where necessary, and put on display in the Constitution Room.  The Littlewood document briefly made the news in1992 when a whistle-blower in Archive New Zealand is believed to have leaked word of its discovery, but little more of it was heard of for nearly a decade.  In 2001 John Littlewood wrote to Archives asking why the document was not on display.  He received no response. A complaint to Archives Minister Marion Hobbs eventually got the document exhibited, but in a way that concealed the problematic material; and its importance was further downplayed by its being labelled "A Contemporary Copy of the Treaty of Waitangi,1840".

Finally, in 2017 the document was removed from the Constitution Room because it was deemed too fragile for public display.

A statement on Archive New Zealand's website makes the following assertions:

Scholars disagree (about this document...)..

etc, etc,

Te Tiriti is the only Treaty of Waitangi.  However, it is as close to a literal translation of the Littlewood document as is practicable.  In other words, they mean the same thing.

There are three articles in the treaty.   Here, I will just give Article 2:

"The Queen confirms and guarantees to the chiefs and their tribes and to all the people of New Zealand, possession of their lands, dwellings and to all their property.  But the chiefs of the confederation of the United Tribes and the other chiefs grant to the Queen, the exclusive right of purchasing such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to sell at such prices that may be agreed upon between them and the person appointed by the Queen to purchase from them."

Note that it says 'all the people of New Zealand', not just Maori.  Almost all of the land in the possession of non-Maori today was legitimately acquired under Article 2 of the Treaty.

The above is cited from a 61/2 page researched and written by a friend of mine, a retired senior public servant, who was in a position to study the Treaty during his work.

In the interests of balance I think that Interest.co should publish the full research document.  I can arrange this if Interest.co emails me.

 

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Tediously and endlessly splitting hairs * over a hastily conceived , poorly drafted document that  passage of time rendered irrelevant for the modern world. 

*  "Mieren neuken" is better .. 

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If Maori didn't cede sovereignty, then why did they need to sign anything?  Discussions were held on the day (and days preceding) so it must have been well understood what was happening.  

Article 2 which infamously discusses tino rangatiratanga, also requires land be sold (only) to the Queen.  How can the one clause that allegedly maintains Maori sovereignty (through Maori retaining land) at the same time give the process for that very land sale.

It has just become a game of reinterpretation and rewriting by modern day academics and lawyers.

The chiefs on the day would have likely well understood that once land was sold, they no longer controlled it - that had already been happening for 20 plus years in the north.

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The article doesn't mention the widespread notion that the thinking around the treaty has been quietly evolved by an academia, legal profession and public service technocracy in ways removed from democracy and have excluded the majority's voice from the debate.

ACT's bill may not be the best way to do it, but we don't look to be mature enough as a society to hold a reasoned debate in the face of entrenched positions. It is also bringing the debate in to the public sphere where both the majority can have a say and the process is less controlled by vested interests.

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If the queen of England promised ngā tangata māori “ngā tikanga rite tahi” (absolute equality) with her subjects, the incoming settlers, has that promise been kept?

 

in today's new zealand, there are many people who are neither British King's subject,  nor belongs to iwi.  who are they? what are they?  to live in a country that's belong to nothing?

One solution is to become a republic, for the British Monarch to return sovereignity back to New Zealand compeletely.  so that we as a country can be as a normal country. and 'the crown' can literally be for all new zealanders. 

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