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Grant Robertson defends his record and calls for tax reform in final speech to Parliament

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Grant Robertson defends his record and calls for tax reform in final speech to Parliament
Grant Robertson gives his valedictory speech
Grant Robertson gives his valedictory speech in Parliament

“Numbers don’t tell the full story,” Grant Robertson said to a near full house of his parliamentary colleagues from both sides of the house on Wednesday. 

A quick headcount would’ve revealed a conspicuous absence of the entire New Zealand First caucus, but Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his finance rival Nicola Willis were there. 

Numbers may not be everything, but Roberton’s farewell missive, spanning three decades in politics, was full of numbers that have defined his career. 

From his first start in the Beehive where his job was to “count to 61” for Helen Clark’s chief of staff, to the “nine long years” in opposition as the MP for Wellington Central — he was always counting. 

He didn’t list the five failed Labour leaders and his own unsuccessful bids that came before Jacinda Ardern took them into Government, with a little help from Winston Peters.

“When Jacinda asked me to be the Minister of Finance, I told her it was on one condition – that I was Minister of Sport and Recreation as well,” he said in his speech. 

“She said a few people had expressed interest in that role. I asked her how many of them she had asked to be Minister of Finance?” 

His successor, Nicola Willis, laughed perhaps too enthusiastically as he described the antics of his colleagues while negotiating budget allowances in their portfolios. It’s a difficult job.

“I was going to ask the Parliamentary Library to calculate how many times I used the word “balance” as Minister. But I feared the computer server would explode,” he quipped. 

Robertson's first two budgets were in surplus and he looked likely to carry on the fiscally responsible legacy of his mentor Michael Cullen. 

New spending in those budgets—the Winter Energy Payment, free year of university, and more support for families—are mostly surviving the change in Government.

Anything less is austerity 

Robertson defended the increase in Government spending as a percentage of the economy that had occurred under his watch as being a necessary correction from austerity. 

“When we entered government in 2017, government spending was 27% of GDP. That’s not enough,” he said.

“It’s the reason why we had sewage running down the walls of hospitals, it's why nurses and doctors were so underpaid, it's why we saw a growth in homelessness and more kids in poverty”. 

Labour’s spending peaked at above 34% of GDP during the pandemic and was forecast to slowly shift back towards 30% — though some were skeptical that prediction would play out. 

“The long run average is a bit over 30%. Anything less is in my mind austerity. We are still dealing with the intergenerational damage from that approach in previous decades. We must not repeat the same mistakes”. 

Robertson also argued New Zealand had received a good return from the higher spending in the form of more state homes, classrooms, apprentices, and front-line worker pay.

But it was the enormous wave of spending unleashed in the face of the pandemic that will always be the biggest part of Robertson’s legacy.

Pandemic stimulus

He recalled the Cabinet meeting in which they agreed to shut the borders in early 2020. 

“I tried to lighten the moment by noting that I knew when we went into coalition with New Zealand First our immigration policies might change, but I didn’t think it would go quite this far. Jacinda didn’t laugh.” 

Economic forecasts at the time were suggesting bond markets could dry up, business would fail en masse, and unemployment would climb to 13.5%. 

“The government’s approach to the virus was to go hard and early. In the finance space this translated to focusing on cashflow and confidence,” he said. 

The wage subsidy was designed to keep people in their jobs, save businesses, and be available almost immediately. It ended up costing roughly $19 billion. 

Other schemes were set up to support specific parts of the economy: cashflow loans for small business, finance guarantees for larger ones, and the covid-19 income relief payment.

It all worked. Unemployment stayed below 5.5% and international rating agencies actually upgraded New Zealand’s credit worthiness. 

“These great results of course pale into insignificance in the face of the one statistic that matter: the number of lives saved. On that measure New Zealand stood head and shoulders above others, with lower death rates than in normal years,” Robertson said. 

Unfinished business

Robertson spoke about his legislative achievement modernising the Reserve Bank — most of which will survive despite the Coalition Government removing the employment mandate.

And he also called attention to the Depositor Compensation Scheme which the central bank is busily working on implementing to go live next year. 

“New Zealand has been an outlier with not having a formal protection scheme for depositors when a financial institution goes belly up,” he said. 

“Our strong prudential framework makes this a rare occurrence, but the worst can happen (think South Canterbury Finance) we need to give account holders and investors confidence that their money is safe”.

However, there was one big job he didn’t get done: reforming the tax system which leans too heavily on income and spending — while largely leaving capital alone.

“New Zealand’s tax system is unfair and unbalanced. We are almost alone in the OECD in terms of not properly taxing assets and wealth in some form,” he argued. 

“It is not my place any longer to say specifically what the answer is here, but I do know that the answers are out there. And this is not a message for my party alone. The truth is that we need some political consensus about this to ensure we get it right and it sticks”. 

The IMF agrees but Willis doesn't. After the speech she shook his hand and asked him to sign an infamous political cartoon by The Post's satirist Sharon Murdoch

It depicts Willis looking over the precipice of a metaphorical fiscal hole and asking for the plan to fill it, as Robertson pushes her in.  

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I think  that quantitive easing/money printing is now the modus operandi across the political spectrum and we should all plan accordingly. 

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It will happen at the first opportunity. When that will be and how long it will work this time around though...

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/central-banks-face-a-horrible-choice-warns-the-prophet-of-the-great-recession-20240320-p5fdtg.html

True QE would be the sensible approach in my opinion. That is, targeted credit creation. Higher rates for borrowing to buy existing assets, lower rates for borrowing for productive investment. Let the housing market burn and focus on jobs and production.

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“New Zealand’s tax system is unfair and unbalanced. We are almost alone in the OECD in terms of not properly taxing assets and wealth in some form,” he argued. 

If only he got the chance to be in some sort of position of influence in a majority government...

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Lol

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For the next government to repeal it. That was the sticking point.

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So the sticking point is... We know we are hopeless and will only get one term so we wont do anything.

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no , it is that it needs a concensus between both sides , similar to what Shaw achieved with the ETS.

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Shaw did that without even being in formal coalition with any party. Robertson was Finance Minister in an MMP Majority party.

They could have passed it on day one. The likelihood of National repealing a law three years old was pretty remote. In fact it was entirely plausible that the policy if successful could have stopped the unprecendented decline in Labour's fortunes, meaning Nats wouldn't have been in power this term anyway.

All a bunch of what ifs though. The only thing for certain is that he didn't, then moaned that no one did it.

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"The likelihood of National repealing a law three years old was pretty remote."

Really? Have you seen what the government has been doing lately? Repealing Labour's recent law changes under urgency takes up most of their time.

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In fairness, most of the policies which have been repealed are yet to come into effect.  A few notable exceptions, but by and large not established policy.

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Fair point, but this government seems to have little concern for due process, sunk cost or disruption. I expect they are just grabbing the low hanging fruit first.

I do believe Labour should have used their power to push for more in their last term. I think the right are playing a completely different ball game to the left, and at the moment, the right are winning.

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Grant Robertson, you had six years in parliament and you did not implement capital gains. Why not? Because it is political suicide. And you know it.

You are a hypocrite, and you failed. Back to university you go...

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Is it political suicide when polling shows 60+% of the population supports it?  Perhaps when the rentier class will pour money into the 'no' campaign.

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The sticking point is voting. Older entitled property speculators vote in far larger numbers than the younger generations they're shaking down. Hence, property is given a free ride yet they still expect to garnish the younger folks' wages to pay their universal old age benefit too.

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Do believe the Attorney General’s report December 2023, of indiscriminate, unaccounted and extravagant spending of $15 billion supposedly on infrastructure or whatever summed up Mr Robertson’s abilities in general. Mr Robertson, whose only response possible was an acknowledgment and an apology, obviously should  agree.

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the statement is not true. we do tax on properties, real estate to be more precise. we tax capital gains on residential property sales using bright line test, we tax every property called council rates. 

what's missing here is a proper CGT. Grant Roberson & Co couldn't make CGT a reality because they couldn't promise tax neutral with the new CGT, all it was seems nothing but a government trying to grab more tax out of people. on top of that, was huge waste of government spending. 

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we tax capital gains on residential property sales using bright line test

In theory. How often does this actually happen though?

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We also have a wealth tax on property, its called Rates, the amount has no bearing on the services you use, the number of occupants per household, but on the value of your property, if you live in an area that has higher property values you pay more and vice versa.  Granted not a universal wealth tax, but a tax based on property wealth to supply the same services to properties of different values.

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Also not done properly and needs adjusting. Should be more on the unimproved value of the land.

Pure use isn't particularly representative either. It costs a lot more to run pipes to somewhere further away from the freshwater dam, than somewhere close.

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This is technically correct but not true… Rates don’t cover the cost of services so therefore cannot be considered a wealth tax. They used to be a form of land tax when they were a percentage of property value, but the voting public didn’t like that and now they are worse version. 

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Whether or not they do or don’t cover the cost of services is immaterial. The point is that the proportion of rates that a property pays is mostly based & calculated on the value of the property. How else can it be explained for two neighbouring properties of the same sized land, same sized structure, same street frontage that one pays $9800.00 pa and the other $6400.00. The answer is the former is a rebuild from the Canterbury EQs. Put it into any argument you like but the fact is that one household is being rated or taxed higher than the other simply because it is worth more and if that is not a wealth tax, then what precisely is.

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Wasn't possible, because those big nasty meany business owners, property investors and rich pricks who were definitely going to vote Labour (right?!) made it all a bit difficult.

In all seriousness, it's a disgraceful comment for Robertson to make. His government could have done it, were in a position to easily do so (and you'd imagine if it worked out it might even have saved Labour politically) but they bottled it. Lame.

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The rhetoric around Robinson during the last few days is unbelievable. Mostly from himself! He honestly believes he was a great finance minister! No! He is a pompous, financially illiterate twat who in 6 years over saw the most massive waste of taxpayer funded debt this country has ever seen! For Otago University to then employ him with their own financial issues is astounding. The less we hear about this buffoon the better!

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Correct....let me list just a few of the great 'investments' the Labour Govt. made.

The abandoned Income Insurance Scheme, the moronic gun buyback, Pike River, the TVNZ/RNZ merger, the Harbour Bridge Cycleway, 3 Waters, bike lanes no one uses, the Light Rail fail, and 14,000 extra bureaucrats. 

Lots of boondoggles and billions down the gurgler. He shouldn't be put in charge of a toy train set. 

 

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Wingnut - he had what your little landed fellow doesn't have; empathy. He cared for others. 

His task - to continue infinite consumption growth - was an impossible one, as it increasingly is/will be for this rabble. 

Both were operating from a looking-backwards song-sheet; both increasingly inappropriate - as is showing up around the First -World; Victoria Nuland's departure should have made the media think (it didn't); times are a' changing. 

Increasingly, we are going to see spin like yours, full of noise but short of research (doggedly assuming BAU was continuable, therefore...). 

I'd fee sorry for you, but....I seem to have given my empathy to deserving others...

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The last thing you need to do is feel sorry for me.

That buffoon was an always waffling on about wealth taxes. Well if I was caught in it, which would be more than likely, I was leaving this country. Both my kids are already overseas with my blessing. I had already discussed leaving NZ with my wife, and she agreed that in the event of some kind of punitive taxes we were going to abandon the sinking ship. 

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Ditto. Not so much for a possible CGT but the general state of NZ in 20-30 years. Actively looking at pension transfer and where we could maintain a modest but semi-comfortable life style. We only see worsening crime and a decaying health system.

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Wingnut - the sinking is GLOBAL. 

Being overseas is equivalent to being on the upper decks - a waste of strategic time. 

And a cranial failure to scope...

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The sinking is not global, it's local, thanks to Comrade Arden and her apprentice Chippy, who skewered the NZ economy with lockdowns, and gouging the very industries this country needs....farming, airlines and tourism.

Why do you think thousands of kiwis abandoned NZ for Australia? You need to give up on the global warming BS. It's cold as here, and I'm North of Auckland. 

 

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Exactly. Racist ethnostate + CGT + Wealth tax = Last one to leave turn out the lights.

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I had already discussed leaving NZ with my wife, and she agreed that in the event of some kind of punitive taxes we were going to abandon the sinking ship. 

Do you place such a low value on your existing community relationships? Seems like one hell of an overreaction unless other unmentioned factors are playing a part. Could definitely understand if you already have strong ties with people overseas of course (have done the same myself).

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Hahahahahaha. Now you try to defend an indefensible moron. Nice one. You don’t like waste and this this guy is the biggest most useless waster this country has ever known.

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Worst finance minister in living memory. Significant flaw in democracy that this incompetent fool could become finance minister

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Portrays himself to himself as a having a 'balanced' approach.  But basically was a mad spender.

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Yes...the definition of a socialist,,,,,,,someone who likes to spend other people's money. 

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Isn't the explicit aim of capitalism to get other peoples money?

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Sort of, but the idea is you work for it, not steal it. 

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It's fundamentally an altruistic system - in order to profit you have to provide value to others, so it incentivises people to provide for society.  Like any human endeavour there are exceptions, and it is open to corruption, but the basic concept is quite phenomenal.

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American acquaintances explain a socialist as - someone who wants to take money off us that we have earned, paid tax on and saved to give to someone who has done none of those things. Alternatively Orwell, something like - it’s not so much that socialists love the poor, it’s their hatred of the rich that drives them.

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Foxglove - earned? 

Think carefully about what that word avoids. 

Most of us are parasitic on the energy/resource throughput. We don't 'earn' anything (with the knock-on truth that 'money' is not a guaranteed 'store of value'). 

We obtain a socially-agreed amount of proxy, and hope to exchange it for processed parts of the planet. Often there are interim parcel-passings, but that is the end-move for 'earnings'. Since WW2, there was a temporary abundance of planetary parts, and in our country, a degree of egalitarianism. There are no longer enough planetary parts - if the Third World was raised to our level of consumption, we'd need 5 planets right now, and 10+ planets beyond fossil energy. The only way we can live maintainably, through the inevitable reduction period, is in an egalitarian manner. 

The other thing to note, is that prior irruptions (Rome, etc) showed stratification and monuments-to, in the last 100 years. Jared Diamond, Joseph Tainter are first go-to's on that. We are running that 'last 100 years', at global scale - the first and only time it can be done. Makes all on the current political spectrum, obsolete. Fitzsimons was the last 'pollie' who got all that. 

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American words not mine but nonetheless the practice is well established and recognised, even before recorded time one would think and unchangeable unless the world is to suddenly convert into one great commune. To work and not earn either by wage or barter or similar is unusual, although some home keepers might justifiably disagree, but the obvious exception is slavery. 

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Well looking at the governments policies lately, you can clearly see who they hate. Beneficiarys, disabled people, renters, employees. Anyone poor really.

By the way, do you count rental income as 'earned and taxed income'?

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Took it to be a remark entirely in its simple sense eg, try Chambers. Earn, verb - to gain (money, wages, one’s living, etc) by working.

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Sadly Chris Hipkins gets to wash his hands of it even though his name and signature is on the report indicating they will deny disabled carers pay equity (and minimum entitlements) and they did not fund for EGL rollout nationwide, crippling the funding available to mere millions while pushing billions towards executives, managers and third party paper pushing providers. By focusing on political drama mud tossing even though both groups are responsible nothing gets done for either governments (they can always point backwards and forwards and never take real responsibility).

Sadly this is why as even Waka Kotahi recent reports states nothing has effectively improved disability transport and access to transport in decades and in many areas transport access has been further removed. Most politicians don't care and will not do anything to critically improve lives of disabled in their first term, everything is pushed to next term in an effort to get votes. See the vapid and worthless accessibility bill & ministry for more funding to magically disappear with no actual actions, & the ministry is focused on stalling, deflecting and treating disabled people as debt chattels.

Hence why outside of single token appointment the leadership of new ministry was the same ablebodied, often ableist non disabled people, many from the previous ministries; who so hated accessibility and equitable living for disabled people and don't speak up/don't stand up for ethics and rights based approach. There is no transparency when the funding issues were well known before mid last year and no one spoke up... publicly. The writing was on the wall for many but sort of expected this type of action to happen way earlier... I guess it crashing before or around the election would have been unseemly though, hence why the pay equity was finally canned last last minute (after using up all possible delays and extensions) in very small hidden releases in October last year trying to fly under the radar, so in December it could be blamed on the next government.

Your failure was to lay blame to people who did not set the last budget that failed and defunded lives to death, overspent billions instead, and cancelled actions that took effect before the election but take time for the public to be aware of them. It is like to you the ministries have no responsibility and it is solely the MPs for the current govt. We had 6 years of Labour blaming National for things which after the first 3 years they really did lose credibility when they started blaming National for policies they themselves put in place, (like defunding and removing disability transport access). Both governments hate those who are dependent on support because of designing systems and infrastructure that denies them their ability to be independent. Because those people show the failures of govt designs.

 

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Many a capitalist could be described as someone that wants to take money off us to invest in things that will increase their property value (the hidden refund that property owners get that others don't). It's all swings and roundabouts. No getting away without taxation to fund shared needs.

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For Otago to hire him just shows you how little they actually care about actually doing good for the Uni and students.   

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While government spending went up, there is a yawning silence about what it was spent on, and if the spending was useful, effective and efficient. None of those are the hallmarks of government projects.

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"“These great results of course pale into insignificance in the face of the one statistic that matter: the number of lives saved. On that measure New Zealand stood head and shoulders above others, with lower death rates than in normal years,” Robertson said"

The often repeated bu%%sh% lives saved ometer ... supposedly to justify an irrational way way way way over the top response to  a bad flu season

Well if you completely stop the country, The road toll goes to zero.

Grants Conclusion: Such a great idea. We should stop the country indefinitely

 

 

 

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There first meeting regarding covid was to find out how many body bags NZ had . Conclusion was not enough. ditto all health services.

We will never know how many lives would have been lost had we not locked down, all we can count is how many experts and hypocritical politicans we have in hindsight. 

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They threw all planned pandemic responses out the window and came up with a shambles & lolly scamble

Based on some stats plonker doing graphs ... sponsored by fizzer

 

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Yep, statistics - of the lies, damned lies, and statistics ilk.

Rather than New Zealand being unique, in having negative cumulative excess deaths in the COVID-19 era, cumulative deaths are about four percent above expected deaths (through 2022) once population growth rate changes are accounted for.

John Gibson (2024) Cumulative excess deaths in New Zealand in the COVID-19 era: biases from ignoring changes in population growth rates, New Zealand Economic Papers, 58:1, 95-106, DOI: 10.1080/00779954.2024.2314770 

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As I pointed out above, that is a backwards-looking posit.

I have long had a copy of 'The Coming Plague'- and I can tell you, that wasn't the 'big one'. Humankind has used fossil energy to lever its population beyond the overshoot that other species can manage, and one way or another, physics WILL prevail; by century's end we will be south of 3 billion, perhaps near-extinct.

The best way to address that, is to have a mature conversation about 'the best way forward, given encroaching Limits. The signs are there for all to see (HT Cohen) but so many choose to not.....

All political Parties are guilty of avoiding that, despite it being THE issue (all else being rendered irrelevant). 

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PDK you have a view - but what actually is the best way forward.

As a species if we have overshot a plague may be the result - or some other disaster, always possible. At an individual level its death, maybe the end of the family tree but nature doesnt care to much. For the species its highly unlikely to be extinction and improbable that it will happen in the timeframe you consider

For me and my kin I will make sure we are as well placed as possible to deal with what ever gets thrown at us  - and given some of them already survived Russian gulags in the second world war and potato famine in Ireland (amongst other disasters) we will back ourselves to survive the next one

Empathy always appreciated .....doomsday message not so much

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Excellent. So we should all put a box of face masks in the bottom draw. That will surely save us.

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PDK, surely you can see that any rhetoric you serve others is diluted by defending Grant Robertson, the guy is entropy personified.

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It would be useful to see his speech subsequently fact checked. I'm sure there are some 'embellishments' and clear errors.

My main recollection was an interview with Robertson and Orr that was quoted on Bernard Hickey's left leaning blog. When asked about NZ's rising house prices in response to the QE implemented, he quipped 'at least they have jobs.'

I rank him as a witty and smart communicator. Very poor Finance Minister. 

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That would be "smarta$$"

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Labour will be happy he is gone. The looming recession is already on them and the new group can at least say it wasn't us. 

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I’m struggling to swallow Grant Robertson’s PR speech. I am increasingly frustrated that people fail to see the direct link between NZ’s deteriorating economy and the Labour Party’s economic management over the last 6 years.

On a daily basis I am hearing people complain that times are tough but yet so few people seemed to care about the billions of dollars squandered and tens of billions of dollars borrowed. We are and will continue to pay for this recklessness for many years.

In my opinion Grant Robertson’s actions bordered on criminal. It angers me that he has the nerve to stand up in public and make out that none of this is his fault.

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The deterioration is First-World endemic. I see the small trolls are out in force, but that can't change the fact - we're up against the global Limits to Growth - as the current lowbrow rabble will find out (are finding out).

Criminal? I reckon the media as that, on a bad day. On a good day, I just wonder at their need to choose ignorance. Academia too - economics teachers are still peddling a flat earth, even as their galleons fall off the (funding shortfall, in their myopic view of the planet) edge. 

When is ignorance not just innocent, but chosen? And when is chosen ignorance, peddled, socially debilitating? And when does that amount to criminal, vis-a-vis future generations? We may be kept ignorant of the answer, of course....

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Robertson worked on the theory that, "BS baffles brains".

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..it's often what people don't say that's suggestive - any mention of the LSAP Programme??

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Zero mention. Even the mighty Jfoe suggested that Robbo's action cost the taxpayer nothing. 

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“When we entered government in 2017, government spending was 27% of GDP. That’s not enough,” he said.

“It’s the reason why we had sewage running down the walls of hospitals, it's why nurses and doctors were so underpaid, it's why we saw a growth in homelessness and more kids in poverty”. 

Is he under the impression that since 2017 any of these things have improved? That has been the worst thing about all this spending is that it has not seemed to make ANY difference... I would be happy to see the money spent if it did.

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While the $19 billion Covid wage subsidy may have been the correct response in theory, in practice it was an absolute shambles.

Far too much tax payers money ended up in the pockets of shareholders, business owners and crooks.

The Auditor Generals report was scathing, but quickly brushed over by a compliant MSM.

But the overwhelming legacy of Grant Robertson is that he oversaw the biggest spend up of any NZ government.  But we have ZILCH to show for it.

And now his Labour cronies have organised a cushy job as Vice Chancellor of Otago University despite the fact he is academically well under qualified for the job, which is ironic given he was academically unqualified to be Finance Minister. As is Willis.

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I don't buy the minister has to be academically qualified in the subject to be a good minister. A good minister listens to his advisors , and probably more importantly , is politcally savy enough to get what their ministry needs. 

Do you really think Robertson or Willis are writing budget documents etc?

Witness Brash , obviously a very competent ecconomist , but a terrible politican . 

I criticise Willis  but on the grounds she is arrogant , and just brushes off any advice / criticisim. 

Luxon will be a good indicator of wether Business world success carries over to politics. not so good so far. 

What worries me is ministers who seem to be actual idiots. Simeon Brown been the one that springs to mind. Probably Shane Jones another. Stuart Nash on the labour side. Turei in the Greens. multiple ACT MP's past and present.

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Yes there are some Ministerial Posts that may not need relevant qualifications. But the Minister of Finance role has huge responsibilty and huge ramifications if they get it wrong. A Finance or Economics qualification is essential IMO.

 

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