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In three years’ time, writes Chris Trotter, Chloe Swarbrick will either be a broken political doll – or New Zealand’s first Green prime minister

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In three years’ time, writes Chris Trotter, Chloe Swarbrick will either be a broken political doll – or New Zealand’s first Green prime minister
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Chloe Swarbrick.

By Chris Trotter*

Chloe Swarbrick wants a revolution. Her “announcement speech” has been hailed as a “once in a generation” oratorical triumph. I wouldn’t go that far, but there’s no disputing that Swarbrick took full advantage of the media’s interest in her candidacy for the Greens’ co-leadership to lay her programmatic cards on the table.

“Conventional, incremental politics has failed to rise to the challenges we face”, Swarbrick declared, “those intertwined climate, inequality, biodiversity and housing crises.”

So far, so good left-wing boilerplate. But, it was in the next few sentences that the young MP’s revolutionary intent was revealed:

“What is possible in politics is only ever defined by the willingness of those in power. As Co-leader, I want to show everyone in this country the power running through their veins to choose our future. We cannot leave politics to the politicians.”

Opined the Green politician.

And it is here that the problems confronted by all revolutionaries begin – with those beguilingly inclusive words: “everyone in this country”.

There was a time and place – late-eighteenth century France, to be precise – when appealing to “everyone in this country” made a certain kind of sense.

When the King, supported by an aristocracy encompassing approximately 1% of the population, ruled over everybody else, most notably a rightless and impoverished peasantry comprising 90%-plus of the population, “everyone in this country” (who wasn’t a king or an aristocrat) had a strong and direct interest in transforming their society.

But that was more than 200 years ago. The power that runs through the veins of New Zealanders, today, does not, alas, run uniformly. Some Kiwis are better equipped to choose their futures than others. Indeed, there are hundreds-of-thousands of New Zealand citizens so bereft of cultural, social and economic capital that speechifying to them about choosing their futures could be seen as grossly insensitive.

Swarbrick is a highly intelligent person, with an impressive and oft-demonstrated capacity to marshal facts and figures in support of her arguments. It is strange, then, that her announcement speech largely fails to address the manifest power differentials in the society she is proposing to transform. Especially when she goes out of her way to preface her call for a grass-roots uprising with the eminently sensible – and accurate – statement:

“What is possible in politics is only ever defined by the willingness of those in power.”

Like the willingness of farmers to shoulder the not inconsiderable cost of cleaning-up their rivers and streams and reducing their greenhouse emissions.

Like the willingness of small business owners to pay a capital gains tax.

Like the willingness of big businesses to redistribute the lion’s share of corporate surpluses from their shareholders to their employees.

Like the willingness of landlords to shoulder the costs of upgrading their properties, and empowering their tenants.

Like the willingness of those whose salaries place them in the top quartile of income-earners to pay higher taxes.

Except, of course, the willingness of all the above groups to redefine politics in ways that not only make them poorer, but also undermine their ability to set the boundaries of acceptable change, is nil.

These New Zealand socio-economic interests are no more willing to surrender their power and privilege than were their British counterparts when the Labour Party membership elected a leader determined to govern “for the many, not the few”.

That was a powerful rhetorical flourish – adapted from the final verse of Percy Bysshe Shelly’s incendiary poem “The Masque of Anarchy”.) Too powerful, as it turned out.

Jeremy Corbyn’s greatest mistake (apart from his failure to back Brexit) was to give the ruling elites and their enablers advance warning that he was coming for their power, their purses, and their privilege. Corbyn’s political destruction is thus attributable to his naïve assumption that those who owned the system would sit idly by while he organised a revolution at the ballot box to take it from them.

Clearly, Swarbrick has not learned the lessons embedded in the depressing saga of Corbyn’s rise and fall.

“I will grow the Green movement to achieve tangible, real-world, people-powered change - as I have since I first signed up - but now, at even greater scale.”

That’s telling ‘em, Chloe!

“I will challenge this Government’s cruel agenda and communicate the imagination, potential, and the necessary hope to mobilise for the sustainable, inspiring and inclusive Aotearoa that I see reflected every day in our communities”

And that’s telling them even more!

“They” will not move immediately to remove the potential threat that is Chloe Swarbrick. Like the British ruling-elites, New Zealand’s defenders of the neoliberal status-quo will wait to see if the putative Green co-leader’s revolution at the ballot-box amounts to anything more than yet another middle-class firebrand’s pipe-dream.

There’s no denying that “they” have every reason to be sceptical. After all, Jim Anderton’s Alliance had promised something very similar 30 years ago. It’s unashamedly socialist component, the New Labour Party, had also set out to make its followers “local body members, councillors and mayors” They, too, promised “more [Alliance] MPs in Parliament and ultimately, our nation’s first [Alliance-led] Government.”

Didn’t happen. With the notable exception of Anderton’s proletarian redoubt of Sydenham, the Alliance did well (even, like Swarbrick, capturing Auckland Central) where, 30 years later, the Greens still do best. Those central-city electorates composed of university students and young professionals. Where it mattered, however, in the electorates of the poor and marginalised, the Alliance failed miserably. Against their most formidable competitors, Labour voters, and those who didn’t vote at all, Alliance candidates struggled to reclaim their deposits.

Just how steep a mountain Swarbrick has set herself to climb is evident in the votes received by Labour and the Greens in the electorates where citizens’ life choices are most seriously constrained. Let’s look at Mangere: Labour, 61.40%. Greens, 7.85%. Or, Mana: Labour, 62%, Greens, 9.8%.

It is always possible, of course, that Swarbrick, unlike Anderton, will succeed in heating the blood of enough New Zealanders to turn those stats around. That in 2025 there will be a Green tsunami that lifts unashamed insurgents into council chambers and mayoral offices all across New Zealand. That the polls will register a massive shift from Labour to Green and, month after month, confirm Swarbrick’s preferred prime minister status. It is possible that, against all the odds, her revolution at the ballot-box progresses from pipe-dream to probability.

If that is the case, however, then Swarbrick’s troubles will only just be getting started. Every weapon the Establishment possesses will be pointed in her direction, and every right-wing journalistic scalp-hunter will be powering-up his keyboard.

By the time the Powers That Be were through with Corbyn, working-class Brits were cursing his name. By the time our own elites are through with Chole Swarbrick, she’ll either be a broken political doll – or New Zealand’s first Green prime minister.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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Ironically NZ’s Green Party’s presence in parliament largely comes down to just the name, the movement and  its profile internationally. Yet that feature hardly makes itself known with this lot here. They fly false colours, they are a red wolf in a green sheep’s clothing. Mr Trotter is correct the electorate is on to that and as well the recent ruptures, white cis outburst, cry baby reveal a seething internal culture that might well be a root cause of the thieving downfall. 

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Environmental policies unsurprisingly align with young voters who will have to live with the mess. And young voters are also the ones being screwed over by housing wealth. So it makes sense for the greens to also be lefties. 

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Most of whom are being fed disinformation on climate change - witness this year's determination to make everyone think that 27 degrees in summer is "extreme heat" and a sign of global warming.  They don't know any better, they havent lived long enough to know that summers were actually hotter 20-30 years ago.

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Yeah I don’t get that either. We either have heat warnings or an atmospheric river, and then it doesn’t rain, or extreme heat and it’s less than 30 degrees. I remember when it used to be like that for weeks,  not just a couple of days. But, the environment is cyclical so it’s to be expected. There must be very few worthwhile stories if an average summers day gets a warning in the news….

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OMG..do some reading lads ..basing your research on your memories is not very scientific.. Here are some facts for you both to ponder

New Zealand’s waters have been experiencing relentless marine heatwaves over recent years, causing cascading losses in mussel and kelp beds and driving tropical fish into normally colder climes.

Even through wintry lows and bracing south-westerly winds, surface temperatures around most of our coasts have been hovering well above average, keeping last month among our five warmest Julys on record.

And if our past proves a window to our future, the trend is one that’ll only worsen over coming decades and centuries.

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Yeah. I know. It’s been happening for centuries. Hotter, colder, hotter again. Some species die out, some adapt, new ones evolve. Sound familiar. Spoiler Alert: You won’t be here to see the full cycle, get used to it and stop complaining.

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I stand corrected - great response how could anyone argue against those facts.., do your kids agree with you (or have left the country hopefully).

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Baywatch is correct, I caught a Barramundi in Coro last week.

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Did Chloe give you one of her special cigarettes to smoke?  Barramundi is a fish born in salt water that lives in freshwater as an adult in estuaries. So whatever you caught in Coro was no barramundi.

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Jeremys was catching them when he was five in the local estuary..and its was 35 degrees every day in summer ......

 

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No mate. I had my butterfly net out the window catching flying pigs when I was a kid.

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Keep drinking your coolaid buddy...

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I think this is a mistake young people make - sure lots of mess has been created but the assumption that its only the young who want to fix problems is incorrect

and this is an historical mistake  - those seeking to protect the environment (think National parks or even marine reserves) are not only the young. Those planting trees here and protecting rivers have lots of grey hair. - and often lots of money

If you denigrate these people you do so at your peril and disadvantage

and CT also did precisely that in this article by naming a number of groups and saying that they have NIL interest in amending the status quo - its not a great way to influence people and especially those who have the resources to help

 

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Please don't conflate genuine environmental endeavours (marine reserves, predator erradication, restrictions on commercial inshore fishing) with climate change.

There is a reason marine reserves aren't discussed at Davos and climate change is. 

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Because there is no money in making things up about marine reserves?

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Biodiversity and climate change often work against each other. eg pines vs natives.

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The Greens can't be a one policy party, people don't want to waste their only party vote on those. Almost 50% of NZ think cannabis should be legal yet the Legalise Cannabis party only got something like 0.5%. If we got 2 votes I would have voted for them, but I am not going to throw away my only vote on them. So if the Greens have to choose between left and right, the left is probably the best option. 

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Environmental protection is a left wing idea. The right wants less government intervention, less red tape and let the market take care of everything so people can make more money. See the current coalition agreement for proof. Their environmental policy is all about unwinding environmental protection.

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That's just not the case.  There are many many blue-green people.  The fact is though, there's no party for them to vote for.

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It is a good analysis and Chloe is impressive. But I also think she is blind to her own failings and the gaps in her presentations. But then do not sell them short, extremist politicians have made big grounds against incumbent parties due to voter disenchantment.

the problem I have with Chloe, and other Green politicians is that their policies just won't work. they're too extreme and will destroy the country and the people who will bear that burden the most will be the ones she supposedly represents. Chloe could make this country a shining light in environmental sustainability, but to do that she will destroy the economy and have to make some very hard, distasteful decisions (population reduction) that will float like a lead balloon. But in the end what she and no one else is saying, even if that happens if the rest of the world doesn't change we are still screwed. Virtue signaling is pointless if we still die. For Chloe to succeed she will have to find a middle ground, and that may well lose her voters.

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Agreed. Just two examples. The wilful abetting of the attempted entrenchment of three waters was a middle finger to accepted parliamentary procedure and democracy itself. Regardless of either the purpose or merit of a wealth tax if you read the Green’s’ proposal justifying the invasion of lawful citizens property on the grounds that the government is authorised to investigate benefit fraud. In so doing technically they categorise all New Zealanders as potential fraudsters. Really they are rather Orwellian at the base of everything aren’t they.

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The mistake you make is in assuming that the Left want things to be better for their constituency.  They don't.  The poorer and worse off their voters are, the more they will vote for parties promising to give them free stuff.  This is part of the plan, not an unintended consequence.  Their only intention is to remain in power, not deliver change.  Just look at the Ardern Govt - every opportunity in the world to make people better off and she left the country far worse off than before.  Swarbrick will be exactly the same, using her position to make a name for herself before leaving to pursue million dollar opportunities in the private sector as a speaker/consultant and the people she leaves behind in her wake be damned.

 After all, if everyone was feeling affluent and wealthy, they would start voting National in order to remain so. Cant have that.

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Let’s go to Orwell again then. Something like - it’s not so much that socialists love the poor, it’s their hatred of the rich that drives them.

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'The Master said, “If your conduct is determined solely by considerations of profit, you will arouse great resentment.”' - Confucius

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Sorry, which major international green party runs on a platform on environmental policies only? Not the major German or Austrian parties which have some of the longest histories.

In NZ the Green Party (formerly Values Party) has always run on a platform that has included more than environmental issues. Likewise with some of their most prominent bills such as the "anti smacking" bill.

 

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Going more extreme might work for the Greens but it won’t work for the left. Labour will be the loser, they will become unelectable if they must partner with an extreme left party. 

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Seems like the most likely scenario to me.

Greens will pick up voters from Labour who want a more extreme left wing party, but the overall left bloc is unlikely to grow with Swarbrick at the helm. Shaw at least gave the veneer of centre-friendly respectability.

 

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Greens will pick up young votes, probably those that didn’t bother voting last election. Some current green votes may go Labour. But a lot of the centre Labour votes will go National. Most of the voting public own something and don’t want it taxed. 

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She may be a broken political doll before three years is up. I see a crashing green vote over the next few years. She is looking to take charge at a false high water mark (after a significant protest vote against Labour). A protest vote is no revolution. Their real support lies between 5-7% and with James Shaw now gone, it’s likely less. She has set herself up for a massive failure here with her talk of revolution. 

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Yes, how much support was "James Shaw". Or, in other words how many existing Green voters are more pragmatic/centre based in their preferences.

I suspect the revolution could work both ways. Many may be convinced to move towards Labour or even Nats to get away from the extreme (and not environmentally focused) policies.

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Blah, blah, blah. They are all talk.

Membership won't let them work with anyone but Labour, and even then they tend not to go into formal coalition.

Quite simple, Not in government = No Power = No changes.

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Spot on post Noncents 

Greens are completely bereft of any fiscal responsibility and Chloe is no better.  

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You could have said the same thing about ACT 6 months ago!

One thing Chloe could achieve is more bargaining power with Labour. The more different they are to Labour, the more Labour would need to give up to form coalition. But that requires the left wing to get 50% of the vote to matter. 

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Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

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Sorry CT but I think the most interesting thing on the Left will be a split in labour, they are unelectable right now, They will split to a Maori vote and the Centre left party, together they cannot be trusted.

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Less than a year ago labour were polling about the same as National. While there are many reasons Labour lost, it’s hard to discount the state of the economy. National may well be in a worse position next election. 

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The skeletons in the closet that will invariably come out over the next 3-6 years that will sheet all of the blame for the poor economy (I agree with you that this will occur) back to the previous Labour govt. News today says that there is a 60,000 person waiting list to see a specialist? How could this happen ? Up 67% in a year, that’s a total disaster, will take a long time to unwind, and is completely Labours fault. More than likely directly related to the appalling management of the creation of Health NZ and the soon to be defunct Māori Health Authority. I do remember many people predicted exactly this.

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Not quite.  There are 60,000 people who have waited more than 4 months to see a specialist.  This number doesnt include those who have been added to the waitlist in the last 4 months. 

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Do you know if this is Public or does it include Private as well?

Just wondering as everyone goes on about the burden of Boomers on the health system. Most Boomers I know have Private Health Insurance. Yes, there still be some using Public as well but the numbers of people on Private now you would think that Public waiting lists would be coming down. 

Must be due to staff/specialist shortages as well I would have thought???

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I have private health insurance however spent a few days last week in the public hospital after being sent there by the after hours GP for an urgent unforeseen minor  surgery.

It took a couple  of days to be operated on & I have no complaints, there were a lot of people worse off than I (car accidents, gall bladder etc). I heard a few stories from the staff about people who treated ED as their GP though.

80% of staff appeared to be recent imports, the hospital specialists (eg surgeon,  anesthetist, theatre) were flat out, working long 12hr shifts. It appeared that no non emergency ops were scheduled overnight in the weekend, not sure if this was due to lack / reluctance of specialists.

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Are your pronouns they/them now?

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ia/ ia, actually :)

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Wonder if the "Safe and effective" has something to do with this?

 

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I think you'll find it's more likely due to an aging population, comparatively poor wages compared to overseas countries for specialists, and population growth without adequate corresponding investment. 

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Aging population does not happen overnight. Terrible management of unnecessary mergers, removal of performance targets, introduction of racist selection processes and generally low motivation of staff as a result actually gets us to where we are now. That’s on Labour. 

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I think this is a pretty simplistic take on a complex topic to try and make to fit your political view. 

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Not really. We have the same disaster in education, ironically foisted on us by the same minister, that being Hipkins. Different ministry, same numpty, same result. Nothing to do with population aging there, just incompetence. The disaster in education is going to be with us for decades as the current lot of illiterate kids enter working age. Education and Health are just obvious examples of the same problem. The statistics showing our education performance against our peers being the worst ever are not made up. I don’t think there is any dispute about that Labour made reality.

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...its not like we have had half a century's notice of the aging population to plan for...

Is it

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"Up 67% in a year, that’s a total disaster, will take a long time to unwind, and is completely Labours fault" - why would that take a long time to unwind? Sounds like a convenient excuse for failure to unwind it...

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60,000 seems an awful lot to me, and as KH has let us know that’s just the number that have been waiting more than four months. So the 60,000 is not even that bad when the overall total is considered. What a screw up. That figure has to be managed be spare capacity too, it’s not as thought you can just focus on the 60k. There will be more being added to that list all the time.

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The "nine years of neglect" mantra appears to have been superseded by "six years of subversion"...  I'd rather have the benign neglect instead of active damage myself.

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They spent most of the money, a hardly inconsiderate amount, on a rearrangement of MoH headquarters while at the same time a pandemic was raging, and ill equipped and under resourced health workers suffered at the front line. And as Dr Shane Reti accurately described, all that was achieved was, same team different jerseys. At some point, given the black eyes that the MoH inflicted continually on the previous government, did they not realise that a great many of the problems being experienced at the coal face actually emanated from MoH Wellington.

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And 3 years before that, national was polling like Labour's is now.

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Yep. The more that idiot Hipkins keeps referring to people as ‘non-Māori’ the more unelectable he and his crew will become. It’s becoming very evident that people simply don’t like being split into groups. He doesn’t seem to get it. The only thing he seems to have in common with the average Kiwi right now is that he likes sausage rolls, and most of his supporters (or former supporters as they case may be( can’t even afford them…thanks to the previous admintration.

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Try telling that to a Croat living in Serbia.

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Rumours of a permanent demise for Labour were rife when Helen Clarke lost. They recovered, and the Nats fell apart.

The same thing will happen again, you can bank on it.

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Yep. Of course they will. The current crop have decided that pandering to Māori and other special interests is a way to success. That’s no longer true. Many of this support base have moved away and now support the likes of ACT and NZ first (the so called enemy). They need to dump their racist and divisive policies and move back to their base. The longer they insist on pandering to minorities the longer they will be in the wilderness. The public have had enough of those games as we saw at the last election.

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If she succeeds then Labour has an existential problem. Therefore, if she shows signs of becoming popular, the real attacks will come from Labour. And it will be nasty. Don’t need to worry about any right-wing keyboard warriors. 

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Shaw, Palestinian pantomine and Waitangi will all cost the Greens. 

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She will get her wealth tax, and those who pay most of our income tax will flee to Oz. 

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How? We have a new government. In NZ we have governments that run typically for 6-9 years. 6 if they aren’t any good (like the last one, which should only have lasted for 3). This one will be 9 or possibly 12 years if they keep doing what people actually want. Chloe will be long gone before they get anywhere near the levers of power again. So she won’t be getting any wealth tax over the line. She can talk about it sure, that’s what greens do. All talk. Loud talk, it is the doing but they never do.

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 This one will be 9 or possibly 12 years if they keep doing what people actually want.

Great start so far? 

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Lots of protest about the government intentions.  But the protestors have not worked out that the people voted them out.

Currently it's noisy protest, but quiet approval of this government.

 

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Yes. Exactly. All we see on the TV is noisy nobodies protesting. Meanwhile in the polls the government goes up in popularity. They are doing exactly what people want (well, their voters anyway).

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It's just Rent-A-Mob noise.    The financial vandalism is about to come home to roost,   Kiwis will not let Labour need the controls of power for a very very very long time.

We need to spend more on so much, but cannot even live currently within budget...    Almost every portfolio needs massive spend 

Thinking

Health (60k not even seen)

Police (leavinbg for aussie no way will they stop this)

Defense (cannot retain or recruit)

Waka Whateva (news story today needing billions)

KO (lets not even go there BILLIONS enquiry on now)

Ferries ( billions needed)

Rail (billions in WGTN alone)

5 Waters ( BILLIONS needed in WGTN ALONE)

Education ( maybe cheaper if kids do not turn up) 

Justice ( we will need more prisons soon)

 

GOD ITS A MESS

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They don't need more money.  NZ already collects far more taxes than they did in 2018 when everything ran properly.  They just need to reallocate it.  For example, NZTA has been spending hundreds of millions of dollars in Christchurch digging up the roads to install speed humps in suburban areas to enforce the new 30 kmph speed limits.  Meanwhile the potholes on main roads go unfixed.  Replicate this misdirected spending in every Govt department, clean out the unproductive spending and get rid of the bureaucrats responsible for it, and you will end up with an efficient and functioning public service.  The only problem is that it wont be that easy to get rid of it. 

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If you so so? Coffee could be banned under this government as detrimental as smoking apparently...

 

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Instant coffee. 

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Agreed something no right with that stuff. Changed to plunger a couple of years ago now, no comparison.

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I had this conversation with a colleague yesterday.  Instant coffee almost has this sort of chemical bitterness to it, like it's been disinfected with something.  

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It's because most people burn coffee. Try putting the milk in first or not using boiling water.

Another solution is a pinch of salt, surprisingly it makes it sweeter.

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That is precisely how I make my coffee.  A small bit of cold water at the bottom, add coffee, stir, add boiling water.  

But I only drink Nescafe Cappucino Strongs in the miniature sachets.  

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Ardern didn’t start well and was looking like a one-term government that would lose to Simon Bridges of all people. Politics is, unfortunately, all about momentum leading into an election.

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Just like the 1980's when Corporal Muldoon decided to tax the 'rich' 66c in the dollar, and there were death taxes. There was a huge exodus to QLD.

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You might want to check the tax rates in Australia first:

$120,000 to $180,000 is at 37%

$180,001+ is 45%

 

Maybe look into non-taxable trusts or similar before booking your seat.

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Maybe look to the imminent income tax changes in Australia 

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/tax-cuts-help-australians-cost-living#:~:te…).

What non-taxable trusts ?

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When one looks at the NZ vs AU tax rates (well, comparing to the imminent changes in the tax rates in AU), the break-even is a bit over $260k NZD.  That is, with an income of less than $260k NZD, you will pay less tax in AU than NZ.  As an example, if you earned $200k in NZ, your tax bill would be 29.1% of your income, whereas the same income in AU would result in 27.0% of your income.  If you earn more than $260k, then NZ may result in a lower income tax.

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Though negative gearing + higher nominal wages more than accounts for that. 

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Ok, but how about higher salaries, greater super contribution, and lower cost of living?

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So let's take another 30 or 40 years of neolib Nat or Lab main parties.  Does anyone think that image is good?  Add the identity politics we are determined to import, definitely not looking good.

Of course, while we talk about the significance of one leader, Helen, John, Jacinda, Chloe, we are missing the larger point.  My view, perhaps also Chris's view, the current system is not working for those Mana voters, even though they are presently Labour loyal.  That apparently incomprehensible voting is a feature of the USA and UK.   Why do voters elect the poisonous?  It is more than spin.  My view, the polical class have abandoned their voters.  Example, Jacinda and CGT.

Perhaps a leader such as Chloe can unite us to choose a better future than more of the same failed policies of this century?

And that must start local.

Cometh the hour?  Wellington water, 25% rates rises in the Tron, any of the Auckland problems.  Less hui, more doi?

My best wishes to Chloe, I hope she can make changes.  We need something new.

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Russell Brand and Tucker Carlson covered this topic recently in a UK context. I don’t agree with Swarbrick’s politics, but I think you’re right we would be better off if we were to pick between the Greens and Act as opposed to Labour and National.

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The public won’t fall for the Jacinda Factor again.

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It depends on if we have another crisis where we all have to pull together and overcome great odds as a nation.  The incumbent wins every time and then typically lose after it is over.  

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The National Act NZF Coalition has made a massive political overplaying of their hand! They're too beholding to get on with the agenda of their donors. They should have let this first Waitangi Day slide before attacking the Treaty. Wow what a miscalculation.... 

Long three years boys.

They're donors will get shi*ty and the cracks will widen in the "cabinet" room. Luxon doesn't know how New Zealand ticks. He'll fall.

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Ah No - be up front - and get on with it. Its called electoral honesty

You only have a limited time for change before some will get cold feet and stop for a cup of tea

and being sneaky and doing things mid term that you had no mandate for was  Labour's tactic and that ended badly

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They have scope to push harder too. I have heard a few people in the media mention that Iwi organisations don’t pay tax either. This should be on the list to be reversed…..and certainly before any future capital gain tax or wealth tax or whatever is even contemplated. We have two huge sources of taxation that are currently untapped, and those are criminal organisations and Iwi organisations. Iwi complain that the rest of the country doesn’t do enough for them. All boo hoo, start paying taxes like everyone else. At least the crims don’t complain….

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"few people in the media mention that Iwi organisations don’t pay tax either."

I think this is because they register as a charitable trust so legitimately don't pay tax if they fulfill the requirements of the charitable trust Act.

The Charitable Trust act probably needs fixing.

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Nor do they pay rates on Maori land…

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Incorrect.

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Tell that to the Waimakariri ratepayers who were told of the $10M rates wiped from maori land holdings because it was too difficult to collect! 

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Yup, deal with it now, get it out of the way, appease ACT, and by the time of the next election we'll all have forgotten about it.

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Bit of wishful thinking there I think. They are doing what they promised to do.

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Talking tough and carrying a small stick won't help anybody.  Especially the downtrodden New Zealanders.

Ms Swarbrick scraps over the remnants in the pot.  But is clueless when it come to creating a fine nation for all of us.  Rhetoric doesn't cut it.

Not a builder.

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I wonder why commentators assume Shaw leans to the right?.just because he has always sought bipartisan support for his bills, because he knows they have to survive more than one government. 

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Swarbrick has plenty of guts, you have to give that. And she'd be one of the most intelligent MPs.

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Articulate, yes. Intelligent? Not necessarily.

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Definitely the most arrogant, for sure.

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Nah Winnie wins the contest by a country mile

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"Okay, boomer"...  :)

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Greenies like Swarbrick are basically saying from what I can hear - it's a poor society which makes wealth it's primary virtue. Look at the problems we have due to inequality. Have we changed as Kiwis that much not to see this. We don't have to be Aussies or Yanks.

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I don’t think that there is more inequality. That is merely a catch cry. In the past people had more self respect, lived within their means and if they stuffed up, they accepted it and got on with it. Now we have a whole generation of people who have the internet and complain loudly about how the world is against them and they need everything now (and don’t want to pay of course - or work). You then have places like instagram that show the lavish lives of people that post on there, much of which is not true with photos doctored and the real life situation of those people posting is miles different from what is displayed. This creates jealously where it is not warranted and then this illusion of inequality. So, I would say that the environment is much the same as it used to be, except we have more technology, mores lies and more complaining. May advice would be to stop watching losers on social media. It’s bad for your health and well being.

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Archives NZ: "the way we were" in 1959 (note ~40 minutes), rang a few bells

https://youtu.be/_BRnoIFC5I8?si=aEep9PTLQehTFVQA

 

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You left out the word "woke" in your rant Jeremy...

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Social media sure has created a lot of jealousy and envy not to mention massive problems like migration with people that think the USA will be a better life for them. Sure half of it is fake but its still fuelling massive social problems. People trying to make a living off social media has turned it into a nightmare.

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Also, less people can afford to buy a house now.

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Labour had 6 years to change things, and all they did was increase the number of people on benefits and needing public housing.  If you are going to implement policies that result in more unemployed, more single parents, more homeless then don't be surprised that inequality increases.  But again, back to my earlier point above, this is not an unintended consequence from a well meaning Govt, it is an intentional design to keep Left voters poor so they continue voting Left.  The Ardern "Be Kind" refrain was not for us to be kind to each other but for us to be kind to Ardern while our standard of living is deliberately degraded.

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If they didn't change much, then why is the 100 day plan mostly about reversing policy?

I cant wait for the landlords to drop the rent when they get their dignity money back!

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What problems do we have due to inequality? All I see is a bunch of statistics that a race, or a gender is worse and that must be bad.

I for one want a certain level of inequality, I want to provide an advantage to my children. I want people who work hard to have an advantage, otherwise why work hard.

It is about a balance with allowing people to not be so disadvantaged that they cannot ever succeed while rewarding people for succeeding. Otherwise you end up with communism. All I hear from the left is inequality is bad.

For every politician that says they want equality I say: You first give up your salary to poor people so you are on the average wage.

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That’s exactly right. To the left, words like inequality and racism are cheap words they use to con people into voting for them. The reality is people need to get educated and work hard to get ahead, not use excuses to blame other people. We have equal opportunities here. I say either use them or not. It’s a choice.

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Agree as well.

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We had a revolution at the last election. Removing them from government. They should give up up the Green title and stop masquerading as an ecology based party.

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"Clearly, Swarbrick has not learned the lessons embedded in the depressing saga of Corbyn’s rise and fall".

Really!!

I wouldnt call Corbyn's fall a depressing saga - he wanted to turn the UK into a communist state (run by him of course) and everyone is better off without him in charge

and he got rolled by his socialist mates not those on the right

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Fortunately if we end up in a situation where the Greens are able to strip productive people of their income and assets to give it to people who can't be bothered working or who see producing children as an income stream, then there is always Australia prepared to welcome us.  What will NZ look like when the best and brightest have left the socialist shores of Aotearoa to pursue careers and businesses elsewhere? 

 

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They will come home at Xmas time to their Waiheke Bachs....    Waiheke is like a gated community now, gated by the cost of access.....

 

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Good analysis, Chloe does have the political X factor.   By quiz, I am a 'Green' voter, however I have never voted them as in then end I feel the ideology doesn't fit the reality.

Like the article points out, who is willing to pay?    Who wants to be the loser in the game of tax.   Nobody!

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Listen to yourselves. Right vs Left, he said she said. It’s not working. It never has. You all get yourselves into a lather at election time (I know, cheap entertainment), someone “wins” and we wait 3 or 6 years before they get chucked out and the other team gets another go. And on and on it has gone. It’s actually embarrassing that we put up with it. Very little is achieved, and what does get done, is never done properly.
 

Time to wipe the slate clean and begin a new system, and I have the answer. Abolish central government. Create 4 states for NZ and each state take care of itself. I know there’ll be details to sort out (foreign affairs, international trade, etc, etc) and I do have answers for some of that. 

It’s time. 

 

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That has always been the pipe dream of those of us who live in the South Island.  We'd be quite happy to cut the cable and let the North fend for itself.  The only problem is that we'd have to build a bl***dy big wall to keep the rest of NZ out (except for those on tourist visas to Queenstown of course).

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Yes walls could be part of it, if need be.

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"...and I have the answer. Abolish central government."

Because NZ Local Govt works so well...?

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KKNZ, this is not an off the cuff comment/proposal. I have already discussed, with those involved, your concern and obviously there would be significant changes to how the states are operated and who would be operating them. 

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The Swiss system should be used. The technology is there to allow it to happen. Works well.

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The Swiss use public referendums to decide contentious issues.

Here the whole idea of letting the people decide horrifies the "we know what's best" elites in the media, academia and public service - and the Greens it appears. 

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It falls on both sides, look at the asset sales referendum with 60+% saying no but Key went ahead with it anyway

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And the 1999 Justice referendum had over 90% support which Labour, academics, psychbabble 101 & the activist judiciary have wilfully spent the last 6 years massively reneging on 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_New_Zealand_justice_referendum#:~:….

 

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Revolution! LMAO

Half her followers don't know whether they are a boy or girl.

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Swarbrick is a highly intelligent person, with an impressive and oft-demonstrated capacity to marshal facts and figures in support of her arguments.

Rattling off numbers that nobody has access to does not make one intelligent (thinking fast, slow).

She talks very fast. It impresses some. Not all. 

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Rattling off numbers that nobody has access to.? Maybe she has done some research on the topic at hand, odd thing to say?

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Look! He etc... doesn't know what she etc... is talking about. No one cares about them because they're just a bunch of Green Washes. All noise but no substance.

No need to worry about them.

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Nice work CT. I'm not a leftie luvvie by any means but you are getting better with age. Like a good red wine. Male & pale, but definitely not stale.

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Isn't that what commentators said about a young female up an coming mp called Adern. How did the be kind philosophy work out. What did she accomplish sweet FA and even her own party turned on her oh that's right not enough in the tank yeah right

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Lower house prices!

Free trade deal with the UK & EU, backing Kiwi exporters.

New Public Holiday (Matariki)

Record low 3.2% unemployment (lowest Māori unemployment rate on record.)

Smokefree New Zealand, introducing legislation to limit the sale of tobacco and nicotine products.

Winter Energy Payment.

 

might stop there for now as National probably will reverse the whole list

 

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I used to vote green, but their policy now feels like an exercise in magical thinking: doctrine without any kind of execution plan and the potential for so many unintended consequences.

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She will never be the PM. The majority of NZ voters are centrist and the Greens in their current format do not appeal to them generally.  
Chloe herself needs to tone down her persona when being interviewed as a lot of us do not like being told what to do. Jacinda found that out during our lockdowns. For the record I was jabbed and boosted.

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With respect to Chloe's Central Auckland voters I think it was Churchill who said "there's something wrong with the young if they're not liberal utopians when they're under thirty, and there's something wrong with them if they're not more pragmatic conservatives when they're over thirty.

What happens between is real life, work and responsibilities.

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She doesn't want a revolution, she wants to stay relevant while in the opposition. There's a useful way to do that, collaborate with the government and structure reform so that their laws don't get turfed out when they lose in 6-9 years. Far easier to jump up and down and speak in slogans. 

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