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Nouriel Roubini explains why the Sino-American rivalry is set to intensify and result in a new cold war

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Nouriel Roubini explains why the Sino-American rivalry is set to intensify and result in a new cold war
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I recently attended the China Development Forum (CDF) in Beijing, an annual gathering of senior foreign business leaders, academics, former policymakers, and top Chinese officials. This year’s conference was the first to be held in person since 2019, and it offered Western observers the opportunity to meet China’s new senior leadership, including new Premier Li Qiang.

The event also offered Li his first opportunity to engage with foreign representatives since taking office. While much has been said about Chinese President Xi Jinping appointing close loyalists to crucial positions within the Communist Party of China and the government, our discussions with Li and other high-ranking Chinese officials offered a more nuanced view of their policies and leadership style.

Prior to becoming premier in March, Li served as the CPC secretary in Shanghai. As an economic reformer and proponent of private entrepreneurship, he played a crucial role in convincing Tesla to build a mega-factory in the city. During the COVID-19 pandemic, he enforced Xi’s strict zero-COVID policy and oversaw a two-month lockdown of Shanghai.

Fortunately for Li, he was rewarded for his loyalty and not made into a scapegoat for the policy’s failure. His close relationship with Xi also enabled him to convince the Chinese president to reverse the zero-COVID restrictions overnight when the policy proved to be unsustainable. During our meeting, Li reiterated China’s commitment to “reform and opening up,” a message that other Chinese leaders also conveyed.

Li’s remarkable wit contrasted sharply with the more reserved demeanor of former Premier Li Keqiang, whom we met in earlier years when he was premier. During our meeting, he made Apple CEO Tim Cook laugh out loud by attributing his joyful mood to the viral video of Cook being applauded by crowds during his visit to an Apple store in Beijing. He even joked about a video of US lawmakers grilling TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew, which had also gone viral that week. Unlike Cook, he noted, the beleaguered TikTok boss was not smiling during his congressional hearing. Li’s joke included an implicit warning that although US firms are still welcome in China, the Chinese government can play hardball if its firms and interests are treated harshly in the United States.

Li’s veiled threat captures the current Chinese attitude toward the US. Although senior economic policymakers in China often talk about opening up, China’s policies still prioritise security and control over reform. Qin Gang, China’s new foreign minister, adopted a hawkish stance during his CDF addres. Taking an implicit swipe at the US, Qin warned Western attendees that while China aims to maintain an open global trading regime, the country would respond forcefully to any attempt to drag it into a new cold war.

In a recent speech, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sought to alleviate China’s concerns that the US is trying to “contain” its rise and decouple from its economy. Recent American actions limiting trade with China, she clarified, were based on national-security concerns rather than an effort to hinder the country’s economic growth.

But assuaging China will be difficult when the US is reportedly planning to introduce far-reaching restrictions on Chinese investments in the US and on US investments in China. To date, Chinese officials have not been receptive to Yellen and Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s efforts to establish a dialogue on how to maximise cooperation, minimise areas of confrontation, and manage the two powers’ escalating strategic competition and rivalry.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen recently gave a similarly pragmatic speech in which she argued that Europe should “focus on de-risking rather than decoupling” from China but also emphasised the many ways in which Chinese policies pose a threat to Europe and the West. Her speech was not well-received in Beijing, and she was effectively snubbed when she visited China with French President Emmanuel Macron in April, while the more accommodating Macron received a red-carpet welcome.

China is currently trying to drive a wedge between the European Union and the US. Given that EU-based companies have significant interests in China, many European CEOs attended the CDF, in contrast to the limited presence of American business leaders. And Macron’s controversial comments during his visit in April, particularly his statement that Europe must not become a “vassal” of the US, suggested that the effort may have succeeded. But a subsequent G7 communiqué reaffirmed the West’s stance on Taiwan and condemned China’s aggressive policies toward the island, and China’s tacit support of Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine will likely deter Europe from succumbing to a charm offensive.

The run-up to the US presidential election, together with China’s suspicion that the US is trying to contain its economic growth, will impede efforts to build trust and de-escalate tensions between the two countries. With both Democrats and Republicans competing to be seen as tough on China, the Sino-American cold war is likely to intensify, raising the risk of an eventual hot war over Taiwan.

Despite US officials’ efforts to establish guardrails for strategic competition with China, and Chinese officials’ insistence that they have no interest in economic decoupling, prospects for cooperation look increasingly remote. Fragmentation and decoupling are becoming the new normal, the two countries remain on a collision course, and a dangerous deepening of the ongoing “geopolitical depression” is all but inevitable.


Nouriel Roubini, Professor Emeritus of Economics at New York University’s Stern School of Business, is Chief Economist at Atlas Capital Team and the author of Megathreats: Ten Dangerous Trends That Imperil Our Future, and How to Survive Them (Little, Brown and Company, 2022). Copyright: Project Syndicate, 2023, published here with permission.

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I would have suggested the US was already in a cold war the US. while i don't believe the US is total without blame, I do believe the prime driver is China's clear expansionist aspirations. Nothing good will come for either party or anyone else from a hot war. 

A big question is would China's stance be any different if it was a functional democracy?

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A pity he doesn't traverse the physical limits we are coming up against. Yet again, a perfectly adequate brain produces less than optimal output, due to silo-limited education.

There isn't enough planet left, for two hegemonic Empires. Nor is there enough for the US to keep all it's balls in the air (bridges decaying, military infrastructure ditto, heck, there are still wooden pipes under at least one US city centre). China may take over in relative terms, but not in absolute; and its tenure will be temporary. 

The civic angst - everywhere - resulting from frustrated dreams/ambitions/goals, will drive leadership(s) to war(s). It's the only way to stay popular in a permanent downshift; otherise, blame those others, demonise them, then go to war with them.

We should be very worried. We should think about the implications for NZ.

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The US and reserve currency is slowly on it's way out at present, the big question is would the world help them fund another war should it come to be, as we all know the already raised debt ceiling is a clear indicator that the US will struggle to continue to patrol and maintain all of their foreign outposts. As China etches forwards in the south China sea and pacific with military outposts and influence, and the US has to focus more resources there, Russia are slowly biding their time and forming new alliances elsewhere until they have an opportunity.

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China will soon have 8 aircraft carriers, a superior air boomer, over 1000 N and H bombs, a manned research base on the Moon and much much more for the peace and prosperous of mankind.

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I love the way you automatically equated all that Chinese military palava with peace & prosperity for mankind - a very telling Freudian slip I would say. Does the military stuff enforce the peace? Which part of mankind gets the prosperity and which part is forced into a peace? 
 

It is fascinating that the country that benefited most from the American peace - China, who spent decades stealing everyone else’s IP due to a lack of local nous - is now feeling threatened and chucking its weight around, pissing off its neighbours and creating a neo-colonial debt empire, and all in much less time than it took for the world to tire of US hegemony.

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you see the ONLY difference between China and the USA is that China is run by Chinese and the US is run by Jews and Anglo-Salon.

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The US is run by Jews and English hairdressers.  Spot on.

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Bingo. Cheers.

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You are joking mate, China is way ahead of everyone. Watch them put a man on the moon first. On TV they built a huge new city and it has unmanned electric busses on the road, who else is doing that ? if blew my mind.

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Well they are already up and running in China so who is leading who ?

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I don't think it is particularly widespread in China. I would be a bit cautious about  what you see on TV when it comes to China.

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LOL

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China can dream to become super power but its Military is not good enough or never been tested in real war. China is just paper tiger. Western countries should break its Economy rather than fighting with this untested military. Break  Chinese  Export and economy,  China is sorted.

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I certainly get the feeling we are all on a gradual wind down both internationally and in NZ. Infrastructure upgrades globally all seem to be mostly in overrun mode. With costs blowing out everywhere and time delays common. The CCP must be feeling all sorts of domestic pressures from their lack of growth with so much work still left to do to bring their rural poor out of poverty. They seem to have come up against the constraints we all see. Looking for new sources of raw materials to exploit. Looking globally and competing with both Europe and the US for access. As long as we can still access the raw materials to maintain our own infrastructure maintenance and development needs we should be able to limp along for a bit longer yet.

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I visited China recently.  After 3 years of Covid isolation I was surprised at how good most younger persons English was.  A lot of them had never even travelled overseas.  So they had learnt all their English in China.  What surprised me most was that they now teach English to pre-schoolers.  A mother told me.   It reminded me of Sweden when I travelled their 20 years ago.  Where all the young people spoke English.

I've told my children in New Zealand you don't need to learn to speak Chinese.  China might take over the world but they will be speaking English.

In New Zealand all our young people will be able to speak Maori.

The lack of American bussinessmen was very apparent.  I can't see how China can be the worlds manufacturing hub without having America as their customer.

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I think that China can bypass America, its a small population in relation to the global total. On TV the Chinese just built a huge city of 2000 square km in just 6 years it has unmanned electric busses, it makes New Zealand look 50 year behind, it was almost like watching a science fiction movie.

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Having a single leader/party with a remit to lead forever is a massive advantage. They can have a serious long term strategy to achieve their vision.

In the west every 4 years (or less) we replace everyone in power based on our immeidate needs and goals . so we have a 4 year strategy which is normally rubbish and ZERO long term vision for anything (infrastructure, economy, social housing, immigration ...)

Obviously our freedom is important.. but without amending the way we are governing ourselves we will definitely end up losers vs china.. which tbh is bad for individual freedoms but seen in perspective is good for humanity and the planet (which will survive longer).

I suspect china has a long term strategy to beat the west possibly without even firing a gun..  just sit tight manage their affairs, grow the economy and influence and ensure gradual degradation of the western economy... things like ukraine and the pandemic helped accelerate our decline (if one was a little sceptical one might think both event would be smart to have started ... strategically by china)

 

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It's worse in NZ, it's 3 years here, not 4 unless you missed something?

China doesn't really have a long term plan to "beat the West".  It has long term plans to keep growing economically. This just rubs up against Western interests who positioning themselves in a way to refuse to allow China to grow economically, or to try and "contain" them, whatever that means. 

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Does anybody live there?

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Anybody know how the vote on breaking up HSBC went today in England?

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