By Chris Trotter*
That Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng were surprised at the dramatic reaction to their “mini-budget” is, in itself, surprising.
After all, the contents of Kwarteng’s package had been “trailed” through the news media for weeks. The financial markets, it was fondly assumed by the British Prime Minister’s advisers, had already “built-in” her government’s policies. Their shocked reaction to the markets’ shocked reaction is readily imagined.
In many respects, what has been on display in the United Kingdom over the past few weeks is a disturbing contest of cynicisms.
Truss and her team were operating on the cynical assumption that there is insufficient historical memory available to the British political class for anyone to recall that her “supply-side economics” remedy has been applied, off-and-on, and always catastrophically, for more than 40 years.
Meanwhile, the financial markets were operating on the equally cynical assumption that Truss could not possibly be serious, and that her commitment to tax-cuts in the midst of double-digit inflation and a cost-of-living crisis was just one of those things you say on the campaign trail, and then immediately jettison once in power. That the Prime Minister and her Chancellor of the Exchequer would actually go ahead and blow-up the UK economy was totally unexpected – and the pound paid the price.
Viewed dispassionately, what is most shocking about this contest of cynicisms is how little impact the experiences of the last three years have made on both the political and financial elites.
The global Covid-19 pandemic, and the measures adopted to resist it, should have made Truss’s disinterment of supply-side economics (also known as Thatcherism, Reaganism, Rogernomics, and neoliberalism) the object of risible laughter. Beating the pandemic – and saving the global economy – had been achieved by printing money in huge quantities, spending it like a sailor on shore-leave, and then upping the state’s revenue collection capabilities to prevent the wallowing economic ship from capsizing and sinking.
In other words, by adopting the very measures supply-side economists have spent the last 50 years warning politicians against.
Truss and her fanatical Tory friends should also have come away from the pandemic with the vital importance of building and maintaining social cohesion seared into their political consciousness. If the ethical case for looking after the people somehow eluded her, Truss should at least have been educated by the fate of her predecessor. Having won an historic election victory on the strength of becoming the “People’s Tory”, Boris Johnson came to grief by being exposed as a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do kind of guy.
“Levelling-up” had proved to be a winning slogan for the British Conservatives. Grinding-down is proving considerably less popular. It takes a great deal to put the Keir Starmer-led Labour Party 33 percentage points ahead of the Conservatives, but Truss’s mini-budget has met the challenge!
New Zealand’s own conservatives, represented in the National and Act parties, have shown as little interest in learning anything from the last three years as their British counterparts. They do, however, appear to be quite keen on taking instruction from the same right-wing think-tanks as the Tories.
Christopher Luxon demonstrated this pedagogical relationship by turning up to a meeting of the Policy Exchange – one of the big-three UK ideology factories alongside the Centre for Policy Studies (Thatcher’s baby) and the Institute of Economic Affairs (Truss’s current Svengali). Keen, perhaps, to show his hosts that he, too, possessed the requisite hard-nosed ideological chops, Luxon declaimed against a New Zealand business community that was “getting soft and looking to the government for all their answers.” The conservative government he intends to lead by the end of 2023 will be all about “unleashing enterprise”.
How? Well, this is where it all gets just a little bit embarrassing. Luxon’s formula for success turns out to be exactly the same as Truss’s: cut taxes, restrain government spending, reduce the regulatory burden on private enterprise. In short, Luxon’s National Party is re-dedicating itself to the precepts of supply-side economics.
Not surprisingly, the sharply negative reaction of the British financial markets to Truss’s resurrection of Thatcherism, has prompted questions here about Luxon’s revivification of the economic and social policies of Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson. National’s critics point to the obvious similarities in the two parties’ programmes, and are pressing Luxon to explain why their similar content will not produce similar results.
The Opposition’s right-wing allies have been quick to play down the similarities between the policy frameworks of Truss and Luxon. According to one economist, they are as different as “chalk and cheese”. National’s tax-cuts, for example, are much smaller when presented as a percentage of New Zealand’s GDP. Neither do New Zealand consumers yet require the massive subsidies lavished on the UK’s industrial and domestic energy suppliers to keep the home gas-fires burning.
Even so, the general shape of National’s policy platform conforms – at least in ideological terms – with that of Truss and Kwarteng. Further enriching those at the summit of the income pyramid is held, as a matter of faith, to be the necessary first step towards re-igniting capital investment, labour productivity and economic growth. Paradoxically, the utter failure of these measures to generate growth in the short term is taken as proof that they are working.
As anyone who was paying attention as supply-side economics was being imposed here in New Zealand during the late-1980s will recall, Kiwis were constantly being enjoined to endure “short-term pain for long-term gain”. Never mind that the ill-fated “New Zealand Experiment”, like the equally disastrous “Kansas Experiment”, produced the opposite of what was promised. They simply hadn’t been given the necessary time to bear fruit.
Those undergoing the transition from “the failed policies of the past” to the neoliberal nirvana of the future, had to be prepared to “stay the course”. In the long run, the supply-siders policies were bound to work. The problem being, of course, that, in the words of the despised economist, John Maynard Keynes: “In the ‘long run’, we’re all dead.”
It remains to be seen whether Truss possesses the single-minded tenacity of her hero, Margaret Thatcher, who, when pressured to reverse her hard-line policies, famously taunted her critics: “You turn if you want to, the Lady’s not for turning.” One suspects, however, that Truss is living proof of Karl Marx’s observation that history repeats itself: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
Supply-side economics has always been bogus: economically, mathematically, politically and morally. It has never been anything more than a screen behind which the wealthiest are protected at the expense of the poorest.
But, as the saying goes: “Fool me once, shame on you: fool me twice, shame on me.”
Truss and Luxon seem to have forgotten that the British and the New Zealand people have seen this movie before. They know how it ends. Second time around, they may not be quite so willing to pick up the tab.
*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.
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I didn't like Thatcher, but its easy to forget what we faced under her predecessors. In the 1970s in the UK we had rolling strikes and supply side shocks including continual power cuts and the army running the fire and ambulance services. The UK was being run under a kind of pseudo communism. British manufacturing an had gone from being the envy of the world and master craftsman pride, to a footdraggers excuse for drawing a union mandated wage. The attitude of employees today is starting to remind me of those times. Ask not what your company can do for you..
The NZ of the 1970s was not much better. The Unions running major transport links such as the inter island ferries regularly stopped work school & xmas holidays, the Boilermakers union crippled steelframe construction (notably the Wgtn BNZ building) & all unions resisted any workplace efficiency improvements to eg modify archaic manning numbers. Collective bargaining of national awards restrained competition. Many union organizers had UK accents.
Muldoon implemented direct wage, salary, rent & price controls & sent the country broke maintaining a fixed currency rate.
In his lifelong scorn of Roger Douglas Chris fails to suggest the feasible & successful alternative available to avoid the 1980s economic restructuring.
Muldoon had taken NZ to the brink of bankruptcy ... something radical had to be done ... Dodgie Rogie may have made some mistakes along the way , but he did open the doors of competition too ... moving us away from sclerotic giant government departments ... something the Ardern government's centralisation agenda is trying to reverse ... Ardern & Muldoon share the same big government knows best mantra ...
Maligned at the time, ridiculed even once Rowling took over, hindsight offers some favourable acknowledgement to the Kirk Labour government in place prior to Muldoon, which he destructed, savagely. That Labour government introduced, ACC, compulsory superannuation, launched a freight shipping service, commenced planning for satellite towns eg Rolleston (now booming,) sent a frigate to protest the French nuke tests, had the backbone to cancel a Springbok tour, and introduced a property speculation tax that Muldoon kept in place, well into his second term. Government was undone by the oil crisis and extraordinarily remorseless use of the media by Muldoon, which none of the Labour seniors could withstand, once Kirk had passed.
As a " centre right " voter , it frustrates the hell out of me that the Tories in the UK/National in NZ feel that tax cuts for the rich are a must ...
... if they focused on the lower tax bands , they'd garner greater support , and greater impact for the people receiving those cuts ....
Chris Luxon !!! .... the rich do not need tax cuts ...
It’s the rich who create the wealth or more importantly those striving to become rich. The rich already pay most of the tax take, furthermore they are far better at utilising money than any Govt. Governments everywhere are bloated I am sure you will have noticed Govt waste cash on a massive scale. And yes, the lower tax band need adjusting.
If the Gnats adjust the lower tax bands , everyone gets to keep more of their income , rich & poor alike ...
... if they adjust the upper bands , only the rich benefit ... and , Labour will use that as an electioneering weapon against the Gnats ... something they couldn't do if just the lower tax brackets were shifted ...
The rich already pay most of the tax take,
Untrue. The highly paid pay most of the tax take, not the rich. Those are two very different things, especially in NZ where unearned income has not been taxed equitably with earned income.
furthermore they are far better at utilising money than any Govt.
Dubious claim, but possible. One must acknowledge to they're good at getting money out of the government and / or socialising their costs.
Rick, just when we were getting on.... :)
Seriously, who do you think the rich are in this country? All the investor's I know have high-paying jobs to support those investments. Earned income is most certainly NOT taxed equitably in this country (or an country that I know of) 8% of the tax paying population pay 47% of the tax. Not equitable in the slightest.
Only because those at the bottom are paid so poorly that the government needs to make up the difference.
Those who are well paid should be more grateful for those below them as they enable them to be well paid. How is a CEO well paid without a company of employees to manage? How does a entrepreneur earn good money without a market to sell a product into?
Anyone who has spent time in a university hall in the last two decades will tell you that the rich in New Zealand certainly don’t pay their share of tax.
The number of ex Kings, Christ’s, Dio etc alumni I saw being dropped off at uni in a Range Rover before bragging about their full student allowance was truly astonishing.
Same here, I recall hitting the 60% rate and yes, also when a single income family with pre-schoolers. But, I recall thinking we were well off (owned our own home, with a mortgage of course). I thought of crossing the threshold as an achievement - and that tax only applied to all that earned above the threshold, so not really a big deal.
UK - In 1974 the top tax rate on earned income was again raised, to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the overall top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (equivalent to £221,741 in 2021 terms),
The reasons why can always be debated, as is now being argued in the current inflation cycle. Back in the 1980s it clearly had to be stopped & economic restructuring including removing barriers to globalisation delivered the result that matters - 25+ years of low/no inflation.
TINA - or if there was any obvious alternative I've never seen it.
Obviously you don’t REALLY remember all the converging conditions of the global economy in that era, and as such the reasons there was such turmoil within economies and the union movement globally over that decade. A primer https://groovyhistory.com/what-caused-the-great-inflation-of-the-1970s.
Consider the current British economy and the union strikes right now. History doesn’t repeat, but it certainly rhymes.
stefanblaise,
I spent most of my life in Scotland and After the horrors of the late 70s, I too voted for Thatcher, but it didn't take long for the gloss to wear off. Most Scots quickly grew to dislike her and she returned the compliment. I truly believe that she was more than a little mad in her later years as PM. However, I can say with certainty that parts of British manufacturing were failing long before the 70s, as the history of shipbuilding clearly shows. A mixture of incompetent and arrogant owners coupled with workers who found themselves unable to break free of out-of-date working practices, had doomed the industry to failure. Indeed, but for WW2, it would have happened much earlier.
I am astounded by the level of self interest in our politicians and wider society. Kwasi Kwarteng toasted his budget with his hedge fund mates over a glass of champagne, Rees Mogg has given his investment business partner a peerage and ministerial job in government, in NZ Chris Luxon owns 7 houses and his priority is the welfare of property investors and Nanaia Mahuta thinks her husband is the only suitable Maori in the country.
I recently gave out some sports awards and was told I was one of the few coaches not to give a prize to their own child.
There must be someone out there who puts the welfare of others before themselves?
Hi Brock, please don't misquote me. My point was that other Maori consultancies could have done the work rather than a company owned by her relations. It wasn't a dig at her personally or at Maori. I was illustrating that nepotism and self interest are alive and well on both ends of the political spectrum.
Liz and Kwarsi were in shock, is a statement.
National
Cut taxes, remove interest on loans oh houses, disallowed for tax purposes
Sell some government assets
Labour
Maintain social welfare spending and programmes
Maintain the interest on loans on houses, disallowed for tax purposes
Stage prescence
Jacinda appears on Stephen Colbert's show and seems to be liked by the press.
Chris, has yet to make a mark, don't like his "only being in the job for eight months" or on borrowing to pay for tax cuts "its a separate issue".
2023
Place your bets.
"worst in living memory" - I keep reading this, can you tell me why exactly? Is it the record low unemployment, the big increases to minimum wage, the world's best response to Covid, the end of the housing Ponzi?
I am not saying Labour have been at all perfect, but worst in living memory is a very low bar. The last government for example did nothing at all about house prices for most of their term after campaigning to decrease them, made no decent infrastructure investments while keeping the immigration tap wide open, and voted against gay marriage like it was the 1960's.
JimboJones,
You are wasting your time. This government deserves to be heavily criticized for numerous policy failures, but 'the worst in living memory' is sheer nonsense and can only be the product of someone well to the Right. You will never get a sensible exchange with them.
I'd vote the Key government era for the worst in living memory (and I even voted for them at one stage).
Growing the population by half a million easily exploited, mainly low skill migrants (that our businesses are now addicted to) with nary a house, hospital or road built to cater for them. Covering the sandy soils of the Canterbury Plains with irrigators, with no thought of catching the nitrogen before it hit the rivers. Devaluing our university system with "export education" rife with cheating and fraud. Inventing the accommodation supplement as a substitute for state housing to subsidise residential investors. And that's just off the top of my head.
Jimbo, this is a pretty average retelling of history. The 'end of the housing Ponzi' is being driven entirely by external events after letting prices spike 40% by sitting on their hands while RBNZ lurched from excuse to excuse, and with little actual underlying intentional intervention by Labour, especially compared to what they campaigned on.
The 'world's best response' to Covid? Our death rates are now running ahead of those we turned our nose up at, we had repeated failings of our MIQ system, independent reviews announced to head off criticisms of failures and then have another set of reviews reveal nothing actually changed at all months later.
I will give you the big increase in the minimum wage, but will also point out that they did this even under L4 lockdown in 2020 as well, at the time businesses had literally no revenue. So I don't think that was the intellectual win that some want to make it out to be.
Key openly stated his support for Gay Marriage; contrast that with Ardern's lack of clarity around the referendum on cannabis reform in 2020. And they did fund the CRL in Auckland and the RONS (even though RONS 2 was garbage) which makes the progress on Light Rail in Central Auckland (supposed to be finished) and North West Auckland (supposed to be finished by 2028) and the cycleway look pretty pitiful.
If it weren't for Covid then Ardern would have headed into the 2020 polls defending a track record of executing close to nothing that was promised, and if it wasn't for National imploding then they still might have lost. No amount of revisionism will change that.
I'd happily describe myself as a social democrat - but at some point it comes down whether what you believe in or your political identity is more important to you, and given the track record of what the government campaigned on to get elected vs. what they've actually done, I'd suggest some are struggling with that.
I would have been far far better off if Labour had delivered housing reform, rapid transit and made inroads into their policy areas, but the reality is they have not and at this point, probably can't. Political capital is best spent centralising jobs into Wellington and not actually improving the lives of Kiwis, and that's a choice they've clearly now made.
Here is a list of the most conservative countries in the world for you ✈️✅
- Yemen
- Mali
- Iran
- Pakistan
- Chad
- Egypt
- Saudi Arabia
- Lebanon
- Eswatini
- Ethiopia
But you need to avoid these most progressive hell holes:
- Norway
- Finland
- Denmark
- Iceland
- Switzerland
- Canada
- Sweden
- Netherlands
- Japan
- Germany
Oh and here is the top 10 happiest:
- Finland
- Denmark
- Iceland
- Switzerland
- Netherlands
- Luxembourg
- Sweden
- Norway
- Israel
- New Zealand
I have been fortunate enough to travel to most of those places. ✈️✅
Imagine being so naive to copy paste the social progress index the equate it with left/right progressive/conservative politics.
One minute your are slagging off "European modelled society" the next minute you are identifying it as the model we should aspire too.
You seem very confused and conflicted. It would waste less of everybody's time to have a consistent and coherent argument.
A lot of "European modelled society" is great, some of it is shit, a bit of change here and there is almost always a good thing. The countries in the least progressive list are the ones afraid of change, the ones that still think that their country/culture/race/religion is great and doesn't need to change, this is what you are advocating for isn't it?
If you want I can change to the top 10 most liberal country list: "Liberal countries prioritise freedom and equality, and act to make those concepts a reality for their inhabitants. They actively work to fully accept and support everyone – to make you feel at home.". its basically the same list of course.
That's just pure racism and bigotry. Standard for people of your political persuasion.
What I will observe, is that the countries on the "good" list have strong separation of church and state. Something to consider before weaving tribal superstitions into government policy.
Equality (of opportunity) and freedom (of speech) are not central planks of modern "progressivism".
So when house prices go up because the RBNZ lowers interest rates it is Labour's fault, but when they come down after the RBNZ increases interest rates it is due to external events? I say it is the end of the Ponzi because without the special tax treatment investment properties are no longer such a cash cow. National want to reverse that.
As for Covid, our overall death rate is much lower. We are just coming out of winter, most other countries were in summer so yes they may be doing better right now.
As for minimum wage, National would have said "If we raise minimum wage businesses will employ less people". But Labour had the balls to do it anyway, and now we have the lowest unemployment rate ever.
Yes Key openly stated his support for Gay Marriage, but most of his party voted against it. Ardern not taking a stance was because she didn't want to influence a referendum, quite different really.
Yes National did fund the CRL, but much later than almost any other party had supported it. It would be finished by now under Labour. Yes Labour have screwed up Light Rail and Kiwibuild, but I am not sure that makes them the worst government ever.
So when house prices go up because the RBNZ lowers interest rates it is Labour's fault, but when they come down after the RBNZ increases interest rates it is due to external events? I say it is the end of the Ponzi because without the special tax treatment investment properties are no longer such a cash cow. National want to reverse that.
Was there some actual consequences for the RBNZ lowering interest rates for too long? They're answerable to the Finance Minister, who has so far taken no action at all despite the huge spike in house prices AND the massive amount of inflation and tanking dollar, so I assume he's pretty happy with that, and the huge pressure households are under.
Yes National did fund the CRL, but much later than almost any other party had supported it. It would be finished by now under Labour. Yes Labour have screwed up Light Rail and Kiwibuild, but I am not sure that makes them the worst government ever.
Are you seriously suggesting I'm meant to look at the absolute dogs breakfast that is Auckland Light Rail as proof that Labour would have delivered the CRL? That's.... ambitious, given that they delayed electrification until 2007 and tried to pass a fuel tax to make Aucklanders paid for it. Unwound, and delivered by National, I might add.
Ardern wasn't trying to not influence the referendum, she was trying to not lose the election. There was no referendum for Key to influence, he just came out and supported it, which he didn't have to do.
The sad reality is if the Key Government was neglectful and do-nothing then this government is worse. Gaslighting the population and blaming everything on Covid after the fact when you don't have the ability to deliver on policy and never did is arguably a greater sin than walking back on housing reform like National did.
There is currently a three part series on Aljazeera on their Labour party and its unelectable. What goes on behind the scenes is unbelievable and the level of backstabbing and lies to get into a position of power is something else. Liz better make it work for the sake of the UK people.
Here we go again. Lurching from one extreme economic dogma to the next. As another poster mentioned the “worker power” of the seventies via unionism to “neo-liberalism” via rule by the wealthy elites in the eighties until today. Neither scenario suits. Worker power runs the risk of making an enterprise uncompetitive versus neo-liberalism just flattens wages in pursuit of profits. Both regimes create resentment and conflict. We need a third way that is easy for most of the population to grasp. A third way that does not destroy our environment through a slavish obsession to endless ‘growth’. This third way must incorporate the best elements of both systems.
Unfortunately we as humans are not yet ready for this third way where everybody wins equally. Both aforementioned systems require more and more resources to sustain as we by and large individually continue to have high expectations for our material lives and that of our children. Greed and the thirst for power drives both systems due to the human flaws of the leadership of both groups. Sadly we won’t find this third way until our material world is broken down enough to force us to co-operate to survive let alone thrive. Globally I see no example of this third way. Our current system seems to be a ‘slow moving train wreck’. With no-one at the wheel. Probably exactly as it has always been.
Great post.
Back it up and we're an overshot species, population-wise. So we compete (and hoodwink ourselves about that; 'they' are always evil and 'we' are always virtuous - but we won...).
And the neocons - most of them at least - realise that the system in which they are the elite, is in trouble. so they are going to have to attempt an engineered descent where they are still the winners. That requires the financial system, forward bets and all, to stay intact as the scoring-board; somewhat unlikely.
But hence the teleprompter cadaver in the US, and Truss the mouthpiece in the UK. Macron is maverick enough to get it, Merkel is gone just when Germany needed her most.
May we live in interesting times....
Globally I see no example of this third way.
Costa Rica is a very interesting unitary presidential democracy. Constitutionally abolished its defence forces/expenditure and re-directed that spending into education and environment. It amazes me that it is a small country geographically amidst other countries in relative turmoil - yet it is stable and secure. Amazing accomplishment.
This piece was excellent, really on point.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/09/29/they-call-it-democracy-but-theyre…
Beating the pandemic – and saving the global economy – had been achieved by printing money in huge quantities
That's very debatable, the pandemic has not been "beaten" it has finally just been ignored, msm are not obsessed with it anymore and are not reporting the scores of infections, like the score of a never ending cricket game, so the pandemic seems to have disappeared.
There are plenty of contrary views posted on this site - and all power to them.
The question is: Who has the truth?
And the answer is: Almost nobody, and no politician in NZ since Jeanette Fitzsimons (I am happy to be corrected).
Nobody else told/tells the truth about the Limits to Growth.
This is a disappointing and disingenuous article, trying to conflate the recent spike in inflation with neoliberalism, or supply-side economics - whatever label the author wants to use. He suggests that the opposite of neoliberalism saved us from the pandemic. Um no, the lockdown was the measure used against the pandemic, and we went into massive debt to keep people going - this was not a good example of normal economic practice. And the reason we have inflation is partly due to the Reserve Bank lowering rates and buying bonds, which they are now very quickly reversing.
The only thing going on here is that the UK has cut taxes, which will fuel inflation even more, in the same way the current NZ Labour party is fuelling more inflation with more helicopter spending. None of this has to do with neoliberalism versus socialism, yet the author has chosen the opportunity to use the drop in the British pound as an attack piece against centre-right economics.
The economics editor of the Financial Times and professor of Economics at Oxford University largely agrees with Trotter:
The UK’s longer-term economic performance must indeed improve if the desires of its people for a better life are to be realised.
Truss and Kwarteng will not deliver this. Unfunded tax cuts and investment zones will certainly not deliver this. Another big jump in inequality will not deliver this.
These people are mad, bad and dangerous. They have to go.
https://www.ft.com/content/510948e9-3c33-42c5-929e-b97c953dc767
Full text available https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/xtxn4g/financial_times_economi… if behind paywall.
"cut taxes, restrain government spending, reduce the regulatory burden on private enterprise." It just so happens that this exact recipe worked wonders for the US economy under the big bad Orange man. They had their best growth in years and lowest unemployment.
There is a big difference between NZ and the UK, least of all is the fact NZ has the fiscal room to cut taxes. The UK does not. The UK's dire debt to GDP situation, combined with a tax cut and ultra-expensive energy subsidies is why the market reaction was so swift. If you are boarding on bankruptcy, you don't go and slash your income while increasing spending. That's what Truss is proposing. NZ is nothing like the UK and getting government out of the way of business has always been a good thing.
Liz Truss is brings about GBP45billion in tax cuts and spends GBP150billion on energy subsidies. The GBP crashes until the Royal Bank intervenes.
Chris "constantly rewriting the same 1980s dirge" Trotter says this is entirely the fault of the (much smaller scale) tax cuts, ignoring the elephant in the room.
I don't get it. Truss, Luxon, and the other wingnuts focus on supply-side economic management.
But so does Robbo, the RBNZ, and the leftie team (Cindy has zero interest in economics so we can leave her out).
They're all on the same train and cut from the same cloth.
"supply-side economics (also known as Thatcherism, Reaganism, Rogernomics, and neoliberalism)".
The usage of these terms tends to confuse people into believing it is some sort of new 'system' established in the 1980s. In reality, it just means less government, i.e. less of a 'system'.
When hard-left commentators use these terms deliberately in this way that Trotter does, it reminds me of how religious people use the word 'atheism' in a way that suggests it is another competing religion, as opposed to the lack of a religion. In the same way, economic liberalism is simply advocating for less of the government 'system'. That is all.
In the same way, economic liberalism is simply advocating for less of the government 'system'. That is all.
Yes, but look at Robbo and Team Cindy for example. Promising this and that, which requires at the very least some input from the public sector, while at the same time following a path of austerity (generally speaking). F'more it seems quite clear that they prefer broad money to enter the economy through the banking mechanism and the property bubble.
Dripping with contradiction or just running the economy on the fly without any clear overarching philosophy or strategy.
I'm not sure how this relates to my comments, but I do agree with the point that I think you are making, being that you shouldn't spend more than you tax (am I right?). The only real tax cut is a cut in spending. Any spending needs to be covered either by current tax, or future taxes used to cover debt payments.
What I'm suggesting is that I don't see any strong difference in the economic philosophies bwtween right of center and left of center. Feel free to explain if you think there is.
As far as I'm concerned, the "cut tax for the rich" is a tactic for populist / self interest reasons pushed by the wingnuts and is consistent with a laissez fair economic philosophy. But do you really think the lefties are any different?
Ah okay. I agree, there is not enough of a difference to stage a coup over. But as a centrist, I like it that way.
The problem with politics right now is that it has been taken over by wokeism and tribalism (not a left vs right debate!). The debate between the parties used to centre around economic policies, and how we find the right balance between overall productivity and spreading the wealth. Unfortunately we have regressed back to debating whether we still believe in democracy (what???), and freedom of speech. We can't move forward to economic policy until we sort that out.
How? In NZ, the two main parties are pulled towards the centre 1. because of MMP, and 2. I would argue that the majority of people are centrist and have left behind the harshly divisive politics that Trotter yearns for. NZ doesn't even have the checks and balances that other countries have. The government can do whatever they like with a majority. They are beholden only to themselves. What do you think is stopping them, and which way do you think they would go - right or left, without this 'monetary hegemony'?
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