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'Bills' by LunchMoney Lewis, writes Chris Trotter, must be the all-time strangest theme-song ever chosen by a National Party leader

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'Bills' by LunchMoney Lewis, writes Chris Trotter, must be the all-time strangest theme-song ever chosen by a National Party leader
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LunchMoney Lewis.

By Chris Trotter*

“Bills” by LunchMoney Lewis, must be the all-time strangest theme-song ever chosen by a National Party leader.

Christopher Luxon made the whole weird musical theme even weirder by attempting his own personal rendition of LunchMoney’s tongue-in-cheek tribute to the world of work.

Now, the lifestyles and values of rap artists are about as far from the hardscrabble existence of the average working family as one could imagine. LunchMoney Lewis has bills to pay, no doubt, but they are for products and services well beyond the reach of most African-Americans! This artist is also a businessman.

Now, it would be nice to think that Luxon gets LunchMoney’s joke. That he understands the Kiwi battler’s bills, and his bills, are truly chalk and cheese. Such sly self-knowledge and brutal political honesty would be refreshing in our hyper-mediated world.

By bounding onto the stage to LunchMoney’s rap, Luxon would be admitting (sub-textually) that a man who owns seven houses, and the centre-right party he leads, are cats every bit as fat as the Florida rapper. Such transparent inauthenticity would, paradoxically, make the Leader of the Opposition a more – not less – authentic politician.

But, that would be too much to hope for. In all probability, Luxon took LunchMoney’s lyrics at their face value. “Bills”, as heard by Luxon, is a cri-de-cœur from a hard-working man determined to pull himself and his family up by their own bootstraps. It simply wouldn’t occur to him that LunchMoney’s rap was a tribute to his own escape from the bills ordinary people gotta pay, and the “work, work, work” they “gotta do to fill the mouths they gotta feed.

Luxon’s crude literalism, is reminiscent of Ronald Reagan’s use of Bruce Springsteen’s anthem “Born in the USA” in his re-election campaign of 1984. The Gipper simply had no idea that Springsteen’s song was about the tormented existence of a Vietnam veteran robbed of his buddies, his peace of mind, and the possibility of a good life, by the murderous demands of Uncle Sam.

“America’s future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts”, intoned Reagan. “It rests in the message of hope in songs of a man so many young Americans admire, New Jersey’s own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about.”

In the end, being born in the USA was the only thing the song’s hero had left. Far from being a hymn of praise to Reagan’s “shining city on a hill”, Springsteen’s song is laced with bitter irony and bankrupted hope. It is, however, doubtful that Reagan ever realised his mistake.

Doubtful, too, that Luxon’s journey into the bright lights and dark alleys of popular culture will be a long one. Doubtless, there is a huge amount to learn from the rappers and hip-hop artists of South Auckland. Who knows what insights he might come away with if he sat down with them in a place without cameras, without microphones, and just listened to the life-stories of these often spectacularly successful artists and businessmen?

That is, after all, what another National Party leader, Rob Muldoon, did, more than 40 years ago, with representatives of Black Power and the Mongrel Mob. The Project Employment Programmes which, in part, grew out of these encounters, set many young gang prospects on a new path, leading them away from crime, and towards steady employment, family life, and an altogether more productive existence.

Rob Muldoon had sat his final accountancy examinations in between fighting the Germans in Italy. He was a moderately successful businessman, comfortably off, but not rich: an Auckland suburbanite with a family bach at Orewa. The National Party he came to lead was a huge organisation, filled with people very like himself.

The experience of “The War” bound National Party members together in those days – as it did Labour’s. What came to be called the “RSA Generation” understood that, when the bullets start flying, who your father is and where you went to school doesn’t matter a damn. Character is not determined by class – but by courage.

Luxon’s speech to the National Party’s annual conference could have used the Covid-19 Pandemic – the closest contemporary New Zealanders have come to the solidarities and vicissitudes of war – as a new starting-point for the state’s efforts to get disengaged young jobseekers into the habits of learning and working that the whole country so desperately needs them to acquire.

He came close:

“National believes those closest to the problems should be closest to the answers. That’s why we back community-led solutions. For example, the Covid vaccine roll-out showed that bureaucrats in Wellington don’t always know best how to reach people. Just ask the Māori organisations who had to take the Government to court so they could get people vaccinated.”

If young New Zealanders are to re-engage with learning and working successfully, it will be through the efforts of autonomous, community-driven initiatives akin to those that ensured Māori rates of vaccination matched those of the rest of the population. The key words here are “autonomous” and “community-driven”.

Sadly, however, National’s policy-makers lacked the courage to trust the poor to take charge of their own destiny. Luxon’s plans for moving young jobseekers “From Welfare To Work” (where have we heard that slogan before?) by contracting “community groups” to “coach” the long-term unemployed out of their “welfare dependency” and into paid employment, will undoubtedly be met with the approval of conservative New Zealanders. Many will welcome the reappearance of Bill English’s “social investment” approach. But, will it work?

Those on the receiving end of policies setting them up as “suitable cases for treatment” are seldom grateful. Community organisations funded by the tax-payer have a long history of offering their “clients” little more than the condescension of middle-class professionals. Before successful coaching can begin, it is necessary to have a team. If National could only find the courage to allow these teams to form themselves, with sufficient resources to hire their own coaches, then the party’s social investment policies just might succeed.

Taken in its entirety, LunchMoney Lewis’s rap is not the positive statement Christopher Luxon obviously believes it to be. In the accompanying video, the artist makes clear his scepticism that the “work, work, work” of ordinary people will ever get them out from under all those bills. Rappers speak of a world rigged by the Man, for the Man. That’s why they portray working for the Man as a fool’s game. Luxon and the National Party would have a lot more credibility if they offered the young unemployed the chance to become their own bosses.

Then they’d be businessmen. And businessmen don’t have bills – they have accounts payable. And, as the former CEO of Air New Zealand knows, the larger your pile of accounts payable, the more likely it is that someone else will pay them for you.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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trust the poor to take charge of their own destiny.

How's that working out for us at the moment? 

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Throughout history, the elites have taken charge of the poors' destiny.

Every Empire thus constructed has collapsed, every rune is silent, every Long Count... doesn't.

Reckon the poor have a better chance, left alone. As it is, they're just another commodity; just another chance to commandeer the Commons. That weekend speech was from a dinosaur.

 

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Luxon may be a dinosaur, but the rest of us are trying to figure out how we have massively higher benefit numbers and supposedly a record low unemployment rate.

As for the poor sorting themselves out, there seems to be a steady flow of the more entrepreneurial souls on the news between the hours of 6:00pm and 6:05pm offering free security audits for local retailers. Meanwhile, the rest of us are told "You just keep getting up at 5am to beat the traffic each day and go to a job that it takes an hour to get home from each night, eventually they'll figure it out".

Why is that, again? 

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Do we have massively higher benefit numbers? 

Apart from the pension, with an aging population. 

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2017:

Super - 13.7billion

Housing - 2.26 billion

Benefits (jobseeker, single parent etc) - 5.9 Billion

Student Allowance - 1.95 billion

2021:

Super - 16.6 billion

Housing - 2.3 billion

Benefits (jobseeker, single parent etc) - 6.5 Billion

Student Allowance .6 billion

Source: MSD Annual Reports

Some of those numbers are static if you factor in inflation (definitely not what I'd call "massively higher"). Probably only Super that's ballooning. It would appear on the surface that a lot of the student population have migrated into employment. 

We did however spend 10s of billions of dollars tiding over jobs during covid. Middle class welfare I guess.

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Good info, cheers. Doesn't seem to support the narrative but will await GV27's data too. Pension definitely the biggest blowout. 

Meanwhile, population has increased ~250,000 since 2017.

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I think from memory Super is going to climb well above 20 billion in this decade - no one is brave enough to look at means testing this, raising the age, longer term adding in Kiwisaver to reduce it etc etc.

Easier to try and reduce something reducing anyway and spend less on education.

I think we should address Super and free up more money to invest in education - without more into that its a slippery slope downwards. Easy to say if you don't need to get elected by the majority who cant see past their nose it seems.

So apart from chasing a few young unemployed ones around whats the bright new plan and vision???

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In retrospect, John Key raiding Kiwisaver to enable young people to pay more for existing housing was a spectacularly bad idea. Benefited speculators, obviously, but...

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Not even in retrospect.

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We do, yes. They are markedly higher since 2017. $$$ only tells half the story as they are paid out at a pittance anyway.

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Which numbers are you referring to? Source?

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The numbers for the year at the end of June showed a 9.7 percent decrease in work-ready people on jobseeker support compared to the previous year.

That was 100,086 people, about 60 percent higher than the 63,030 when Labour took office in 2017 but down from the peak 2020 year when the number was 123,966 people.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/471369/jobseeker-benefit-numbers-d…

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Maybe bad reporting.

If we look at the MSD's numbers, there's been over 100,000 people on jobseeker constantly since 2014. What we can see though, is a jump between late 2019 and late 2020, most of which you can put down to Covid layoffs. Which is now decreasing. Maybe the devil is in the description "work ready", I presume there are people on jobseeker who aren't work ready. 

https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-r…

You seemed to be making out there's been some sort of unexplainable explosion, doesn't seem overly unusual when you look at the source's figures. 

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If you look a bit further forward than December, many indicators are stagnating, suggesting the recovery between this point and where we were is going to require structural fixes and arguably has little to do with Covid - you can see most of the post-Covid mop-up is well behind us and we're into a 'new normal' that's much higher than the pre-Covid numbers. 

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/…

 

 

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trust the poor to take charge of their own destiny.

 

The poor are poor precisely because they do not take care of their destiny

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This is an exceptionally simplistic viewpoint.

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Two thirds of this article is about the chosen symbolism? Somewhat wasteful?

As to Luxon's increasingly debated policy about getting young people into work, I feel there are some big gaps. I like the incentives he talks about - make it worthwhile in the pocket for them as they get started, and soon they will learn there are more benefits to working. But there are still gaps that he is not apparently addressing. Minimum wage jobs are too close to the benefit, and too thankless for many young to consider them worthwhile. Working conditions need to be improved (40 hours p/wk, overtime rates etc), but most of all there must be the jobs available for people to have in the first place. Teaching a work ethic needs to be better. The current starter jobs tends to make too many feel like slaves. More could be done. 

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I feel like nothing is really going to happen in this area until abatements are sorted out and the cost of childcare is massively massively reduced. Having a stay-at-home parent on a benefit seems preferable to having an absentee one that has to work so many hours they never see their kids, just to be able to afford the childcare to allow them to work in the first place. 

There is a real trap there for young people (in fact, most people, particularly those with children) where going to work probably doesn't stack up. 

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Yes, agree. When you allow this type of employer and accommodation https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129496019/blatant-exploitation-migrant… to exist, you would be safer and financially better of to not work at all.

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Successive governments have been pretty soft on that sort of crime.

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After 40 plus years of voting regularly and of listening to symbolically irrelevant politicians talking up their own agendas, then delivering little I will not be voting in either local or National elections this year or next - disillusioned yeah. 

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TOP?

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i did join TOP right at the beginning for about six weeks as I thought their economic policies a breath of fresh air. It's only afterwards did I find out about their Maori policy and resigned. Maybe its worth another look based on what Labour is surreptitiously doing with no reversal by the Nats likely should the Nats get in.

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Yes, well National were pretty happy when they signed the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2010.  

The statement in support of the declaration:

  • acknowledges that Maori hold a special status as tangata whenua, the indigenous people of New Zealand and have an interest in all policy and legislative matters;

And people wonder why Labour is incorporating Indigenous people aka Maori in "all policy and legislative matters".  

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-dec…

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Can't find much policy on their website on the matter.  What is it in a nutshell?

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" In a democracy, people who don't vote get the Government they deserve."

While we still have the remnants of democracy...

 

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I haven't been voting that long, but feeling a bit miserable about it all myself.

Both options are different ends of the same stinky turd.

Vote National/ACT for more boomer-tier bene bashing that won't solve the underlying issues, kowtowing to the demands of the big business lobby (i.e. flooding the country with low paid workers to try and drive down wages) and no punches being pulled in trying to restart the property speculation engine for the benefit of a select few in society ... all with a an added serving of environmental degradation.

Vote Labour/Green for trying to get more people hooked on the government money crack pipe so they can't ever leave (whether that's benefits, WFF, or dubiously-beneficial back office public service roles), unending demonisation of private enterprise - because it's not like businesses create economic activity that allows for all this tax revenue to be extracted - absolute non-delivery against almost every conceivable promise made, the destruction of "one person one vote" (because 'democracy has changed', don't ya know), and the only thing trending up being the number of ram raids and violent crimes. Oh and don't forget they will probably need TPM to get over the line next time - a party which comes out with genuinely insane statements like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/wi2tmh/comment/ij9nqw7/ 

Decisions, decisions. 

 

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Sigh.  Chris Trotter trying so hard to undermine Luxon.   But he has to try real hard here, it's been a big stretch. 

I enjoy Trotter, but one in three articles is hopeless.  This is one of those. 

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Luxon undermines himself - after all here is a guy who is fundamentally opposed to 50% of the population having control over their own bodies because of some edict from a supernatural being. Hard to see past that..........

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It's a tough choice between a conservative party that needs to entertain Jesus existing, and a Socialist party that wants to become Jesus. 

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I'd settle for a Shaftesbury who's happy to embody some Jesus.

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I've enjoyed Trotter for decades however in recent years he's been all over the place trying to defend the indefensible: the secretive & unilateral undermining of NZ democracy with no electoral  mandate by his cherished Left. 

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Odd, I thought he'd been a rare outspoken critic of the left, and on the left:

eg 

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/05/12/getting-on-with-co-governance-wit… 

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/04/22/no-good-options/

 etc

 

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The first is an excellent piece, thanks for the link.

About to read the second.

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Sounds like a rerun of beneficiary bashing unfortunately. I felt very encouraged by the the many examples of our Maori communities taking control of their own destinies with regard to Covid -19 vaccinations for our populations in both urban and rural environments. These groups have a such valuable knowledge of their own communities and the individuals residing in them. Possessing the right communication skills, motivation and ability to interpret government policy into everyday trustworthy language for their communities. Trust is such a precious commodity in these scenarios. As Chris says all they need are the resources to get on with the job of supporting their communities. My question is are there equivalent community groups within Aotearoa that can reach disaffected and skeptical individuals in the rest of the population? Perhaps not as far as I can see. Church groups certainly. What about the rest? The things that unites us Maori in my experience is our shared culture, lived experiences and stories passed on to us by our forbears of their suffering. Even those of us like myself who was not brought up immersed in the culture.

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Oh, you mean the groups of thugs who setup their own illegal community borders & the church groups who decided that their sky fairy prayers would protect them from Covid so became superspreaders.

Those examples.

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What about the Northland marae which gave sanctuary to one of the two rogue sex workers who used fake papers to cross the Auckland boundary?  (What happened to them, by the way?) Or the mass flouting of restrictions in South Auckland. Your comments have a big sprinkling of bull dust, unfortunately. 

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Hey quick, go find some anecdotes from the news.

Oh wait, you already did.

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Lets not forget how some parts of the community were incentivised to get the jab.

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KFC...

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You don't understand how maraes work . They generally try to be open to all . There was plenty of dilemma for them trying to balance that with protecting their elderly and vulnerable. Still is at Tangi etc . They didn't necessarily want those people there.  

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tubthumping and bluster to save his job and making life more difficult for a few thousand teenagers is an inconsequence for him and anybody he knows.

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Yep Phase 1 beneficiary bashing. Phase 2 promise to get tough on crime. Phase 3 promise tax cuts. Phase 4 plan election victory speech. 

But don't look over here at the white collar crime, lobbyists, large corp tax evasion, monopolies etc etc (not that either party would know what to do or actually enact anything regarding useful when it comes to these issues). 

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Corporate welfare (including bailing out Air NZ multiple times), property speculator subsidies, investor bailouts, universal pension over 50% of our benefit budget....all good!

But it's those few folk at the bottom over there, hate them! Yeah, that's it! 

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No, just the vermin abusing welfare who choose not to work whilst being capable. Those who are dependent on KO for a house but decide to bring another child into the world without the financial means to provide essentials. They can go rot.

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Muldoon was talking the same nonsense fifty years ago.

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A Job Seeker 20-24 can get 309.73 gross per week plus another 70 for accommodation supplement and they could work 7.5 hours a week at minimum wage for another 160. Total gross 540 week 28 k per year. 

Why not say to any Job Seeker who has been unemployed more than 6 months. You can keep all of your main benefit 16 k per year. Work as much as you want. Full time minimum wage 44 k per year. No abatement for 12 months. But you need to work at least 12 months solid. You get 1/2 the benefit amount in the hand per week. The other half as a lump sum after 12 months. You can also get accomodation supplement in those 12 months as well. So you can gross 60 k per year . More if you want to work OT.

Then we will see who wants to work. 

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Have a read of Top's UBI...you're getting close.

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Watch as current full time minimum wage earners who have never been on a benefit quit, go on the dole for 6 months, and then reapply for a job.  

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I have no issue for my taxes to go towards super (as long as the person receiving it has worked in NZ themselves for at least 10 years), mental health or disability allowances, and  WFF. But if someone does'nt want to work as they can't be are**, then I respect their right, but also they should'nt expect my taxes to pay for that choice. 

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Wonder how many of these professional beneficiaries there are. Any idea of number? Seems like they're the main ones we hear a lot of complaining about but with little visibility of how many there actually might be.

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Youth unemployment is the result of poor educational outcomes. Surely an announcement on raising the standards in all schools would have been more of a vote winner than beneficiary bashing. As Tony Blair said (education, education, education). Charter schools would help some, raising standards in all schools would help everyone. 

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"Youth unemployment is the result of poor educational outcomes." Disagree. The problem is much too complex for a simplistic statement like that. Many kids are just average and quite a few less so. Out employment environment must be prepared to provide opportunities for them too. No every one can be a potential Einstein or go to Uni. Kids of all walks of life deserve an opportunity to have a job that pays decent wages, with decent working conditions. Many people don't learn what they are truly capable of until they hit the workforce. The neo liberal 'free market' work place has destroyed most of that. Luxon is correct that it needs to change. I doubt he has the courage or smarts to make it work though.

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Add add another factor. Minimum wage and health and safety.  Gone are the days when the young person could be paid what he's/she is worth - which is often b-all. 

So Jimmy can no longer be paid a few buck and hour to sweep the flour, make the tea and have the old fella let him have a crack on the tools/machines when it's quiet - and gain some skills and work ethic.

We have penalised the youth - making it illegal to employ them if they don't have high value skills.

Youth advocates should be taking a Human Rights case against mim wage.

 

 

 

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It was probably too simplistic but education is not just about kids going to university. 40% of kids in this country are functionally illiterate. Education is more than just academic, it should inspire kids and open their minds to a world of opportunities. Whether that is trades, university or entrepreneurship. 

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Alternatively, many of the places that used to employ teenagers and slightly older - as well as pensioners - now seem to have developed an over-reliance on cheap, controllable migrant labour.

Raising standards in all schools might be useful. Perhaps investing in them. Charter schools...seems too much like a charitable treatment of private businesses if they're not required to deliver to educational outcomes other schools are.

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I actually think Luxon's approach was *fairly* nuanced, appreciating that it was essentially red meat to the base - he certainly came across a lot better than Ardern's entirely evasive and combative pitch on RNZ this morning. Still not sure I'd vote for him though.

In general , there is a paucity of ideas from both main political wings. The time to be radical is now. Why not just bite the bullet and get on with;

1. UBI + whatever earning up to a $40k tax free threshold (CPI adjusted), some additional allowance made for dependent children added to the household threshold, ditch all other benefits and NZ super - transfers entrench welfarism, when a huge amount of well-being can be addressed by simply leaving money in peoples pockets rather than requiring them to go through byzantine and dehumanising processes to receive entitlements

2. CPI adjusted tax brackets, wider ones and more of them - top tax brackets no higher than company tax to disincentivise avoidance

3. Getting rid of additional supplements unless a person is incapable of work (mentally or physically) and requires additional support because of that

4. Tobin tax and wealth / land taxes introduced, reduce GST. Reintroduce gift / death duties - no dependent needs more than $2m gifted or inherited within their lifetime. Anything more is just embedding unearned wealth transfer and allowing an entrenched plutocracy to form.

5. Start smashing tax evaders to the full extent of the law, including strict elimination of transfer pricing for multi-nats; if you earn a dollar from NZ you pay tax in NZ

6. Massive disincentives for commodifying housing (taking a maximalist view, a 50% Stamp Duty on any housing transaction that not demonstrably for your primary residence?) and education (no more stealth taxes via Student Loans; ditch them completely).

That'll do more for people than any other tinkering and dog-whistling.

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Your policy ideas are better than those of our two major parties. You should lead National instead of Luxon.

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I've always wanted to say that the secret to my success was being born pakeha with a penis in the late 70s, and that anyone who wasn't should bloody well try harder.

Maybe I've missed my political calling!

 

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Death duties are bullshit, but if we set up a competent tax system, you wouldn't even need them. The Tobin tax is inherently inflationary, there's no getting around that. I feel like we're at the point where we need incentives to decommodify housing - I've written about a ZIRP product for owner-occupiers before, perhaps we could even comp losses into Kiwisaver accounts if they're selling at a negative position.

And if were mature enough to have a chat about WFFTC and the accomodation supplement, we could redesign almost everything. 

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"Death duties are bullshit, but if we set up a competent tax system, you wouldn't even need them."

Agreed. But until we have such a system that negates unearned wealth transitioning intergenerationally, then it should be taxed away when one shuffles off this mortal coil and go back to the commonwealth.

 

"The Tobin tax is inherently inflationary, there's no getting around that."

I'd say it's inherently regressive, but not necessarily inflationary (at least in a material sense).

Setting a TT @ 0.5% and massively reducing GST as an offset would seem sensible to me. At the end of the day, all taxes other than ones levied on land are passed on anyway, so it's just a matter of reducing the impact on lower earners, rather than the incidence. 

 

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"But until we have such a system that negates unearned wealth transitioning intergenerationally, then it should be taxed away when one shuffles off this mortal coil and go back to the commonwealth."

I'd rather have a system that gives people opportunities at the bottom than punitively taking from people in death.

Taking huge chunks of estates for the sake of propping the up the garbage tier levels of services we are expected to be happy with now (heaven forbid you question whether we get value for money for our ever-increasing personal tax rates via the stealth of inflation) is going to be a hard sell. Articulate a clear vision for what we would fund, set up a decent tax system that doesn't shy away from tough calls and you might find you're not having to wait for people to die because the up-front work on the tax system was in the too-hard basket. 

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100% agree with your comment overall - setup the tax system well in the first place, then you should be able to tax pervasively, transparently and equitably without need to resort to and end-of-life grab.

I wouldn't consider death duties (you can't logically be punitive towards a deceased taxpayer, only towards the beneficiary) and giving better opportunities to people at the bottom mutually exclusive though.

I'd go so far as to suggest that within the neo-liberal agenda that still sets the tone for political discourse in this country, they're rather tightly connected in a 'pull the ladder up' kind of way.

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I wouldn't either. But I know one is much easier for the current idiots to go for, without the wholesale reform you should do at the same time, so there's a high chance we'll get the death duties and the garbage tier outcomes (at least the ones that still get measured, if there's many of those left). 

Remember, the low low bar is that we have a tax system where a basic rates review hasn't happened in a decade and the Finance Minister scoffs at the idea of not taxing the inflation component of people's earnings. So it is already fairly antagonistic by design. I wouldn't trust them to suddenly come up with a welfare system and tax system that isn't similarly compromised. 

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Dreadfully sad, but very true.

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"with sufficient resources to hire their own coaches, then the party’s social investment policies just might succeed."

Sounds like a bottomless pit for money to flow out with a high probability of no results

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I'm ok with the intent. Getting people off youtube and working is good for everyone, employers and workers alike.

The real issues if that the low cost wage base on many a cleaning or farm tax job don't pay enough to live in NZ mainly due to the costs of rent, so why try.  Last nights Sunday program highlighted a Student in Auckland, and her allowance of $330 per week being not enough. I did a quick calc, she is getting quite a bit more than 1990 inflation adjusted equivalent student loan. The real issue is she is paying $250 p/w in rent for a damp moldy rot box, being approx three times student flat inflation adjusted rent from 1990.

This the 6000 pound gorilla. Anyone pitching shooting it with a speculation reset in next years election is getting my vote.

 

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That's the real issue, cost of housing.  Might need a societal mindset shift.  At the moment, people go on about "Landlords costs this, Landlords costs that" particularly around the deduction of mortgage interest costs because they chose to borrow to the max.  

What about the young renting family that is forgoing the equivalent of a full weeks wages just in rent?  And need payments such as WFF just so they can feed their children.  People are quick to bash WFF and families that aren't net tax payers, and on the same token quick to jump to the defense of Landlords.  

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Rent controls. I've developed a formula. It would do the trick. Can't seem to make progress on it however. Not surprised - too radically sensible.

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Lots (apparently) of young people having their benefits cut off. hmm, that should do wonders for theft rates.  

And then somebody has to employ them , I don't know how they distinguish who is employable or not ? Some are definetly not. 

Norm Kirk had the right idea with the Ohu's in the early 70's.  some people just don't fit in to normal employment. They can be good hard workers , they just can't turn up 9 to 5 regularly, or some other normal requirement they can't or don't want to handle. There needs to be alternative programs for them , and they need the security of the benefit as well. 

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I'm sorry Chris, but you did say for them to "become their own bosses"?  Isn't that against every socialist ideal that good socialists believe in?

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Actually, it's kinda the very definition of socialist - worker ownership of the productive sectors of the economy.

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Isn't the definition of socialism that the means of production are owned by the “community”, by the dominance of social ownership as opposed to private ownership, which in theory is what it is if everyone has their own business?

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Depends on which flavour of socialism really.

It's a broad church stretching from Fabian socialists (state influence of the "commanding heights" of the economy as a democratic principle, private property all good) to Communism (command economy, social / worker ownership of the means of production). 

If we're talking just about labour though, being your own boss is very socialist!

 

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Hey, if making them their own bosses is such a great idea, then why are Labour not doing it?

Because:

"Sadly, however, Labour's policy-makers lack the courage to trust the poor to take charge of their own destiny."

 

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Actually it is already possible for a beneficiary to start their own business through winz with the $10,000 grant less GST. You can use the grant to buy stuff you need and the rest is paid on a weekly basis at an amount you ask for till the $10,000 is used up. All you have to do is come up with a business plan and do a business course which winz sends you to. It has been around since the mid 90's. I know it exists because I used it when I got made redundant in 1999/2000. It is still in existence see the link below..

https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/business-traini….

it appears the grant has been reduced to $5,000 probably by the Nats last time they were in Govt.

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