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Prodded by the issues raised by Oded Galor in his new book 'The Journey of Humanity: The Origins of Wealth and Inequality', Tim Hazledine takes a broad look at why we are rich, and why it has all been triggered so relatively recently - and inconsistently

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Prodded by the issues raised by Oded Galor in his new book 'The Journey of Humanity: The Origins of Wealth and Inequality', Tim Hazledine takes a broad look at why we are rich, and why it has all been triggered so relatively recently - and inconsistently
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By Tim Hazledine*

One day in the early 1980s, the famous economist Robert E. Lucas sat at his desk in his University of Chicago office, looking out the window. He had a problem. In fact, he had two problems: his marriage was breaking up, and he didn’t know what he was going to think about next, with respect to economic matters.

Along with his more flamboyant colleague Milton Friedman, Lucas had disposed of Keynesian macroeconomics, at least to his and Milton’s satisfaction. Lucas himself had come up with one of the most fiendishly clever theorems in the history of economics – what became known as ‘The Lucas Policy Critique’.

The gist of this can be expressed as the maxim; “You may look, but do not touch.” That is, you can study how the economy works, but if you try to use what you find out to devise policies to make it work better – well, you are doomed to suffer a nasty shock: people will change their behaviour in order to subvert your well-meaning interventions.

Thus, the Chicago ‘monetarists’ believed that a quarter century of Keynesian policies aimed at keeping unemployment below its ‘natural’ rate for long periods of time, had had the unforeseen but inevitable side effect of pushing up inflation, as people lost their racial memory of price and wage increases always leading to corrective slumps and unemployment.

They had a point here, though monetarism itself has not fared well historically since the 1990s. Nevertheless, Bob Lucas’s intellectual achievements were secure, and he can have had few worries about being awarded the Nobel Prize, as indeed he was, in 1995.

(A sidebar: Lucas and his wife agreed in their divorce settlement that, should he win the Prize within ten years from the settlement, then the money -- about a million dollars --would be split equally between them. If after ten years; Lucas could keep it all. 1995 was the last of the ten years. A reporter was crass enough to ask Lucas if he was sorry his Prize hadn’t been delayed for one year. He just shrugged, and said: “A deal is a deal”.)

Anyway, here was Bob Lucas, looking out the window at the Autumn leaves falling from the trees on the Chicago campus, still only in his forties, and wondering what new problem his formidable brain would next grapple with. And he had an epiphany. He suddenly realised that the battle between Keynesians and Monetarists was really just of second-order importance, compared with the amazing fact of the immense wealth of the US, and about twenty other developed economies; this in stark comparison with the impoverishment of the other two hundred or so nations on earth.

For example, per capita income levels in the United States in 1983 were about seventeen times their value in China, and 27 times the level in India. Robert Lucas was stunned. How? Why? He said: “The consequences for human welfare involved in questions like these are simply staggering. Once one starts to think about them, it is hard to think about anything else.”

So Lucas did start to think about those striking differences in the Wealth of Nations, and the upshot was a 1988 paper; ‘On the mechanics of economic development’.

It is fair to say, I think, that this paper is a huge disappointment. Lucas did produce a mathematical model which was broadly consistent (as are other models) with the bare facts of recent economic growth in an already rich country, the United States. But it could not answer, as he admitted, the really big questions: how did the US and a few other countries get rich in the first place (ie, during the 19th Century ‘industrial revolution’), and why hadn’t the secret of economic success been propagated more widely around the world in the 20th Century?

Rather sadly, Lucas admits, in acknowledging the people who came to his speeches and seminars, that it is a topic ‘about which he obviously knows very little’. The paper is not mentioned in the citation for his Nobel Prize, and nor in his speech of acceptance.

This is discouraging. If a Big Brain like Robert Lucas, whom many economists -- including Keynesians such as me -- would rate as our smartest living economist (along with Joe Stiglitz and Bob Solow), can’t unpick the development puzzle—well, what chance anyone else?

But there is indeed hope, coming from two quarters.

The first is the march of History itself. Has the world changed in the nearly forty years since Bob Lucas started to think about it? Of course it has; in particular with the astounding success of China, and to a lesser extent India. Even though per capita real incomes in the U.S, nearly doubled from 1983 to the last pre-Covid year, 2019, incomes in China and India grew much faster, such that the income differential ratio dropped to about nine for US/India, and to just 4.4, US/China.

Looking at it from a slightly different perspective, if we can believe these figures, per capita incomes in China by 2019 just about matched per capita incomes in New Zealand in 1960, when we were, indeed, a prosperous developed economy.

So can we say that the ‘staggering’ income differentials across countries that kept Lucas awake are by now well on the way to disappearing, even with no assistance from American economists (Monetarist or Keynesian)? Not quite: China may still get stuck in the ‘middle income trap’, from which no large country has escaped since Taiwan and South Korea in the 1980s. And swathes of whole continents (Africa, Latin America) are stagnating or even slipping back, economically.

Thus it is still worth trying to solve the puzzle of how countries like ours got so rich, and indeed how China itself has done so well, at, for example, pulling around 800 million of its people out of extreme poverty over the past forty years.

Well, this where the second source of hope comes in. Let’s do some lateral thinking here. It’s no use being really clever if your theory is utterly wrong. One of the cleverest people who ever lived -- cleverer than the cleverest economist – was Isaac Newton. Newton did great things for mathematics and physics, but then he wasted years in a fruitless quest for the ‘philosopher’s stone’ – the formula that would turn lead into gold. He failed at this because he had the wrong theory; the wrong model of the composition of the elements.

Could Robert Lucas -- and mainstream American economists more generally -- simply have the wrong theory about how the economy develops and functions?

This is where Oded Galor and his book The Journey of Humanity: The Origins of Wealth and Inequality comes in. Galor, an Israeli who teaches at Brown University on Rhode Island, has himself impressive mathematical modelling chops. But here he chooses not to use them. He eschews austere algebraic formulae and goes to the other extreme , with an incredibly wide-ranging and detailed historical and even anthropological examination of the myriad factors that have brought success and failure to nations and peoples.

How detailed? We learn why human babies at birth are so backward compared with the babies of all other animals; why moths changed their colour from light to dark; why Fats Domino -- the late New Orleans piano player and vocalist – is important; and many, many other fascinating miscellanea.

But all the detail is in the service of dealing with those huge questions that dominate Western economic history, and which refused to yield to Robert Lucas’s orthodox economic theories. There are actually four big questions: Why were we so poor for centuries? Why are we so rich now? And why was little England, with a population two hundred years ago not much larger than present day New Zealand’s, the first country to make the leap from stagnation to prosperity, establishing the path that all other successful countries would follow? Oh, and the fourth question: what hope for today’s laggards – does Galor have the secret sauce for success that eluded Robert Lucas?

So, first: why so poor for so long? Blame the Malthusian Trap: the inexorable pressure of growing population on what was then the only important fixed resource: land. Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), a country parson of kindly and cheerful disposition, yet earned economics the everlasting moniker of the ‘dismal science’ by spotting a relentless cycle: unrestrained population growth led to pressure on the land’s ability to feed everyone, provoking cataclysm: war or pestilence or famine decimating the population, which took pressure off the land, which then again boosted fertility until the whole sorry saga repeated itself.

There are indeed many examples in history. The ‘Black Death’ bubonic pandemic from 1347 to 1352 killed about 40 percent of the population of Europe, but the survivors did very well out of it: wages doubled as the available land per person doubled. But then as a result of their improved living standards, birth rates rose and death rates from other sources (such as maternal deaths in childbirth) fell, and real wages got squeezed yet again.

So the world was stuck, for millennia, with no long-term improvement in material well-being. If anything, there was a decline. In the good old days of ‘hunter/gatherer’ societies -- that is, before population pressure forced humans to invent agriculture -- small, egalitarian tribes were able to source a rich, healthy diet from just a few hours exciting or pleasant ‘work’ each day, harvesting fauna and flora in the wild, and could spend the rest of their time singing songs and telling stories or whatever people did to amuse themselves before TV and the Internet.

Nowadays, only the very wealthy could afford such a life-style, and most of these choose not to, being workaholics. But, we most definitely have escaped the Malthusian Trap, and can easily answer the second big question – why are we (in New Zealand, etc) so rich now? – just by looking around us. We have learned to apply chemical and mechanical science to harness the productive potential of, first, coal, then oil and other sources of power and light. What is now called the Industrial Revolution took most of the nineteenth century to come to full fruition, but this is just a blink of an eye in our species’ long history.

And something now called the ‘demographic transition’ finally broke the dreaded feedback link that had always seized any shred of material progress and turned it into more mouths to feed. The birth rate dropped in the second half of the nineteenth century as infant mortality rates finally declined and so the insurance motive for producing babies receded. And women chose to delay and reduce having children as their time became more valuable in other pursuits. Indeed, in most rich countries now fertility is, or will be, below the replacement rate – population will eventually decline, and not a moment too soon, from the perspective of environmental damage and climate change.

Of course, there is a lot more to be said about the Industrial Revolution than this, and Galor spends much of his book saying it, in the context of his own ‘unified growth theory’. I thought it prudent to source other views, and found to my surprise that, as one leading scholar, Gregory Clark, puts it: “Explaining the Industrial Revolution is [still] the ultimate elusive prize in economic history”, with particular controversy surrounding my third question: why England first?

To risk flippancy, it rather seems to me that the path to fame in this field of scholarship is to write a big book criticising the authors of all the other big books. Some claim England’s plentiful cheap coal gave it primacy: others point out that it would take a full century before the steam engines powered by coal had their full impact on productivity. Some believe that lower wages in France than England meant less incentive to mechanise: others do their sums and pronounce the new technologies to be profitable even with very cheap labour. Galor himself seems to place reliance on ‘human capital’ -- investments in the literacy and numeracy of the workforce. But writing and arithmetic were around centuries before the Industrial Revolution – it was just a question of how widely they are disseminated. It seems at least reasonable to propose that literacy etc followed the Revolution rather than caused it.

Still, the human capital angle always has a lot of appeal (and to Robert Lucas, indeed). The essence of Oded Galor’s theory is summed up by a charming illustration in his book: a 1921 advertisement for Case farm tractors, addressed to the farmer: ‘Keep the boy in school,’ rather than divert him to helping you bring in the harvest, with horses.

Keep the boy in school – and let a Case Kerosene Tractor take his place in the field. You’ll never regret either investment.

A big shock for me was the evident neglect throughout this literature of the great founder of Economics, Adam Smith (just one quick cite in Galor, for example). Smith (1723-90) actually predates – and didn’t predict – the Industrial Revolution. His preferred engine of prosperity -- the division of labour -- requires a social, political and cultural, rather than technological revolution. The ‘Enlightenment’ of which Adam Smith was the main prophet would be a moral upheaval in the willingness of citizens to trust each other -- the essential requirement for realising the productive power of the division of labour into myriad tasks involving dealings between strangers.

The spirit, at least, of Smith is present in ‘idealist’ views of the genesis of the Industrial Revolution (Joel Mokyr; Deirdre McCloskey), which are well respected by Galor; in particular through the lens of Daron Acemoglu and James Robinson’s emphasis on ‘extractive’ (bad for growth) and ‘inclusive’ (good for growth) political institutions. The latters’ best-selling book Why Nations Fail: The origins of power, prosperity and poverty (2012) is a terrific read, and at least as approachable to the layperson as is Galor’s own treatise.

Culture and formal and informal ‘institutions’ can explain a lot, including the fourth big puzzle: why so many countries struggle to develop economically (and why Robert Lucas, with his institution-free belief in the universality of American production technology, failed to understand this).

But, the bad news is that there may be not a lot that can be done about it, at least in a democratic society for which the forced industrialisation of China (and Singapore) is politically infeasible. Some of those key institutions for prosperity are deep-seated indeed: favourable climate; constitutional monarchy; common law system; being protestant Christian (or Jewish); even having a language which preserves the personal pronoun – apparently a mark of respect for individuals not found in collectivist religions and cultures. For sure, the neoliberal recipe of pro-monopoly laissez-faire doesn’t get the job done.

Robert E. Lucas was right: it is hard to think of anything else – apart from Covid and climate change – when those vast international disparities are brought forward. So we need to carry on thinking, with Oded Galor’s lively and learned book surely at least helpful in the quest.


Tim Hazledine is Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland.

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Here is my theory. Well worth a Nobel prize I would think. Don't tell my wife.

In prosperous Western societies the common people have a closer connection with the ruling elites. The elite are sensible, forward thinking and stylish and possess some affection for the common people too.

It starts with a mutual affection between the ruling elites and the common people.
A long history of this in England (also Greece and Rome) however when industrialization came successful industrialists, new elites, were able to indulge in philanthropy focusing first on their own workers. This was a win-win as it improved the health and morals of their workers making them better workers. Henry Ford is a great example although there were many fine British industrialists and philanthropists.

The decline in strong religious beliefs and the willingness to think about how the world works in a rational way. This led to people like Darwin whose mind blowing discovery changed the world forever. The acceptance of his theory cemented the understanding that improving the world and expanding human consciousness was entirely in our own hands. Added to the ruling elites were people like Darwin, scientists, engineers and explorers, These were the new gods of the common people.

Democracy and advancing communication technology like radio, TV, magazines and movies spread the culture. Yes the culture was materialistic but common people who were now earning more wanted to emulate the ruling elites. Mass production made this possible. Nicer clothes, better food, better hygiene, housing, owning a car, jet travel, holiday homes and so on and on.

Fortunately the ruling elites were worth emulating unlike in some other parts of the world where they were practically a different species and held little regard even contempt for the common people and lived in a nonsense world of their own imagination thinking they were actual gods. Idiots really.

We love our rulers and they love us. This is enhanced in the modern technological and democratic age. Now anyone can be an influencer and get a following and shape culture and style and expand human consciousness.

However all is not smelling of roses. Spengler in his short book, Man and Technics, warned us that our progress would be copied by cultures that do not have our fortuitous history. Cultures that are ruled by less sensible people. Cultures that are less individualistic yet able to replicate our mass production and engage in economic and actual warfare to destroy the West. Our own materialism and individualism which is a great way to live may make us vulnerable and incapable of resisting the onslaught.

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Were you meant to include a sarc tag?

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I'd put my money on the Reformation not Darwin.

The richest countries have generally been Christian countries with legal systems based on Judeo-Christian ethics.

The author of this article writes:
"One of the cleverest people who ever lived -- cleverer than the cleverest economist – was Isaac Newton".

I'll see your Darwin and raise you the profoundly Christian.. Isaac Newton 

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Logged in just to upvote you - surprised there isn't more engagement about your theory.

Spengler's 'other' book, the brick-like 'Decline of the West' is even more prescient. His coining of the term 'Faustian' to describe the character of modern Western civilisation and exploration in later chapters of the seemingly unstoppable ascent of a peculiarly Western 'abstract money power' in particular. 

Spot-on as regards the relationship between the 'elites' and the common people or 'lumpenproleteriat' as we seem to them these days. There is an increasing contempt here which is most visible in Europe with the likes of unelected technocrats and the US' nepotism buttressed by unholy alliances with special interest groups and the fourth estate. We get it NZ too, albeit with rounded edges - a government and bureaucratic class which by all indications thinks its citizen paymasters are children and proceeds to treat them as such.

There is also a hidden link between the wholesale decline of religion and the ascension of personality and ideological cults (materialism!) - displaced emotional investment always finds other channels.

Other commenters mention that empire and slavery figure heavily in the differences between the 'wealth of nations'. Spengler also ties the Faustian civilisation with a symbolic counterpart of limitless space. This idea might be another avenue for exploration; there is an insatiability which has seen conquest on all corners of the Earth, the frontier of space being conquered, and a breakneck pace of innovation - technical, medical, economic, social...restlessness must surely figure into the equation somewhere.

It began with the Renaissance and ends with Les Mills.

 

 

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Thanks Hangi Matangi, it's good to know that I am not alone.

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Thanks Tim, couple of books there to dig out and read.

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Another fascinating Interest.co.nz article but the sidebar will stay in my memory when the rest is forgotten.  I can remember when my sister and husband divorced, they argued about who had bought specific CDs but they never mentioned potential Nobel prizes.

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Unless I missed it there was no mention of the exploitation of other countries. Britain and America got rich off the back of slavery and colonisation. To a degree, so did NewZealand. Once you run out of places to exploit it becomes harder to stay wealthy unless you are rich in natural resources. There is also no mention of income inequality, America may be classed as rich at a country level, but there is no shortage of very poor Americans.

Africa was left in ruins by European colonisation and still hasn’t recovered. India only gained independence in 1947. It wasn’t climate or religion that stopped these countries developing, it was being subjugated by the Countries that are being held up as shining examples of success.

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It would be part of the puzzle but that doesn't explain Korea, Taiwan, post war Japan and Germany or Singapore though.  And forms of slavery existed in poor countries too, including our own, prior to its colonisation.

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Can't they be explained by their piggy backing off the US's back for geopolitical reasons?

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Oh nice one, compare slavery in uncolonized societies to that in west where people were uprooted from their homes, stacked in sailing ships to the America's, some made it, some didn't, then to be bought and sold, abused and killed. Slavery HAS indeed existed forever but really, nothing much like it a relatively modern world, having to dehumanize the people they enslaved in order to do it without conscience. Don't even try.

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You describe the trade of African slaves from West Africa to the Americas. There was a longer slave trade from East Africa to Arabia (abolished in Zanzibar in 1897 after bullying by the British).  Less is remembered about this because the male slaves were castrated.

Slavery invariably meant being uprooted otherwise rebellion is too easy. As Satchmo sings 'When Israel was in Egypt land - let my people go'.  It would also apply to slaves taken when Māori tribes were fighting.  It doesn't take the width of an ocean to uproot a person.  BTW at least Māori didn't sell their slaves nor consider children of slaves as slaves and of course escape is easier if your appearance is not distinctive.

The modern slavery index website is still about people who are uprooted.

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Jesus Christ. The Arabs were at it long before the "evil west" that actually abolished it. Broaden your knowledge of history.

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Please do not try to excuse what was done in the Americas. Two (or more) wrongs have never made a right. They also called themselves "Christian" which would have meant this should have been abhorrent. But no, easy solve, just pretend some people weren't people. Its after effects are still felt to this day, and they should not be

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Bad things happened in history by today's standards. Everywhere.

The white man bad trope is very tired.

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It's not just white men, however in your case, it just might be.

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Generally speaking it was the white man that was the first to stop slavery etc.  Pre colonisation in NZ slaves were kept as a kind of livestock, to be killed and eaten during special events.

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 The Atlantic slave trade took people from Africa to grow sugar cane and cotton on land stolen from the native people of the Caribbean and America. The English exploited resources from two continents (humans and land) and made themselves richer as a result. Maori slavery was in no way comparable, slavery in itself does not produce wealth but it can in certain contexts. 

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A closer look will show that emancipation leads to increased wealth not slavery, that's a historical fact.  People get richer when they have more freedom to act.

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Noone is trying to excuse it, the debate is whether is was the cause of western prosperity. The fact that it was widespread elsewhere suggests it wasn't.

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Of course it was not THE cause, but it certainly was one cause

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Wrong, the first countries to outlaw slavery are now the richest, it makes more sense to say that banning slavery was one of the causes.

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All that pioneering and colonisation came at a great cost. It's questionable whether it was even profitable for the home countries. The Scandinavian countries and Germany achieved great success simply by emulating the Anglosphere. Although Germany did have some colonies, erroneously believing it was responsible for Britain's success. They later realized it was Britain's epic style, science and rational thinking that got them where they were. Victorian Britain was the height of British awesomeness. Germany then did a little too well at science and technology and was perceived as a dangerous competitor by Britain whose sun was setting. They were deliberately brought down by the First World War. An absolute disaster for the Western World.

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I understand that by the time NZ was being colonised, the UK was not keen to add to the Empire as it was becoming too costly, but the early part of empire building did bring huge wealth for parts of UK society. Bristol and Liverpool owed much of their wealth to the slave trade. The industrial revolution was started on the back of slave picked cotton sent to Manchester Cotton mills. It is an uncomfortable fact that Britain and America are wealthy and well educated because they exploited other Countries. They are not richer because they are Christian and have a nicer climate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zc92xnb/revision/4

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The British acquired quite a lot of wealth by raiding the Spanish treasure fleets coming back from the New World too.

While slaves appeared to be economically viable the wealth would still have been generated without them. Central and South America had a lot of slaves but didn't seem to bring them a great deal of wealth. All countries exploited there own people and country folk, the vast majority of workers were practically slaves and city workers were not much better off. 

Remember too that the British were like the first to realise that slavery is a bad idea and banned it. They also started to have much better treaties with First peoples like the Maori. The American revolution was started because the British wanted to protect First Peoples lands and rights and sought to limit colonial expansion westward. American pioneers weren't happy with that.

I think modern wealth is the result of something else as i explain above. Slavery and exploitation is just incidental. After all Spain and Portugal were quite impoverished in the early 20th century and they were big on exploitation. The Scandinavian countries werer poor too, ridiculously poor so it doesn't seem to be genetic. What really set off the modern high living standards was Victorian Britain following rational scientific principles and good leadership that was the stuff of legend. Basically a higher level of consciousness due to emerging from a fortuitous historical stream. The puzzle pieces all came together. Germany looked at it and it dawned on them they could do it even better, so much better they could rule the world! The rest is history...

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 What really set off the modern high living standards was Victorian Britain following rational scientific principles and good leadership that was the stuff of legend

now imagine that happening without them burning through their (and others') coal reserves...

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Absolutely correct. Britain's wealth was based on coal; before the industrial revolution it was a major export. The efficient steam engine and the railways was the result of many decades attempting to pump water out of coal mines and moving the coal to ports. The steam engine is a much cheaper source of work than man-power so slavery, serfdom and indebted labour were no longer needed.

Coal is a finite resource but there is plenty left - note even today China is building numerous coal fired power stations.

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It depends on your source. I've read reviews of serious history books that claimed Britain put more money into India than it took out but that balance depends entirely on whether you believe the Indian army was a benefit for India or a benefit for Britain.

I've also read that the Caribbean slave produced cotton produced 3% of Britain's economic activity.

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Damn I want your kool-aid or whatever else it is you're on.

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Victorian Britain wasn't awesome for most of the urban population, overcrowded housing, low pay, child labour, death penalty for theft, polluted air and rivers. It was awesome if you owned the means of production and lived in nice Country Estate. If wealth was purely down to science and rational thinking why aren't the Italians and Greeks the richest in the world. Romans in Britain had underfloor heating whilst the British lived in huts made of sticks and cow poo. The Greeks invented democracy and also an analogue computer (Antikythera mechanism) in 100BC. 

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Morality rates were similar for Lancashire mill towns and the Caribbean slaves producing their cotton (about 17).

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Slavery was around for thousands of years before the industrial revolution. Likewise oil and coal. 

Cultural features seem to be the only logical explanation. Likely in conjunction with other fortuitous circumstances.

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of course coal and oil were around, but the technology to exploit (or find) it in huge quantities easily didn't happen until the early 1800s with developments in mining technology. That took off in Britain first...

again, imagine Britain if they hadn't had access to that coal...

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Why was it Britain that discovered it?

The cultural conditions at the time must have been conducive to innovating.

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According to Spengler it was Western Man's limitless metaphysic, his unrestricted thirst for knowledge, and his constant confrontation with the Infinite.

They realised the World wasn't created it was evolving.

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certainly. Although I'm not sure "cultural" is the right term. That has other connotations... I think it was the underlying philosophies (as someone already said, logic and science after the rennaisance) that allowed them to harness the resource.

But to me it still comes back to, you can be as smart as you like, but if you ain't got the energy you ain't gonna get anything done.  

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Rubbish. They are all corrupt and that is their problem. Without rule of law no money is ever invested to aid development.

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America became richer after abolition of slavery. Russia after the abolition of serfdom.

Colonisation costs money - look at Europe and the wealth of each country compared to its colonies - Spain and Portugal with the earliest and biggest colonies were the poorest European countries. Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark are wealthy but had no colonies. The apparent exception is Britain - they started the industrial revolution and were easily the wealthiest country with the most exports so they could afford colonies but still the decline in Britain's economic power coincides with the expansion of colonies in Africa and taking India over from the East India company. 

There were countries that were not part of a European empire during the 19th and 20th centuries - Haiti, Liberia, Burma, Thailand, Iran, China, Turkey so they were not ruined by European colonisation yet are not shining examples of the benefits of independence.

Your are correct about NZ - it became wealthier.  If you consider the Cook Islands as a colony of NZ are they making you and I wealthier?

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I'm sure PDK will be along shortly to point out that most of the answer is access to energy, whether that comes from slave labour, coal, oil or gas

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And he'd probably be closer to the truth

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All countries have access to oil at the same price mostly. The failure of countries to lift themselves out is rather more simple I reckon.

Having been to countries that are poor, it becomes immediately obvious that corruption is what holds them all back. If there is no rule of law, then how can you be sure that if you invest money, that you will ever get it back. Without investment nothing ever develops.

 

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"All countries have access to oil at the same price mostly."

Today (sort of).... but Im sure you are aware of early adopter advantage. 

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why are they corrupt? if the rule of law is so beneficial why haven't they adopted it?

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Generally low levels of consciousness, a result of poor education, irrationality, poverty and limited horizons.

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Calling BS on most of that, the most obvious thing that sticks out is that these countries have no balance in their leadership, they are well and truly patriarchies.

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Perhaps corruption is nurtured by the successful 'democracies' that rely on exploitation.

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Judging by PNG the opposite.

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In countries such as Russia and also in Ukraine it was the absence of rule of law institutions that led to the rise of the oligarchs. So the elites made their wealth because of a lack of rule of law but then chose to  invest that wealth in countries where there is 'rule of law' that protects that wealth.
KeithW

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In those countries with rule of law it could easily be suggested the ruling "elite" wrote the rules to advance their own wealth. The result is the same. 

What's funny though, is in the West it's the wet dream to be a wealthy elite but in the same breath oligarchs are bad. 

There's a mirror there and it's only the label that differs. 

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The ruling elite used to comprise socialist parties full of workers.  Now our socialist parties are mainly middle class graduates, journalists and academics.  Therefore our rules now protect wealth and hinder class mobility whereas it used to be the opposite.  Specifically both the UK and NZ in the past had policies designed to breakup large land holdings whereas it is much the opposite today with land banking a road to riches.  Targeted welfare benefits were designed to stop taxpayers giving money to the wealthy but they also tend to keep the beneficiaries in their place. 

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Kiwis should be terrified by the Labour wanting to water down our british common law system with iwi tribal nonsense.

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Doing the right thing can be scary, but it doesn't stop it being the right thing.

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It is essential that we have a rational approach. Expecting nonsense to be better would be a disaster. 

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Your superiority complex is showing again and it ain't pretty 

Remember who/what has delivered climate change and ever increasing 'natural disasters', it's not as you describe it - 'nonsense'. 

 

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Aren't you also claiming something is superior? Your motivation is simply driven by bitterness. I understand, it's sad, but you can work on getting to a better place. 

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Oh for crying out loud. 

I am not claiming anything in particular is superior, just that you think you and your world view is.  It isn't

I am far too old for bitterness, other than for this 'my way or the highway world view' and once well probably held somewhat similar views of other cultures that you do, but I did some work on myself and have been able see how the cultures, experiences and attitudes can and indeed should take their rightful place, especially where they have originated.

Climate change is an immediate, existential thing. not caused by less acquisitive cultures.

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I think you need to do more work. There is nothing special about having "originated" somewhere. I think we can do more to be sensitive about other people's feelings. Try to understand their "lived experience' but handing over power is going a bit too far and would be perilous. We have done so well with what we have been given as the independent surveys, common sense and observation makes so abundantly clear.

We need to work on raising people's level of consciousness as individuals, as responsible global citizens. No one wants to be trapped in a narrow tribalistic box.

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What part of 'shared' do you not understand, I'll help, it does NOT mean handing over, ok,, and get rid of the word 'power' and you might just begin to have some understanding. 

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Things shouldn't be allocated based on race or origins. It's wrong.

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As per the treaty absolutely it must be, but you seem unable to understand this. It is RIGHT! It should have been that way once the treaty was signed.

And do not even try to say it was a long time ago, so was the time when the American constitution was written and they cling to that. 

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Cling but change it to be more democratic: ""The Fourteenth Amendment is an amendment to the United States Constitution that was adopted in 1868. It granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and enslaved people who had been emancipated after the American Civil War.""  What does the treaty say about women's rights? 

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Pocketaces.  You misunderstand what the treaty established.  

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Perhaps you do, there does seem to be more than one version

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ROFL. The right thing is British common law not primitive tribal justice.

 

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Oh good grief, you do not know how arrogant you sound

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The 'right thing' is to maintain and build democracy.  One person one vote, secret ballot and no gerrymandering. 

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You could do with some knowledge of something known as 'the tyranny of the majority'. 

There truly is some horrible sentiment appearing here

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So treating everyone as equals regardless of where they come from is a "horrible sentiment".

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I am not even going to try to address that, as it is obvious you have zero capacity to understand. 

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Fair enough.

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Come on, this is interest not reddit. Let’s debate on facts and figures. There is nothing anti white about acknowledging that some western countries benefitted from the exploitation of other countries and peoples. For example, until the 1860s Maori we’re the main farmers and growers in NZ, they also owned flax mills and ran the coastal shipping. Their poverty is not due to a lack of western science, climate or religion it is due to the loss of the means of production. Read some history.

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So pocketaces, are you advocating the 'tyranny' of a minority elite?

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This is getting to be like pulling teeth. I am advocating no tyranny at all, why is the world so black and white to so many of you? It's like some people seem totally incapable of stretching their brains to consider there are other ways to do things. 

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"Some of those key institutions for prosperity are deep-seated indeed: favourable climate; constitutional monarchy; common law system; being protestant Christian (or Jewish);"

The writer of the above sentence seems to want to believe that the wealth of the west is down to being a certain religion and political system. This does not hold up to any scrutiny.

On a per Capita GDP basis Ireland are 5th and USA are 12th. Ireland is Catholic. Taiwan and Korea are not Christian. Qatar seems rather wealthy and they do have constitutional Monarchy but are Islamic and have a less than favourable climate.

 

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The American influence in Taiwan and South Korea is strong, along with Japan. It seems likely that American values and influence have worked quite well for them.

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By American values and influence do you mean 'the work ethic'? If so that does vary from culture to culture.  Hunter gatherers accept luck and are more likely to share than farming societies and city dwellers. You only have to watch Chinese or Korean dramas to see the continual promotion of the work ethic.

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Interesting set of prosperity keys.

Favourable climate - replace favourable with 'crappy'; consider Glasgow and most of the successful East Asian cities.

Constitutional Monarchy - it does have a very slight effect at moderating the madness that absolute power causes. With a constitutional monarchy Putin might have been less rash?

Common law - this is critical; common law adapts to society (for example the splitting of assets at a divorce in the UK has changed during my lifetime). The most important feature of law is that it is obeyed so it is critical that the law is generally accepted by the overwhelming majority of the public.

Protestant or Jewish - this is shorthand for literacy.  Scottish Protestantism insists that the Bible is God's word and no one can come between you and God (i.e. anti-Catholic means anti-Priests). In the 16th century Scotland had universal education (1830 in England) and they had four universities while England had two. The industrial revolution had strong Scottish roots.

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Singautim I believe you are largely correct in your point add in fertile soil and a cohesive political system . Tribal systems lack the cohesion to form nation states generally and while successful regionally seldom progress beyond that .

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Thanks, you have a good point - prosperity is helped by a dense population - your fertile soils and I'd add access to the ocean for access to a wide range of resources and also foreign ideas.  Exceptions being the Mayan and Inca civilisations?

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This is big theory stuff, the main historical drivers. There will always be exceptions in these narratives but from what I've read strong  institutions are the key to prosperity and they have common characteristics. Also to note institutions do not need to be formal organisations, the organisations are the bureaucratic form those institutions take. Sometimes organisations do not live up to the institutions they embody, in these cases the organisations need to be reformed and if not they can undermine the strength of the institution over time. This is why it is so important to fight leaders with autocratic tendencies in a democracy, once they infiltrate the system's organisations they tend to erode the values and principles of the whole democratic institutional framework. We can see this happening in the US. 

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“Explaining the Industrial Revolution is [still] the ultimate elusive prize in economic history”, with particular controversy surrounding my third question: why England first?

Boulton and Watts improvements to the steam engine made it commercially viable to power industry with coal. The other foundational technologies and resources where present across Europe.

Then we bootstrapped society up by prodigiously exploiting the abundant fossil resources of earth until the mid-1970s when that ran into growth constraints and since then we've worked predominantly on thermal efficiency improvements. In reality renewables satiate only a very tiny fraction of societies overall energy consumption.

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A significant technical advance bestowing economic rewards - it has to happen somewhere and for the industrial revolution it was Britain.  Consider other equivalent technical revolutions: electricity, airplanes, internet - both developed where there was the spare money and time and those three just roll on into the west's industrial revolution.  The next revolution may be nuclear fusion which could evolve in almost any country with decent university research labs (so Australia or Singapore but not New Zealand?) - one country will suddenly have limitless electrical power which it can convert into limitless almost free hydrogen which would then kill all fossil fuels overnight. 

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I cannot believe that I got through this article without a reference to the serious academic work done in this space - i.e. the papers and books written by eminent anthropologists like Jason Hickel and David Graeber who have dedicated decades of study to inequality (and have not been brainwashed by the truly 'dismal science' of economics).

Let's be clear: Poor countries are poor because they are integrated into the global economic system on unequal terms. The systematic extraction of their real resources, labour and energy over time is breathtaking - and the rigged trade deals, tax evasion, blatant land grabs and evil doings of the IMF keep them in their place.

A handful of rich countries effectively control economic policies across the rest of the world - that is why they are rich, and that is why the countries they extract value from are poor. Jeez.

 

 

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Thank you. This is what I was driving at, but you put it more succinctly.

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It all comes down to the stories we tell ourselves and whether or not we actually believe them. I don't think believing your story will help these poor people much at all.

The English speaking cultures are extremely good at telling their own story and masters at making up stories for other people too.

Yet it has to be somewhat believable. How did Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finand, Australia and New Zealand get into this rich club of devilish exploiters?

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Are you claiming that Australia was not built on exploitation? Ask an aborigine from Tasmania, oh no you can’t, because the were all killed by settlers. 

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That's actually a myth. The Tasmanian Aboriginal people, the Palawa, still exist today.

Ah, the stories we tell ourselves.

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You are correct. 47 of the original 15000 Palawa survived. I apologise for my error. 

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"Yet it has to be somewhat believable. How did Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finand, Australia and New Zealand get into this rich club of devilish exploiters?"

You've answered your own question - they were and are in the club (English colonies, European Free Trade Assoc etc)  

 

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I guess their success, their devotion to hard work and rule of law, could look like a conspiracy.

Yet the Legatum Prosperity Index rates countries using the following variables:

Economic Quality
Business Environment
Governance
Education
Health
Safety & Security
Personal Freedom
Social Capital
Natural Environment

Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands, Luxembourg and New Zealand at the top 

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And all with their native cultures intact and ruling, oh, bar one. I'll leave it to your powerful brain to figure out which one is that.

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The one that is by far the lowest GDP per capita.

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All people are individuals and we are governed by democracy. It shouldn't make any difference whether you are native or not. Also I don't think the Sami "rule" in the Scandinavian countries do they?

Also you could say the great majority of countries in the world are ruled by their native cultures, whatever that means, so one in eight in my list not being ruled by it's native culture would be expected. It's quite irrelevant as to why they are prosperous.

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There is most certainly riches among some countries because of the exploitation of peoples who were dismissed as 'savages'. Payback time

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Again, "payback"..so bitter.

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Yes, payback time, and where this goes I have nothing to be bitter about, I am among those who have benefitted through life from being white, I do things these days that I know, if I were a different colour would never be as easy as I find them. The difference between you and me, is, there came a point where I decided to try and understand this better, I will wager that going by your stances, this is something you will never allow yourself to do.,

 

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 I'm not sure NZ ranks "top" in education. A quick search on the internet show up with many articles/researches saying NZ kids rank poorly compare to other countries in both STEM and literacy. And getting worse by the day.

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What nation in recent times has / is being exploited for cheap labour and industry on mass scale… what position are they now in geopolitics! Empires come and go… very hard to stay dominant 

it’s clear to me the power and success of any nation is to the level of morality, law and democracy they have… these things take a verrry long time to evolve.

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It depends on your definition of morality. South Carolina in the US just introduced death by firing squad as an execution option. The democracy of the US compared to a country like NZ is also questionable. Boris Johnson is currently touring gulf states looking for oil and weapons deals. UK supplies arms to Saudi for the war in Yemen and also turns a blind eye to the dismemberment of journalists and mass executions. Claims of moral superiority of one nation over another is somewhat subjective.

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That characterisation of hunter/gatherer era as a life of ease is "a bit of a stretch"...

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Ah yes, a life of ease, punctuated by acts of sudden and extreme violence, cannibalism, human sacrifice and self mutilation.

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Of course much of that can be done so much more easily with WMDs

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Any mention of guns, germs and steel??

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A great book.  So is collapse.  Even when they are wrong they make you think.

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"There are indeed many examples in history. The ‘Black Death’ bubonic pandemic from 1347 to 1352 killed about 40 percent of the population of Europe, but the survivors did very well out of it: wages doubled as the available land per person doubled. But then as a result of their improved living standards, birth rates rose and death rates from other sources (such as maternal deaths in childbirth) fell, and real wages got squeezed yet again."

Hmmm. Within a couple of decades of the pandemic most European countries introduced legislation and other practices to basically cap wages and / or enslave labour (statute of labourers in England, serfdom in Eastern Europe). This led, with the introduction of taxes and other measures, to the peasants revolt of 1381. Also worth noting that the 100 year war between England and France is what caused the significant inflation in the 14th century and the drop in 'real wages'. The population didn't actually start to pick up until the late 1400s.

Whilst this period of European history did produce better quality of life for workers in some areas for a time, this was swiftly closed down. For example, in England noblemen pushed through laws to 'enclose' land and stop peasants hunting or growing their own food. This coupled with taxes forced peasants into low paid work for the noblemen and increases in workers' living standards stalled until the late 1800s.

Obviously we can see in NZ history that English noblemen learned a lot from this period - using land seizures and the imposition of taxes to create poverty and unemployment, and therefore the supply of labour needed to create wealth.  

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Braudel quotes a study of a small French town whose population barely changed for almost 1000 years - it regressed from 10 butchers to 1 butcher just before the French revolution.

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