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Brian Easton notes that journalists' misunderstandings about what makes a useful economic forecast results in entertaining commentary, and ignores the few forecasts that have been done rigorously

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Brian Easton notes that journalists' misunderstandings about what makes a useful economic forecast results in entertaining commentary, and ignores the few forecasts that have been done rigorously
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This is a re-post of an article originally published on pundit.co.nz. It is here with permission.


There are quality economic forecasts and there are entertaining ones.

Reviewing 2021, Stuff journalist Melanie Carroll pointed out that ‘Economists spend their days pondering what will happen [actually we don’t*], but last year they were taken by surprise by how strong inflation was, how well the economy withstood Covid, and Reserve Bank interest rate hikes.’

There follow a number of go-to economists – those whom the media regularly consult – explaining how they cocked up. Some failures arose because they were forecasting events over which economists have no special competence – like the course of a Covid virus. Others were economic events which the economists misjudged.

Carroll concludes that ‘In uncertain times it was better for businesses to scan the environment, read widely, and think about potential scenarios that affected their operations, rather than pin all their fortunes on the forecasts of one economist.’

I do not disagree with her conclusion but despite it, journalists will continue to go to economists for forecasts. They want short, pithy, certain, ones. The more competent the economist, the more caveats and admissions of uncertainty and so the less likely the economist is to be a go-to choice. It is a well-established research finding that the more certain a forecast is, the more likely it is to be wrong – as Carroll found.

If you want to see an economic forecast done properly, have a look at the Treasury Economic and Fiscal Updates, the last of which was published just before Christmas but was actually locked up in early November.

The Treasury is required by law to produce two a year (and three in an election year). That has the advantage that they are considered forecasts rather than instant responses to the latest statistic which will be subject to statistical noise and can be misleading if they are considered alone out of context of all the other data. Treasury also provides one of the most detailed forecasts; its economic outlook comes to some 20 pages and is in sufficient detail that if a good economist disagrees with it – say, over a particular assumption – then one can modify the Treasury forecast. Indeed, the Update itself often reports how a different assumption will change its figures.

To be clear, the Treasury predictions are not accurate. We don’t need Carroll to tell us that. The Treasury goes to a lot of trouble to explain how they got the previous one wrong (in this case the 2021 Budget update), including tables and graphs which compare them. (If you ask for them, as the OIA allows you to, the Treasury has more detailed comparisons of their forecasts showing their errors over a much longer period.)

Moreover, Treasury will avoid predicting things if they cannot. For instance, these forecasts mention the possibility of an Omicron outbreak but it would have been crazy to have included a scenario in the forecasts at that stage of the cycle.

What then is the point of Treasury making such resource-consuming forecasts, other than they are required by law? Traditionally their brief was to inform and support the Minister of Finance; in an open democracy that applies to all of us. The election update is specifically required so that the Opposition and electors are (almost) as informed as the Minister; not everyone uses the opportunity. The Minister then uses this and a variety of other information to inform his revenue, spending and borrowing plans.

Moreover the detail of the update is such that those who disagree with any assumption can modify the forecast. When a new piece of data comes in it will be checked against the forecast and if it is too far out of line, some adjustment will be made and the Minister informed. If a journalist asks him he will give a coherent response; an OIA can follow if anyone is dissatisfied.

If there is a major shock to the economy – such as the Omicron outbreak or the Evergrande Chinese property developer crashing – it is a relatively simple exercise to modify the Treasury forecast. My bet is that although the Omicron announcement was made last Monday, the Minister will have a coherent revision predicting the impact by this weekend.

So that is why I keep the latest Update next to my desk.

While I have written here about the Economic Update, the Fiscal Updates have another interest. Again there are specific forecasts so all the above applies. But there is also 50 (yes, fifty) pages of the risks to the fiscal forecasts, which provide an insight into the hosts of potential challenges that the government faces – not all of them, only those which impact directly on government revenue, spending, and borrowing, but there are a lot. Those who closely monitor the government find the details fascinating. Anyone who wants to make an informed comment about a government department should check to see what the risks section of the Fiscal Update says.

But that is not really what Carroll was writing about. The go-to’s forecasts are for your entertainment, not to inform you. Which is why the journalists keep reporting them.


* When Bob Solow said economists mainly think about sex, he may have been joking.


Brian Easton, an independent scholar, is an economist, social statistician, public policy analyst and historian. He was the Listener economic columnist from 1978 to 2014. This is a re-post of an article originally published on pundit.co.nz. It is here with permission.

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38 Comments

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No. Economists are excellent backcasters.

they try to explain what happened but unable to tell what will happen. their knowledge is so out of date.

most economists in NZ do forecast without any understanding of global politics and world history.

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xing,

No. Economists are excellent backcasters. Presumably this also applies to Chinese economists too.

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Problem is economists don’t get to privately forecast what they see, they get paid to forecast what is in the best interest/s of their employer. 

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Short answer: No

This is because economists count the wrong thing(s).

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/112445/murray-grimwood-traces-long-h…

And the media therefore report the wrong things

Despite blatant cajoling.

Chosen ignorance?

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pdk,

For the future not to be as dystopian as you paint, then we have to create a circular economy. We are nowwhere close to that now and quite possibly, we won't.

But, as i have said before, with young grandchildren, i cannot simply accept that their future must be unremittingly bleak. Thus, paradoxically, I see the possibility that fossil fuels can buy us the time we need; not to simply maintain what we have-I think that is not possible or indeed, desirable- but to allow us to reach a sustainable future.

That would be impossible under Clugston's vision of 2050 being the end game, but I don't accept that. Could anyone have guessed that last year, the US would export more oil than it imported. Extraction from the Permian Basin has hit 5 million bpd and is now on a much more solid financial footing. Of course we will run out in time and we must plan for that. The transition will be painful and in places bloody, partly as a result of climate change, water availability, soil degradation, climate refugees etc, but we are not helpless. 

I won't live long enough to find out how this pans out, but I refuse to die believing that we are doomed to a miserable end.

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Economists aren't taught to think outside of the prism of projection of past events , creating a new perspective . An example is their refusal to incorporate natural capital into their economic models . If something was done regarding this they may find answers to explain their litany of errors. Particularly around cost of energy predictions. Until economists and their political and corporate masters overcome this omission they will always be behind the curve . Also they lack judgement on international events and their ramifications locally. 

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Yep, their frames of reference are far too narrow.

But they also fail to pick up obvious things around economic cycles.

The vast majority of them are a waste of space. There's very few good ones, Brian is one of them, and a few good ones in the universities.

I reckon Rodney Dickens is quite good, his articles used to appear on this website sometimes. He's got a subscription service for his reports.

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Disagree. He's a nice fellow, but he's consistently failed to 'get' the physics.

 

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Incorporating physics into any of the mentioned examples of bad forecasting would not have improved the accuracy of the results one whit.

Physics won't tell you which year and month a pandemic is going to arrive etc etc etc

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When extrapolated to carrying-capacity (I'll allow you chemistry and biology, but both are energy dependent) yes, you can. Not the year, but the probability. Too many people crammed too closely, travelling to fast past each other, too often. Just odds, really.

And in terms of work do-able, it is 100% accurate. In terms of entropy, ditto.

But those who need to believe in economics, interestingly, try to legitimise same by using physics terms (makes them soud like they know what they;re saying. "Engines of growth" is a classic, I laugh every time.....

 

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A probability of something happening is not a forecast

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I’m surprised economics is still even a job. If you want to analyse a ton of data and make a prediction, well that is exactly what machine learning is for. There is no way an economist could do better unless they make anecdotal observations (which are almost always wrong). 

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I think one of many flaws is the surveys that they undertake around economic sentiment. In my experience, most business owners tend to be 'glass half full types', and therefore consistently overestimate their own prospects and those of the economy.     

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Macroeconomics won't be going out of fashion any time soon as it allows those in power (governments, corporations, etc.) to mask policy failure with rosy macroeconomic releases and projections.

In a more local context, NZ politicians  have for far to long relied on monetary and population stimuli to game positive headline figures without having to deliver on serious issues such as workforce skills, education and infrastructure.

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Economist are expert affer the event = Give Reason and justification after the event as will be correct 50% time by default. 

When it comes to predection it is full of IFs and BUTs. Besides can anyone highlight when have they been correct - Were they correct in 2020 or 2021 to expect them to be correct in 2022.

Econonists should be taken with a pinch of salt and each choose what suits them - Glass is half full or half empty. 

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Thank God for Brian Easton. One of the very few shining lights amongst NZ economists.

Although, I disagree it would have been crazy for Treasury to factor in an omicron outbreak - an outbreak was effectively a certainty.

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No, I am going to listen to my mechanic!

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How are economists supposed to make predictions when central banks have distorted price signals, risk premiums and generally artificially propping up bubbles left, right and centre? Not that I think most economists can do this in “normal” times, but it’s impossible now

The only certainty is it will all end in disaster eventually, but how do you predict when?

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I suppose they are no different to volcanolgists,they take the readings,maybe raise the alert levels and then guess what happens next based on prior events.

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I heard that an amateur vulcanologist will predict an eruption in the next 1000 years whereas a professional vulcanologist will narrow that down to 500 years!

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See this dig at economists and their equations:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVQfWC_evg

(see specifically around the 29.12 minute mark)

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Economists can only forecast for a country which is not obsessed with just one type of investment. All economics just fail when it comes to housing in NZ. People will buy what ever crap they can get at what ever price. Where else can anyone spend their money in NZ? There is nothing else worth while doing in the country. Borders are closed and people are spending what they have on the houses. This will go on and on.

 

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<i> This will go on and on </i>

It did seem like that while inflation remained persistently low in NZ for the better part of a decade and a half.

The key question for NZ households is whether they are happy for their real wages going down to be offset by higher house prices.

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Nothing goes "on and on".

Except those peddling the idea that everything does.......

 

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Even there are cccfa and tightening conditions, people still do not get it in their head that an old house, single glazed and not much left in yet is not worth 1.3 million. One couple in late 50's asking to bring forward auction on it and ready to pay 1.3 mn. Last weekend same estate agent was ready to take offers of 1.1 million for this house if anyone offered. If this is not kiwi obsession with houses than what is it and you are telling me it will not go on and on.

The stupidity of the people is unimaginable when it comes to houses in this country.

No one really sits down and calculates how many years it will take to save 1.3mn on an above average salary. And on top of it they are paying interest to the banks.

Really how crazy is that. 

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Many buyers in the housing market lack the basic intelligence to understand their own financial situations and can't help but treat their home loan pre-approval limits issued by greedy banks as gift cards that are meant to be maxed out.

What they don't understand is - during good times, banks will engage in risky lending without much care for default risk as long as they can recoup the principal plus hefty penalties by selling foreclosed properties. In a bad market, they can count on the government of the day to bail them out since the NZ housing market is too big to fail.

So it is caveat borrower in every scenario!

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Banka Gangsters . NZ’s largest gang. Australian to boot. 

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Yes, economists are capable of forecasting correctly, but they are not free enough to publish it as is because the funding comes from parties who don't want that view to be floated to the general public.

Same for media if a media house is supported by B&T which is having deep pockets to do so in that case all the articles seems to be tilted to show thing under the shadow of B&T agenda. And that is not wrong because it is sponsoring them & general readers don't matter much.

There is always an influence of stronger powers & that truth cannot be changed as there are no free lunches in this world.

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Q "What do you call an economist who makes a prediction?"

 

A "Wrong!"

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Economists have predicted 8 out of the last 3 downturns....

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I feel like bank economists talk a big game about trouble ahead in the hope that levers are pulled to prevent such trouble. Such as warning about house price drops and wage increases and taking about what a nasty spiral it will put us in so that govt/rbnz take evasive action. (But maybe cheaper houses and higher wages is what we actually need?)

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It'd be good for Interest to start a league table of economists' predictions. Limit to next six months, average of big banks' rates: up, down or static. Then show % accuracy like the pundits in the sports pages. 

 

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Not going to happen, because (unlike most on this thread) we know they 'forecast' based on what they know now, and on the basis that unknown changes don't surface. When circumstances change, they change their view (mostly). They never claim to be able to see the future. Their 'forecasts' are more like a consequence estimate.

Readers falsely think they are some sort of future-telling. But real economists know they aren't anything like that. Still, as this thread shows, redefining cheap but false expectations of what their forecast are, makes them entertaining targets.

Every economist I know subscribes to the Voltaire maxim. Even those who disagree amongst each other. (It is interesting to observe that gotcha politics is all about tripping up someone's prior 'certainty' - even if it wasn't a certainty in the first place. Such is modern political discourse. Actually, not so 'modern' - I am reading the Alexander Hamilton biography, and it was dangerously fierce then too.)

Economic forecasting isn't sports betting. Never was, despite iPredict.

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David,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but economists have done great harm with their apparently 'scientific' nostrums. Consider the enormous influence that the Mont Pelerin Society had. Where did the idea of Homo Economicus come from? Economists and what a nonsense that is, as Behavioral Economics has shown us.

How about the laffer Curve?  I suggest you read Licence To Be Bad, by Johnathan Aldred-How Economics Corrupted Us. You could also try Econned by Yvonne Smith.

The 'Social Science' of economics has much to be modest about, but still wields far too much influence on policy. 

 

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The bank economists have quite regularly made a forecast and then based on the forecast recommended that customers change their behaviour e.g. don't float, fix to avoid disappointment.

They certainly gave the impression that they were predicting the future. Even if they consistently got it wrong from about 2009 to 2020.

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Two things. Economics was invented to make Astrology look more respectable.

Tony Alexander, one of the honest economists, has always said that economists are no better than anyone else at predicting the future, based on past and present knowledge.

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I was under the misunderstanding that Tony Alexander was in the pocket of "One Roof".

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Would love to see some Brian Easton's forecasts.

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