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Pope Francis sees cancel culture as a threat to the open, compassionate and forgiving human society he has always championed, observes Chris Trotter

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Pope Francis sees cancel culture as a threat to the open, compassionate and forgiving human society he has always championed, observes Chris Trotter
Pope Francis

By Chris Trotter*

What should we make of Pope Francis’ condemnation of “cancel culture”? There will be some who argue that the opinions of an ageing male celibate who somehow learned, back in the 1970s, to sup with Argentina’s murderous generals, should not be received as the gospel truth.

Others will insist that the Pope’s unique moral and political perspective is especially important in these increasingly censorious times.

What is indisputable, however, is the fact that if the impact of cancel culture is sufficient to ruffle the papal cassock, then the phenomenon is clearly a great deal more dangerous than many of us cared to believe.

Francis, no mean scholar in his own right, sees cancel culture as a threat to the open, compassionate and forgiving human society he has always championed:

“Under the guise of defending diversity,” says Francis, “it ends up cancelling all sense of identity, with the risk of silencing positions that defend a respectful and balanced understanding of various sensibilities.” Shrewdly appropriating the concepts and language of those most closely associated with cancel culture, the Pontiff characterised this willingness to silence cultural and political challengers as “a form of ideological colonisation.”

This is fighting talk and no mistake. Those members of the Labour and Green caucuses for whom the rigors of cancel culture arouse nothing but enthusiasm would be wise to draw back and think carefully about what the Pope’s words might portend. As the leader of the world’s largest Christian community (and New Zealand’s largest Christian denomination) Francis, like all his predecessors, wields not only religious, but also an inescapable measure of political power. As a general rule, it is most unwise for a political party to pick a fight with the Catholic Church.

Wise, or not, Labour and the Greens have already aligned themselves with causes and policies that are alienating not just Catholics and other Christians, but also those New Zealanders falling under the heading of cultural conservatives. They have done this with considerable confidence, most probably because the major, non-evangelical, churches long ago acknowledged the moral hegemony of secular “progressivism”.

Over the past three or four decades, the Anglicans, Presbyterians and Methodists have learned how to get along by going along with the cultural radicalism of the Powers That Be. As society’s fierce and unyielding conscience, the major denominations have almost entirely vacated the field of intellectual battle. Inevitably, politicians and public servants have come to see Christianity as a social movement populated by the sort of people who flock to hear the likes of Brian Tamaki: poorly-educated rubes, incapable of mounting a coherent argument against necessary social and cultural reforms.

Back in the days of Cardinal Tom Williams, Dean Richard Randerson, and the Salvation Army’s Major Campbell Roberts, right-wing politicians of all descriptions were constantly challenged to defend their neoliberal economic policies against the aforementioned clerics’ well-argued Christian critiques.

On contemporary social and cultural issues, however, the political class is seldom tested. The Catholic Church’s opposition to abortion and homosexuality, never intellectually robust, was ultimately swept aside by the secular advocates of reform. On the questions of indigenous rights and racial justice, however, the Left and all but the most rabid evangelical Christians tended to be allies rather than enemies. It has been a long time since progressive New Zealand was confronted with a theologically-inspired counter-attack it could not easily brush aside.

That this has fostered a large measure of ideological hubris is evidenced by the disinclination of the progressive political class (and their bullet-makers in the universities) to debate with – rather than cancel – any individual or organisation disposed to challenge their refusal to defend freedom of expression, uphold the scientific method, acknowledge the most basic biological realities, or treat the writing and teaching of history as anything other than an opportunity to propagate the idéologie du jour.

While this intellectual arrogance remained contained within the walls of academe and/or parliamentary select committee rooms, the rest of New Zealand paid it scant attention. The realisation has, therefore, been slow to dawn on the ordinary voter that, if allowed to go unchallenged and unreproved, extreme ideas have a nasty habit of becoming extreme policies and, ultimately, extremely alarming laws of the land.

Three years jail-time for engaging in “hate speech” is a more draconian maximum sentence than the one available for male-against-female assault. Apropos of which, in a remarkable display of parliamentary unity, maleness and femaleness have themselves become matters of purely personal preference – which all other citizens are now legally bound to acknowledge and respect. Officially, New Zealand history is now the history of Māori. The rest of us, when not actually engaging in colonialist oppression, are, apparently, just passing through. Constitutionally, co-governance will steadily replace democracy. As the tyrannical creation of privileged white males, majority-rule has clearly run its course.

What better case could be made for the reality of Pope Francis’ “ideological colonisation”? Like the “godless communism” of the Māori – so deplored by the British colonisers of the nineteenth century – the democratic sensibilities of ordinary New Zealanders have become outrageous and outdated cultural shibboleths. Away with them!

When Leonard Cohen sang, in his prophetic 1992 album, The Future:

And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past

I wondered what he meant. But now, as he says, “everybody knows”.

Human cultures and societies are at once frighteningly fragile and reassuringly resilient. As he struggled to rescue the victims of the Argentinian junta’s vicious military rule, Jorge Mario Bergoglio had every reason to study closely the impact of a mindset dedicated to imposing just one answer to life’s challenges and mysteries. And how ultimately fruitless all such impositions turn out to be.

The absolute necessity of allowing cultures and societies to breathe. The horrors that attend every attempt to enforce ideological uniformity upon the unruly diversity of the human species. The man who would become Pope Francis learned these lessons up close and personal – not the least of which was the complicity of so many in his own church in the mortal sins that orthodoxy both provokes and sanctions.

That this Pope has invited the Vatican’s diplomatic representatives to resist the global trend towards a dangerous and unforgiving secular orthodoxy, gives cause to hope that Francis may yet champion unequivocally what he has, to date, only hinted at – doctrinal heterodoxy.

To be “truly inclusive”, Francis told God’s diplomats, means “starting from different viewpoints” and “not cancelling but cherishing the differences and sensibilities that have historically marked various peoples”. This could only be achieved, he argued, through “reciprocal trust” and “willingness to dialogue”.

In the words of his own message marking the 2022 World Day of Peace: by “listening to one another, sharing different views, coming to agreement and walking together.”


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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No 'belief' is valid, now that the future of humanity is in human hands.

But we could have expected that, as the existential pressures came on, the current 'winners' in this system would apply rules to protect said system.

Even though it is obviously unravelling on multiple fronts.

Interesting times.

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listening to one another, sharing different views, coming to agreement and walking together.”

When he said walking together, this would be not 'walking the pets together.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59884801

The biggest threat from cancel culture is that it stops all forms of communication, including 'Better to encourage foolish people to speak out and remove all doubt, lest they appear wise or to give support by staying silent.'

 

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Cancel culture is, of course, all about control, rather than making the world a better place. Anyone in a position of power knows that the most effective method of control is to make everyone deathly afraid of something, and then convince them all that you're the only one who can save them from whatever it is they're afraid of.

Cancel culture takes this one step further; it aims to make us all afraid of ourselves, to convince us all that we are bad people - sinners, if you like - who need salvation to free us from this overwhelming sense of guilt we're told we should all be experiencing.

Sound familiar? It should. This is the exact same methodology that institutions like the Catholic Church rely on for their very existence.

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*Thunderous applause* 

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Get woke. Go broke.

 

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The next milestone for this country may be the repeal of the Bill of Rights.

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Or not

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I really don't see the catholic church as "true north" for freedom of speach, integrity and values.

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Pope Francis might get me back in the fold of he keeps this up. 

 

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I am an 'Agnostic Catholic'.

I think this Pope is great.

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Pope Francis  might be cancelled permanently like pope john paul 1. A good read "In God's Name" by david yallop

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CT's on the money early this year. With time to ponder over the festive break, even an old leftie like him can see the dangers very apparent within his own sub-culture. The academic elite (AE) have a lot to answer for, but the worst is still to come. It's when our great western democracies crumble & burn, while the professors drink tea & cyanide & look on with glee, then we will know the true evil of their agenda. Sadly, the AE haven't seen enough of the real world to know any different. The real world is tough, hard & horrible in more places than not. 6 bill of the 7.5 billion people living today do not have what we have. And it is much anyone's of any colour provided they work for it. Cancel culture is the complete lack of gratitude for what we have & what we are. Even worse...  for not appreciating or recognising it for what it really is, the freedom to live & to love & to get on with your life. Is that too much to ask? The pope thinks not. And by the sounds of it CT's in agreement.

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Thanks CT. Best read in a long time. Thought provoking and gives light to a direction for reality. Underlying all of that importantly is the pointed and true, explanation as to just how far our parliament, our current mps and on all sides, have simply lost touch with who and what they are representing, displaying little regard to the historical traditions and integrity that developed New Zealand both politically and socially. Now personal ambition, self interest is simply far too dominant.

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If you work in a govt department, education, corporate or larger SME - there is only one way of thinking or expression of ideas now.  Cancel culture is now firmly embedded in the modern workplace.  

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You would be very unwise to go against "cancel culture". I can't see any particular merit in doing that to be honest. You would most likely be wrong anyway and come across as a bit weird or at least seriously old fashioned. For example who would vociferously complain about gay marriage, or abortion or oppose diverse immigration these days?

Might as well embrace it, perhaps spend a few minutes each week keeping up with the current trends and nomenclature then pour yourself a nice glass of champagne, because a form of champagne socialism is really the only sensible ideology for the thinking man. The Zeitgeist will have its way whatever you or I think or say.

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If you don't like abortion or gay marriage, just don't marry someone your own sex, or get an abortion. These things aren't forced on you. Plenty I know voice freely their opposition to general immigration levels, however if you are concerned about what countries the people are coming from, your most probably being racist, and so should be shunned to a degree.

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We should be focused on where people are coming from unless we want to end up with the same problems they have got. People have to stay in their own countries and sort the mess out, not export the problem. We are just super lucky to be surrounded by ocean and not have land boarders like the USA for example. Even the UK is finding out the channel is not wide enough.

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I don't want to come across as pedantic, and I have resisted many times till now, but... - it's 'borders' not 'boarders'.

This error seems to be repeated consistently in the comments section.

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Carlos67 is a repeat offender. I find it difficult to take seriously anyone who doesn't know the difference between border and boarder or lose and loose.

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LOL. Basically if you a person that worries about spelling your focusing on all the wrong stuff in life.

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It's not so much spelling as it is the use of the wrong word. It's the wrong word Carlos. A boarder is someone who rents a room in your house. All I am saying is that it's not a good look.

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Oh, correct spelling isn't everything...some of its punctuation & grammar.

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one apostrophe, MIA then?

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Yes, and you have to be very careful with other punctuation marks, like colons. 

For example, 'I like eating my Grandma's cake, vs 'I like eating my Grandma's colon.'

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You sound like a cock. My father can’t spell (left school at 14) but waltzed into Mensa, is a musical prodigy and is very financially secure. What’s your track record Shakespeare? Oh, have you represented NZ in sport.

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Okay, let's just use the wrong words for things from now on.

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Exactly, first in science, first in class at school and retired at 48, who cares about spelling. My father could barely write let alone spell, didn't matter in his line of work and he did things in engineering I can only marvel at to this day.

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I find it difficult to listen to people who are uneccesarially pedantic. 

I'm typing this on a phone. I have fatfingers and un reliable auto correct. 

Deal with it. 

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Could you type slower, as I can't read very fast?

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People who think it is okay to use bad spelling, and bad grammar usually believe it is also okay to do and believe all sorts of odd things.

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Lets cancel them then

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A lot of unpleasantness is the result of fevered thinking, fear, pessimism, slippery slopism, seeking to make the future more moral for future generations but it's not actually your job to take all that on. Just accept things the way they are, especially if you are on a good wicket.

An ordinary person should just let the Zeitgeist take them wherever it goes. After all they probably don't have the charisma to be a Yukio Mishima* or something like that. 

* - dying gloriously on some stupid hill

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Diverse immigration is like adding fruit to the Xmas pudding - in general variety improves the pudding however there are exceptions (sardine?).  An immigrant from Scotland may have his opinion of haggis without it affecting those who think different. It gets trickier when it relates to certain cultural matters - my wife comes from a society that is shocked by the idea of someone marrying their first cousin (as per Charles Darwin) also had strong views against homosexuality and a woman stepping over a man's legs is completely taboo. She has adapted to NZ and if we go to her place of origin then we should adapt too.  It is this idea of multi-culturalism that causes problems.  The choice is either ghettos or acceptance that there is a single NZ culture that while being generally wide and accepting has limits - try polygamy or FGM for example. 

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At last. I was was concerned that the obvious cultural blinkers of many commenters was becoming too apparent. It seems too many of us are not willing to accept and embrace the diversity of humanity. they are clearly threatened by difference. This is rooted in cultures, most often religious based, that create a tribalistic approach designed to break down and segregate groups rather than unite them. Those seeking power seek ways to divide their communities, creating animosity and hate. Trump is a very recent example of this in the modern world.

This whole article is in effect a warning against moves to undermine democracy, although he is a little too cryptic for most to get it; "Officially, New Zealand history is now the history of Māori. The rest of us, when not actually engaging in colonialist oppression, are, apparently, just passing through. Constitutionally, co-governance will steadily replace democracy. As the tyrannical creation of privileged white males, majority-rule has clearly run its course." 

Maori are already over represented on a population basis in parliament, but I do not see any questions being asked by anyone as to why this is not then changing the lot of Maori on the street? Perhaps it could be that just like Pakeha, Maori are political animals, and just like politicians everywhere they are using very tool at their hands to seek power and privilege, and this includes their race and minority status. 

When democracy is dead in NZ, replaced by what ever (Co-Governance as CT suggests) what then for the people on the street? 

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Yes, it's overlooked that diversity by its very origin creates division, which should be acknowledged and put into the right context. But that a universal harmony needs to be sought, which by definition is more homogenous.

Everything else is just a superficial coat of paint.

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I don't like meth. By your rationale I should just ignore it as there is no pressure on me to use or partake. You'd counter and raise the issues of social harm with meth but by the same token an anti-abortionist would argue of the extinguishing of a 'life' as being a social harm i.e murder. Note I am pro-abortion.

Immigration is great when the immigrant can adapt to the local culture and obey social norms. Ideally they elevate the standard of the country (pay more tax, less drain on social services). I use the word 'ideally' as on occasion we may need people with skills who don't achieve the above e.g. fruit pickers.

There are a hell of a lot of people in this country who are dragging it backwards despite being given the privilege of living here. We need to tighten up, a lot on who comes in.

 

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I thought the Joneses was just describing how things that just affect you personally are easily accepted as individual choice but immigration can still be discussed in public without censure. I suspect in future it will be impolite. Already people have to be careful how they frame their argument. Citing lack of local infrastructure for example.

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The problem really begin when they cross the line from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome.

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I find the example of Siouxie Wiles and Shaun Hendy interesting. They are complaining that their employer-Auckland University-has not done enough to protect them from the internet abuse they have received over a lengthy period of time. I understand that this abuse extends to threats of physical violence. This is of course unacceptable and they have my sympathy.

However, at the same time, they have unleashed a savage attack on 2 other academics for daring to express an opinion with which they disagree. This has persuaded the Royal Society of NZ to open a review with the possibility of expulsion from the Society. Internationally, this risks making NZ a laughing stock. Scientists of the eminence of Richard Dawkins and Steven Pinker have weighed in on the issue. 

The hypocrisy of Wiles and Hendy is breathtaking They demand-correctly in my view-the right to voice their opinions without being threatened for doing so, while doing their utmost to shut down views with which they happen to disagree.

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Since covid arrived we have witnessed the emergence of various academics & some have grown such profile, as to be considered celebrities, perhaps in their own minds more than others. Being a celebrity is of course something of a double edged sword. Many have fallen tragically by the wayside. There is always a higher hill or a faster gun to surmount. But here we have with covid a very serious problem and far from an ideal companion for fame. Things accordingly have got out of balance, there are contradictions abounding and credibility has been over stretched as being mentioned in dispatches has become paramount. Two years ago no one had heard of these identities, let alone that there were so many of them. Not to mention names but I am sure by now, many NZrs would like to see some of them just shut up and keep their opinions to themselves.

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Seconded.  And the best CT article for a new year.

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Pink hair lady! 

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I chuckle at JK Rowling, who has leveraged modern online platforms to the tune of billions in revenue, struggling to realize that modern internet reach cuts both ways. 

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Thanks CT. We should try and make amends for the sins of the past, but not by sinning further. Its depressing to see the revanchism on display by some in their pushing of apartheid instruments like co- governance, on the basis that the ends justifies the means. I'd hoped we'd have moved past that as a country. Apparently not.

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Co-governance is not apartheid - it's the exact opposite.  As a utopian ideal it is about equal sharing of decision-making power between the powerful and the oppressed.

As I see it, the problem/resistance we have with the concept of co-governance in NZ is that the culture that was oppressed during the nation's transition to British/European rule are focusing political response on tino rangtiratanga (self-governance) as opposed to co-governance - and quite correctly this can be seen as a form of separateness - or othering.  And moreover, people with Māori heritage are not the only presently oppressed in our society by any means (take for example, the cohort of first home buyers), and moreover the likely majority of Māori have multiple heritages in their background and many (through assimilation) are unaware of the foundational morals, beliefs and protocols of the Māori worldview.

The Māori cultural renaissance, including the re-emergence of te reo Māori, has been to my mind, absolutely wonderful (a taonga/treasure reinvigorated) for our nation. We all benefit from knowing the full story of our nation's history - if only to be able to pronounce place names correctly and understand the translation/meaning of those names. And we need to honour the part of all of our ancestors in terms of nation-building.

But what seems to me to be happening in the social space of this post-renaissance period, is that we are normalising (or trying to accept without requisite criticism), the behavioural ills arising from decades of oppression.  In other words, gang culture, fractured family units, alcohol and drug abuse, child neglect, lack of respect for law/authority, gambling and other outcomes of oppression.  Many of these ills are on-going as a direct result of decision-making on behalf of the powerful (e.g., regulatory allowance for the proliferation of liquor and pokie outlets in low socioeconomic neighbourhoods).

It has become almost unacceptable to refer to "traditional" whānau/family values - as if having the embedded morals of good work ethic, respect for authority, stability in relationships and financial security are no longer that which we believe to be in the best interests of our children; and hence for society at large. 

My solution?  We have to start teaching and talking about ethics/morals and the notion of reciprocity as the basis of a "good" life. 

 

 

           

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'We have to start teaching and talking about ethics/morals and the notion of reciprocity as the basis of a "good" life.'

Yes, but that has to be based on a universal principle. and thus should not be limited to anyone/everyone's cultural worldview.

 

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The universal principle is that of reciprocity.  It is embedded in the moral framework of all ethics, no matter what religion or culture.

 

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We now are ruled by law, and before that religion/culture and before that the 'universal way.'

A Maori worldview has no more currency than an Oriental or Occidental worldview to overcoming the present and future challenges. 

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How many times can a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn't see?

 

I said nothing about the Māori worldview being superior or inferior to the Judeo-Christian worldview or to the wisdom of Buddha.

I said all such ethically based, moral premises have reciprocity as a core premise, or universal principle to use your words.

There's really is no moral justification for being a selfish-prick.

 

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Sure there is no moral justification but the reality is sadly, that simply doesn’t deter those of that ilk anymore than the fact,  in the extreme there are recalcitrant criminals out there everywhere who, selfishly if you like, will takes what is yours and call it their own. All religions contain base belief in righteousness, the ten commandments for instance, but none of that has ever prevented crimes against humanity in the very same name. I would wager that religious  persecution has been the root cause for more conflict in world history by a long shot, largely aided by the racial intolerance that is invariably alongside. Afraid to say, whether by race or religion or both, humans by nature of greed, megalomania, or sheer evilness will always be having a go at one another. The cynic in me declares no religion to be either superior or inferior to the other, all are flawed to the point of being treacherous.

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I don't see ghosts, of any worldview. 

If you can't put forward the argument rationally, best you think quietly about that, rather than an emotional reply.

 

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By not seeing ghosts - are you saying that the wisdom of our ancestors has no relevance in society today?

My "emotional" (your words) reply was a completely rational argument - of course, unless you want to argue that there is a moral justification for being a selfish-prick.

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'Are you saying that the wisdom of our ancestors has no relevance in society today?' You're starting to sound like Cathy Newman. No, I'm not.

Since you're an academic, maybe you can explain where the word 'prick' makes it into your academic vocabulary?

But as you rightly know, there is indeed a moral justification for being selfish, In fact, most of the great (good and bad) people in history have been the most selfish people you could ever meet.

One can only aspire to have a life where whatever they do for their self-interest, is both good for them and everyone they come in contact with, both directly and indirectly, and the planet in general.

The reality is most people spend a great deal of their time making other people happy at the expense of their own happiness, including their immediate family. 

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If I may introduce another angle. Reading Paul Johnson’s  A History of the American People it is clear how  vital religion was to the early pioneers in terms of structure, discipline and direction, the backbone for development of society. That got me thinking about the indigenous natives already there and how their culture was so spiritually based, their forebears folklore, the fauna and the all the aspects of nature and the wild, that had been adapted and adopted for both societal and survival essentials. Personally I find that line of heritage far more convincing as to the reality of life than the doctrine of a prophet or an identity “enlightened” by some supernatural event. All of that aligns in the same manner as to the unwritten similar history from generation by the polynesians and other Pacific Islanders.

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Indeed - it doesn't matter where the central message of reciprocity comes from - if we accept and action reciprocity between human-human and human-nature as a guiding moral principle - the world would be better off for it.

Adam Smith's reference to an invisible hand has been misrepresented by the powerful for too long. His writings were deeply philosophical, deeply ethical and moralistic.  In fact if you read the full text of the reference to an invisible hand his argument was essentially about nation-building, or anti-globalism/anti-colonialism - in other words, when an individual buys and spends into his own economy, the whole of the nation prospers;

But the annual revenue of every society is always precisely equal to the exchangeable value of the whole annual produce of its industry, or rather is precisely the same thing with that exchangeable value. As every individual, therefore, endeavours as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value, every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was not part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good. It is an affectation, indeed, not very common among merchants, and very few words need be employed in dissuading them from it.

 

Book IV, Chapter II, paragraph IX of The Wealth of Nations

It has nothing to do with the promotion of selfishness/self-interest.

 

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The invisible hand. Again a tangent, but from the other side, someone’s definition of an atheist something like, - those that can make their way through life without any means of invisible support.

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LOL - I loved the Al Pacino's line from the Devil's Advocate about God being just a watcher - a passive onlooker - whereas he, Satan lived amongst us doing his (Satan's) work.

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It's the very definition of the best moral type of self-interest:

'neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. 'he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention.'

It is describing that any downstream benefit of more general benefit is almost seen as an accidental consequence to the individual who was, in his own mind 'intend only in his own gain,' and is of no conscious interest to them at all. It's only by what seems 'Good luck' that others received some downstream benefit.

The invisible hand is talking about what seems is a paradox. What Smith is saying is if the right market conditions exist, then this general benefit will be a natural consequence of self-interest, not a destructive general consequence as most people assume with the standard definition of selfishness.

What makes it an invisible hand is that it seems to be so counterintuitive to what we think would happen that there must be a hand(God-like) invisibly guiding us to make this happen irrespective of human nature wanting (or having to), to naturally do the opposite. This is just Smith using the analogy of the time to explain his theory.

This is described in the following link how science, economics, and religion are interwoven but are not the same.

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/theologys-invisible-hand?fbclid=IwAR3rG7LWZg9_xkBOP9txo4BNasKRor4YRa3rrFN2GCPcZ7BVtN4zrTL6bmQ

'But no one before Smith presented a theory for why this happens. This theory came to be known by the image of “the invisible hand.” In Friedman’s words, “individual pursuit of self-interest channeled by market competition leads to unintended consequences of more general benefit.”

“Scientific thought is a development of pre-scientific thought.”

Noting the delineation between what is known as the scientific thought/method and what it came out of and was therefore before it, which could be called non-scientific, or pre-scientific, but not scientific thought.

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This is just Smith using the analogy of the time to explain his theory.

Not really.  The context was about building nationhood, nothing to do with spirituality/religion.  In fact oddly, what he is voicing is a caution again neoliberalism (although of course the political ideology hadn't been coined yet).  As Noam Chomsky explains:

Rather interestingly, these issues [i.e., offshore outsourcing of production and, what became, neoliberalism] were foreseen by the great founders of modern economics, Adam Smith for example. He recognized and discussed what would happen to Britain if the masters adhered to the rules of sound economics – what's now called neoliberalism. He warned that if British manufacturers, merchants, and investors turned abroad, they might profit but England would suffer. However, he felt that this wouldn't happen because the masters would be guided by a home bias. So as if by an invisible hand England would be spared the ravages of economic rationality. That passage is pretty hard to miss. It's the only occurrence of the famous phrase "invisible hand" in Wealth of Nations, namely in a critique of what we call neoliberalism.

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At that time he is talking to an audience e that is almost 100 years pre Origins of Man, and he is trying to explain the 'first lights' of modern economic theory. if he was going to use an analogy to the masses, this would have been framed under the guiding invisible hand (of God): totally plausible to the concept of 'manifest destiny' of the time.

But either way, what he is saying is that there is a theory/model that allows for one's personal labour, for their own benefit, to help everyone downstream, whether that person is aware, or cares or not.

This is Govts. prime role, ie to create the right economic environment with the use of 'light market regulation.' In fact, this Govt. touch needs to be so imperceptively light to make Smith's theory work, that people are not aware of it and think they are acting within their own totally self-interest.

They are being steered by an 'invisible hand, ' of good Govt. policy. Instead what we have is Govt. policy that is using its hands to swing a club.

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It's the very definition of the best moral type of self-interest:

And this is a misinterpretation as well.  Smith was not putting up the notion of self-interest as a moral premise.  What he was saying is that in transacting through commerce with our fellow citizens - we are creating a social good - one that is likened to an invisible hand.

I read something about an Oxfam report out today which said the increase in profitability experienced by Amazon since the onset of the coronavirus outbreak was equal to enough money to vaccinate every person across the globe - and that is just the increase in profitability.

It would be an insult to Adam Smith to suggest that as a moral philosopher (which is what he was in his time), he would approve of Jeff Bezos retaining all of this increased profitability for himself, if Jeff Bezos thought doing so was in his own self-interest.

Neoliberalism bastardised Adam Smith's philosophy for their own agenda, 'trickle-down economics' - and the majority of the common man soaked it up without question. 

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Yes of course it would be an affront but as you say Bezo is not operating under Smith's theory, and neither is anyone else from any other ideology.

But it's a false equivalence to say Bezo, Musk, apple etc. Pfizer or anyone else that has made money from Covid. The question really is, what type of Govt. policy allows that to happen.

We could equally level these accusations, and more rightly so in my opinion, at a NZ Govt. that allows much of that money they pumped into the economy to go into the housing market with property price increases up to 30% per annum. I'm not sure even Bezo is making that type of return.

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I don't disagree with you on the revitalisation of Te Reo, but much care needs to be taken when discussing Government/governance. 

A Maori Government for Maori is just a racist perspective, and if it were argued that a pakeha government was only for pakeha, that would be called out as racist. On the other hand the basic democratic principle of one man, one vote and representative Government should be considered the ideal. The old Maori system was a class based one, just as the old English one was where Rangatira had all the power, and the choice pickings at the cost of the people. 

I suggest that our focus should be towards achieving true representative democracy, where our politicians are easily held to account by the people and are not able to entrench their power and privilege at the cost of the people, and at levels that are not achievable anywhere else in the country.

A simple question should be asked of the current Government; currently on a population basis Maori are over represented, how then is this serving Maori and why? Drill into it ask the questions. I would suggest that the problem is not that Maori or any other minority group have been actively legislated against, but rather the whole cohort of lower and middle income classes have been ill served by economic policies put in place by our Government. Better representation and more accountability should be able to address that!

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When my vote has less than half the value of someone else's vote, thats what i call apartheid. For all your lengthy justification, how do you justify that? 

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Why does your vote have less than half the value of someone else's?  I don't understand the question.

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I would think it be wise that the church look at its own internal cancel culture before commenting on everyone elses.

Maybe once they have righted the wrongs of abuse within the church to the victims satisfaction they can then have their say about everyone else.

Not to mention of course the historic cancelling of scientific thought and process!

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As Christopher Hutchens said, 'The Catholic Church thinks Aids is bad but not as bad as using Condoms,' (which use, if supported and not preached against by the Church, would have helped prevent approx. 1/4 of all newborn babies in some countries being born with the Aids virus). 

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