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Business groups, experts and politicians respond to the Government's new Covid-19 framework

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Business groups, experts and politicians respond to the Government's new Covid-19 framework

Here are a range of responses to the Government's new Covid-19 framework unveiled on Friday. Note, in most cases these are summaries rather than the full announcements released. 

Here are some responses from business lobby groups.

Retail NZ wants a firm transition date

Retail NZ is welcoming news that the Government is increasing financial support for businesses in light of the ongoing COVID-19 lockdown, and that retail will be able to open at all stages of the new “Covid Protection Framework”, but is calling for a firm transition date.

“Retailers are able to operate safely, using masks, distancing and good hygiene to keep staff and customers safe, and it’s fantastic news that the Government is recognising this in the new Covid Protecton Framework”, Greg Harford, Retail NZ Chief Executive said today. 

“The disappointing news is that there is still no firm date when we will transition to the new system, which makes it difficult for businesses to plan and stay afloat.  We absolutely need to get people across the community vaccinated, and the Government should set a date so that the unvaccinated appreciate the urgency.

“Retail NZ is also really pleased that the Resurgence Support Payment is being doubled.  This will be a big help in enabling locked-down businesses to survive, particularly services businesses such as beauty therapists and hairdressers that cannot trade online.  However, there is still a need for additional support and Retail NZ is keen to engage with Government on a sector-specific support package.

Canterbury Employers welcome legal protections for businesses to refuse non-vaccinated people & employers for staff mandates

Canterbury Employers’ Chamber of Commerce Leeann Watson has welcomed today’s announcement regarding the new Covid-19 protection framework and the details around what it will take to get the South Island out of the current Alert Level 2.

"It is positive to hear a plan for re-opening the economy and a pathway out of lockdown that instead focuses on vaccinations. This will provide businesses a degree of certainty and confidence to start planning ahead, but it comes with the condition that we must reach our 90% double dosed vaccination rate to get there.

"It was pleasing to hear of the increased financial support that will be available from 12 November through the Resurgence Support Payment which will help those businesses and sectors in Canterbury that are most impacted by remaining in Alert Level 2 and operating under these restrictions, alongside the continuation of the Wage Subsidy."

Ms Watson says the framework is also welcomed in terms of legal guidelines for businesses.

"We are very pleased that the Government has signalled that this framework will set up legal protections for businesses to refuse non-vaccinated people and employers for staff mandates, as this is an area that we receive numerous enquiries about from our members and wider business community. Businesses also need approaches and guidance to be able to take defendable decisions in preparing their workforces moving forward and we look forward to continuing to work with Government to gain greater clarity on this."

Chief Executive Leeann Watson says the key will be clear communications and guidelines, as well as ongoing support for businesses through the transition to a highly vaccinated population.

Employers and Manufacturers Association says 90% vaccination target a challenge for Auckland

The EMA welcomes the Government’s announcement of support for Auckland business in particular, and the new COVID-19 protection framework which aims to move away from lockdowns and enable businesses and events to full re-open to vaccinated New Zealanders.

However, Chief Executive Brett O’Riley questions how the new ‘traffic light’ system is practically going to work for business.

"We are pleased to see that the specific support we’ve been asking for as part of the Auckland Business Leaders Group and our own members has come to fruition. But there will be many challenges before it can be introduced, and in its implementation," he says.

"We understand the 90% vaccination rate before the new traffic light system comes in, but this is going to take some doing. The community-wide requirement for COVID-19 Vaccinations Certificates will be a strong incentive for those people who are yet to make the decision to get vaccinated, and we are pleased to see the focus by the Government on this.

"Getting to the 90% target in Auckland is going to be a challenge and while the $120m allocated to targeting our Maori community is great news, we’d like to know particularly how the Government plans to reach other communities, such as those who are opposed to this vaccine but would have one of the others.

He applauds the Government’s focus on and funding of a programme for Mental Health and Wellbeing for business, and says it is crucial for recovery.

"We hear every day, first-hand through our AdviceLine and the Business Helpline how people are suffering and we look forward to working with the Auckland Business Chamber on this initiative. We will also be able to provide business support assistance through the Regional Business Partner (RBP) Network managed by Auckland Unlimited."

"The $50m for the RBP to provide 10,000 businesses with mentoring and advice to help them recover and grow into the future is an excellent practical step to support our businesses and economy."

Here's some expert reaction via the Science Media Centre.

 Michael Plank, Te Pūnaha Matatini and University of Canterbury

“It is good to see the government committing to getting 90% of people fully vaccinated in every DHB. If we reach this target, it will make New Zealand one of the most highly vaccinated countries in the world and put us in a strong position to manage the impacts of having COVID-19 in the community.

“It is welcome news that more resources are being targeted towards lifting Māori vaccination rates. There is much more work to be done here and we should be aiming to get 90% of Māori fully vaccinated as well.

“The ‘red’ traffic light setting may not be enough to control a large outbreak that was threatening healthcare systems. So, we should keep some of the stricter measures like business closures or localised lockdowns, and appropriate economic support packages alongside them, in the toolbox in case they are needed.

Rhys Jones, Public Health Physician and Senior Lecturer in Māori Health, University of Auckland

“It is extremely disappointing that the threshold used to determine easing of restrictions is based on total population vaccine coverage and doesn’t include a requirement for a certain level of coverage among Māori and Pacific communities. This flies in the face of Minister Andrew Little’s assurance, reported this morning, that Covid-19 restrictions would continue until all groups reach 90% vaccination rates.

“Essentially the government has rolled out a vaccine programme that systematically privileged non-Māori, non-Pacific populations, and then used vaccine coverage predominantly among those populations as the basis for easing restrictions. Not only have Māori in particular been neglected in the vaccine rollout, our communities may now be exposed to extremely high risk due to the failures in that rollout.

“So, I believe it is unethical to significantly ease restrictions any further while vaccine coverage for Māori and Pacific remains dangerously low. Māori and Pacific populations are at much higher risk of serious outcomes from Covid-19 than other ethnic groups, so it is essential that we get vaccine rates up as high as possible.

“The requirement for high coverage is even more important for Māori and Pacific communities – because of our younger populations, approximately 25% are currently ineligible to receive the Covid vaccine. That means we must ensure coverage is as close to 100% as possible among those who are eligible, in order to provide adequate protection for those who are too young to be vaccinated. The plan announced today fails to guarantee that level of protection for Māori and Pacific communities.

“The announcement of additional funding to boost Māori vaccination rates is welcome, however this investment is too little, too late. This should have been the singular priority from day one. Māori should have been at the centre of the Covid-19 vaccine programme, and should have been leading the programme, the whole way through.”

Jacqui Maguire, Registered Clinical Psychologist

“For the first time since 17 August 2021 there is a glimmer of hope. Until now there has been no clear pathway out of level 3/4 restrictions, especially for those living in Auckland.

“Despite high vaccination rates in the city (89%), those that have complied with all Covid-19 level restrictions and vaccination requirements have received no reward. People have continued to live with low freedoms and restricted social contact. This has been extremely difficult on the community’s mental health and wellbeing, with feelings of powerlessness, hopelessness, fatigue, deprecation, anxiety and low mood reportedly high. 

“Simple behavioural psychology showcases that people’s behavioural decisions operate on risk and reward system. If vaccinated, currently people’s personal risk may be perceived as ‘low’ whilst personal reward is also ‘low’. It therefore makes sense that people’s motivation to live within level 3 boundaries has waned. For those outside of Auckland (e.g., the South Island), requirement to operate at level 2 when the ‘perceived threat’ to their community was low (e.g. no cases of covid 19 in the South Island) has appeared to lead to increased frustration and unrest.

“People’s mental health and wellbeing is precious, and Covid-19’s restrictions have been a very real threat to this. Today’s traffic light system announcement has for the first time provided some clarity about how New Zealand plans to live with the virus. It also provides real benefit for those that have chosen to get vaccinated. Again, from a behavioural psychology perspective, this system increases people’s perceived ‘reward’ for vaccination and compliance

“However, this traffic light system requires a broad 90% vaccination rate to come into effect. For the average New Zealander, they have limited (if no) influence on how and when this target will be achieved. The collective goal needs to be to keep people well (physically AND mentally) whilst we are in limbo waiting. Furthermore, I believe people are still waiting to receive a clear timeframe on when New Zealand's international borders will open, as for many people there is a significant negative impact of this closure to them personally and professionally. To keep motivation high, this will need to come next.”

And here are some political responses.

National Party sees 'team of 50,000 people who refuse to be vaccinated holding everyone else back'

Leader Judith Collins says the 90% vaccination target for every DHB creates uncertainty.

“Millions of New Zealanders have done the smart thing and gone out and got vaccinated. It is great we now have 86% of Kiwis who have had at least one dose. But the reality is this last 4% will be the hardest to achieve. Then to achieve this in every DHB in New Zealand could take months."

“How is it fair that small pockets of the country can hold everyone else to ransom? This is far beyond the team of five million. This is the team of 50,000 people who refuse to be vaccinated holding everyone else back."

“National’s plan is clear: at 85% full vaccination or by December 1, whichever comes first, we reopen our economy again both domestically and internationally.

“This pathway is a safe way forward if New Zealand invests in vaccine certificates, rapid antigen testing and contact tracing.

“The reality is, it would be safe to move to a system based around vaccine certificates right now, as parts of Australia have, but Labour have failed to deliver the basic website this requires. A million double-vaccinated Aucklanders are stuck at home because Labour can’t deliver a vaccine certificate.

“Today was also bad news for Aucklanders separated from family members across New Zealand, with no certainty provided for when the Auckland boundary would be lifted. Again, if Labour had delivered vaccine certificates, fully vaccinated Aucklanders could be traveling today, with a rapid antigen test at the border."

Green Party promotes 'safer, more appropriate approach that won’t leave anyone behind'

The Green Party has warned that the Labour’s plan to move to a new COVID-19 response strategy is rushed and risky, and will leave some people at risk. Meanwhile, the Greens have a safer, more appropriate approach that won’t leave anyone behind.

“Many people around New Zealand looking at the Government’s plan today will be wondering what it means for their lives and livelihoods,” says Green spokesperson for the COVID-19 Response Julie Anne Genter.

“The Government is unfortunately planning to move to a new COVID-19 response strategy before New Zealand is ready. The proposed vaccination targets are insufficient to protect the most vulnerable, and risk opening up before everyone is safe on an equal basis.

“While we welcome today's announcement on hardship assistance, the government still needs to do more, especially for those not in work.

“There still isn’t enough support for helping low income households to meet their living costs, especially those dealing with high and increasing cost of rent and other living expenses.

“At the very least the Government needs to reintroduce the support that was put in place last year for low-income people, including rent freezes, better access for hardship grants for beneficiaries, and increases to benefits.

“Had the Government done this today it would have been able to say to all New Zealanders that they would be supported to stay healthy, provide for their families, and meet rising living costs.

The Greens would follow an elimination strategy at least until:

·High vaccination coverage is achieved for all age groups, geographic areas, and population groups. This includes a rate of 95% of eligible Māori and Pasifika. It also requires a total population vaccination rate of at least 70% for all ethnic groups and geographical areas, as an additional threshold protection.

·Contact tracing capacity is sufficient to trace the source of new cases that would arise if the rate of spread increases 

Put in place a comprehensive public health plan before any move to a suppression approach rather than an elimination approach:

This should include:

·Ensuring sufficient ICU capacity to cope with additional need

·Vaccinations are approved for children under-12

·Booster shots are rolled out to immune compromised people and additional support is provided to enable shielding

·Ventilation requirements are introduced for all workplaces

ACT Party sees 'an impossibly complicated version of Freedom Day'

“The Government has given an impossibly complicated version of the Freedom Day that ACT, and later National, have advocated,” says ACT Leader David Seymour. 

“We hoped that the Government would admit its errors and give a clear way forward based on building resilience against endemic COVID. That has been half delivered with a very complicated version of what ACT calls Freedom Day.

“The net result is that restrictions will end near to December 1, but when exactly will be decided by laggards. Freedom Day puts the responsibility on the person making the decision to get vaccinated. Labour’s plan means your freedom depends on the laziest person in your community.

“The Government’s approach means it clings to power and keeps people guessing. Every DHB reaching 90% is not a realistic target, so the Government will have to intervene. The most significant announcement is it will make another big announcement on November 29th.

“What the Government should have said is that the whole country will transition to the new system on December 1, with any suburb reaching 90% having restrictions lifted in the meantime.

“The legislation requiring vaccine mandates should be ready and produced. The orders for the new traffic light system should be ready. The software for vaccine passports should be ready and built in to the COVID-19 tracer app. If the healthcare vaccine mandate saga tells us anything, the Government will have made the announcement before it was ready."

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Iron fists are needed to get things into order in the middle of a catastrophe.

 

No Vax No Service.

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外柔内刚的人

Isn't it supposed to be in a velvet glove?

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How is it fair that small pockets of the country can hold everyone else to ransom?

The only pocket of people in this country holding everyone to ransom can be found in the big round building on Lambton Quay. Let's not act like these arbitrary targets are immutable laws of nature.

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Exactly correct. The Government has pulled this 90% figure out of thin air and is now trying to vilify the remaining 10-15% of people who for whatever reason don't want the vax. Melbourne just lifted restrictions, after the longest lockdown in the world, because they reached their 70% vax threshold. If you're pissed at the restrictions you should aim that anger squarely at the Government. It's the Government imposing these restrictions, not the un-vaxed.

We only have to go back to the 1940's to see how sick this entire episode is. When a government vilifies one small segment of society and then convinces everyone else that all their problems are due to "those" people, well you know how that turned out. I'm honestly shocked at how easily the vast majority of New Zealanders are on board with this sick and divisive approach from the government. A free society does not operate like this. 

If the vax is so great, then you have nothing to fear from the unvaxed. You're protected. If however it doesn't protect you, then there's no moral ground to mandated it. 

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I’m vaxxed. What really got me on Fridays press meet is when Jacinda said that we need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated, that’s why they won’t be allowed into bars, restaurants, hairdressers, gyms etc etc etc. ‘We need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated’ 

So let me get this straight, the unvaccinated always have Covid, all the time. There is no recovery of any sort, they just are an infectious mob 24/7. They are not sick and struggling to breathe in the ICU, they are asymptomatic, not tired, not unwell just going about their normal life wanting a drink in their local pub and the vaccinated need to be horrified at their presence, fear them and drive them out of society? Whaaat did I get this right?

 

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Certainly the “be kind” mantra is no longer in play is it. Afraid to say this government is fast tacking back to the last Clark Labour government’s ethos, we know, we say, you do.

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She no longer uses the words be kind anymore. Check on your neighbours has become dob them in. The team of 5 million has become the vaxxed team. I am part of the vaxxed team and I refuse to despise the unvaxxed no matter how much Jacinda spins our psyche to make it us vs them. Shame on you Jacinda, I’m not taking part in your squid games. 

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At any other time this type of statement could be perceived as inciting hate? You would have heard this exact same type of rhetoric somewhere in Germany or neighbouring countries not so many generations ago.

This is beyond just disgusting. This is a betrayal of basic human values that every one with a belief in basic human rights should stand up and say, NO. And this is coming form our leader of the country? History will not be kind to Jacinda Ardern, that is certain.

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I was ridiculed for saying they'll make the unvaxxed wear the star of David. But it's only a policy away at this point. 

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Except people do not choose to have Jewish heritage so that would be a grave mistake and you were living out Godwin's Law so rightly ridiculed.

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Will beneficiaries need to show vaccination proof before they continue to receive their WINZ benefits under the new mandatory Vax & traffic light scheme?

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No but in much the same way WINZ client support will remain as inaccessible to the poor as ever before. They don't need a client vaccination mandate to turn people away. They do that well enough already.

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100%... 

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"Essentially the government has rolled out a vaccine programme that systematically privileged non-Māori, non-Pacific populations"

 

The missing links for Auckland is how we get Counties up from 71%. I see in the opinion above that the Maori and Pacific Island community have been disadvantaged in the rollout. I don't really understand the tangibles behind the statement - which may well be ignorance on my part so would be really grateful for some insights in the comments please.  What I see is universal access (no centres open for only one ethnicity or another - all welcome). Vaccination centres set up in local communities so travel and geography is not an issue. The vaccination is free for everyone so money is not an issue. I am looking for a bias towards any one ethnicity but can't see it. Help?

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Think that can be explained by firstly the inexplicable laxity in acquiring vaccines early and secondly abysmal planning as to how and where to implement them in terms of priority. Had NZ got underway in March this year, vaccination in volume and targeting first the most vulnerable and hard to reach in terms of ethnicity, then what is now seen as critically outstanding and endangered, would have been resolved by now and that in turn would have removed the necessity for you to ask your question.  The government has been in a constant application ie, too late, too little and too little planning

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Interesting that you would have vaccinated at a greater rate than the vaccine delivery rate.

How does that work?

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Dumb forelock tugging comment as always to be expected from the Praetorian Guard.  Simple. Buy it earlier. The government has not offered one iota  of evidence, apart from mouthing, that Pfizer or alternative vaccines were not available. In fact Pfizer themselves have stated they expected deliveries to have commenced in March. Interviewed (Tame) 11 April Adern the PM, waxed lyrical of her comfort that NZ did not have vaccines arriving, because there were no cases. Nothing at all about, the shop(s) not having stocks. Get a wig.

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It's quite a complicated subject Caughtinthemiddle. There is a clue as to the reason you don't understand it in your last sentence.

I am looking for a bias towards any one ethnicity but can't see it.

That's almost like saying, "I only see one race, the human race" and betrays your deeply rooted structural internal bias toward a Eurocentric worldview. Europeans will use the "I can't see the bias so what's the problem?" claim to further entrench profound inequalities that are unconsciously designed to favour the dominant ethnic group.

Naturally there will be profound distrust of the authorities who represent and reinforce the dominant culture. All past resolutions are perceived as having disenfranchised and oppressed minority groups. This has been the lived experience of many people for centuries.

To grasp this, to acquire an informed opinion that doesn't function problematically, takes years of self analysis and formal training.
 

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I’m sorry Zachary Smith what you said is a load of BS.

No vaccine has been developed with a Eurocentric Bias. Thousands of scientists from around the world (yes Eurocentric as well as Asian, Indian, Russian and others) have devoted their time and expertise in developing the vaccines. None of then have done this with a ‘race bias’, that is not how science works! Vaccine science is agnostic when it comes to race, it’s only politics that introduces the race factor.

Over 2 billion people have received COVID vaccines globally. Yes, that includes Eurocentric countries as well as several countries and ethnic groups which are not Eurocentric. Its an acceptance of science, not race, that has enabled the world to achieve such a feat.

I put the excuse “there will be profound distrust of the authorities who represent and reinforce the dominant culture” up there on a par with all the false anti-vax information saying “vaccines are not safe”, it’s a load of BS.

Quite frankly there is no excuse for not getting the vaccine in New Zealand. No vaccine centre here discriminates based on race.

Far as I am concerned:

If you can get KFC (yes that Eurocentric food) you can get the jab

If you can go to the supermarket (yes that’s Eurocentric) you can get the jab

If you can surf the net or watch TV (yes that’s Eurocentric) you can get the jab

If you can spend an extra hour in bed on a weekend then you can get the jab.

 

No excuses, especially playing the race card!

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Yes, you certainly have played the race card.

And completely misrepresented the comment by Zachary Smith.

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That is utter garbage. I had our only vaccination site deny us access to book, deny us literal physical access, and severe dangers in even travelling to the site and our whole family got double vaxxed months ago. Not one ethnicity has been denied access to the level and degree as that occurred to most the disabled population and yet we all got vaccinated. Meanwhile there are Maori educators in the health sector actively discouraging vaccination as it is 'not natural enough' and having less comprehension of basic medical science that students are actively discouraged from being vaccinated from fears the vaccine will give them cancer (thanks to the ignorance of said educators and their influence over students). I am sick of anti vax rhetoric being passed off as cultural beliefs when said cultural beliefs around medicine are nothing of the sort. Your using the excuse of ignorance being culturally shared is racist in itself. Our Maori family have been vaccinated and it was far easier for those who identified as Maori and they got freebees out of the deal. Meanwhile the disabled have been openly denied access to vaccination sites and only recently did the DHBs try to offer transport support or even at home vaccinations to those who are literally house and bed bound. Your argument is not only racist itself but also ignorant of culture, belief, religion and yes even basic medical science. There is a reason we associate the term nutters with those anti vaxxers and those who chose to use the term vaccine hesitant (because they don't go full conspiracy theorist but only ascribe to a few ignorant conspiracy theories).

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Thankfully there has been tonnes of good quality research done on this over the last year or so - so we don't have to rely on the classic kiwi bloke in the pub 'reckons'.

The harsh truth is that the more people believe that they have been discriminated against by the state (or others in power), the less likely they are to get vaccinated. This group also tend to seek their news and advice from 'alternative' news sources, which can add to their resistance.

The solution is patience and finding channels of communication and influence that the vaccine hesitant think are credible - hence, the investment in community groups etc. The good news is that this, with some time, can make a major difference - cutting strong resistance in half. Whether this is enough in some areas remains to be seen.

 

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Take the example of Te Whanau Apanui on the coast north of Opotiki. Can't remember the exact figures but by allowing locals to take charge and do it their way has meant something like 90% vaccinated.

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It is largely age demographic bias.

Maori and Pacific communities are younger than average.  The vaccine roll-out was done by descending age groups.  Also the average age of death from this disease is in the 85+ range and the urgency to take the vaccine increases depending on a persons age.  The two ethnic groups that are slowest to have vaccines were the ones with more young people - the last to be offered it and the least in need of it. 

12-19 and 20-34 yo.s have lower uptake than either of Maori or Pacific groups. 

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-no… 

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Er no, even accounting for age difference in ethnicities the vaccine rollout was open to all available age groups that identified as Maori immediately and especially in high risk regions, like South Auckland. In fact since it was open to younger Maori months earlier than other ethnicities they should have instead leading vaccination rates. But they don't but then again seeing the dropping standards for medical education over the past 3 decades no wonder. Most teachers have been preaching from alternate healing playbooks for a while so the younger generations have been prepped for vaccine denial and are easily susceptible to fraud, scams, conspiracy theories. Just throw in the social media as news fashions and we are past the danger zone. 

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There is no bias… only politicians and bureaucrats that propagate narrative brown brothers are too damaged by colonialism so need ‘them in positions of power’ to ‘help them’ I.e. give me money!

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If Machiavelli were alive today and writing his book The Prince for modern leaders he would most likely endorse that.

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There doesn't seem to be any discussion about the implications of mandated vaccination, or the loss of privacy and individual freedom stemming from the use of vaccine passports. These are some fundamental changes to our society that everyone seems to want to force through as quickly as possible, I would have thought at least some of our elected representatives or business and community leaders would have some diversity of opinion on this matter.

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So-called vaccine passports have been around for years.

 

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Yet I've never had to provide one in order to enter a pub, university or place of employment. You would agree that this is something new, yes?

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Believe it refers to, albeit with typical open ended generalisation, the little yellow book that was issued in say the 1970/80s,  if you wanted to travel to certain international spots. Proved you had had a shot for such as cholera, typhoid, small pox and on. Even in the 1990s Libya, for instance, required a whole range including that you had tested negative for HIV.

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dp - apologies 

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It has often been mandated for many professions historically, especially for viruses like covid which can cause severe medical harm. Often those in medical professions, e.g. midwives have been required to have vaccinations for viruses historically known to cause still birth, malformation and disablement of unborn children etc. but as we eliminate the nastier viruses it drops out of general population memory. Now we have a new severely nasty virus pop up that frequently causes still births and severe disablement and death and oh look the most successful playbooks are being brought out again as if our dear leaders just developed them (even though these had been in use decades before). The only difference now is that we have a much wider health sector than before that can include fitness experts, nutritionists, te whare tapa wha health advisors, social workers etc. The pub can be a community centre point where cultural engagements happen and oh look the staff and other patrons can be especially medically vulnerable and we have a Health and Safety requirement for workplaces.

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And also, in those earlier days it was a paper trail, slow paced but thoughtful and personally verified.  Get vaccine, get sign off, rubber stamp in book. Now electronically, instantaneous, remote and impersonal. In my opinion this has not improved  the accuracy, efficiency or authenticity of the process. 

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“Severely nasty“… Pure Fear Porn! Survival rate 99.99%+ (similar to regular flu survival rate we had for so many years and nobody freaked out) for people under 60… For how much longer do we have to endure this repetitive and utter nonsene?

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I would say millions dead in a year when they could have been alive and tens of millions now with crippling disabilities is enough to be afraid of. Especially with countries health & disability support systems which are not able to cope. Just take the income you have now and the ability to walk outside your door away and kill of any close family member or friend and judge whether that cost is worth it. Whether their lives and your own ability is worth losing for the sake of a trivial injection that does not remain in your body. Meanwhile you choke down cooked food laced with PFOAs to the point no human blood sample in NZ to date is not contaminated with the stuff. Seems an odd hypocrisy and contradiction to have. Provably very deadly and disabling things and you do nothing yet those of non existent risk and you jump like a startled cat. Perhaps you demonstrate that same lack of scientific knowledge, especially around risk and how health is key to financial wealth. Try living with no work, or income for a decade and be homeless then get back to us about how you learned having the ability to get an income and funds to cover basic medical living needs are nice to haves to support a family. The disabled, especially those disabled by disease cannot get ACC support in case you did not know, neither are they entitled to disability support in NZ. So yes given the rate of disablement is between 10-30% even in the UK it is a fair assumption there will be a severe crippling of NZs wellbeing considering we have a population at much greater vulnerability with a far poorer health system.  What will they do and what will their families do when they are gone or out of the workforce. Not even a gated community barrier will protect you from the effects.

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"Essentially the government has rolled out a vaccine programme that systematically privileged non-Māori, non-Pacific populations." Also,  "That's almost like saying, "I only see one race, the human race" and betrays your deeply rooted structural internal bias toward a Eurocentric worldview."

What a load. I live in a heavily immigrant, mainly Chinese and Indian suburb with a flatmate from Mumbai and know quite a few of them. To my knowledge, from frequent conversations, most, if not all of them, availed themselves of any vaccine opportunities presented very promptly. 

Similarly, while shopping in Otara on a Saturday several months ago I happened to find myself at a large parking centre where a vaccination station had been set up amidst quite lot of signage bouncing the event in several languages urging people to get a jab. I noted may of the vehicles in the queue were non Polynesian. Should they have not been there on the grounds that they wee denying Polynesian people's the opportunity to get their jabs?

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It's just excuses and more excuses, heaven forbid you take responsibility for your life.

These so called academics makes these constant claims of racism, but never have to provide a shred of truth, in this case all of NZ saw what happened, and Maori and Pacifica weren't discriminated against, they were discriminated for, so most people aren't buying the usual claims of racism.

What point in life do you stop blaming the government and everyone else for your life and just get on with it.

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Being "discriminated for" may be part of the issue. At the time some claimed this was the government being overly paternalistic. To some in those communities it may have been a little embarrassing, I'm not really sure. Maybe there is something we don't understand about how this is perceived by a different ethnic group. If a Maori or Pacifica person had raised a concern they may have been blown off with:

 What point in life do you stop blaming the government and everyone else for your life and just get on with it.

Further exacerbating the divide.

Also it seems to me that Maori at least should be able to determine the level of vaccination for themselves. It wouldn't surprise me that if we were monoethnic we would just allow individuals to choose for themselves whether to get vaccinated or not. This seems to be an interesting case of diversity being a weakness because the consequences affect different groups differently and the decision making process is influenced by vastly different historical streams. It's complicated!

 

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I think that there is European way of looking at things is very racist. Humans learn from each other very quickly what ways can produce better outcomes for them. That has been the story of humans. If you fail to chose what is best for YOU, because it is developed by a foreigner, by an imperialist etc, you are acting stupid as the outcome harms you. And I note that most NZ people, regardless of their "ethnicities" have done so, including most Maori. 

 

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What annoys me is Ardern and her government are too gutless to stand up to these people constantly claiming racism, and point out that in fact  hundreds of millions has been spent specifically trying to get Maori vaccinated.

No other race has been targeted at all other than Pacifica, so the claims of racism are totally off the mark.

 

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Shreds of truth re racism include the different health statistics for Māori, Pasifika, pākeha; different wealth levels (including the effects of the illegal confiscation of Māori land. 

But why let facts get in the way of your reckon.

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Different health statistics for Māori, Pasifika, pākeha are exactly that, but not in any way proof of racism, prove racism if you claim it, don't just say your worse off so that automatically means racism.

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Institutional racism, impact of historical racism.

Yes it does mean racism.

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No it's the impacts of doing less exercise, and eating less healthy foods, that's not racism.

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Right on!

if anything, the government has been bias in priorising jabs for Maori and Pacific Islanders over others… COVID doesn’t care what ethnicity you are!

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BTW, in case it is not obvious, I am one of Cindy's despised MPS (pale, pale and stale).

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Rhys Jones, Public Health Physician and Senior Lecturer in Māori Health,

“Essentially the government has rolled out a vaccine programme that systematically privileged non-Māori, non-Pacific populations,"

Got any evidence to back this up? these type of so called academics  are on a daily basis throwing around claims or racism in NZ, while never having to substantiate anything they say.

Maori of any ages were able to get the jab, while the rest of the population was only on about ages 65+

Maori health authorities were given the jabs to give out to their populations of any ages.

No one ever fact checks people like this in NZ, or you run the certainty of being labelled racists.

 

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Precisely… if anything the system is racist against non-Maori! 

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The EMA and Chamber of Commerce took a 50 million dollar bribe. To be more supportive of the government for a few more months. How much of that money will actually make its way to any useful purpose. Benefiting a few in the name of the many. They dont even have a plan of what to do with it yet. Money first plan later. Delivery who knows when.

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The best thing to do now is to open up. Right now. Let Auckland be in it's own bubble by all means but let Auckland live.

Those that could not yet care to get vaccinated will get onto it real quickly and those that really do not want it will find out what happens, some will perish - most will survive. No matter what race. I can understand Maori, why trust the Brits, even when they sign something they won't stick to it. Pacifica follow their congregational leaders who place their trust in a higher whatever. Regardless of there being a higher whatever that entity does not choose for anyone, it is your life - make the most of it (or not). White anti vaxxers? - enough said. All other communities seem to know what is best for their survival.

While Delta may spread easier it does not seem to kill more or even get more into hospital, if anything the opposite to the original version. In the meantime suicide rates have more than doubled, supposedly from about 1.8 per day to nearly 5 ( in about 4 years we can view the real numbers). People can't get into hospital for other emergencies due to it being important to keep Covid death rates down to avoid panic. And yet the usual average of 200 people did not perish this year due to the absence of the flu, even Covid is not there yet. Which may be a good thing, otherwise Auckland's population would have dropped even further.

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Except even the vaccinated will not be fully protected and if an outbreak happens and it is wide enough many of those responsible enough to be vaccinated WILL DIE or be DISABLED with their families suffering economic loss. Not to also forget the same for those too medically vulnerable they cannot be vaccinated as they have a non existent immune system. The immune system is extremely faulty and if the whole population above 95% are not vaccinated then for many they might as well be completely unprotected by the vaccine as a wide outbreak will take them down too. Not to also forget an outbreak amongst even just those unvaccinated will lockdown and crash the health system to the point of utter failure so even those with other treatable conditions will die from lack of medical access. People can survive a business failure. It is much harder to survive after death.

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 You seriously should consider consulting a mental health practitioner!

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Why does reality proven scientifically hurt your wounded ego?

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Wow shifting goalposts, alert levels, sub levels and now a traffic light system... 70% targets overseas now 90% in nz, 2 months in lockdown and counting with no end in sight

Almost as if the government can't force you to get vaccinated (see nz bill of rights) but making you unemployable and also locking you up at home until you do....

Idealists.... 

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Can NZ bring NSW Dom Perrottet to NZ & get Auckland back to business? He’s put pressure on Melbourne to open up as he’s got Sydney back to business/work. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10100431/Andrew-Bolt-says-NSW-…

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