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Migration growth continuing with net gain heading towards 70,000 a year

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Migration growth continuing with net gain heading towards 70,000 a year

Population growth from migration is continuing to increase with a net population gain 69,090 in the year to June.

That compares with a net gain of 58,259 in the year to June 2015 and 38,338 in the year to June 2014, according to Statistics NZ.

The latest figures show that population growth from migration is continuing to increase, both on an annual and monthly basis, although the rate of increase is slowing.

If present trends continue it is likely that net migration will probably peak somewhere just over 70,000 a year in the next few months.

In the year to June there were 125,055 people who arrived in this country on a permanent or long term basis and and 55,965 who left permanently or long term, giving the net gain of 69,090.

Of the 125,055 new arrivals, 30,759 were New Zealand citizens returning home and 94,296 were non-New Zealand citizens.

Of the 55,965 long term departures, 33,898 were New Zealand citizens and 22,067 were non-New Zealand citizens. 

India was the biggest source of new migrants with a net gain of 12,031 people from that country in the year to June, followed by 10,433 from China and Hong Kong, 5010 from the Philippines, 4263 from the UK, 3125 from France, 3054 from South Africa and 3044 from Germany.

There was also a net gain of 1933 people from Australia in the year to June.

In a First Impressions note on latest figures Westpac senior economist Anne Boniface said June may have been the month that migration peaked and it may start to fall back.

"There has been a gradual slowing in arrivals of non-new Zealanders over the last year, which continued this month [June], while departures of New Zealanders ticked higher in June," she said.

"We expect annual net migration to fall over the coming years, as foreigners who arrived on temporary work or student visas over the past three years begin to depart, and as the recovering Australian labour market begins to attract New Zealanders across the Tasman."

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30,759 NZ citizens arrived, 33,898 NZ citizens left. That means there was a net decrease of NZ citizens of 3,139. So let's stop all this talk that the reason that immigration is so high is all the NZers returning home. In fact we lost more than 3,000.

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exactly but watch JK blame the returning ones for housing issues.

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And his old theme-song
Don't worry
Be happy
Everything is going to be OK

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Don't forget, working out what net figures mean will be a very complex issue...

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Can somebody report that to Newstalk ZB, Key said this was the main issue of immigration Kiwis returning home accounting for the majority

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/john-key-not-unusual-for-bank…

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the trouble is most sheeple and MSM are too lazy to question his remark and take it as there are more kiwis returning than leaving when that is not happening its the opposite we have been losing kiwis for years

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I can't see NZ becoming a less desirable place to come to live with all the problems that there currently are across the world. Small numbers make a relatively large impact on our economy.

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..small numbers?..

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Germany had immigration of over 1m last year.

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Don't worry. EU politicians have the answer; more Islam.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160720/calls-for-compulsory-islam-classes-at-s…

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If you did the maths you will realise that in real terms your nominal figure means nothing.
~1/80 = 0.0125 (DE)
125/4500 = 0.0278 (NZ)

Pus, Germany have other issues they are wanting to address such as low long term population forecasts.

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That's why I used the word "relatively". 70k is reasonably small in global terms but has a big impact on us. We are saying the same thing! Anyway fact is we need to focus on quality not quantity.

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how it would be if we look per capita? (80.62 mln people in Germany)

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Yeah but because the Germans are the 3rd biggest arms producer in the world, they feel that they cant say no. Us, not so much.

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And now we have a judge of the US supreme court saying that if Trump is elected she may emigrate here.
We have no room (house) for her and all her compatriots who will also want to do likewise. At the moment we are full up and cannot accommodate or adequately employ the people that we have, so it is totally irresponsible to allow in any extras.

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I don't think she would qualify. John Key&Co seem to think we need more third world Taxi drivers, gas pumpers, $2 shop operators and sex workers. Apparently we Kiwis can't do that sort of stuff.

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You forget that most of our taxi drivers were in fact accountants, lawyers, and nuclear physicists in their former countries. So an American Supreme Court Judge could quite easily score a job driving for Co-op Taxis on a Friday night.

Assuming they can adapt to driving on the correct side of the road...

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When is Kim.Com going back?

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...Someone never learnt the concept of hyperbole, obviously.

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When are we as a country going to have an adult conversation about immigration?
John Key has straight out refused to even consider putting the brakes on it. Then we have Hisco (ANZ Head Honcho) saying, in an otherwise excellent opinion piece "Immigration has been great for New Zealand" without a shred of supporting evidence and in the face of treasury's observation that it was of no benefit at best.
https://croakingcassandra.com/2016/07/04/immigration-is-a-good-thing-an…

We have heaps of permanent and temporary immigrants working in our area Far North - it's now got so that a lot of jobs are not even advertised locally but get taken by foreigners. Our local paper and the trademe job ads show next to nothing available. This is crazy, the Nats clearly didn't get the message when their "shoe in" candidate was soundly dumped and we put Winston in up here. Bring on the election!

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When are we as a country going to have an adult conversation about immigration?

At election time Kiwidave. At election time. It's the only time our MP's have to come out from their hiding places and answer a few questions (as dubiously as they can). The rest of the time, NZ media and public to a great degree just plod on

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When? At the same time we have a adult conversation about Superannuation - Not under John.

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Plenty of Super for everyone!, IF we means tested by making anyone with investment properties excluded.

Even if they sell up just prior to applying I would make a rule that forces the handing over of 10 years previous banks records on application. Any rental income excludes you.

They then have a choice. Sell before the 10 year application, or don't buy investment property at all.

Might sound draconian, but it forces money into other more productive places without encouraging more "generation rent"

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Great idea Justice ...I knew a guy ....over 65, still earning a full time salary, had the pension and "Gold Card"...had 3-4 investment properties in Auckland ...then used to brag about how little tax he paid !! .....when are the young ones going to start marching in the streets .... even though I am not in their demographic, I will be marching with them !

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Yeap, me also. Living with a generation who see no hope for the future is bad news for all. Trump will be the least of our worries as many more like him will come forth. Hillary is of course just another bad option that will continue the hopelessness.
This all has a familiar build up many will feel as what occurred from 1929-39. We all know where it lead. Look around the world right now! Things are getting messy, real....messy.

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And the immigration into NZ for Indian students is not a positive story. Many of them are completely ripped off by agents in India selling them worthless post grad degrees and promising them lucrative careers in NZ. They end up living in pretty squalid conditions and, if they are lucky, getting a job in McDonalds. Many of them are exploited with their initial first job, some only getting paid in food by a restaurant or cleaning company. I know this for a fact as I have worked with these guys. It is a money making and exploitative scheme. The government should put an end to it.

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we all have simliar experiences or conversations, but to have a public discussion you have to get past those screaming racist, or you are being xenophobia inclined

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Its a rort from start to finish. A lot of these characters end up working in the dairy or gas station or liquor store for next to nothing as you say. One recent case they were getting $1000s from their people back home to give to the dairy owner to "keep his business afloat". The pay off? The "employer" sponsors their residency.
That's right folks; our immigration is now being run by your local Indian dairy.

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i can not see how they get the projections that it will decrease, once a resident they can then sponser family in so it becomes a never ending wheel unless you tighten it right up, i would prefer they put a number on per year i.e 15k to 20k take the best then rest have to wait there turn until the next year.
that way it does not put as much presuure on infastructure and services

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Agreed. Their projections are for immigration to fall to 12,000 per year in 3 years time. What will they do if it stays at 70,000 per year which it could easily do.?

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So we have to build a city the size of Palmerston North every year to house all the immigrants. Awesome!

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Except we aren't. And having asked that, just how many Palmerston North's do you think we need before we have enough.

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Cool ah! Us tax payers will just keep paying for infrastructure to provide all these people with roading, schools, medical facilities, sewage systems and JK is even talking about contracting the work to big Chinese companies. He must think we are as thick as pig shi!. I am starting to think he is right. Our media certainly are thick as. Our media are complicit for there lack of accurate and totally bias reporting.

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That's the part that makes me sick. As if we didn't have thousands of young people just starting out who'd jump at the chance to learn a trade, but there's been a propaganda campaign demonising them as lazy and useless. Bollocks they are.

If we're going to import ridiculously high numbers of people, then in the name of flippin' sanity could we at least do something to absorb and accommodate them?? Last time this happened, with the influx of British immigrants in the 60s (in a time of actual labour shortages, unlike now) they built whole high-rise blocks in Wellington for them, and they're still in use as council flats.

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Where did the idea that building houses, infrastructure etc was part of providing jobs for people go? That that sort of activity IS the economy. What do they do after sh*t loads of pre fab houses have been imported to house people, and the Chinese have built the roads, the hospitals, the water schemes, the sewage? Rinse and repeat to keep up the illusion of growth? The only way I can think of to describe it all is, it just isn't organic (in a manner of speaking). It's nuts, it's like Key has no notion of how an economy and society kind of rely on each other..

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True that Pocket Aces. Building infrastructure creates jobs but not wealth. Its just more expense for our productive enterprises to support.

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What is the wealth for?

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ha ha you remind me of the many arguments I had with young people when JK sold the power companies to fund the as he put it buying new assets. I ask those same people what he brought and where the money went and they can not tell me.
as someone who profited off that snowjob I feel sorry for his young sheeple that wont realize what he did until years from now, even though they know I made off the deal, at the end of the day they put him in power so its there fault not mine

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Quickest path to live in NZ

A&B is partner. A paid small fee to an agent and came to NZ as a student, sponsor B under partner of student work visa.
B is legally work in NZ, try all possible ways to get a job under immigration skilled category ( incl. underpay job, buy a job offer, payment upfront and repay in monthly wage … etc)
B entitled NZ residency within 12 months. Then assist A applies residence under partnership. A few months later, A start pay local student fee to complete the degree.
Under two years time, one degree + student part time work income + two NZ residency. How good is that can be?

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Does any other country allow an international student to bring the spouse on a work visa ? What craziness is this ? Going on for the last few years and no one has questioned it ? What are the opposition MPs doing ? Everyone seems to be complicit in this rort to sell residency cheaply in the most sought after country...Time for a binding referendum on Immigration policies.

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Listen to Stephen Joyce about the skill shortage and the careful immigration setting New Zealand has. The man is an economic millstone around our necks.

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Good, Hope much more of the 650,000+ Kiwis in Australia move back home to New Zealand.

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more likely you will also get an increase as many many people come here to become a resident to move to australia. that is why your government cracked down years ago on payments and made us second class citizens over there, cant say i dont blame them
and in case you didnt notice it has always been more go to australia than return, contary to what JK spins to the sheeple

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It's just one big scam. First all we know that students are not students. They coming to here to work full time. Some of them even did spend one day to study here. It's like bloody joke. The so called visitors are brides to stay permanently, other are investors with big bags of cash to laundry they dirty money. Some visitors also are not visitors and looking for a job.
They use overseas driving license and they use fake driving license, many migrans from India, China and other countries have fake id.
We just pretending that we like tropical Thailand or Bali where people want to come as tourist or our education is the best in the world and it's why people coming here to study.

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Shonkey well be hoping wages continue to be driven down and cost of housing up; creating "a better future":)

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Yeap he's creating "A blighted future"

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if only tertiary studies were cheaper to NZers.. but it seems the immigration backdoor is not sharing its profits with the society and it's creating future problems by doing their business.

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Even if everyone benefited monetarily from immigration it's selling out the silverware. It eventually lowers living standards and creates a cultural problems.

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All we're doing is importing unemployment. The immigration pathways are riddled with scams, who knows how many people coming in and being exploited in fake jobs while somebody pockets a kickback. If there's really a need for all these chefs, then why is some enormous percentage unemployed three years later, but somehow we need more? Because somebody's pocketing a fee for offering a fake job for long enough to qualify.

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Open Fact, students come here not to study but to get PR. First they pay for study and than for job letter. It is a big racket and no one complains as government gets money, educational institute where newzealanders normally don't go are running by such students and than local businessmen gets cheap labour and also money to give job offer. Most Travel Agency and Restaurant - main earning comes from job letter and are running business as a cover up - no wonder they are the cheapest as do not want profit and no wages as have cheap or free labor

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More migration sign of prosperity - JK.

No debate, no discussion as JK is always right.

Rest all inclusing RBNZ, people running bank and all other experts are........

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I've been hearing of quite a few Indians buying higher value properties in the Eastern Surburbs. Believe it or not Auckland property quite cheap relative to Central Mumbai and I know where I would prefer to live.

http://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/compare_cities.jsp?country1=I…

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The national parties ponzi scheme continues unabated

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At least we have no politicians who have benefited from Mummy's miner indiscretions. and got a knighthood to boot...or have we...the Daddy of em all..

Mark their words.

At no10 in the hot parade..."Hush now baby do not cry."...mummy's protecting you, from beyond..all recognition....and no matter how grave...from beyond the grave.

http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2016/07/20/no10-files-on-mark-thatchers-busin…

Shh...pass it on....but quietly...now. Please do not shout...it ain;t British, nor Conservatively Speaking.

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The problem is that, shamefully, half of NZers are morons who think it would be nice if NZ looked like Mumbai. They don't realise that would bring incredible competition to survive and generate wages from NZs limited natural resources. They don't seem to appreciate that every time the population of NZ doubles the share of NZ each NZer owns halves. I don't think that they realise they might one day have to live in the future NZ slums with much of our future population - in a country that won't be able to afford to pay everyone superannuation.

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Even better Robt - the population doesn't even need to increase one bit for NZ'ers to loose (ZS) their piece of the pie given our desire to sell as much as possible to the highest overseas buyer!

Given that I can't afford to buy, but a foreigner can, they now own more of the country than I do...

Some of the adverts on the radio promoting direct real-estate listings to Chinese buyers are ridiculous...are we massively selling ourselves out or what?

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Last year the Chinese spent 17 billion acquiring businesses in the U.S.They then bring a lot of the staff from China.
This year alone they have spent 29 billion with lot more still to be spent.
It's a way for the Chinese people to get out of the hole that China is.

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I am shocked that net migrant numbers have reached over 70,000 !
I see DEBT has risen a further 8% in the past 12 months & RE Agents have posted record commissions.
I see that the SuperCity Unitary plan is STILL just a PLAN !
I am sure the extra hospitals schools and everything else required infra structurally will be on the slow burner tied up like the cities unitary plan.
Intensification of Auckland will prove the last straw for any past quality of life Auckland used to offer.
There is plenty of land and what normally is done is satellite cities are built with a connecting freeway system. There is a lot of land between Silverdale and Albany which has a main highway running along side for a start.
What happened to The Knowledge Wave Labour & National once talked about ?
Life moves on I am happy to say bye bye to Auckland its been let down by both its leadership & central govt

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