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While we await expected floating rate cuts, ASB has trimmed its fixed home loan rates. We ask readers to share actual banking app rate offers, to shine a light on an opaque corner of the mortgage market

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While we await expected floating rate cuts, ASB has trimmed its fixed home loan rates. We ask readers to share actual banking app rate offers, to shine a light on an opaque corner of the mortgage market
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[Updated with revised Westpac fixed rates in the table below.]

ASB has announced cuts to their fixed rate mortgage card. But they are actually only matching ANZ's recent reductions.

We will no doubt be getting more fixed rate changes later in the day, or the week, after the dust settles on the Official Cash Rate cut fallout which will come after 2pm and the Reserve Bank's Monetary Policy Review.

But the more important changes to fixed rates are happening 'in the shadows' and away from the rate cards.

Customers with a home loan can see updated offers from their bank in their bank app. And these often offer significant discounts from the rate cards published.

Banks do this to retain their existing clients. The power of the low-friction app is strong, and it is very easy to just 'accept' the app offer, especially when it looks so much better than the rate card. Savvy price-setting psychology is being used here. These advantages make it very hard for other banks to get the opportunity to compete.

This is probably why home loan rate cards are now coalescing around rate levels for each term that are little different between institutions. The 'real action' is off-card.

So we are asking readers to help shine a light on this opaque practice. Please note actual bank-app offers in the comment stream below and we will add them to our table. This should give borrowers a stronger view of where the mortgage rate market really is.

Back to ASB, they also cut their term deposit offers Wednesday as well, largely matching ANZ, but there are some minor variances.

Almost all banks will have some flexibility in their rate offers. So the carded rates are just the start. Negotiate. How flexible they may be will depend on the strength of your financials.

One useful way to make sense of the changed home loan rates is to use our full-function mortgage calculator which is below. Term deposit rates can be assessed using this calculator.

And if you already have a fixed term mortgage that is not up for renewal at this time, our break fee calculator may help you assess your options. Break fees will be minimal in a rising market. But they become important in a falling market, like now. Don't forget, when you sign up for a fixed rate you are signing a contract. You have been given the right to break it in legislation but the bank has the right to reclaim its costs when you do so. This is NOT evidence of banks making it hard to switch (as some borrowers, and sadly some journalists seem to think).

Here is the updated snapshot of the lowest advertised fixed-term mortgage rates on offer from the key retail banks at the moment. (Be aware that the reader-reported rates are unofficial and may be quite fuzzy themselves.)

Fixed, below 80% LVR 6 mths   1 yr   18 mth  2 yrs   3 yrs  4 yrs  5 yrs 
as at October 9, 2024, 10:00am % % % % % % %
               
ANZ 6.75 6.19 5.89 5.69 5.69 6.19 6.19
current reader-reported rates 6.69 5.59 5.69 5.59      
ASB  6.75
-0.10
6.19
-0.16
5.89
-0.10
5.69
-0.10
5.69
-0.10
5.69 5.69
current reader-reported rates 6.65 6.09 5.75 5.65 5.59 5.59 5.59
6.75 6.19 5.89 5.79 5.79 5.69 5.69
current reader-reported rates   6.05 5.75        
Kiwibank 6.85 6.29   5.79 5.79 5.69 5.69
current reader-reported rates   5.94   5.44      
Westpac 6.75
-0.10
6.19
-0.10
5.89
-0.10
5.69
-0.10
5.69
-0.10
5.59
-0.10
5.59
-0.10
current reader-reported rates 6.75 6.19 5.89 5.69 5.69    
               
Bank of China  6.75 6.25 5.95 5.75 5.75 5.65 5.65
China Construction Bank 6.89 6.45 5.99 5.99 5.89 6.40 6.40
Co-operative Bank 6.75 6.19 5.99 5.75 5.69 5.69 5.69
Heartland Bank   6.19 5.89 5.69 5.69    
ICBC  6.69 6.15 5.85 5.69 5.69 5.69 5.69
  SBS Bank 6.75 6.35 5.89 5.69 5.69 5.69 5.69
  6.85 6.29 6.09 5.79 5.79 5.69 5.69

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44 Comments

If the market leads the RB, does that mean the RB is too slow to act? Like by 6-12months? Imagine if they'd made the first cut about a year ago, and two more since then, perhaps the economy wouldn't have crashed so hard. They seem to have no foresight.

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Circa 12 months ago, the CPI was over 7% and was looking to go higher. The RBNZ had tried to 'look through' a CPI of 4% when the OCR was 0.25% in the years before that and had to chase the bolted inflationary horse. Were they going to take the chance that they were just as wrong at 7% as they were at 4%?

Here's the wonderful thing about Financial Markets and Life in general - no one actually knows what's going to happen. We spend most of our time looking at what has happened and trying to extrapolate what's coming. But if there's one thing we do know for certain - it's that it's all easy looking back.

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Agree. Their mandate is inflation (and financial stability), not saving the economy. The National government had just specifically stated that. So while it was fairly certain a while ago that inflation was on its way out, they had no inclination to gamble. If they still had full employment in their mandate it may have been different...

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"Here's the wonderful thing about Financial Markets and Life in general - no one actually knows what's going to happen. "

Hang on, Interest rates control inflation. So this was not only known, it was engineered. Unless of course that whole theory is made up.

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Hi DC, great to see you are finally adding reader reported rates into your tables. The online rates on all the banks websites are so far off what they are actually giving customers, that they are almost redundant in a lot of cases.

One only needs to hop onto reddit or the property investor fb group to see what the rates customers are actually getting - people are updating on a near daily basis at the moment, due to the massive delta between the 'bs' website rate, and the true in app/contracted rate at settlement. 

It would be good if you could populate more of the true rates , so readers can get a sense of what is actually happening in the market. 

I'm seeing:
anz: 5.59 1yr, 5.69 18mth, 5.59 2yr
bnz; 6.05 1yr, 5.75 18mth
kiwi; 5.94 1yr, 5.44 2yr
 

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Who remembers when petrol stations were playing these shenanigans, before Gaspy? Relying on word of mouth that the pump price was actually 20c lower than the sign...

Then again, our brokers always got us much better than carded rates. Online banking has just made the haggling process automatic and more consistent.

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ANZ 1 year 5.59%. More than 1% lower than 2 months ago and a serious discount!

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This is a bank supposedly making too much profit, yet the challenger banks and Kiwibank are struggling to compete.

The idea that NZ needs more competition and NZ ownership in banking, supermarkets, etc seems flawed to me. Its hard enough for one or two companies to get any real scale.  Imagine for example replacing Bunnings Warehouse with 4 smaller NZ owned hardware chains, would prices go down? 

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Imagine if Bunnings and Mitre 10 were the only 2 chains. No Placemakers, Carters, ITM.

What would we be paying then?

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Feels a bit like when your campfire just won't catch so you chuck a can of petrol on it. ANZ obviously wants this to be a blockbuster spring sales season at any price...

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ANZ 1 year is 5.59% 

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For a bit of prospective (rural loan) Rabobank 1yr 6.71%

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That is a pretty good rate DFJ. What are the longer term rates being offered by Rabo for the rural lending?

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2yr 6.4%,3yr 6.28%,4yr 6.31%.- Obviously everyone's margin is different & this is their all in one account (term & od combined)Also this is interest only.Cheers

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The original intention of the Central Banks was to be the Lender of Last Resort to stop economic collapse. And that was supposed to come at suitably sobering rates, if that was required. Not to be the commercial market's hand-holder and guide.

The RBNZ could just as easily look at the reductions in the retail market going on (this story) and say to themselves that their policy is working just as intended. They have left the commercial market to do the work it always should have been doing. So why do anything at all to the OCR?

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ANZ - Portal Rates

6mths - 6.69

1 Yr - 5.59

18mths - 5.79

2 Yrs - 5.69

The 1 yr margin against swap is the lowest I have seen for a while.

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My app says ASB 1 year fixed rate is 6.09%. Expect they are going to need to move soon. Hope so.

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Me too. Beating ANZ would be ideal

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If you ring them they would know about that rate and perhaps match

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Yea, they're gonna need to do much better than this tbh. 

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Margins are massive for banks at the moment. 
if we compared the swap rate for 3 year for instance the gap between the 3 year fixed rate and the swap rate is a full 1.0 percent bigger than is was last time the swap rate was at this level in April 2022 when swaps were on the march up. 

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Yep, same old story. Aussie owned banks milking us dry

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Westpac in app this morning:

6mth - 6.75

1yr - 6.19

18mth - 5.89

2yr - 5.69

3yr - 5.69

4yr - 5.69

5yr - 5.69

The only change in last 10 days is 6 month dropping from 6.85 to 6.75. Note this is for a $240k~ balance and strong financials, IE would think this is as discounted as it gets in app currently. Would think/hope they will catch up to the rest this week, PITA moving it otherwise... 

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$240k is classified as a small loan on the books, so you won't get the sharpest offered in app. You could trying pushing with a real person but likely not going to get much better given the size of the loan.

Generally I am seeing ~$500k having some movement and loans around ~$1mil are getting best results. 

There was a report from interest.co.nz recently that the prior 1 or 2 years has seen the most activity of people hopping banks, and it feels a bit like the job market, where if you stay in a role (bank) you get a 0.25 cash back and ok rate, but if you jump roles (bank) you get 0.9 cash back and the most aggressive rates... similar you may get a 2-3% increase in salary at current job, but jump and get 10-20% pay increase..

Loyalty is long gone & not rewarded, alongside company super schemes that are all but gone these days. 

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I haven't seen a case where one commentator here got a different app offer to another from the same bank on the same day. Everyone seems to be reporting the same offers. I don't think the app offers look at your balance etc. 

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Same offers as OP here in Westpac app.  Also ~200K and good financials.  Wife & I have started referring to them as 'preview rates' - IE you get to see them a week or so before they become the carded rates.  Big deal. 

Today/tomorrow could be different story though thanks to the OCR, ANZ 12mth deal etc as others have noted...

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You might not have seen if specifically on here, but trust me, from first hand experience I am seeing it day in day out. If I knew how to post images to this forum, I would - which would show that some people are getting 6.09 vs 5.59 from ANZ alone. The other banks are the same.

Take a step back and think about it from a business point of view anyhow. Would you offer person A with $50k of debt , the same level of service as customer B with $1.5mil of debt? Of course not. One brings in $3k of interest payments a year , the other $90k @6%. Now extrapolate this to home owner A with 1 property and $50k of debt at 60years old, vs home owner B with 5 properties at 40yrs old. So yes everyone does get different rates.

Edit* - see below commentators with ASB, who have got different offers available to them - confirming my points.

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There is a case for a discrimination claim in there somewhere.

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I'm not sure there is. Much like any other business, those who pay more get better deals. If you go to your local Audi dealer to get your new RS6 its 6 month service you're far more likely to be offered a coffee and brioche than someone bringing in their 12 year old A3 for a WOF. A better deal is offered because there's more fat in the sale to give away, and thus keep the customer.

(Yes I know the A3 is likely to fail the WOF since it's outside its warranty, but you get the idea.)

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I don’t see how. I wish it was illegal but it’s not and certainly who all the data they have these days on us it’s certainly more common. 
the most blatant example in our family’s life is the McDonald’s app. People who don’t use the app very often get much cheaper “deal” prices in the McDonald’s app then people who go to McDonald’s much more often. 
they count on the fact people are creatures of habit and don’t like changing so milk existing customers for all they are worth. 

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The ASB customer that got different rates seemed to be on floating. You only get the good offers if you are on fixed and are one or two months out from fixed expiry. I had exactly this happen to me with ASB; I didn't take their offer, went to floating, and got worse (carded) offers in the app. I had to ring and beg to get the previous app offers.

I get that everyone should get different offers, and if you go through a broker or contact centre you probably will. But I am still yet to see an example of it happening in the app, everyone seems to be getting the same offers. 

Its quite probable that they give low equity customers a different offer as they are not eligible for the same carded rates, or maybe they get no offer and they have to ring?

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Jimbo mate, hop onto personalfinanceNZ Reddit and you'll see people posting that they have different rates in app vs other commentators. Same story on the Property Investor Chat Group NZ on Facebook. Both have real life recent examples of screenshots showing different rates between customers. You can see if there mate

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OK I will believe you, I'm not really that fussed TBH. But it looks to me that the vast majority get the same offer, maybe only the very high risk and very high value customers get something special. 

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I suspect lots of terms & conditions with some rates. You probably don't get a great rate with only $150K to go. Apparently that special rate only pops up when your mortgage is about to roll over.

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I've only got $56 k to go and are getting the anz 1 year offer.

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ASB rates in App today with small portion coming up for refixing (tomorrow)

6mo: 6.65% (recently dropped down from 6.75%)

12mo: 6.09%

18mo: 5.75%

24mo 5.65%

36-60mo: 5.59%

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ASB In-App, small loan. These are the same as they were for a week, not yet updated today.
6.65% - 6 months
6.09% - 12 months
5.75% - 18 months
5.65% - 24 months
5.59% - 36 months
5.59% - 48 months
5.59% - 60 months

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ASB in app 6-60mth

6.75 / 6.19 / 5.89 / 5.69 / 5.69 / 5.69 / 5.69

850k combined lending, all currently floating at 7.59 negotiated variable 

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Hear me  out... class action law claim against all banks for FALSE advertising (ie carded vs offered rates)

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And every other business in the world that has a 'price' and a negotiated price. common man

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Why?  The consumer is not out of pocket when they get a discount from the carded rate?  

I bought some GIB Goldline corner trims over the weekend, they were $6.79 each on the shelf but when I put them through my account I paid $5.09.  That's false advertising!

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Been a bit out of the loop recently, but what has got everyone so certain it's going to be 50bp today? With no massive change in the data since last time, I would have thought the default would be 25bp, with the potential for a bigger cut in November depending on CPI. Has something changed or is it all just hype and groupthink from the banks and their ponzi pals? 

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@David, updates as of this morning

BNZ
 6.69 - 6mth

6.09 1yr

5.58 18mth
5.69 2yr

5.65 3yr

5.59 4yr

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@David

ASB this morning
6.59 - 6mth
5.99 - 12mth
5.75 - 18mth
5.59 - 2/3/4yr

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