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Wednesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: 'Just forgive the debt'; Why the Fed's 'Twist' won't work to create jobs; Goldman's China doubts; Animal and Beaker sing Yellow; Dilbert

Wednesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: 'Just forgive the debt'; Why the Fed's 'Twist' won't work to create jobs; Goldman's China doubts; Animal and Beaker sing Yellow; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at midday in association with NZ Mint.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

The Muppets are still there at number 10. Animal and Beaker do a Coldplay song. Yes!

1. Forgive the debt - Bloomberg writes an editorial calling on the US government to allow (now state-owned) Fannie Mae and Freddie to write off the principal on millions of under-water home loans.

The idea is it will encourage a bunch of zombie consumers to go out and spend.

Fair enough. But apart from the fact this is another state bailout of individuals, the real problem is a lack of income for America's middle classes.

Something much deeper is required that involves a shift of profit share back to employees in some way.

That requires (politically difficult) tax increases and some form of income transfer.

Or some form of wage increase and profit reduction directly.

The last time this happened was the first 50 years of the 20th century and it took a long time. There was a couple of world wars. And capitalists got a little bit worried about the rise of Communism before they gave back some of the profit share.

Here's Bloomberg:

A better strategy -- one that would truly be in the best interests of lenders and mortgage investors -- would be to avert foreclosures by writing down the principal on loans. Consider, for example, a $100,000 loan on a house that’s now worth $60,000. A 50 percent writedown, assuming it made the loan affordable to the borrower, would leave the lender with an asset worth $50,000 and a homeowner motivated to invest time and effort in increasing the house’s value.

That’s a lot more than the lender would probably recover by ultimately selling the house after years of foreclosure costs and further depreciation. As of August, recoveries on defaulted loans made in 2006 and 2007 without government guarantees averaged 34 percent of the original balance, and were headed down, according to data compiled by Amherst Securities Group LP.

If done on a grand scale, principal reductions would go a long way toward eliminating the debt burden that is hindering the recovery. To give a sense of magnitude, some 13.3 million U.S. mortgage borrowers owe almost as much as or more than their homes are worth, according to data provider CoreLogic. Writedowns for all of them could cut the country’s ratio of household debt to disposable income from the current 115 percent to a more sustainable 100 percent.

2. Dumping the euro is not as easy as it sounds - FTAlphaville reports UBS reckons the economic and political costs of carving up the euro zone would be enormous.

They suggest the odd war and a 50% drop in GDP for those countries that leave...

Here's a taste:

Past instances of monetary union break-ups have tended to produce one of two results. Either there was a more authoritarian government response to contain or repress the social disorder (a scenario that tended to require a change from democratic to authoritarian or military government), or alternatively, the social disorder worked with existing fault lines in society to divide the country, spilling over into civil war. These are not inevitable conclusions, but indicate that monetary union break-up is not something that can be treated as a casual issue of exchange rate policy.

The UBS team point out that, economic modelling is not much use for a currency break-up and there are few historical references. Nonetheless, they have come up with a very rough estimate of the cost of the departure from the euro.

For a southern European country they put the initial cost at €9,500 to €11,500 per citizen, rising to €3,00 to €4000 per person each year thereafter because of higher risk premia and trade stagnation. To put those figures into perspective that equates to a range of 40 per cent to 50 per cent of GDP in the first year.

3. Goldman doom mongering - Goldman Sachs' hedge fundie types presented a slide pack to investors last week that included plenty of food for thought, including some big doubts about China. Someone should send this to John Key. HT Zerohedge.

GS_StateOf the Markets

4. What's the point?- Bloomberg reports the much talked about 'twist' strategy likely to come out of the Fed later this month will do little to create jobs.

The theory is the Fed will sell short term Treasuries and buy long term Treasuries to push long term rates even lower. Remember they're under 2% for the 10 year Treasury yield already so you have to wonder what an even lower rate would achieve...

But here's the thinking via Bloomberg:

The Fed may decide at its Sept. 20-21 meeting to replace short-term Treasury securities in its $1.65 trillion portfolio with long-term bonds in a bid to lower rates on everything from mortgages to car loans, said economists at Wells Fargo & Co., T. Rowe Price Associates Inc., Barclay’s Capital Inc. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. The Fed’s influence on the economy will probably be muted as sagging consumer confidence, depressed home values and 6 million workers unemployed for six months or more weigh on demand.

“The problem is that rates have been low for three years now and that isn’t spurring people to buy,” said John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo in Charlotte, N.C. “Companies won’t hire unless demand is there. The Fed can lower the cost of credit, but it can’t force companies to create jobs.”

5. Direct oil payments - Here's an idea. CNN reports economists are suggesting making direct payments of Libyan oil revenues to individual Libyans to avoid another Gaddafi and his mates capturing it and putting it into gold plated jacuzzis on private jets.  It would be similar to the Alaskan solution where oil cheques go direct to Alaskans.

One idea is to credit mobile phone accounts. Wow. That would be some serious texting you'd be able to do.

Giving direct payments to Libyans, Subramanian and Moss argue, is a way for a new government in Tripoli to foster closer economic ties with its citizens - through taxes.

Taxes create an incentive for the government to make broad improvements across the economy to increase government revenues. And, as the Tea Party phenomenon in the U.S. shows, taxes create a populace that is deeply interested in how government spends its cash. "They are going to watch the government like a hawk," Moss said. "If one year people get a $500 check (from oil revenues) and the next year they get $400, they're going to wonder why."

"People think (an oil find) is Manna from heaven, so you don't need to tax," Subramanian says. "But that severs that two-way relationship between the governed and those who are governed."

Two practical problems to giving away oil cash: Convincing leaders it's in their best interests, and the modalities of getting that cash to citizens. "The latter is actually the easiest ... there's been a lot of advances in biometrics, such as iris scanning and fingerprinting, along with e-banking through cell phones," Moss said.

6. Australia's resource curse - The Australian reports China's Ansteel has dropped plans for a steel plant in Western Australia to process local iron ore because of Australia's high currency.

Shock and horror, but it turns out it's cheaper to export it raw to China and use Chinese steel mills. That's what happens when Australia has a free floating currency and China pegs its currency to the US dollar.

When will we ever learn? We naive Australasians believe the world's trading and capital flow systems are flat and fair. They are not.

It is every man for himself and the sooner we realise that the better.

The Australian has been told that Ansteel never seriously pursued the idea of building the integrated iron and steel plant and rolling mill, which would have been fed with magnetite iron ore from Ansteel's half-owned Karara project in the Mid-West.

Industry sources said it would be cheaper for Ansteel to ship iron ore from Karara back to its steel mills in China rather than process it into steel products in Australia.

7. Earlier perfect storm - Bloomberg reports Nouriel Roubini, the economist who predicted the Global Financial Crisis in 2008, has pulled forward his forecast for a perfect storm in 2013 and says massive stimulus is needed or there will be another Great Depression.

Hmmm. Debt-fueled growth. Good idea? It might make sense if the spending was on high quality infrastructure that lifted the long term growth rate of the economy, otherwise we're just passing on even bigger debts to the next generations with a slow growth rate as well.

“I thought a few months ago that the perfect storm would be 2013,” Roubini said in an interview in London today. “But now, the economic weakness in the U.S., euro zone and the U.K. is front loaded. So we’re going to double dip earlier. The climax of it could be 2013, or it could be already earlier. It depends on what policy tools are available.”

“You need to restore economic growth, not five years from now, you need to restore it today,” Roubini said. “In the short term, we need to do massive stimulus, otherwise there’s going to be another Great Depression. Things are getting worse and the big difference between now and a few years ago is that this time around we’re running out of policy bullets.”

8. An insider's deeply pessimistic view - Congressional Republican staffer Mike Lofgren has retired after 28 years in Congress and written this startling piece of whistle blowing at Truth-Out about his own party and Congress in general.

Any New Zealand Free Trade Deal negotiators who think America's system of politics and government is remotely fair or good needs to read this. We need to be very wary of American public policy. It has turned deeply toxic to itself and others.

This is today's must read via Truth-out: HT Troy via email.

To those millions of Americans who have finally begun paying attention to politics and watched with exasperation the tragicomedy of the debt ceiling extension, it may have come as a shock that the Republican Party is so full of lunatics. To be sure, the party, like any political party on earth, has always had its share of crackpots, like Robert K. Dornan or William E. Dannemeyer. But the crackpot outliers of two decades ago have become the vital center today: Steve King, Michele Bachman (now a leading presidential candidate as well), Paul Broun, Patrick McHenry, Virginia Foxx, Louie Gohmert, Allen West. The Congressional directory now reads like a casebook of lunacy.

It was this cast of characters and the pernicious ideas they represent that impelled me to end a nearly 30-year career as a professional staff member on Capitol Hill. A couple of months ago, I retired; but I could see as early as last November that the Republican Party would use the debt limit vote, an otherwise routine legislative procedure that has been used 87 times since the end of World War II, in order to concoct an entirely artificial fiscal crisis. Then, they would use that fiscal crisis to get what they wanted, by literally holding the US and global economies as hostages.

The debt ceiling extension is not the only example of this sort of political terrorism. Republicans were willing to lay off 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, 70,000 private construction workers and let FAA safety inspectors work without pay, in fact, forcing them to pay for their own work-related travel - how prudent is that? - in order to strong arm some union-busting provisions into the FAA reauthorization.

9. No Texan miracle - Paul Krugman does a nice job of pointing out that Texas' economic miracle isn't that much of a miracle and it's not something Texan Governor Rick Perry can use to ride to glory as Republican Presidential candidate next year. Krugman does say, however, that the lack of restrictions on new housing developments helped keep housing costs low. Hugh P will be pleased.

The rest of Texas' policies aren't so smart though.

Here's a taste:

So where does the notion of a Texas miracle come from? Mainly from widespread misunderstanding of the economic effects of population growth.

For this much is true about Texas: It has, for many decades, had much faster population growth than the rest of America -- about twice as fast since 1990. Several factors underlie this rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.

And just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with a low cost of living. In particular, there's a good case to be made that zoning policies in many states unnecessarily restrict the supply of housing, and that this is one area where Texas does in fact do something right.

10. Totally my Muppet Favourites (Beaker and Animal) do a great version of Yellow by Coldplay

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This is a cracker from Bill Gross at PIMCO.

He points out that the Fed's two year rates freeze pledge has flattened the yield curve so much that the usual banking lark of borrowing cheap at short maturities and lending long at higher rates has been wiped out.

Funnily enough, this curve flattening reduces credit growth, Gross points out.

Ben's helicopter may have just crashed into the economy, leaving a smoking mess.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04868cd6-d7b2-11e0-a06b-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1XDtM4HvA
 

Pilot Bernanke has changed planes from a fixed wing to a rotor-based helicopter by “conditionally” freezing policy rates for at least the next two years. As such the front end of the curve has for all intents and purposes become inert and worst of all flat as opposed to steeply positive. Two-year yields are the same as overnight fund rates allowing for no incremental gain – a return that leveraged banks and lending institutions have based their income and expense budgets on. A bank can no longer borrow short and lend two years longer at a profit.

Common-sensically, an observer might simply suggest that the bank lend even longer with similar risk as before the conditional freeze, but regulators frown on these maturity extensions and discourage them either explicitly via regulations or implicitly via moral suasion.

The conundrum is not limited to leveraged lending institutions. Even investment firms such as Pimco have client guidelines in many cases that impose maturity caps. Short maturity accounts, for instance, might logically benefit by purchasing three- or four-year maturities at presumably similar historical risk as two-year notes, but prospectuses, and slow to change committee structures forbid the maturity extension. The net result, for both banks and investment firms is to reduce financial system leverage. This should be positive on a long-term basis, but negative in the near-term as credit is in effect destroyed as opposed to created.

By flooring maturities out to two years then, and perhaps longer as a result of maturity extension policies envisioned in a forthcoming operation twist later this month, the Fed may in effect lower the cost of capital, but destroy leverage and credit creation in the process. The further out the Fed moves the zero bound towards a system wide average maturity of seven to eight years the more credit destruction occurs, to a US financial system that includes thousands of billions of dollars of repo and short-term financed-based lending that has provided the basis for financial institution prosperity.

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You cannae change the laws of banking physics

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Where will the banker bonuses come from if you can't borrow from the Fed short term and lend to the Treasury for 2 yrs for a lazy 0.5% risk free?

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@#1

The unintended blowback from this is that everyone is forgetting there are possibly millions of Americans in the midst of the greatest unintended stimulus in history of modern monetary policy.  There are millions of Americans that hanta made a mortgage payment for more than 18 months. These Americans have thousands of dollars in disposable income per month. So What makes anyone think by bringing these people back into the fold of mortgage payment is going to work and create jobs if having them live rent free for over a year in a half has done so already?

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Yep, and it's moral hazard a go-go.

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It’s worse the moral hazard, its moral hazard on human growth hormones. BTW I don’t blame the homeowner for gaming the system. My point is that there is an invisible stimulus of probably $500,000,000 USD a month for the last 18 months directly injected into local economies across the US and that hasn’t worked. And now there talking about taking those monies away to “create Jobs”. They tried giving the money to the rich and that hasn’t work ether.

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If you are right on that sum, (but I think it sounds too high) URL? then in effect that is a huge under the carpet stimulus that has at best just about kept the US economy afloat...like ouch if thats taken out....even 1/10th that is a decent stimulus, over a year, 720million....that would be about the size of Obama's stimulus in 2009....every year...

regards

 

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Troy,

Thats assuming those who get a mortgage free moratoriam actually have an income with which to spend. Many American's have now probably run through their savings, whilst their unemployment benefits entitlements have also ended. 

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Good point...

regards

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And the Germans seem determined to crash the euro  HT Andrewj  to an Ambrose story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8745695/German-auste…

German finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble has vowed to halt rescue payments to Greece unless the country complies totally with the EU-IMF demands, brushing aside warnings that a Greek collapse would set off a disastrous chain reaction and a global banking crisis.
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Great Irish Roulette....(lets use an automatic)....

regards

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 ....brushing aside warnings that a Greek collapse would set off a disastrous chain reaction and a global banking crisis.

...and bloody why not !!! - there are too many of these bastards anyway incl. many of the ones, who sit in it.

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Paying oil revenue to Libyan citizens will not stop that society producing another political piece of crap as a boss man. I watched as the locals in Tripoli were almost kissing the ring finger of a some sod from the eastern region who was according to Nato one of the 'new' governing body of parasites. I give it just two years before the next bag of wind in a military uniform tarted up with trinkets and bunting, emerges from the filth to threaten death and horror to any Libyan who refuses to love him. So please to tell me how any Libyan would be 'allowed' to hang on to any payments?

You prevent such garbage from emerging from beneath a rock with a missile and you do it day one.

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Wolly you make me laugh, because it appears you somehow make a distinction to what happened in Libya and the political theatrics you see at the culmination of the election campaign in every  "democracy".  We anarchists joke that elections are just a case of choosing who gets to screw you once you've elected a "representative". Some screw you harder than others but they all screw you. Some give you sweets to convince you to like it. Others point a gun at your head and makes you bend ever lower, the process is more prolonged and the outcomes abit more painful. Same Same. 

 

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I guess you are being serious...anarkist....yes I see a distinction....40 years of that shit gadafi is somehow not the same as 9 years of Clark..or 8 of either Bush. But then you must know your stuff.

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Wolly, obviously you think I was talking about Gaddafi when I made the rather bald metaphor of the gun held to the head of the populace. On the contrary I was referring to the fact that since the 1890s the United States has continually interfered in the civil affairs of other nations when it felt that their government or populace acted against the perceived "national interest" of the United States. Generally related to economics. Its not political ideology, its acknowledge historical fact.  

You obviously are still under the illusion that the Arab Spring was a spontaneous uprising of a disaffected populace against cruel dictators. On the contrary it was a carefully planned series of overthrows of governments who impeded the schemes of the United States, provoked and orchestrated by its intelligence agencies from the very beginning. Generally exploiting conditions they themselves perpetuated such as high unemployement and rising costs of living under Structural Adjustment Policies of the IMF.

"The government should also explore ways to contain subsidies of food and fuel products, the report noted."

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2010/car091010a.htm   Even the MSM now acknowledged that their government's had been integral in funding and financing the uprisings who supposedly desire "democracy".  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&emc=eta1

The end game is to encircle and contain the rise of the only emerging Power capable of challenging its hegemony over world affairs. China had enormous amounts of resource extraction and infrastructural development investments in Libya prior to the "Uprising" against Gaddafi. Do you think that its an coincidence? Especially since the United State's geopolitical strategy is available in the public domain. 

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubid=721

They've wanted to ouster Gaddafi from power ever since he nationalized the formerly privatized oil assets in the 1960s, but not only that but because he was one of the few rulers in the Third World capable of forging a destiny so divergent from U.S. wishes, due to his domestic support and popularity amongst other Third World goverments. Back in the 1980s, the French instigated a scheme where their intelligence chief orchestrated a consortium of nations commited to fight socialism in the Third World, read genuine independance from their former colonial masters. All of them the bastions of liberalism and democracy, not.  He then sought the support and approval of Ronald Reagan to assassinate Gaddafi, but it was not forthcoming, because the U.S. political establishment and intelligence community were under intense scrutiny due to disclosures under the Church Commission about such activities and atrocities committed by U.S. proxies in Central and Latin America. A summation of the American political establishment's antipathy towards Gaddafi, was the promise of Gerald Ford to the Shah of Iran, that should a socialist inspired overthrow of Saudi Arabia happen, the U.S. will send in the paratroops.

Domestic support, because in the words of the U.S. government, "The social security program instituted in 1957 had already provided protection superior to that available in many or most developing countries, and in the 1980s the welfare available to Libyans included much more than was provided under the social security law: work injury and sickness compensation and disability, retirement, and survivors' pensions."

 http://countrystudies.us/libya/55.htm

The Western Power's prefer their "clients" to be biddable and compliant like when they were still formally colonies, not independant and capable of forging their own independant destiny.

This same source underscored the so-called "Safari Club," the group of countries -- France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and the Shah's Iran -- which banded together to fight the spread of Soviet communism, particularly in Africa, as well as halting Gaddafi's adventures in neighboring Chad.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/assassinating_gaddafi.html

 

“Ask him about the Middle East. He is worried about Saudi Arabia. We told him we would support a paratroop operation in Saudi Arabia in a crisis. You could say you are aware of this contingency planning.” 4...Henry told me what he told you we would do if there were a Qaddafi-like development in Saudi Arabia. I reaffirm it.”

 

http://www.delbakhteiran.de/p_articles_files/PDF%20Dateien/MEJ-OilShahNixon.pdf   The Western powers have gone so far as to materially support a terrorist organisation "formerly" affiliated with al Qaeda, which is against their own laws, including having Special Forces leading these fanatics who were fighting them in Iraq and Afghanistan, in attacks against Libyan government forces.   Abu Sohaib, his nom de guerre, is on a watch list for suspected terrorists not only in Libya and its neighboring countries, but also in some European countries. He is a senior commander of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a former militant organization that once was aligned with Al Qaeda.   Yeh Wolly, I do know my stuff.
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What I have pointed out on these forums before, is that up until now America has borrowed from the world to provide 'protection' of democracy. At some point in time they will demand tribute to do the same.

That time draws closer.

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Scarfie, you mean protection to those countries willing to accept their surplus production and toppling those who won't accept it? See AndrewJ's referral to Charles Hugh Smith's recent piece on Karl Marx's theories of capitalist overaccumulation and need to offload their surplus production onto less developed countries to prevent the inevitable decline in profits. Karl Marx borrowed most of his theories from Pierre Joseph Proudhon, the first self confessed anarchist.

So one can't attack his theories by citing the example of the Soviet Union as a failed social and political establishment. The Soviets were as eager to suppress spontaneous anarchist social movements as the capitalists were. Spanish Civil War, Mao Cultural Revolution, the suppression of the Markhovist uprising in Ukraine just after the October Revolution,  a spontaneous uprising in South Korea in 1980 against the then ruling military dictatorship, which was put down with the connivance of the U.S. government, and finally Tiananmin Square crackdown, yes the Autonomous Beijing movement who led the protests had nothing to do with a wish for bourgeoisie representative democracy. The driving force of the campaign was to manifest autonomy and genuine participatory involvment in civil governance. 

 

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Yes I saw that reference to Karl Marx and have it downstairs in the Britannica Great Books. it is on the to do list.

All failed forms of governance really, and we are seeing another one in action, quite a priviledge really.

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Yes indeed you do Anarkist....tell me is it purely for observation purposes.....or can you find some tangible leverage use for it.....don't mistake me, I like your stuff........but the power of knowledge is in the doing.

A bit like observing something fall to pieces..knowing why...but allowing it to unravel uninterrupted.

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hey Christov,

If you're at all involved in political activism, being fully informed helps one remain unentangled in supporting groups and aims with are contrary to ones own worldview, Its became a common occurance throoughout Eastern Europe in the 1990s, as U.S. political strategy shifted to underground political subversion against unfriendly regimes on the geopolitical periphery and now in the Arab World after the chaos and trouble from the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan the U.S. now has to tread more carefully and make use of subtler methods to topple governments in the geopolitical core zone.

Disregard the source of the article below, just judge the content by its own merit. This is essentially what happened in Egypt and other nations in the Arab Spring. I also think it also happened in Iran back in the 1970s.

http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2010/10/14/serbia-fake-revolutions-real-struggles/

At the moment my primary focus in producing food for local consumption and I've discovered that the Food Bill that the National Party (and the Greens) is trying to sneak through Parliament shares the shadowy agenda behind the "Arab Spring" in the Middle East. Essentially consolidating power and wealth in fewer and fewer hands through the aegis of world governments. Its a composite Bill that is a compromise between two very wildly different world views, but most of it will be in favour of the dominant one. That of multinational corporations and their minions in multilateral governing bodies such as the WTO  and the United Nations.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/08/05/and-end-to-seed-exchanges/ 

 

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Cheers Anarkist will read n follow up ...thanks again for the response ...the timing shows a considered opinion.

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re 6. What China is doing (pegging to a depreciating US currency) only works while productivity increases and/or there are surplus resources to compensate for the inflationary effect of increasing the monetary base. As China (and the Swiss) will soon learn, the free lunch will be eatern up by the dragon of inflation. Asked the Argentinians about the 'benefits' of pegging to another currency.

Muldoon pegged the NZD currency, then regulated inflation, then it all fell apart.

Inflation will destroy more business than a strong stable currency ever will. Inflation hits all businesses and individuals in an economy, while a relatively strong currency is only strong against some currencies and give the exporter the options of changing customers and suppliers to take arbitrage the relative strengths of the different currencies.

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Neville you are absolutely right however try telling the “you can control everything” Bernard I am sure he is a member of the green party 

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What inflation? Switzerland did this to avoid deflation. Same with Japan.

And if everyone else does it before you do?

Bit like a game of musical. Unless you play you have no chance of winning.

We are just sitting on the sidelines like dodos waiting for our non-commodity export sectors to be killed.

If they aren't dead already.

Where do you want to kids to work?

cheers

Bernard

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He's be uh not welcome.....if they think im a facsist landlord BH is Atilla the Hun.

regards

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Your actually quite fond of the Facsist Landlord title ...are you not Steven.......enjoying  some of the fruits are we...??

Go on ya scamp...enjoy lording it over the peasants .....however naughty  it's giving you a giggle. 

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Oh it cracks me up....but in a way its good....if the rabid right in here attack me and the loony left in there attack me, and Im quite far politically from both I must be somewhere around the centre of politics......

Lord it up? I cant see how Im not a PI.....Im a peasant like everyone else......

I find it interesting that some of the extreme left or right seem unable to grasp the consquences of their actions/demands....or/and actually dont care....

Balance....has to be as fair as possible to all.....

regards

 

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 I wonder if it will be worth owning physical gold/silver in Roubini's great depression? 

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Roubini's just like BH here - one who refuses to accept that there is an underlying problem.

They're not alone - I had a meeting with Labour's David Parker recently. An honest man and one with a conscience, which puts him ahead of a lot. He said "I can't believe we're running out of energy".

I don't give a tuppeny cuss what folk 'believe', or wish for; things either is or they isn't.

Roubini is one who 'believes, obviously. He's right that there's gonna be a great depression, but, and his timing estimate ain't bad either.

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Record amount of exploration activity in NZ   -    fortunately loonies  that - quote   "don't give a tuppeny cuss what folk 'believe', or wish for; things either is or they isn't. "     arent running the show

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record amounts is what you always get with exponential growth.

Until you don't.

Numbskullery, that is.

Tell everyone who you are, Gonzo. Go on, I dare you.  

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I don't give a tuppenny cuss who goNZ is , as long as he/she/it keeps blogging here .. . Bloody good value that one !

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There's a difference between our dear little Gonzo and you, GBH.

Gonzo is a spinner of spin. You are the target market.

 

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Exploration does not equate to oil being there and of a quantity and ease to make it worthwhile to extract.

It means desperate....

Its the same with the 2010 Red Book, the exploration costs have more than doubled but there is still only 100 years at the present rate of consumption....so they have managed at best to tread water....

So what you are saying is better to have someone in charge who has no clue and is ignoring a dire problem that will cost us dearly....than have someone in charge who is aware about about the thing you want to ignore until it slaps you in the face....even though its not negoitiable....

and you think PDK is a loon....

BTW Andrew Little isnt into compulsory unionisation,

http://www.act.org.nz/news/little-endorses-voluntary-membership

“There was absolutely no equivocation in Andrew Little’s remarks; he said ‘I believe voluntary unionism - true freedom of association - gives the union movement much greater strength and a much greater moral authority.'..."

but then I think you are long gone past making honest mistakes about ppl...

regards

 

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so why is his Party wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of parliamentary time fighting a proposal to make   student association membership  voluntary then !!????

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I don't see your point?

Alchemists tried to reproduce gold for 100's of years, all the trying in the world didn't help them.

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cant or wont?

regards

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Auckland NZ's fastest growing region.

 "Auckland remains New Zealand's fastest growing region, buoyed by a strong housing market."

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10750025

Throughout the regions any gains were caused by improved housing markets and any losses were caused by weak housing markets.

So, much like the last decade, unless we buy and sell inflated property we don't have much of an economy.

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We don't have an economy. We have a housing market with bits tacked on.

Ultimately, cutting interest rates and restricting new housing supply is not going to sustainably grow an economy

cheers

Bernard.

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In which case Bernard...next time you get to ask Bill English a question..how about asking him why the govt is deliberately debasing the Kiwi$....why the govt is happy to leave the inflation target so high.....why the govt refuses to encourage a reduction in the use of credit...why the govt continues to lie about it not influencing the RBNZ with regard to the ocr......!

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Gummy's a smidgeon comefuddled on this one : You're accusing Wild Bill of debasing the Kiwi dollar ....... and Bernard is arguing for capital controls and other instruments to force the Kiwi dollar lower .....

...... have we got our wires crossed , lads .. ?

Or have I still got swamp mud in me Gummy ears , and ballsed things up meself ?

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Lay orf the plonk Gummy...govt sets Reserve bank target for inflation 'control' and the spin for the peasants points to keeping the beast under control..bollocks.... Bollard is running above the target even without the gst distorting the data...Key is on record as saying he thinks the debts will become managable in time with inflation....QED the RBNZ has instructions to let the beast have it away with the currency. To date since the start of this 'new normal' in 07 5 years have flowed under the bridge and the currency has been debased by the best part of 15%. How you like them apples?

 

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Rum is not plonk........it is medicine to a weary sailor.

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And just think Bernard, it takes 500,000 Kw/Hrs to build a new average house in Auckland. A housing economy based on limited energy.

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Found a source for the original report that the Herald article was based on, slack of them to not even say where the report came from.

http://reports.asb.co.nz/tp/download/328503/9084d70b28452fbf5d0aaee71f8…

Cripes! No wonder it feels like we are in a depression here in Northland (we are) construction down 38%, retail down 7% and house prices down 6.5%, that's on top of huge falls over the past three years.

 

 

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I couldn't work out how and what was being measured and it only vagually implies that ASB did the research. 

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Beggar thy neighbour...or in this case thy neighbouring states....companies move to texas for the cheap labour....so all it really means is un-employment is moved about....

"http://www.nationalreview.com/" thats a loon rag IMHO, an excellent article in its bias....but par for the course from you.

There has been no jobs growth in the USA in three years, but in fact job losses, so where does the 40% jobs growth claim come from?

PK hating texas, no Ive never seen such a statement from him....he just considers it a non-event....URL?

regards

 

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Like idiots for state presidents, the death penalty, ....

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ouch

Mr Schäuble rebuffed calls from the International Monetary Fund for a softening of Europe’s austerity drive. “Piling on more debt now will stunt rather than stimulate growth in the long run. Highly indebted Western democracies need to cut expenditures, increase revenues and remove structural hindrances in their economies, however politically painful,” he wrote.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8745695/German-auste…  
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How does the MASH song go?

regards

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Thanks Andrewj.

Well worth a read.  

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I was just thinking that we may be Ok, then I read this comment from Colin Riden he must have posted it this morning some time, now Im not so sure

 

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by Colin Riden | 07 Sep 11, 11:15am New 0

 

Keep up the positive spin BusinessDesk.

GlobalDairyTrade prices (USD) reached a peak on the 1st of March this year. Then the NZD:USD rate was at 0.7533 (RBNZ) which also gives the same exchange rate for the 6th September as 0.8280.

From globalDairytrade data, comparing values from the 1st of March to the 6th September (with the percentage change in brackets):

In USD prices

Weighted average price, all products: 4,826 : 3,580 (-26%)

Weighted average price all WMP products: 4,619 : 3,314 (-28%)

Contract1 (spot) WMP: 4,958 : 3,235 (-35%)

Prices in NZD (converted from USD at RBNZ's rate for the respective days)

Weighted average price, all products: 6,406 : 4,324 (-32%)

Weighted average price all WMP products: 6,132 : 4,002 (-35%)

Contract1 (spot) WMP: 6,582 : 3,907 (-40%)

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"Nouriel Roubini, the economist who predicted the Global Financial Crisis in 2008, has pulled forward his forecast for a perfect storm in 2013 and says massive stimulus is needed or there will be another Great Depression."

Whoopi! Many of us predicted the GFC back in 2006 along with US bank failure and some even earlier than that! So why do people continue to pretend this guy was the one so on the ball?

What he's saying now about massive stimulus is just plain stupid and I think his grandkids will agree. Debt's must be paid or brought down massively or a new currency created based on something real, no other way out of this. 

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What's got up the Aussies noses? The Aussie supermarkets are refusing to stock Kiwi apples, now this:

 

"Australian supermarket chain Coles has dumped New Zealand as a supplier for its house brand cheese.

New Zealand has provided about half the cheese used in the chain's generic brand, but Coles will now switch to southern New South Wales co-operative Bega Cheese as part of its "Australian first" policy."

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10750137

 

At my local New World the other day I took note of the number of Aussie products on the shelves, even stuff we produce competitively like pears, beef, canned and packaged food, cleaning products etc. Seemed like half the stuff was Aussie, often with the irritating "Proudly Australian" on the packet. Needless to say I didn't buy any of it.

How about a "New Zealand First" policy from our supermarkets?

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I agree but,

OZ has the scale where it makes sense to manufacture products (and at least its OZ made and not USA, or EU or 3rd world made) ....but the ppl with the power to make supermarkets listen are the consumers, for instance cleaning products, I aim to buy NZ made but it might well just be bulk product re-packaged into 1 litre containers in NZ for all I know.  So NZ manufacturers also need to lift their game.....the packaging can be a marketing tool....things like a commitment to NZ.....so on the label say "uses these NZ products" and not "country of orgin may vary"...

regards

 

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yep we totally need Country of Origin labelling

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Troy,

Those stories seem to have little to do with Obama's mortgage moratorium and more to do with a contractual dispute between the lender and the mortgagees. Often the originator of the mortgage have gone out of business and those who bought packages of mortgages that got collateralized by investment banks, can't produce the mortgage documentation and have no legal recourse to evict the mortgage holder. 

 

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