Two years ago, a respected ex-IMF economist said, "Put bluntly, public debt may have no fiscal cost." It is a seductive view that has been grabbed by politicians of all stipes to justify virtually unlimited spending based on raising vast amounts of debt, some of it created by their central banks.
But there are problems with deficit spending, the main one is that the benefits all go in one direction, from the young who have to pay it back in the future, to the old who are the primary beneficiaries of current spending.
There are other structural issues too. Deficit spending tends to use savings from other countries so it supresses capital formation in the deficit country, leaving them weaker for longer.
Now another respected economist is calling this "no cost" view out. Not that his argument is new, just newly stated. He says accumulating debt to pay for current expenses is like a Ponzi scheme in that money from new players (the young) is used to pay off people who started playing the game earlier (the old). The Ponzi scheme collapses when the economy’s growth rate falls below the interest rate. “For awhile it all looks great, then somebody gets nailed,” Laurence Kotlikoff says.
Kitlikoff has been joined by three other economists renewing the attack on long-term deficit spending where new debt funds current consumption needing to be paid off decades later. Financial repression becomes the favoured salve, but that does not solve the generational transfer issue; rather it exacerbates it.
To be clear, Kitlikoff and friends are not against deficit finance used to fund infrastructure or correct externalities, like global warming, or to fight a recession by spurring demand in the short term.
But they argue against the notion that public debt has no fiscal cost.
Here are the Abstracts from the two papers they offered in June, 2021, with links to the full papers.
Johannes Brumm, Xiangyu Feng, Laurence J. Kotlikoff, and Felix Kubler
NBER Working Paper No. 28952 June 2021
Deficit finance is free when the growth rate routinely exceeds the government's borrowing rate. Or so many people say.
This note presents three counterexamples. Each features a simple OLG economy with a zero growth rate and a negative government borrowing rate. None provides a basis for taking from the young and giving to the old.
One example features idiosyncratic risk, one features policy uncertainty, and one features a safe borrowing rate that exceeds the safe lending rate.
Progressive taxation cures the first problem. Policy resolution cures the second. And improved intermediation, perhaps organised by the government, cures the third.
The three models are parables. Each conveys an inconvenient truth.
Seemingly free deficits may, on careful inspection, be far more costly than they appear. Indeed, government intergenerational redistribution can lower the government borrowing rate, encouraging yet more inefficient deficit finance.
When Interest Rates Go Low, Should Public Debt Go High?
Johannes Brumm, Xiangyu Feng, Laurence J. Kotlikoff, and Felix Kubler
NBER Working Paper No. 28951 June 2021
Is deficit finance, explicit or implicit, free when borrowing rates are routinely lower than growth rates? Specifically, can the government make all generations better off by perpetually taking from the young and giving to the old?
We study this question in simple closed and open economies and show that achieving Pareto gains requires implausible calibrations. Even then, the gains reflect, depending on the economy's openness, improved intergenerational risk-sharing, improved international risk-sharing, and beggaring thy neighbor – not intergenerational redistribution per se.
Low government borrowing rates, including borrowing rates running far below growth rates, justify improved risk-sharing between generations and countries. They provide no convincing basis for using deficit finance to redistribute from young and future generations or other countries.
Here is a 2012 interview with Kotlikoff where introduces his ideas about an intergenerational 'ponzi scheme'.
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Surely if the rates governments can borrow at from the market (or, more accurately presently, Reserve Banks) at is lower than the rate of inflation government is actually getting value because government debt is being eroded by inflation in real terms?
This is occurring because there is are gross imbalances within our economies but, in the absence of any commitment to governments on economic growth, it is a feature we can exploit.
Some positive movement from Treasury on this recently: https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/consultation/draft-statement-…
As I read it, he would agree with you. Those things you describe he would see as investments. He's talking about CONSUMPTION borrowed from the future. If we today are buying plastic crap, but borrowing from the future to fund it because we can't be bothered earning sufficient money before we buy it - that's what he's saying is stealing from the future.
A sovereign can inflate away debt if the average interest rate on the debt falls below the growth in nominal GDP. (It doesn’t matter whether it’s volume growth or inflation driving GDP.) It's called covert default. Source.
NZ legacy annual GDPE growth is ~0.94%
NZ outstanding government public debt interest rate cost is currently ~3.01%
That 3% is the effective interest rate on all bonds on issue - but the overall debt servicing costs must be much, much lower. Remember that the interest Govt are paying RBNZ on over $50bn of those bonds (nearly 40% of bonds on issue) is being refunded straight back! The interest rate being paid on bank settlement accounts is also negligible.
Are you suggesting legacy high coupon government bonds were purchased way above par in preference to all other lower coupon securities? If so the blow out in the Crown indemnity for large scale asset purchases would be greater than the recent $3.107bn valuation position.
A comment from Michael Reddell - ex RBNZ economist.
One of the incidential curiosities of the bond purchase programme is that at times like this you hear a great deal of talk about how it is a wonderful time to borrow and the government can lock in very cheap long-term funding. And yet what do really large scale central bank bond purchase programmes do? They transform the liabilities of the Crown from quite long-dated to increasingly quite short-dated, exposing the Crown (us as taxpayers) to really substantial interest rate risk. Perhaps at the end of all this the Reserve Bank will have $50 billion of government bonds, with a representative range of maturities. On the other side of its balance sheet, it will have a lot of very short-dated (repricing) liabilities – all that settlement cash (see above). Whether the Bank eventually sells the bonds back into the market – which hasn’t happened a lot in other countries – or holds them to maturity, the interest rate risk doesn’t go away. It isn’t obvious what public interest is being served by skewing the Crown’s (net) debt so short term. Perhaps interest rates will never rise again……but that won’t be the view many people will be taking, Link
Riddell hasn't the knowledge to comment.
The problem is a physics one, and an inter-generational one; the article is close to correct. But we can't support higher interest-rates, from here on in. This is the great turning, choose your metaphor.
Here's the best rendition of the predicament I've come cross (warning, it's 3 hours total - grab a beer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYeZwUVx5MY
Try it, Audaxes; take the time. And others. It's as clear as it comes
Having watched the interview, I repeat the physics comment. This is a well-meaning fellow who has put a lot of thought..........
.......into redressing the onboard societal stresses on the Titanic.
He's right about the intergenerational theft. 100%. But he's stuck with economics - which run blind. It's access to resources and energy they will want, and it's those two we are stealing from them.
You can look through the bonds that RBNZ purchased via LSAP on their website; it's quite a mix, reflecting the true purpose of the purchases - i.e. controlling the yield curve. I am surprised that Michael is talking about interest rate risk - RBNZ literally sets the interest rate on settlement cash, and the interest rate that Govt pays RBNZ on bonds is (a) almost all fixed for the life of the bond; and (b) refunded straight back to them anyway!
Whatever - the current coupon to redemption premium price paid by the RBNZ for each security above par confirms the effective average coupon 3.01% interest rate. Hence the government indemnity. Furthermore, one bank market maker priced the most recent one year government T bill tender at 0.495%. Treasury accepted it. The RBNZ OCR will follow if the banks decide this rate persists.
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