There are 19 new cases of Covid-19 on Friday - all in Auckland.
One of today's new cases is unlinked, and one of Thursday's cases is unlinked.
Nine cases from the past two weeks are unlinked.
Director of Public Health Caroline McElnay said an additional 35 cases from infected households could emerge in coming days.
Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the Government has paid 652,103 businesses $3.3 billion in wage subsidies since the start of this Delta outbreak, as well as $914 million in Resurgence Support Payments.
Cabinet will review the country's alert level settings on Monday.
Robertson said it would look at testing rates (he wanted rates to stay as elevated as they are now over the weekend), and the nature/characteristics of cases, rather than just overall numbers.
He noted we don't have widespread community transmission, but rather, clusters of cases.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern yesterday said that if Auckland moves to Level 2, it's unlikely people will be able to move in and out of the region.
Here's the latest from the Ministry of Health:
| Cases | |
| Number of new community cases * | 19 |
| Number of new cases identified at the border | No cases |
| Location of new community cases | Auckland |
| Location of community cases (total) | Auckland (including 4 cases in Upper Hauraki; all of whom are in the same household) 1,250 (1007 of whom have recovered); Waikato 1; Wellington 17 (all of whom have recovered) |
| Number of community cases (total) | 1,268 (in the current community outbreak) |
| Cases infectious in the community | 10 (52%) of yesterday’s cases have exposure events |
| Cases in isolation throughout the period they were infectious | 9 (48%) of yesterday’s cases |
| Cases epidemiologically linked | 18 of today’s 19 cases are linked. |
| Cases to be epidemiologically linked | One of today’s 19 cases. Investigations are continuing to determine a link. |
| Cases epidemiologically linked (total) | 1,238 in the current cluster (9 unlinked from the past fortnight). |
| Number of sub-clusters | 15 epidemiologically linked subclusters. Of these, three are active, eight are contained and four are dormant. There are 13 epidemiologically unlinked subclusters. Of these, two are active, four are contained and seven are dormant. |
| Cases in hospital | 23 (total): North Shore (3) Middlemore (12); Auckland (8) (two of these patients are recovered cases). |
| Cases in ICU or HDU | Four |
| Confirmed cases (total) | 3,935 since pandemic began. |
| Historical cases, since 1 Jan 2021 (total) ** | 163 out of 2,117 since 1 Jan 2021 |
| Contacts | |
| Number of open contacts being managed (total): | 915 |
| Percentage who have received an outbound call from contact tracers (to confirm testing and isolation requirements) | 85% |
| Percentage with at least one test result | 75% |
| Locations of interest | |
| Locations of interest (total) | 103 (as at 10am 1 October) |
| Tests | |
| Number of tests (total) | 3,397,503 |
| Number of tests processed (total last 24 hours) | 19,038 |
| Tests processed in Auckland (last 24 hours) | 11,296 |
| Tests rolling average (last 7 days) | 13,656 |
| Testing centres in Auckland | 22 |
| Wastewater | |
| Wastewater detections * ** | There are no new unexpected wastewater detections. |
| COVID-19 vaccine update | |
| Vaccines administered to date (total) | 5,221,014; 1st doses: 3,295,644; 2nd doses: 1,925,370 |
| Vaccines administered yesterday (total) | 46,272 1st doses: 14,105 2nd doses: 32,167 |
| Māori | 1st doses: 318,845 2nd doses: 169,409 |
| Pacific Peoples | 1st doses: 205,381; 2nd doses: 117,997 |
| Vaccines administered to Auckland residents to date (total) | 1,896,225; 1st doses: 1,193,948 (83%); 2nd doses: 702,277 (49%) |
| Vaccines administered to Auckland residents yesterday (total) | 14,797; 1st doses: 4,089; 2nd doses: 10,708 |
| NZ COVID-19 tracer | |
| Registered users (total) | 3,264,293 |
| Poster scans (total) | 397,868,433 |
| Manual diary entries (total) | 17,337,721 |
| Poster scans in 24 hours to midday yesterday | 2,547,284 |
From the Ministry of Health:
Last night we reported there had been two further exposure events at Middlemore Hospital on Wednesday night.
The second patient who had self-discharged is being managed by the Auckland Regional Public Health Service and has been isolating at home. Today they are being moved into a quarantine facility.
Of the 34 patients who were considered contacts following the two exposure events, a further six have now been discharged. They are being followed up by public health, along with the other 32 outpatients who were considered contacts.
While there have been a number of exposure events at Middlemore Hospital, this is not unexpected as there are sub clusters in South Auckland, for which Middlemore is the local hospital.
In addition, Middlemore is the receiving hospital for number of quarantine facilities in the area and as such regularly receives COVID-suspect and COVID-positive patients from these facilities. Where patients do present from these facilities Middlemore is able to plan for their arrival and manage their treatment accordingly.
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I think there is general apathy outside Auckland because the risk may not seem real yet, which is a problem.
The vaccine numbers outside Auckland definitely need to improve, many locations don't have anywhere near the health facilities Auckland does and some have much poorer average health stats (+ overcrowding issues). If it hits it could get messy. I do wish the government would communicate this somehow and directly urge non Aucklanders to get vaccinated now or they could find themselves caught short.
It's a risk management approach that works better than anything else available.
Not everyone in this world is well off and able to eat good quality food, and have enough time to look after themselves. Other people have health problems that mean their immune system is compromised.
I don't see anyone worshipping the jab, I do see people giving a damn about people less fortunate than themselves.
Pretty sure nearly everyone knows it's not fully effective for Delta, if they don't they've been living under a rock.
But it's the best option we have and it helps by hopefully taking a completely unmanageable outcome from a public health perspective to barely manageable. I'll take that option every day.
"Not everyone in this world is well off and able to eat good quality food, and have enough time to look after themselves."
When does the team of 5 million begin to sacrifice together for that issue then? When do we get a pill or vaccine for that?
Ha, I don't believe people are taking this jab because they care about those less fortunate.
If that was the case y'all would also be willing to have lower house prices, a lower cost of living, less consumption, less waste, and a cleaner, healthier environment!
nice misinformation
ivermectin
one of the safest proven drugs EVER
CDC Gives Incoming Refugees Nobel Prize-Winning Ivermectin « Aletho News
vs some half cocked experimental rushed thru leaky vaccine
yip
dont touch the channel button
you might miss something
Sorry, you want a non-"rushed" (whatever you think that is) vaccine for an 18-month old pandemic? What the hell does leaky even mean? And you start your post off slamming someone else for 'misinformation'. What's a 'full-cocked' vaccine?
I can only gather you're either slow or damn well know you're full of shit, because no person with their full processing power available to them can be that stupid. So which is it?
Big Jim
Pathetic big joke . . . both your comment and you.
Ivamectin has never had a reputable trial and CDC never recommended but strongly advises against it other than on conspiracy sites.
"During the COVID-19 pandemic, ivermectin dispensing by retail pharmacies has increased, as has use of veterinary formulations available over the counter but not intended for human use. FDA has cautioned about the potential risks of use for prevention or treatment of COVID-19. Ivermectin is not authorized or approved by FDA for prevention or treatment of COVID-19. The National Institutes of Health’s (NIH) COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel has also determined that there are currently insufficient data to recommend ivermectin for treatment of COVID-19." CDC Official Health Advisory: https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp
Answer GV's question and then take you and your conspiracy theories whether in jest or not elsewhere.
Apparently Ivermectin is as safe as paracetamol and is used to treat certain skin/rash issues in humans. It is being used as an anti cancer and anti viral treatment as well.
There is certainly no harm in using it. Why is it so vehemently outlawed?
An Indian law association have apparently issued lawsuits against WHO's chief scientist regarding Ivermectin.
There are other doctors out there speaking about this too.
That's the same paracetamol that you can only buy one pack of due to the ease of overdosing, right? I wonder how precise the doses are for people taking ivermectin intended for animal use.
Note I'm agnostic on whether it does anything for covid - happy to leave this one up to the experts and if my Doctor ever wants to prescribe it to me I'll take it.
Suggest that you look at the emergency authorisations around the world for Pfizer’s and other so-called ‘vaccines, are based on no other effective treatment being available. Now, would you expect the massive pharma industry jump for joy to see the emergency approval lapse due to the emergence of effective, cheap treatments? Didn’t think you would…
If you took an actual world poll, for every Caucasian or westerner disparaging Ivermectin there will be 10 people from the developing world using it everyday for a range of issues. Tropical Africa, Indo (for Covid) mexico city (for Covid) Uttar Pradesh (for Covid), Japan (for Covid) Only in small enclaves of middle class suburbia does Ivermectin cause adverse reactions. Mostly emotional.
Yes, it is a bit over the top for a very cheap and widely used drug, but you have to remember that if they give any hope that there might be another alternative than a Vaccine, then they haven't a shit show of getting everyone Vaccinated.
The alternatives they could promote include reducing comorbidities like obesity and smoking, diabetes, etc. Imagine if over the last 18 months they had promoted and supported these interventions so if and when people caught Covid, either pre or post Vaccination, then people had a better fighting chance.
They haven't even attempted to support Nursing staff and Doctors from leaving due to immigration issues, let alone brought more people in, so our hospitals are understaffed and we are vulnerable to health system overload, so more deaths, - so roll up, roll up to be quick and get Vaccinated, or we leave you to die otherwise.
Hi Jim, I'm not sure what your reference to leaky vaccines means. I'm aware of the leaky gut hypothesis which had zero basis in the discredited claims of Wakefield and the association of measles vaccines and autism. It was fraudulent, the Lancet retracted the publication and he was struck from the UK Council for medical registration. Ivermectin- supporting evidence was found to be falsified (Argentina and the French group).
Cheetah
That is consistent with my understanding.
Unfortunately while Jim may say his post is in jest, the repetition of misinformation - whether in jest or not - unfortunately facilitates acceptance and belief in that information.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't suffer fools gladly - and Jim whether he thinks he is being clever or not is right in that category. At best his comments seem to suggest that he suffers from a severe attention disorder.
Here is a little light reading for you linked below. If you insist on calling people names based on you not able to read, or perhaps more importantly, not understand the content, can I suggest you at least stop accusing people of spreading misinformation when they mostly link or quote linked information! Here… knock yourself out with this one!
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings…
Here is one more link to more interesting information for you all… I will try dig out the link again to virologists describing ‘leaky vaccines’ in a small part of an overall dissemination of mRNA injections.
https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/2021-09-17-Open…
Is it good or necessary to get your peers to check your results?
1. NO when your peers are just as ideological as those doing the test, and so have the same confirmation bias. So the peer review is meaningless. And,
2. NO. When the rules say you don't have to: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300421287/drugmaker-merck-says-e…
'Drugmaker Merck says its experimental Covid-19 pill reduced hospitalizations and deaths by half in people recently infected with the coronavirus and that it would soon ask health officials in the US and around the world to authorize its use.'
'The results have not been peer-reviewed by outside experts, the usual procedure for vetting new medical research.'
@Albert2020
It's a difficult situation, I was commenting on the irony of 'the housing crisis' coming back to bite NZ and the lack of a plan going forward if vaccine targets are met.
Alert levels haven't reflected their descriptions for a while. I was listening to talkback via newstalkzb.co.nz the other night (forgive me lol) and the amount of fear and underlying hate was wild at times.
- The housing crisis is real.
- I've never given out medical advice here.
Try to think about what you're reading, one sentence at a time. This will help build your reading comprehension. You can probably find some reading-comprehension-strategy videos on YouTube. Just take it one step at a time, you will improve. :)
Building reading comprehension helps people boost their confidence and improve their day-to-day lives. I've been trying to encourage one of my mates to attend FREE adult literacy classes at Hagley Community College (Christchurch).
He is wicked smart and mechanically minded but his literacy is holding him back. I think you need to back-the-truck-up and stop being so easily offended.
You claim I've written/advocated for things I haven't so there may be a comprehension issue going on. It's absolutely NOTHING to be ashamed of. We only have 5million people so we need to invest in and make the most of everyone.
Some people are better than others at things.. people have different interests.. and that's great, we need all sorts to keep society functioning.
That is a brilliant website. It's the sum and total of all covid19 therapeutic clinical trial data. No longer do you need a government official telling you what "science" says, because you can see for yourself. I thought it was a sad joke that Ashley Bloomfield was singing the praises of remdesivir the other day. Remdesivir which is slightly more effective than vitamin C, but less effective than asprin, and costs 3100 times more than both asprin and vitamin C!
Ivermectin is 66% effective against covid for early treatment based on 65 studies involving 47,741 trial participants, and costs about the same as either aspirin or vitamin C, that's ~ $1 USD per dose.
I purchased 200 12 mg tablets from indiamart for 65 euros. even though I've already had covid, which wasn’t that bad, I wanted some in the cupboard as an emergency kit, along with povadone iodine for throat gargling. Ivermectin arrived no problem, and I took 24 mg just for a laugh (to see if there were any adverse effects). No problems. What do you think about that!
Here's a retired medical doctor asking why India has been so successful with covid despite having a very low vaccination rate. He's emploring people to have a good hard think about it too. Hmm. Food for thought.
I'm sure there is a point you are trying to make, but what is it?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/phg/content_leve…
I have NOT had the annual flu vaccine every year, and guess how often I got sick with the flu. Zero times… You are a fear monger like everyone else who simply regurgitates government policy, regardless of its merits. There is only one really effective treatment for Covid, go and see a very experienced fear counsellor!
Some people are not susceptible to influenza, but many are.Such as me, working with patients for too many decades.
When you can't breath, and you have swallowed your bleach or ivermectin, zinc etc, I don't think a fear counsellor will help(or come near you)
Of course none think it will happen to them, till it does.
You really need to see the counsellor about your vaccine phobia, which seems extreme
No phobia here. I had Polio and 3-4 others when younger, so has my daughter at age 12 now. But before I let her have the newer MMR vaccines, I spent some time looking at the potential side effects, studies and other info availabld. And guess what, none of it came from a GP, because all they could do is get flustered by a single basic question of what other info than a few bullet points in a tiny little leaflet from the MoH I could get.
I have been injecting myself the in Europe commonly available solution for air travel that lowers risk of thrombosis on long range flights. In a word, nice try, but no dice. I have no fear of vaccines if they are real and properly tested vaccines that do what vaccines are supposed, namely PREVENT a viral infection and and PREVENT TRANSMISSION! mRNA does neither!
Not going to happen. You also need to look at the age group distribution. Obviously the higher numbers are in the over 65's as they are at most risk. Dropping down to the younger age groups and you have much lower percentages. About 50% of the people I know have taken it overall, its only the elderly who have nothing to loose from long term side effects that are taking it.
I guess we move in different circles - I work in healthcare with a mostly 20s-40s group of colleagues who have overwhelmingly received the vaccine. I'm aware of one who hasn't out of dozens I've discussed it with. Our department would be well into the 90%s despite being quite young.
Not denouncing them. But, being unvaccinated will mean they have to avoid situations with at risk and/or immuno-compromised patients when our Hospital is in a higher Covid alert status. Perhaps at higher alert levels they'll be told to work from home.
Just another piece in the risk assessment puzzle.
You sir, would be a perfectly placed person to then refute this piece of writing from a what seems to me a very knowledgable person…?
https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/2021-09-17-Open…
Except the single jab is very much not as effective at preventing infection and transmission and even with near 100% vaccination with one dose would still not be enough to prevent a large outbreak. Even two jabs at the 90% stats is not good enough to prevent massive delta outbreaks. Our country is far behind most OECD countries at full vaccination and has not even started ordering or even considering the necessary boosters to prevent delta.
The good: unlinked cases below trending average, which has been stubbornly high.
The not so good: It's still 19 cases and LOIs are being generated as recently as earlier this week.
The baffling: What is the endgame? Households mixing at L3 is driving transmission, but households are allowed to mix at L2. So... how's this going to play out? Is this a 'shore up your balance sheet, we're going back to the future' window for businesses to trade before we head back up alert levels?
These daily new case numbers per day are little more than a vague guide surely. If folk are turning up to casualty, for unrelated conditions or accidents etc, in numbers, a steady stream as quoted, and unknowing that they are infected, then what about all the ones out there that ain’t needing to go to casualty! And similarly what about all the non law abiding underworld characters, attached or unattached to gangs, they ain’t likely to be forthcoming of their whereabouts and activities are they. The testing is falling obviously short of reaching a 100% of the community. These daily numbers are just a showpiece, window dressing, tip of the iceberg material. The government has to front up to the fact that Delta is in and out and about and here to stay. And then they have to tell us what the plan is for our lives to adapt accordingly.
"The good: unlinked cases below trending average"
That we know of.....
with people still walking up to the hospitals for other issues but "with covid" is interesting, is there a reasonable amount of a symptomatic people wondering around infecting others?
We are getting to the point where all the old and vulnerable who want to be are jabbed. So might as well transition to BAU but with mask mandating, going into summer is the best time to do it
@Jenee, when reporting in the numbers, are we able to do the following as well please?
1. Number of community cases who were fully vaccinated
2. Number of community cases who were partially vaccinated
3. Number of community cases who were unvaccinated
4. Number of people in hospital who were fully vaccinated
5, Number of people in the hospital who were partially vaccinated
6. Number of people in hospital who are unvaccinated.
Clearly hope for elimination is no longer viable given the on-going numbers and in particular the cases such as the two more at Middlemore who - for whatever reason - were picked up only through non-self initiated testing.
The issue is now how do we contain it to avoid the numbers and pressures being placed on hospital systems being experienced in most places overseas including Sydney and Melbourne? Clearly high rates of vaccination, currently a likely need for booster shots, use of masks including being mandatory in some situations, and other mandated restrictions including conditions related to travel.
We are unlikely to see a complete return to the freedoms of pre-Covid days for sometime.
they count everyone who dies with covid as from covid
As for people dying from the vaccine the opposite is true, they were old, were taking other medication etc and it cant be proved to the vaccine...
The fact that 60 people in NZ have died post vaccine and no-one is concerned about having an honest conversation about that is somewhat perplexing.
I guess the government knows what is best for us so we should shut up and do as were told....
Won’t it be refreshing to see, number of cases today in hospital from Covid 19 = blah
Number of cases in the hospital from Pfizer vaccine = blah
Number in ICU from Covid and also number in ICU from Vaccine
Number of deaths suspected from Covid and number of deaths suspected from vaccine?
The reporting is awful and the media just don’t bother anymore. They don’t report on news anymore. It’s more about sensational opinion pieces. Actual journalism has died ad a result of Covid.
So I take it you could not find these widely published and in detail like I could without even trying using google. Perhaps you just cannot handle data and understand the meaning around the results. If you expect to understand medical data without the education, training, and experience perhaps you should look into getting those 3 things first before you can be trusted to understand it.
Wow! All this abuse for just asking for some basic stats! It would have been really helpful to a fellow kiwi if you provided the link. I have searched many times and have failed to find a decent reputable source. Really would appreciate the link though to get educated. There is nothing wrong people wanting to know these stats. Why is it viewed as a horrible thing to ask for that gets an outpouring of abuse? If you are going to say look at medsafe, then it is missing some of the information I am asking for above. Hope you had a good sleep and are feeling a bit more positive this morning. Have a lovely weekend 😊
Yes
And Jacindas up front about talking about it ... which is GREAT!
Jacinda Ardern - Home | Facebook
oh whoops...
"The New Zealand Prime Minister's facebook page is still reeling from a PR (public relations) nightmare, after a post that encouraged the public to talk about vaccine side effects exploded.
On Saturday 25 September the NZ testimonials facebook page, which allowed members to report vaccine injuries direcly and had over 17,000 members, was shut down."
The following day, Jacinda Ardern addressed the elephant in the room on her facebook page about the growing narrative of vaccine hesistancy, spurred by people sharing stories of the negative side effects of the vaccine including myocarditis, shingles, blood clots, heart attacks, seizures and death.
....The Prime minister told her own story of her post COVID vax experience stating she just had a sore arm and felt weary following it. A meme attached stated 'Lets talk about side effects' which in hindsight seems like perhaps it was a rhetorical question as what followed was over 30,000 comments, many of which were deleted by her admin team. Ardern's FB posts typically attract between 2-3,000 comments.
One contributor who pulled an all nighter stated “New Zealanders essentially took down the government over it. Whilst she may have had Aucklanders in lockdown for two months, bankrupted businesses with her behaviour and now discriminated against people who are unvaxxed from attending events, I don’t think any indoor concert or game could have rivalled a ring side seat at last nights event. I ran out of popcorn."
A bedraggled Prime Minister appeared on this mornings AM show but nothing was asked of her regarding the matter nor has any mainstream media covered the issue "
Meanwhile in nasty states like Israel those idiots have to resort to these sort of things...
The testimonies project - the movie - 327,931 views (rumble.com)
"The Testimonies Project was created to provide a platform for all those who were affected after getting the covid-19 vaccines, and to make sure their voices are heard, since they are not heard in the Israeli media"
Yes they expect zero people to die after the vaccine because the vaccine must cure cancer and heart disease as well as vaccinate people from a virus... Hopefully not really... more likely they are just too ignorant to not know correlation does not equal causation and cannot even read medical reports. Be kind to them they do not know about the lack in basic comprehension and probably could be more vulnerable to other correlation must equal causation scams, gamblers fallacies etc... almost could pick them out for marks for simple financial scams as well because they would have very little ability to use logic. Hence the financial scams for antivax vaccination "alternatives" are going gangbusters and creating real opportunities for even more scams to blossom with every minute. Hence also why selling dirty water for high prices as a preventative for measles worked so well when it cost next to nothing to produce and, this goes without saying, did nothing to prevent or cure measles. Even more traditional placebos worked better.
As you seem to be one the most logical people here, could you please answer the following question:
Is it logical to have Medsafe as governing body that approves medicines and vaccines, to also audit and check that those decisions were sound? Or does your logical mind suggest an independent body/organisation would be more logical?
The question is flawed. Medsafe Is not the organization medical science looks to to know if medication, medical devices are safe. It is a regulatory organization that already acts relatively as independently from government while being funded (people need money for food and homes from wages, wages need to come from somewhere, since we all socially benefit from medical regulation I suggest we all chip in something and we would need an org to collect and distribute our contributions...oh look we have that). Regulatory bodies often rely on the body of work by researchers and advice from far more skilled experts. However each nation has a different regulatory body that has a guiding set of policies, principles etc. Most are relatively the same given the core focus is keeping people alive. The crux for concern is the guidelines and criteria for evaluation that the regulatory body sets for itself (already mostly independent and for Medsafe by those at forefront of medical fields). For example NZ has a long history with regulatory failures in civil engineering because comparative to the medical industry it has almost a low to non existent standards for proof and long term effects. Given that a bad home is far more financially an medically harmful than a vaccine with the highest rates tested to date why do we accept such low standards for civil engineering homes when they provably show far greater rates of harm to human health from regulatory issues. You cannot hate regulation on one hand but then depend on more of it and want more on the other but only when it personally affects you. If you want to consider the greatest regulatory threats to human health then you must consider regulatory bodies such as those in the civil engineering sector with a greater priority over a billion times more. Changes through any org has an opportunity cost (time & money through lobbying, research, human resources etc), you need to focus your opportunity cost in time on the far greater regulatory issues. It would be a waste of resources to have far greater harms to human health from poor regulation go ignored while trying to push through effectively negligible changes that have less than a billionth the risk of harm. In short: Rephrase priorities and rewrite the question. You need to investigate the larger existing threat and read more of the policy documents around any regulatory body and others till your eyes bleed from strain and your harddrives moan. I did go through them for many sectors and NZs engineering sector is chilling beyond the pale, real colour out of space stuff.
The question is flawed. Medsafe Is not the organization medical science looks to to know if medication, medical devices are safe.
No, my question is not flawed. Medsafe is the organisation that approves medicines and vaccines. Regardless of industry or type of organisation, when an obvious potential conflict of interest exists, questions about how that could be avoided are valid. Your completely unrelated and rather long rant does not address the question at all! Rather, it shows your state of mind seems unable to deal with the question.
You get offered the vaccine, you don't take it. Not my problem.
The govt not increasing icu capacity. Screwing up vaccine negotiations. Not having a coherent plan to open up. That is my problem.
The virus ain't going away until a fully efficient vaccine is designed, or we develop heard immunity.
You want rolling lock downs for the next two years?
Time for some balance in this decision.
Not really what would be interesting is an online questionaire that you could fill out honestly that would get you a personal risk assessment. Pretty sure enough people have already died of Covid to enable a pretty clear picture of your chances against Covid. This however is not in the interests of big phama so its just better to jab everyone. I see everything anti-vax is being pulled from YouTube so its a pretty sad state of affairs.
they keep saying they are linked so its all good - and then nobody questions the how ---
Yes there are some large families that have multiple cases but the numbers are representing 5+ families a day -The issue is where and how are these families getting it in the first place -- if they are in their large family bubble for 7-8 weeks -- because its been made clear that there is no transmission happening at the supermarkets and petrol stations - its families breaking bubbles --
So yes they can link one family to another -- and say its linked .... but they are refusing to tell us how the link was made because they dont want us to know -
How about asking them to map the clusters and big family unit linkages -- so we can see clearly that the transmissions are mainly bubble breeches and not places of interest
happy to bully our Pacifika community into isolation and MIQ -- but not our gang, criminal , rule breakers - Wil be interesting to see how WOKE the response to Brian Tamakis march is -- the correct public order response would be to arrest detain and charge every person who is in breach of the L3 rules ..... waiting
Quite honestly to me all this testing & tracing and numbers therefrom are meaningless now. There are quite obviously more existing out there than that are being “officially discovered.” The hard reality is Delta is embedded in the community and won’t be gotten rid of. That being the case reviewing this unqualified figure and that unverified figure each day is fruitless. The real issue is Delta is here for good and what is to be done about in terms of New Zealanders going about the essential parts of their lives and livelihoods and no more such than Auckland, the nation’s most vital hub, who have been deprived of those abilities going on eight weeks.
Correct you quickly get to the point where its a waste of time testing. No idea why they keep testing in Australia, they have lost control of it and we are only a couple of months behind. If your sick stay at home if your to sick get admitted to hospital. Beefing up the hospitals is now what we should be focusing on, 18 months to late but better late than never.
$50 a first dose to anyone out there not had one -- we need 1 million more -- so call it $55 million with some admin costs to set it up -
Total cost -- $55 million -- cost of one weeks lockdown -- $1,000 million --
i dont care that i dont get the payment because i been double jabbed for months now -- its irrelevant because in the end -- if we dont get those people left vaccinated -- we are looking at a year of significant restrictions on our personal freedoms and human rights -
What's the point in vaccine if we don't open up.
Give me a plan for how we open up. Specifics. Not fluffy intent.
The govt has had ample time to prepare for opening up.
Time to start asking questions. The rest of the world is moving on and The only thing that labour has been able to deliver effectively in 6 years is locking us all in our homes.
That's not a future I want. Where is the balance to the decision?
1000s of people die from smoking and 100s of people from road accidents each year, how many people drown? we don't lock everyone up to prevent use.
No instead we accept death is part of life choice is important and we build hospital and police structures to manage the worst impact.
Caution was needed when we didn't know if this thing was as deadly as sars. But it's not. This is not ebola.
What have we done in the last year to increase icu capacity?
What's 1000 or even 2000 deaths a year from covid relative to every thing else we accept as normal!
Unless deaths are in the 1000s there is no problem that requires locking us up or others out.
We are now suffering Stockholm syndrome and too many people are buying the govt media saturation without asking questions.
Yes, useless! At least in my opinion. But don’t take my opinion for gospel, lol…
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/23/does-the-fda-think-these-data-just…
Meanwhile, over in West Auckland.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-complete-carnage-…
The "engagement with gang leadership" obviously being very fruitful...
Its all over rover. Covid is widespread in Gangs who have zero respect for following the rules. Expect an explosion of new cases in a week or two. Nice one Auckland. May as well drop the levels down now but keep Auckland isolated at the boarders. Rename Auckland...... Zombieland.
The Aussies will be putting pressure on our govt to get moving with borders!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/126556511/australia-to-reopen-inter…
You have to think of all the people in Australia who will get to see loved ones at Christmas. Having been through so much since the end of 2019 when this really started I think that having a BBQ, opening presents and playing backyard cricket with the kids will raise people's spirits.
People need to be fully vaccinated - but they also need hope and love.
If Labour doesn't fix MIQ by Christmas or have a plan in place to allow vaccinated people to isolate at home, then it will be the end of them at the next election, no matter how badly National is performing.
No one forgets the uncle that got crazy drunk over Christmas. Neither will they forget they couldn't be home for Christmas.
What was that comment from Bloomfield about the gangs being cooperative?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-complete-carnage-…
#BS
First dose number are tailing off rapidly now, just 13.5k new first doses yesterday. That indicates to me that the program is likely to effectively stall out at slightly over 80% which is in the ballpark of many other countries.
Time for government to ring the bell and call last orders for first doses. We're probably a month away from winding down staffing and maybe six weeks away from reducing the number of centres open.
Agree, I want the government to directly address the issue of first doses in places outside Auckland.
The virus is clearly going to skip the border at some stage in the near future.
Northland is only at 66% first dose and have some of the people with the poorest health / highest poverty in the country. Auckland is literally just over the border...
They won't because they aren't keen on targets mainly due to not being able to deliver any targets since being in government.
We need Crusher Collins to sort out the BS and get things sorted. Like her or loathe her, at least she will get sh*t done.
Meanwhile Ardern just hangs out at the 1PM pressers getting the attention she graves, while doing nothing, and with no plan, other than the plan is to plan later.
Well they won't completely wind up the program for probably a year or two but you can't keep 8k active vaccinators sitting on their hands if they'll only have 10k second doses a day to deliver in a month. As far as mass vaccination goes the program can be scaled back.
Up here it's all just nurses that have been nabbed from their day job to vaccinate. Seems likely they will be made busy once demand dries up, and can probably tag back in if we get a later wave of demand. We only have a few specific vaccination centres that have been set up, a lot is still being done from GP clinics.
For Auckland I think that is definitely true, and the Auckland DHBs represent 34% of the eligible population, so it's going to show in those numbers.
There are some DHBs that are horribly behind though and should be being shoved in the right direction about now. They alone could definitely be keeping those numbers a bit higher for a while yet.
When I was a boy in the 1950s I can clearly remember a newspaper photograph of a hospital dormitory with rows of "iron lungs" as they were called. They were about the size and cylindrical shape of today's imaging or scanning machines. The occupants of these iron lungs lay on their backs immobile with their bodies fully within the iron lung and only their heads outside the machine. The iron lung was doing the breathing for these unfortunate patients much as smaller respirator would do today.
What afflicted these unfortunates you may ask? Polio. There was a polio epidemic sweeping the world. A famous American, Dr Salk, fortunately invented a vaccine for Polio. I remember at primary school having to take the vaccine; it was taken orally as a few millimetres of liquid in a small paper cup. I don't know if it's still taken by children today as there's no polio epidemic in the world to my knowledge. Funny that!
Not all victims needed iron-lung treatment but many did; an acquaintance of mine still walks with a pronounced limp today......he was one of the lucky ones.
It's a shame that the Pfizer "vaccine" doesn't stop infection or spreading. Israel is starting on "booster" shot four but still has about 20,000 cases per day...
Meanwhile, in the Hermit Kingdom, 60 possible vaccine deaths have now been reported to CARM, about half of which are still being "investigated". Based on research into VAERS it is likely our vaccine toll is 40 times higher. Given that only about five have died (solely) from Covid, I think our Hermit Queen has to go...
I had the polio vaccine, my 12 yr old daughter had it. This does not mean we automatically, without questioning, both get the Covid injection. And I can tell you now that unless any so-called covid ‘vaccine’ has gone through the same diligent testing and reporting forvthe many years it took for polio and most other traditional vaccines to be approved for broad use then, and only then, will I consider the risk of taking it myself or my daughter.
If you are letting someone inject you with mRNA treatment, that’s your personal decision. Just don’t expect intelligent people capable of reading and comprehending to not oppose your repetitive regurgitation of government PR spin. Pretty simple really.
Yes, the miracle indeed… Could you please point out to me what other research exists that proves mRNA treatments would be a safe ‘vaccine’. against Covid19 for pregnant women? Preferably not the one cited in below link, as it has been shown to contain errors that render it meaningless.
A Lack of Safety Data in Pregnant Females as Another Example of Why Vaccines Should Not be Mandated
I would like to give another disconcerting safety-related example of why a COVID-19 vaccine mandate could be dangerous. We have pregnant individuals or those who would like to become pregnant on campus. There was a highly publicized study in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine that formed the foundation of declaring COVID-19 vaccines safe in pregnant females (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2104983). The authors of this study declared that there was no risk of increased miscarriage to vaccinated females. This study resulted in many policies being instituted to promote vaccination of this demographic, for which the bar for safety should be set extremely high. Did you know that this apparent confirmation of safety had to be rescinded recently because the authors performed an obvious mathematical error? I witnessed several of my colleagues from Canada and other countries bravely push for a review of this paper under withering negative pressures. Once the editor finally agreed to do so, the authors had no choice but to admit that made a mathematical error. Most of the world does not realize this. This admission of using an inappropriate mathematical formula can be found here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMx210016. This means that the major rationale for declaring COVID-19 vaccines safe in pregnant females is gone! How can someone force a COVID-19 vaccine on a pregnant female when there are insufficient safety data available to justify it?
https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/2021-09-17-Open…
You avoid answering any questions that are based on real data or interpretation of such by some unbiased, qualified and knowledgable people. Like in the post above. And by the way, no weird obsession. I am simply not putting up with the endless stream of regurgitating PR spin that is incorrect or not even bothered to backed up by real world long term testing.
Easily forgotten isn’t it. I was earlier, by injection, didn’t understand it much, neither did my primary school class mates. What annoys me though is the squad of strident anti vaxes here, who if they had the power would deny me the protection of Mr Pfizer. At my age and existing respiratory problems Covid would win hands down, yet these kind identities would not give me a chance to put up a fight.
There are some key differences.
The Polio epidemic didn't ban unvaccinated from Pubs, bars, travel, etc.... The polio epidemic didn't have swathes of people abusing anti-vaxxers. The Polio epidemic didn't lead to a Govt lock down of the entire country.
What the Polio epidemic did do though was devastate young, energetic kids, leaving many dead/crippled for life. Covid is destroying the old, fat, and terminally ill.
The Anti-vax aren't stopping anyone getting vaccinated. Yet the vaccinated seem to want to force vaccination on them. Imagine if it was the other way?
Be kind (not sarcastic) and respect everyones individual rights. If the unvaccinated get covid they may die (although probably not), but that risk is on them, statistically the vaccinated folks will be perfectly safe (Vaccination equates to a 0.002% chance of having a fatal bout of Covid)
I guess my question to the vaccinated people out there - why are you so scared?
The polio epidemic had mandated vaccination and mandated vaccinations at schools. There was no need to create restrictions because we all had to be vaccinated. No hesitancy, no choice. YOU GOT VACCINATED and therefore did not need to differentiate between high risk of transmission and low risk people in the community. Protip the unvaccinated are a higher threat to everyone else and are quite likely most likely to cause the greatest harm to those around them and those they work with. There is a very good reason to discriminate on a work safety basis alone and other employees have every right to have cause for concern if that person is in a role that interacts with them or vulnerable people. Being selfish and putting the rest of us at risk and our families at risk because of ignorance is going to have very legitimate disgust from those of us with a shred of social responsibility.
Even on the business end: having to shutdown because of unvaccinated people causing higher transmission is a cost that makes the smaller amount to prevent unvaccinated staff & event guests in the first place more attractive. Even in NZ where you cannot sue for medical harm from being exposed to something seriously harmful to you or your families health. Just on a work safety and risk avoidance basis the unvaccinated are a greater risk to others than most other people. Likewise no one with german measles (or even normal measles) should be allowed near pregnant women and guess what if you are vaccinated you present less risk therefore better to have in roles interacting with others and public facing.
Oh and newsflash not everyone who is vulnerable can prevent interactions with unvaccinated people because we live in a society and not everyone who is vulnerable can have 100% effective vaccinations to protect themselves. We rely on overwhelming numbers of vaccinated people, with highly effective vaccines and even regular boosters to prevent massive disease outbreaks. Otherwise we all suffer repeated virus outbreaks regardless of whether we did the right and decent thing. Much like the eradication of polio in NZ and the lack of eradication of measles due to antivaxxers causing outbreaks to continue including to vulnerable people they interacted with. Protip long covid for young people is often worse than death and more likely a permanent disablement. Side note NZ is thoroughly abusive and ostracizing to young people who are disabled, just see the results of the IHC case to the human rights comission in abuse in care site.
Did they watch a friend die from the effects of polio or have young family permanently disabled and lose their jobs and homes due to long covid? Take a guess. Let them choose 5 family members & friends to die and never ever let them see or have contact with those people ever again. Then after a decade ask them how funny that was.
Better yet ask them how funny it would be if you died in a weeks time because of something they did on purpose and they had to spend the rest of their lives without you. Lets all laugh about that one shall we. How funny it would be for them to be wrecked by the guilt knowing their actions led to your death. Just think how that could affect your family and other families.
You should be ashamed. It is blatant fearmongering and is as bad if not worse than the antivax propaganda. If you are vaccinated you are statiscally fine. Your neighbour not being vaccinated will not make you or your loved ones die.
It is exactly this sort of idiot argument that only serves to reinforce the antivax stance that the vaccine is bogus so why bother.
I don't expect a child to know empathy having self centered views hence the common learning examples of getting them to think about how it would feel if it happened to them. But as an adult with such a lack of education in basics I would have hoped you could grasp those concepts (hilariously you demonstrate the greatest need for education on counseling because you cannot grasp basic psychological principals for children and early human development). I pity you that you are stuck with the moral and emotional development of a child but I guess you demonstrate that with a lack of understanding in the work of counselors too. I can't fix loss of education and emotional development you have because I think people with stunted morals are the bane of society. You could always prove me wrong and start demonstrating moral and emotional development but frankly I don't think you ever will be capable of it and anyone in your care is at risk of being harmed by you. To be frank you are a harm to others and a greater risk of fraudulent harmful behaviour. Showing children your social media trolling is a good example (did you think you shared the same level of comprehension?).
Have you read and applid your logical comprehension skills to the linked publication…? Once you have read this, can you elaborate on your specific rebuttals of several valid concerns raised?
I really look forward to your valued review!
https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings…
Your points apply to all vaccines though? So why so upset about just Covid?
No one cried when Measles hit in 2019, or Swine flu in 2009. We didn't shut down, we didn't sit in our houses fearful of strangers, we didn't beg the govt to stop the anti-vaxxers from doing anything, and we didn't enforce mandatory tracking of the entire populace.
Do you know what I did in 2019? I laughed at all the idiots that weren't vaccinated and felt sorry for the poor kids that had idiot parents, because I knew that being vaccinated I had nothing to worry about.
The thing about anti-vaxxers is that they only harm themselves (Side note they should be shot for not vaccinating their kids). The only reason they are harming everyone else with Covid is because the vaccinated people, for some reason have turned into blathering fearful idiots, who are demanding pointless and immediate actions. Which in many cases are likely to prove incredibly detrimental in the future.
NZ law explicitly provides for the right to determine what we do to our own body. I believe firmly no matter how stupid the anti-vaxxers views are, that this is a fundamental right that should never be breached. For all any of us know, the next mandatory medical treatment may be something you don't want. Further to penalise people for exercising this right is discrimination of the worse kind.
Interstingly you mention "Side note NZ is thoroughly abusive and ostracizing to young people who are disabled, just see the results of the IHC case to the human rights comission in abuse in care site.".
Much of the systematic abuse was done using the exact argument of "The science at the time showed....."
I for one do not want to return to that. By all means get vaccinated. But leave the idiots to themselves.
Except those most vulnerable who do get vaccinated can still catch the virus from an antivaxxer due to immune system complications and die from it. Hence the need for high near 100% herd immunity. Family members were disabled by the measles outbreak even though they had been vaccinated. Because immune systems don't function the same all the time in the same manner and for everyone the immune system can fail and become harmful. Sorry thought you would have known such a basic thing like that but apparently you missed that education.
When polio vaccination commenced it took up to six weeks to get from NZ to the UK, not the 26 hours or so of today. It was a totally different world, not all even had a telephone, refrigerator or washing machine, I well remember our family as such. Anti vaxes, if you have been reading the posts here of late, are most definitely of the opinion that this vaccine should not be provided full stop, just scroll back on today’s efforts, not even a choice. Scared? In my personal situation, I would be a hell of a lot more scared had I not had the vaccine.
Polio is not remotely comparable to Covid. It's not a respiratory virus for a start and has a completely different transmission pattern. You can't eradicate an established respiratory virus like Delta Covid, and certainly not with a vaccine that doesn't 100% stop you from getting or transmitting the virus.
Murray
I started primary school in 1953 and finished in 1960. I've got a feeling my polio vaccination was in my last year at primary school, 1960, but of course polio had left its trail of devastation before that in the 1950s. I definitely remember taking this polio vaccine in the manner described, maybe because all the other many vaccinations I have had throughout my life, but of which I can't remember any specific instance, have been by way of the needle and not orally. It's also possible that I remember it because there was so much publicity surrounding the vaccination; it was possibly the first year it was given.
If you wish to impugn my veracity so cavalierly I challenge you to supply any factual evidence that demonstrates that I could be wrong.
Cowpat
same link paragraph A1.3.10: can't you read? Poliomyelitis vaccine given to all 8 & 9 year olds in 1956 and then progressively to older children until 1960 when all up to the age of 21 years had been vaccinated.
It now seems obvious that Murray and Cowpat are members of the anti-vax brigade. How pathetic, even the Pasifica Church lot have come round but we still have a contingent of hold-outs afraid of a pin-prick.
"I remember at primary school having to take the vaccine; it was taken orally as a few millimetres of liquid in a small paper cup. "
'I started primary school in 1953 and finished in 1960. I've got a feeling my polio vaccination was in my last year at primary school, 1960,"
Streetwise I don't belong to any brigade. I have read your reply. I have read A1.3.10. I have included the correct wording in A1.3.10 as you should not misstate fact
"Limited supplies of the Salk vaccine (inactivated polio vaccine, IPV) became available in 1956, and immunisation initially targeted 8- and 9‑year-old children. As supplies improved, immunisation was extended to include all 5–10-year-olds, then children aged 11–15 years, with approximately 80 percent coverage. By 1960 immunisation was offered to everyone between 6 months and 21 years of age (with three doses of vaccine)."
The Salk vaccine was an injectable vaccine, Sabin's vaccine was an oral vaccine which became available in 1962 in New Zealand. In 1962, by your own admission, Streetwise you had left primary school. Read Oshinsky , a Pulitzer Prize winner , "Polio an American Story" over the weekend, about fear and polio vaccines.
One of my friends was lucky enough to survive at first with only needing full leg braces on both legs. But then died real early because of the long term effects of the virus. He was really young but there are still quite a few countries with poor vaccination against polio that have large enough immigration numbers to NZ and a growing tide of antivax families in NZ to still be worried about a resurgence. Much like measles.
Labour is dividing nz , the gangs at the west Auckland funeral didn't rate a mention on our heavily censored politically cleansed news . The taxpayer has every right to be pissed off at spending a couple of billion a week to have it wasted by these mongrels giving us all a middle finger . Auckland should have been at level 2 weeks ago but for groups of treasonous morons still being allowed to keep the rest of the population at ransom to their foolishness .
Call them whatever you want, if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck , it's a duck . My above comments still apply most citizens will be getting annoyed at their behavior it is costing us all freedoms and destroying livelihoods so your club mates can be idiots , IQ well under 67 I'd say .
Carlos67
Is 67 your I. Q? Like a gun club, you have boat clubs and fishing clubs. Others like the golf club. They enjoy motorcycles so join the headhunters motorcycle club. If they are gangs then use a Rico style law declaring them as such.
If not it's defaming the legit club members who like to ride bikes.
Are you really trying to make the point that the head hunters, mongrel mob and hell's angels don't involve themselves in criminal activity with this over zealous correction of peoples posts?
I know people in the first and last of those "clubs". HH's are actively involved in selling drugs, and the hell's angels I know are all from my dad's generation so way too old to get up to much but they still gave me back all my motorcycle gear in a black rubbish sak 6 months after it had been stolen from my car and I had already claimed insurance, and then told me not to ask any questions. So I'm guessing they still have some links to persons of interest also...
Folds of cash? Like tradies?
What makes the current govt any different from an MC?
The clubs do multiple rides for charity. Like dice runs for suicide awareness and toys for tots at starship hospital. Headhunters motorcycle club runs healthy body healthy mind through its fight club gym to get youths on track.
Mongrel mob club has its h2r program getting its club members sober again.
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