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A severe lack of rain, wind and sun is exposing the risks of renewable electricity generation's role in our baseload electricity requirements. Prices look set to rise for retail users

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A severe lack of rain, wind and sun is exposing the risks of renewable electricity generation's role in our baseload electricity requirements. Prices look set to rise for retail users
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If you buy electricity from a retailer or gentailer, you won't be directly affected right now.

But if you buy wholesale, you may be shaking.

Prices over $1000/MWhr (megawatt hour) are becoming all-too frequent as the cold winter blast coincides with low lake levels and inflows, and low wind generation.

This is where prices were at 8:30am Tuesday.

Earlier they were even higher, some as much as $300 higher.

Normal used to be <$100/MWhr. So we are running at least 10 times normal, maybe more.

Worse, it is hard to see this pressure ending soon.

The Haywards flow across Cooks Strait is almost at capacity. Brownouts loom. Major users (like Tiwai Point) have already cut back sharply, so that adjustment has already been made.

Huntly's coal-fired capacity is running hard. Gas-fired too. It may not be enough.

At some point this will hit consumers. Wholesales can't keep buying at over $1000/MWhr and on-selling to consumers at low fixed contracted prices. Price signals are important to reducing demand and that isn't happening at present except in the industrial sector.

The mismatch is because we have far too little headroom in our renewables capacity. It's unreliability as baseload is being exposed. We haven't invested in big hydro in decades, preferring to boost alternative renewables. But the rain has to fall, the sun shine, and the wind blow for those to work, and that isn't what is happening in the high-demand 2024 winter.

We have had extreme price stress in the past, but as the chart below shows, things settled back after. But that isn't happening now. A major public policy test looms.

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Would be great to see more geothermal energy development in my opinion - very reliable renewable generation, even if it's more expensive than solar or wind.

Solar and wind definitely have a big part to play in our future (especially offshore wind I reckon), and they do make a big difference to lowering the dry year risk (as you can save up water when it's sunny/windy for when it's not), however unless we have massive grid scale batteries which are still a long way off affordable, they're not gonna help us solve our peaking problem. It'd be great to have enough baseload renewable capacity that we could use some of the big hydro schemes as peakers, but I don't know if that'd ever be feasible.

I have little faith NZ will do anything proactively about our future energy problems though - kick the can down the road until it all collapses is the NZ way.

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Onslow would have been a huge, but expensive, step in the right direction but that can has been well and truly kicked down the road. 

Back to the piecemeal approach of leaving the driving up the fragmented and self-interested market. I think I've well and truly hedged my exposure with solar panels and shareholdings in the big 4, but I'd still be happy to see a coherent approach to our power market moving towards cheaper prices, allowing us to reduce emissions in the rest of the economy. 

No one is going to be converting a coal boiler to electric at these prices. 

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No one is going to be converting a coal boiler to electric at these prices

Pity the ones that fell for the previous government's shenanigans and did convert. More so their employees who could be out of their jobs if prices persist at these unsustainable levels.

Winstone Pulp International shuts its Karioi Pulp mill and Tangiwai sawmill for two weeks – and possibly permanently

Add this to the growing list of industrial employers in NZ such as Methanex disgruntled by high energy prices and we have a perfect (s**t)storm.

Could there possibly be a worse time to lose hundreds of well-paying jobs in manufacturing as an economy?

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It'll be a mixed bag for those who already converted. I know at least some of the gentailers have been signing as many long-term supply contracts with industry as they can over the last few years so some will have booked in their supply much cheaper than the market price. Some may even be able to cash in by forgoing their supply and selling it on at market prices, pocketing the difference (at a certain price it's worth shutting down the factory for a day and selling the power instead, if that's possible). 

Could be a tough spot for any gentailers that have overextended on supply contracts and have to buy on market to make it up. I'm not familiar enough with their hedging policies to say whether any are affected in this way.

I would assume that Genesis are doing pretty well right now with Huntly running pretty much flat out. 

On a personal level, I thought I had done well locking in a 17c solar rebate with Meridian but looks like that kWh is worth over a dollar to them now...

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Advisor - we are at the peak of the carbon-pulse. Nothing scales as a full replacement - not even close. 

Stop wittering on about jobs and making money (both future-energy-proxies; assumptions that stuff can be bought). Economic growth, as per since WW2, is on the way out now. That is the reduction in globalisation, that is the increasing angst, that is the rebelling underclasses - now including much of what was the middle class.

We need to measure for the future - and money, because it is unrelated to resources/energy, is increasingly invalid. 

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kick the can down the road until it all collapses is the NZ way

I can't call this the NZ way. The silent generation built plenty of the current infrastructure to benefit the future generations post-war, but things have gone downhill since...

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Surely this was expected as those hundreds of thousands of new faces to NZ crank up their heat pumps.

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1) Shows the sheer stupidity of trying, and completely failing to turn electricity supply into a business.  Generators are all getting paid the highest marginal price of worst price power generator (i.e. massive excess profits) in each supply period. The system simply doesn't work no matter how much the regulator tries to fudge it. There is no financial incentive for generators to add capacity.

2) There is a direct correlation between power use and GDP & thus a high benefit/cost ratio of providing NZ Inc with low-cost resilient power supply.

3) NZ would be far better off with a non-profit SOE that runs a system optimal power generation system and only makes enough excess revenue to maintain and upgrade the system & pay the interest on bonds to cover the capital works.  We would have had the right investments in the right place at the right time, not this current complete and total failure.  Marginal and average power prices would be a lot closer and NZ paying less.

4) What is worse is the govt (as shareholder) is then using the excess dividend profits and tax from the power generators to spend in NZ.  Most of that spending will be at lower benefit/cost ratios for NZ Inc, given govt doesn't force all spending through cost benefit assessment and then spend from the highest to lowest by ranking until it's out of budget.

 

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Pretty sure we get charged a lot in Tauranga as it is, however it makes comparing power companies pretty hard if you just got in on that TECT rebate each year before it closed off years ago.

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Zwifter,

I am one of those who still get the rebate, but I am now looking at solar through SolarZero. An engineer is coming later in the week and I will be interested in what he has to say.

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Yes - there is now less than 50% hydro storage for this time of year and Lake Pukaki is lower that it's been since 2008.

However, investing in "large hydro" - only available in the Waitaki and Clutha Rivers - would not be much help now, if we had done that. That would just mean more hydro power stations with reduced output, actually making the impact of dry years worse when it doesn't rain. Nor would the government's "doubling renewables" be of help because nobody is going to build wind and solar power beyond the average demand of normal years.

So I'll say it directly - if the Lake Onslow scheme had been operating now, we wouldn't be in this situation. The present default for dry years is to burn coal and have massive electricity prices, because gas is vanishing fast. Or does the coalition government think that dry years ended with the election?

And before anyone jumps in with a "fag packet calculation" of a business case study of the Onslow scheme - the whole idea of the scheme is public funding for long-term public good. Not a private scheme to give a return on investment to individuals in a short time. Imagine trying to argue against a new hospital on the basis that it would be "uneconomic" because the patients could never afford to pay the fees needed to recover the cost of construction in a reasonable time.

It would be nice also to finally get rid of the misinformation - repeated all the way up to Simeon Brown - that the Onslow scheme would have a "chilling effect" on construction of new renewables by the private sector. Power from Onslow could never undercut power from renewables. The wind and sun are free but Onslow could not offer electricity into the market at a price less than the cost of pumping up the water. However, Onslow could certainly undercut coal power prices and thus massively reduce the high power prices in dry times, like we see right now. That would be welcomed by almost everyone, though not by a few.

However, none of this is a plug for the Lake Onslow scheme. What absolutely is needed is an immediate government policy reversal to allow a revisiting of all options for dry years - other than Indonesian coal. If the government is going to carry on relying on reduced regulations and "the market" so solve dry years, we will be stuck with coal. Perhaps a certain political party should change its name to "Indonesia First"?  

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No .. the Snowy 2.0 problems are nothing to do with it being a pumped hydro scheme. The issues arise largely because it is a civil engineering scheme involving tunnels in variable geology. Each major civil engineering scheme is different. Snowy 2.0 can no more be used as an argument against Onslow than Snowy 2.0 could be used as an argument in favour of the Onslow scheme if Snowy came in under time and under budget. The Onslow risk is the same as any other big scheme - the possibility of a budget blowout. However, that doesn't mean New Zealand should give up on major schemes from here on.

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Surely this planned Cook Strait transmission upgrade should have enough capacity for Manapouri  / another hydro generator, not just existing + a little bit: if it's supposed to cater for the next 40 years (eg. population doubled, EVs + zero natural gas/electricity conversions)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350368677/ageing-cook-strait-power-cabl…

 

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"Transpower was considering whether or not to upgrade the cables from 1200MW to 1400MW."

How is this even a question?!

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Does seem like they should go even further, while they're at it. 

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This article seems a bit confused, the current issue facing the electricity market is an energy problem not a capacity one and can't simply be tied to the addition of intermittent renewables. Despite the present conditions there is enough capacity in the system to meet the periods of highest demand, even on windless winter evenings. What is becoming increasingly scarce is energy, that is the amount to cover all our requirements over the coming weeks, months etc, of which low lake levels, rising demand and lower gas availability (which oddly wasn't mentioned here) are the main causes, rather than a brief dropout in intermittent generation. In fact, despite a period of lower output recently, the energy we are getting from wind and solar has increased steadily the past few years, there just hasn't been enough of it built.

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The article does tend to confuse power and energy somewhat. However, the key point is probably at the very end, about a policy decision looming. Coming so soon after the election, if the present low hydro / high price scenario actually does force a policy rethink then that would be a good thing. Of course, it is probably wishful thinking.

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Yep. We need more gas and geothermal. Forget coal.

Labour has stuffed things up badly.

The one and only excuse is that the decision to keep Tiwai going has only recently been decided upon.

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Nope. There was still plenty of gas exploration permits that could have been explored and developed,  not one was. It's no longer economic, the only way it would happen is if it is subsidized, which the current lot might do for a suitable donation to the party.

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We got more geothermal investment during labour, and somehow they are to blame for OMVs large drilling program in the gas fields off taranaki coming up with a big fat nothing?

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Onslow is completely unnecessary. For a much cheaper price tag, you can build a grid scale battery using various types of technology. The cost curve on these is coming down fast and they're increasingly used in Australia to buffer solar.

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No argument that Onslow may be completely unnecessary. It's entirely possible that another dry year alternative could be found. However, batteries will not there. Dry year buffering requires sustained high power output over months, not the time scale of hours needed to buffer solar. For the 3-5 TWh energy storage needed for a dry year, we are talking battery costs of trillions of dollars and not billions.

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It's rare that I agree. This is one time that I do.

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Based on the cost of the Ruakaka battery being built in Northland, it is less than $1 million / MWh of storage. So 3-5 TWh of battery storage shouldn't cost more than 3-5 trillion

But LFP cell prices have fallen to around USD 50/kWH in China (suggesting 4 TWh would cost approx. NZD 350 billion for the cells), and a Lake Onslow replacement would only need an output of 1-2 GW, so anything built now or over the next 20 years would likely be a lot cheaper than Ruakaka

Edited: as the maths was off in my original comment

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$1 million / MWh assumed = $1/ Wh. 4 TWh storage. 4E12 Wh so $4E12 = $4 trillion. 

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I was just fumbling through orders of magnitude myself to reach the same conclusion. 

A million MWh in a TWh, so a million x $1million = 1 trillion per TWh with this battery tech. That's if this tech is even appropriate for seasonal/yearly storage - it is designed for rapid charging and discharging and I have no idea if longer term batteries would be cheaper or more expensive, or if it is possible to design them to do both jobs as Onslow would with daily cycles on top of broader seasonal/yearly trends. 

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Yeah i messed up my maths by a factor of 10

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I wonder how much a small-scale pumped hydro would cost compared to the Ruakaka battery. 

For instance, a 6m litre water tank (the largest agricultural storage tank I could find in the NZ market) a 100m up a hill would have 1.6MWHr in gravitational potential energy (Potential Energy Calculator). 

Surely the cost of the tank plus the pipes, pumps, generators etc this would be significantly cheaper to build than $1.6 million?

I wonder if many farms in NZ could have solar and water storage that in the summer was used for irrigation purposes and in winter sold electricity at peak times (evenings and early mornings)?

 

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You confuse daily buffering with dry year buffering. For the same capacity as Onslow using batteries, the cost is 1000x higher. Economies of scale will not solve this.

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What's a few orders of magnitude between friends? 

It's amazing that this comes up every time, given that it more or less amounts to proposing that we use a few AA batteries to sort a neighbourhood blackout. 

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It's possible that batteries will overtake pumped hydro for long term energy, but that horizon is so far in the distance that it would be reckless to punt our entire society on that possibility.

To add to the comparisons posted above - replicating Onslow with Tesla Powerwalls would mean installing over 100 batteries in every household in New Zealand. That would get you the same potential storage, but with a much shorter lifespan and I suspect less ability to hold that energy over a period of years. Onslow would lose something like 5-10% per year to evaporation, how much charge do batteries tend to lose per year? 

The only realistic alternative is a huge pile of coal with all the bad PR and opportunity cost that involves. Every bit of CO2 we emit from that stack of coal is taken from our cap and trade scheme meaning another part of the economy has to pull back. As the cap falls over the years, Huntly takes up a bigger and bigger proportion. 

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You forget mfd that household generation reduces need for huge centralised storage.

That 100 you say can be just 1.

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how does household generation meet the dry year need?  Household generation does not increase in a dry year. How are you going to run your heating at night in a dry year?

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Wouldn't the better approach be household insulation? Our heating needs are significantly less since double glazing and full insulation. We aren't sucking as much water from the lakes as we were...  

Maybe the do nothing approach is the best; once electricity becomes super expensive then triple glazing and better insulation will become affordable in comparison. 

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We leave all our windows open all year around in Auckland, have an occasionally used fireplace, no other heating , still kicking....power bill $90 monthly

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The old "sure it's 11 degrees in the house, just harden up" approach.

And for some reason NZ is the only first-world country with a rheumatic fever problem, and some of the highest asthma rates in the world. 

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Yeah 11 is unacceptable, I turn on the heat pump for 4 hours in the morning to bring the temperature up to 20. I can live with that wearing shorts and a TShirt.

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If it's sunny - even in winter, indeed especially in winter, our house will go into the evening in the mid-20s, and exit in the morning at 17 (sometimes 15 if we've left something open). That's without artificial heat - just passive solar. 

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There's something to be said for low angle winter sunshine streaming straight in the windows, then holding onto that heat as long as possible.

Gets a bit tricky in built up shade thy neighbour suburbia though.

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Well done, sounds perfect.

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Any household generation at all helps.  Every spark generated on the roof keeps a few drops in the lake.

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Lifepo4  batteries self discharge about 3% per month.  So Onslow looks good in comparison there.

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Estimating the volumetric enhanced evaporation water loss from an expanded Lake Onslow is actually a little tricky. A starting point is the annual precipitation of about 0.6 metres. We did a water balance study on the basis of using an upper bound lake evaporation value of 0.9 metres per year. Anyone interested can track down our 2022 paper "Estimating Teviot River compensation flow to offset evaporation loss from Lake Onslow pumped storage", from the NZ Hydrological Society web page. Subsequent to that paper, NIWA did direct measurements of Lake Onslow evaporation loss, which came out as 0.7 metres over a year of observation. So our water loss was an over-estimate, as anticipated. In addition, there is the possibility of diverting some Taieri River winter water into Lake Onslow via a short gravity flow tunnel. Incidentally, a further (small) offsetting factor is that the constructed Onslow dam would also have new power generation from releasing water into the Teviot River. If the Onslow scheme happened, that little power station would probably be taken over by Pioneer Energy - who operate the existing power stations down the Teviot River.

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I guess it's tricky to do a like-for-like comparison of stored energy loss. I see the deepest part of the proposed full lake Onslow would be about 80 metres, but I'm not sure what the average depth and average lake level would be so the denominator is a little tricky too.

Sounds like a ballpark figure would be in the single digit % of water volume lost per year? 

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It's easier to do it by energy. We estimated an upper bound to power loss from evaporation as 10 MW, without any water diversion into Lake Onslow.  Assuming the energy stored in the lake fluctuates around a value of 4.5 TWh, over the course of a year that represents less than 2% of the energy stored being lost to evaporation per year. The reason it's so small is that there is such a large amount of energy stored. A much bigger energy loss will be from operating inefficiencies - but that's offset by purchasing at low prices and selling at higher, as per usual in pumped storage schemes.

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Thanks, that's interesting.

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Better than 'grid scale' would be distributed solar and storage.  Each house combined with smart IT.  

Cooperative self sufficiency on our road.

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What cost of solar + batteries would be needed to cover a dry winter? To go offgrid costs about $50k/house and that normally assumes a secondary source of heating e.g. gas/wood. Onslow would cost $2k/house

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Is it wrong that I love my gas fire so much?  And I'm doing society a favour by saving the national grid!

 

*ducks for cover to avoid incoming...*

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Fair call, heat is heat no matter where it comes from. My choice of carbon is good old fashioned wood. Nothing beats a fire :-)

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Great stat. Of course you need to factor in some additional generation to the Onslow cost to make it like-for-like, but there seems to be no shortage of companies wanting to build grid-scale solar farms which are no doubt much cheaper than doing it roof-by-roof. 

Worth remember that the $50k per house recurs every 25-35 years or so as panels and batteries degrade. Although Onslow will need maintenance, new turbines etc, the expensive bit of doing the earthworks should last a century, hopefully longer. 

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Not quite apples with apples - Onslow is just a storage buffer. 

I have a miniature; micro-hydro with the ability to pump (using wind) to augment. Nearly 20 years now, including dry ones. What happens is that the dry years (when the pelton-wheel spits air for a few days, then ceases) is that it must have been summer and sunny. Those long sunny days are good for PV; the two technologies are nicely symbiotic. 

I can tell you that you can do off-grid for orders of magnitude less that your claim. I started on one 50W panel, tilted and rotated, a 12-volt house and 2nd-hand L/A gel batteries. Initial outlay - everything, wiring, switches, everything - was 5k in 2004/5. Now I'd say 10k overall; 4x 100Ah Lifepo4's, 3x300W solar arrays, 2x inverters (house is still 12v) and 50 spare Gentle Annie motors @ $2 ea. Yes, we planted a forest, and do our own firewood. And seriously passive-solar. 

But it can be done...

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Onslow more like $10K per house  Maybe twice that if the build goes wrong.  With big running cost.

Solar and Battery more like $20K per house.  Minimal running cost. And distributed generation means grid connected.  The electricity is first used locally with a quite different need on the national grid.  Mostly reduced need.

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Onslow is up to $10k once. Solar and batteries need replacing every 25-35 years. 

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Good thing we aren't increasing demand then? Letsgofortenmillion#Nat

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Has Tiwai actually cut back?  i know the cut back has been triggered, but i thought it took them about 45 days to scale down?

wholesale rate in Kaikora actually hit $1500/mWh this morning.  Rate have been sitting above $800/mWh since Friday.  

Good dashboard here: https://www.emi.ea.govt.nz/Wholesale/Reports/W_P_C?_rsdr=W1&DateFrom=20…

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On the plus, looking like a record day for my recent solar install, another 20kwh of power exported and resulting water still in lakes.

https://pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?id=121065&sid=104930

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Electricity generation, roading, health, education.

 

All breaking after 40 years of neoliberal economic policy under successive governments.  Just a little less investment, and a little more extracted each year.

 

Definitely no need for a structural rethink in NZ  *sarc

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"neoliberal economic policy" - it seems to be the government / council run stuff that is breaking more than the privatised. Electricity seems to be pretty reliable where I live compared to 40 years ago. I suspect our dry year of power will be much less fuss than Auckland's dry year of water for example. 

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It just seems to me that everything is falling apart at once.  Privatised electricity companies don't want to create surplus generation to cover the bad years, and put prices up when there is not enough to go around. 

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Then we need to break apart the generation and retail arms, but I won't hold my hopes up on that front given the govt is a majority shareholder in a few gentailers so they won't wish to give up that income stream, especially now.

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Even the diesel plant has fired up. 

We need distributed pumped hydro, more pv, more wind, and more biomass.

The other thing that is not been looked at to a large extent is interseasonal storage of heat.

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We build another hydro, f-over some more wilderness and where are we in 10 years?

"Oh we need another one"

How about we live within our means?

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Stopping expansion of infrastructure to "live within our means" would also require stopping immigration that grows the population. I'm OK with that. But just wanted to point it out so you're aware of what you're suggesting.

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But how would we fund our $20b+ per annum superannuation scheme if we don't keep importing people?  Would that mean old people might have to start living within their means too?  

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Careful batman, we are getting into dangerous, logical territory!

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Is daily MWHr quantity of electricity used data available for NZ? 
One simple way to estimate of the cost to the country of the dry year would be to multiply the difference in price between this 2024 dry year winter versus the average winter electricity price with the quantity of electricity used. This wouldn't calculate all the costs, such as the downstream economic costs for closed down plant, CO2 emissions from increased use of fossil fuel peaker generating plants. But it would give us a starting point for estimating the size of the dry year problem. 

For instance, NZ roughly uses 4000 GWHr in a winter month. That is 4,000,000 MWHr.

If say MWHr prices over July, August, and September in 2023 are $300 higher than a typical July, August, and September then the country's energy consumers will be paying 4,000,000 MWHr x 3months x $300 which totals $3.6bn more for electricity this winter, 

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Did you miss the above comment? 

'How about we live within our means?' 

Mind you, that has other implications for your pet growth plans...

Other comments are basically correct - we are at a point where multiple decisions need to be made. 

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Doing nothing is an option PDK. Is that your plan for a bad year on your small holding?

As country we could pay higher prices for our basic energy needs every few years that NZ has a dry year, and for those who cannot afford that then their businesses will close, and those households on the wrong side of the affordability margin will manage the best they can through the cold. 

Maybe there is a better way...

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Prices prices affordability affordability prices...

Nicola Willis is equally fixated, heading to Treasury to ask energy/resource-limit questions. Jones will end up in a blind alley too. 

Overlaid on this topic, I'm sorry, is the problem of human overshoot (which I seem to remember you denying, fiercely). Yes, equality is probably the future way of social arrangement - but there is a bottleneck to negotiate first - and a few billion to jettison (nature and competition will see to that).

So, what to do now, for the energy-poor? Janet Stephenson is the go-to there: https://www.otago.ac.nz/centre-sustainability/research/energy-cultures-…

Earl B is right - this is a social, not a 'market' decision. We could nationalise the Bradford failure, into something. I know, let's call it the NZED. Let's then write it's charter - and tax ourselves whatever it takes to deliver whatever amount of energy we decide on, per-head. Remembering that money is only valid if underwritten by energy, and that taxing (jn $$$) therefore might be a short-term arrangement... 

Oh, and it's all made easier when you realise you cannot cater for an unlimited human population. So we need to discuss Limits. 

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I agree PDK that the current market approach is not working for security of electricity supply. But do you have to shoehorn your own views on limitations on growth into every topic?

You just want to turn a reasonable discussion about what to do when hydro doesn't store enough energy into what you are interested in. 

The problem we are discussing here is caused by normal patterns of weather variation not the excessive use of resources causing an overshoot problem. If you want to discuss that. Write your own article which you are well capable of doing. 

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Nope. 

What I gasp, is that we are half-way through the fossil pulse. The last half will be both harder to obtain, and more in contention. 

The ONLY question is: What can we maintain, on beyond fossil energy. And to date (and, I think, permanently) we have not proven that rebuildables (dams, windmills, PV) can power the building of rebuildables. Meaning the existing fleet of infrastructure will run until it succumbs to the physical form of entropy (entropy is really an energy term, but it gets applied to decay). 

I was a champion of PV, 20 years ago, and was an enthusiastic early-adopter, indeed was co-Chair of Solar Action once upon a when. 

But if PV cannot build PV, then we are looking at a transition to very different world. And there is only one fossil-energised shot at building whatever it will be. Meaning we need to have a discussion about that. I've traversed to the point where I can see us unable to maintain the existing grid (a POV at odds with the techno-optimists). Short-term, stop-gap, single-focus approaches, at this late stage, run the risk of wasting the remaining buffer (time, energy). 

So I make no apologies. Indeed, I challenge all who silo portions of the whole. 

The person who wrote this:  https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/980  started out like me. An astro-physicist (and a clever one) who went off-grid, thought it through, and gave Professorship away as a result of that thinking. His blog rewards perusal:

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/

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I think you are missing something here PDK. We wil never end up needing to take all the available oil out of the ground. First world countries are going through a population collapse. Without immigration from the developing/3rd world we would all be going backwards in energy demand.

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Good point - but China and others are waiting in the wings, and we need to remember that since 1980 (when Catton wrote Overshoot - well worth the read and I once attended a lecture he gave) global population has doubled (4-8 billion).

Also, we First-Worlders consume far more per-head, than others. By some orders of magnitude. 

More likely, the EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested) of the remaining resource will not support the repayment of debt, and our growth-requiring system collapses. That would leave much in the ground, and maybe never to be retrieved. Re-booting takes high-quality energy....

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For Gods sake - just drop the neoliberal dogma and nationalise the whole lot to be operated for the benefit of the NZ people.

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Socialism doesn't work, it's been proven dozens of times before. A classic example was NZ railways which had 24,000 employees, most of them doing nothing. 

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You're conflating 2 different issues. Electricity cost and supply is not better since Max Bradford.

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Build a nuclear plant. Abundant, reliable energy supply that doesn't rely on nature. 

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Nuclear would make Onslow look cheap in comparison

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Where? Without earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes and where there is enough cold freshwater?

And are you saying uranium isn't a natural resource?

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How much electricity do smaller retailers buy at spot vs long term/forward  contracts?

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The ones offering rates based on the spot rates will be buggered id imagine. I think octopus and flick ?

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flick haven't offered the spot market pricing for consuming electricity since the last dry year, but their solar offering gives you the spot rate for your exported power.  Very tempting to switch to them right now. 

Anyone here with solar on flick?

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Go Earl B.

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Just wait for Transpowers 30% increase in line charges set for 2025 to trickle down to the consumer. You think electric is expensive at the moment, wait for what's to come.

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I called this last year that power prices would be high for winter, although less related to the lakes and more around generation capacity in the north island. 

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Nuclear Power is the answer to reliability problems and therefore price stability. 

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Nuclear is the most expensive form of generation and it takes too long to build.

Others here have already made the point about New Zealand’s geology being very challenging to deploy and safeguard nuclear fission. In addition, you can’t just grow the technical skills to manage nuke plants over night. We have zero experience with this. 

The electricity produced might indeed be reliable and displace Huntly, but it would be massively expensive - think 50c per kWh.  

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In addition to this, traditional nuclear plants are just too big for our grid. Stick in a 1GW nuclear plant and you need 1GW of generation sitting there ready to generate at a moment's notice or else you get a brown/black out for every little fault on the nuclear plant or the lines running to it. That's roughly our entire geothermal capacity, or our entire gas generation capacity reduced to playing a backup role and unable to contribute to the system in any other way.

Most likely, you'd need to build a dedicated thermal plant to stand behind that nuclear generation.

SMRs of around 400MW would be a completely different story, but they are relatively new to the market. 

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And countries that already have Nuclear aren't exactly rushing to install more. 

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They're also finding out that when the decommissioning costs start to roll in, in the Billions of $ for a single plant that the company the reaped all the revenue simply closes up shop and dumps the burden firmly on the taxpayers. This is the same business practice that Rio Tinto used with the Tiwai point smelter toxic waste. It seems to be standard practice these days.

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