The 2008 financial crisis in the United States kicked off a debt supercycle, which spread to Europe in 2010 and has recently engulfed many of the world’s low-income and lower-middle-income countries. Could the debt woes of Country Garden, the behemoth Chinese real-estate developer now facing billions of dollars in losses, augur the cycle’s next turn?
The answer remains unclear. While the Chinese authorities have a remarkable track record when it comes to containing economic crises, the challenges posed by a significant growth slowdown, combined with high debt levels – especially for local governments and the property sector – are unprecedented.
China’s current problems can be traced back to its massive post-2008 investment stimulus, a significant portion of which fueled the real-estate construction boom. After years of building housing and offices at breakneck speed, the bloated property sector – which accounts for 23% of the country’s GDP (26% counting imports) – is now yielding diminishing returns. This comes as little surprise, as China’s housing stock and infrastructure rival that of many advanced economies while its per capita income remains comparatively low.
At the same time, in what had once seemed like a race between a tortoise and a hare, the US is speeding toward artificial-intelligence-
Funnily enough, I said much the same at a conference seven years ago. In my presentation, which was based on my 2015 paper “Debt Supercycle, Not Secular Stagnation,” I explained that post-crisis malaise was typical and would at least partly fade. I then conjectured that “in nine years, nobody will be talking about secular stagnation” – a perhaps hyperbolic remark to underscore the point. (I am grateful that one of my co-panelists, J. Bradford Delong, quoted me on his blog, perhaps forgetting that the conference was held under Chatham House rules.)
Over the past decade, the overwhelming consensus in academic and policy circles has been that the world is deeply mired in an era of ultra-low interest rates driven by weak growth fundamentals. And in fact, it remains so today. For example, Northwestern University economist Robert J. Gordon’s magisterial history The Rise and Fall of American Growth offers persuasive arguments for the death of innovation and the end of growth. Gordon posits that post-1970s inventions – even the computer revolution – are not nearly as economically important as, say, the steam engine or electricity generation.
Billionaire investor Peter Thiel and former world chess champion Garry Kasparov made similar arguments in a 2012 debate on the topic of “Innovation or Stagnation” at the University of Oxford. Arguing on the “innovation” side of that debate, I pointed to advances in chess that heralded the coming of an AI age, while also noting that commercial innovation invariably stalls at times, for example during the Great Depression. In fact, my greatest concern has never been an end to innovation, but rather that the rise of AI will outpace our ability to control it.
There are strong arguments for secular stagnation on the demand side, owing to demographic decline. In a brilliant 2013 speech, Harvard economist Lawrence H. Summers argued that only a continuing shortfall in global demand could explain the era’s ultra-low interest rates, triggering an avalanche of research on fundamentals that could explain the demand deficiency. Progressive politicians have used this work to make the case that bigger government is needed to fill the void. Summers, however, was more circumspect, advocating increased investment in infrastructure and education, and outright transfers from rich to poor – ideas with which I strongly agree.
But despite some good arguments for secular stagnation, concerns about sustained slower growth are overblown. Charles Goodhart and Manoj Pradhan have challenged the view that demographic decline inevitably lowers demand by pointing to the rapidly growing elderly population.
Moreover, long-term trends are not wholly responsible for the spectacular collapse in real interest rates after the 2008 crisis; the collapse was at least partly because of the crisis itself. After all, interest rates also fell to zero during the Great Depression and stayed there – until they didn’t. Notably, the rate on ten-year inflation-indexed Treasury bonds is currently well above its average level of about zero from 2012 to 2021.
The debt supercycle may have lasted longer than initially expected, perhaps because of the pandemic. But it was a critical piece of the story, and now, as China’s economy falters, it is the best explanation for what might come next.
*J Kenneth Rogoff, a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Harvard University.. Copyright: Project Syndicate, 2023, and published here with permission.
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Cycles in themselves aren’t an explanation - human behaviour and its compounding effects create a cycle - be it debt or anything else.
Our collective global actions over the last decade have altered the risk/reward balance heavily in favour of risk - so we took more and more (NFT’s anyone?) until the wheels started to wobble (they may yet fall off) and society globally now is now retreating away from the risk edge. Debt (and interest on debt) is only one of the cliffs people are trying to back away from - de-globalisation’s impact on trade, failing/floundering social services, political polarisation, the cost of living, job security - all of which feeds a national (possibly global) confidence ‘cycle’ - which few people have faith in their leadership to control.
It’s a cycle simply because - as usual - humanity got carried away.
Does the Largesse Trough not runneth over?:
China's property firms rally after Beijing pledges economic support | Reuters
Of course, it's not enough because there is a bottomless pit of need.
The Chinese property market bubble will unwind in the same way as the Japanese late 90's one did - where values dropped every year for 20 years.
The house price to income ratio is around 30 times - so the crazy prices must be totally the result of people buying into a rising market for capital gains.
A lot of these gains would have been paper gains - I think only about 20% of Chinese houses have a mortgage - and the home ownership rate is around 90%. So the price drops effect the building industry rather than the home-owners - you can't have a mortgagee sale if you don't have a mortgage.
Possibly worse for home owners will be NZ. Esp first home buyers over the last few years. The average first home buyer mortgage is around half a million dollars. This will be a noose around their neck as values drop - esp if inflation drops in the next year or two and stops these massive debts from being inflated away.
I can remember in 2003 when a Ponsonby villa was 500k and people thought that taking on a 500k mortgage was nuts.... Now mortgages are way way bigger but incomes have not kept up with the prices of the house. With diary done, red meat down , Tourism on half speed due to asian weakness, we are in big trouble. Add timber prices, climate change cost, retreat from floodplains, crumbling infrastructure and NZ is in a very scary place indeed.
I can see a considerable fall in prices once the true cycle kicks in and mortgagee sales start occuring, the warning bells are the record provisions that the banks have set aside, true they can write them back to profit if not used, but one suspects they will be this time.
Our young have given up on NZ, get the degree and head offshore. Those migrants coming here are lower skilled, not many engineers or Drs... Until Auckland house to incomes match a 2nd tier aussie city or lower this will continue, the debt super cycle will hit NZ property and agri loans big time.
Houses are even more expensive there - quite a few similar Aussie sites to this all saying the same thing. Record immigration to artificially fuel a housing “boom” and put home ownership out of the reach of the young.
Yep wages are great, but housing is no more affordable and cities are unliveable in summer.
These kids should move somewhere in Northern Europe for higher wages, protected hours, high social services and standard of living.
If you're trying to explain a global collapse in demand then look no further than the Great Depression where the mega rich stopped spending.
While the rich continue to hoover up more and more of the wealth created from global production, while leaving less and less for a shrinking middle class, the results are, and will be, entirely predictable. These "debt supercycles - and the mini ones like we're having now - are the source of massive wealth transfers.
No one can say when the crash will happen, and whether people will re-start production of guillotines, but happen it will. Just like the total nonsense at the time of the GFC, they'll be saying, "No one could have predicted that!".
Sorry, I should have explained how it is being done. (Sorry if this comes as shock to many.)
Take my friend Jack ... Average Kiwi bloke earning $80,000 per year.
Government takes about $17,320 in income tax each year.
Jack hates paying tax and begrudges paying it.
How dare they take money he has earned!
Still, people tell him he actually gets back most of it in government services.
But Jack has also just taken out a $500,000 mortgage.
In the first year, Jack will pay some $34,839 in interest.
Yes, read that number again. Twice as much as the government takes from him in tax.
He'll never see this money again. Nor receive any physical services.
Some of it goes to people richer than him that have been able to save money and then lend it to banks.
The rest of it goes to very rich people through a convoluted series part-payments with yet more rich people taking a cut.
Does Jack begrudge paying this "Housing Tax" to faceless rich people?
No. Jack just accepts it as the price to pay that ensures that over time his 'asset' will appreciate in value.
But does it? Once all the costs are taken into account, and including the slice rich people take, and adjusted for real inflation and property cycles, it is questionable.
But what is unquestionable is that the rich have found a way to tax the majority of us way more than our governments do and provide nothing in return except for the 'privilege' of paying them more and more as they lend more and more to inflate house prices.
The word tax also means "a strain or heavy demand". That aside, as you can't escape it, nor chose not to pay it either directly or indirectly (except by going bush), it functions in all regards like a tax except the recipient isn't the state. Further, it's level is set by a state body, and like tax, that body doesn't seem to care who it impoverishs, nor how it shifts wealth from one person to another. Or in this case from the many to a very few.
Has anyone commenting on this thread, thought to read the Mike Joy posit?
Just ask'n.
Seems to me we have reached the long-foretold Limits to Growth - and even senior economists haven't a clue.
Time these people were sidelined - they were taught a lie (not to put too fine a point on it) and even intelligent ones, if steeped in the false assumption(s), are useless.
What do you make of Mike Joy being made redundant by Vic Uni?:
Top scientist Mike Joy loses role at Victoria University - NZ Herald
I assume the Climate Commission did not attempt to body-block the redundancy.
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