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David Mahon details the challenges and dilemmas China faces as Russia wages war in Ukraine

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David Mahon details the challenges and dilemmas China faces as Russia wages war in Ukraine
Xi and Putin

By David Mahon*

[Updated: This article was originally published on March 15, 2022. What follows is an updated version incorporating more recent events.]

China was surprised by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Putin misled Xi Jinping, telling him he would not invade. The Chinese Embassy in Kyiv was uncharacteristically ill-prepared to evacuate its nationals, and Beijing issued mixed statements in the first 72 hours of the crisis. Western leaders’ perception of the Russian and Chinese authoritarian regimes as one, with a shared aim to destabilise Western democracy, is mistaken.

Russia is declining and China is rising. Putin wants to disrupt the global order, Xi wishes to join it and influence it. Putin and Xi are both the sons of communist revolutionaries, both rose to power through chaos they witnessed in their countries as young men, but they are different. Putin came to power in the ruins of an empire being looted by kleptocrats and corralling the key players, he enriched himself, allowing the state to remain energy export-dependent rather than using the wealth to diversify the economy. A small group of millionaires became billionaires and the middle class dwindled. Xi also came to power in a period when many in the political elite and the wider government were deeply corrupt and the Chinese economy faced instability due to surging internal debt. He moved against the kleptocrats successfully, reduced government corruption, reduced debt and guided the economy to a high degree of domestic self-sufficiency, based on consumption and investment rather than exports.  The Chinese middle class continues to expand rapidly. Xi strengthened China while Putin weakened Russia.

The invasion of Ukraine places China in an ideological quandary. One of the first countries to recognise Ukrainian sovereignty in 1991, it refused to recognise Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014. China’s foreign affairs principles include that no nation should violate another’s sovereignty or interfere in its internal matters. In asserting these, Beijing is thinking very much of its own sovereign integrity. Its western borders have been the subject of territorial disputes, and Beijing is firm that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. Although Western China watchers tend to agree that Taiwan is an Asian Ukraine waiting to flare up, the two situations are not linked. China will deal with the Taiwan question at its own pace, hoping to achieve a peaceful resolution.

That the US, while waging economic war on China and struggling to contain it is dealing with a proxy war with Russia in Europe, has given rise to schadenfreude in China, but there is more hope for a truce than a Russian victory. 

China’s need to operate in the global economy is more important than any grievances it shares with Russia against the West.  If Washington and Brussels could work with China to resolve the Ukraine crisis rather than demand China simply take their side, a ceasefire would be possible soon and the start of negotiations to end the war.

China does not trust Russia. In the early 1960s the two countries split over Khrushchev’s repudiation of Stalin and differences over the application of Marxist principles, the rift lasting until 1989. In 1969, Chinese and Soviet troops clashed on the Ussuri River, and scores were killed. The present crisis may help Beijing accept that it does not need Russia to stand up to US coercion as its economic strength makes it powerful enough to do it alone.

War’s economic wounds

If its trade with Russia were disrupted China would struggle, but it would manage. The Russian economy is weak and lacks diversity; with GDP of just over USD4 trillion (in purchasing power parity), it is smaller than that of Guangdong Province and depends heavily on China for industrial and electronic equipment and a wide range of consumer products. Sanctions against Russia are necessary, but they need to be selective or they will simply punish the ordinary Russian people who cannot influence their government’s actions, but suffer their consequences.

Ukraine and Russia supply 30% of the world’s wheat exports and 19% of its corn. China is facing one of the lowest wheat harvests in years and will certainly subsidise its grain importers this year, while Western consumers will face uncommonly high food prices.  Developing areas, particularly Egypt, sub-Saharan Africa and South America will suffer real privation, probably famines. 

Shaping public perception

Passing the Canadian and German embassies in Beijing last week, a local driver pointed out the Chinese characters written over Ukrainian colours on the walls of both legations expressing solidarity with Ukrainian people. ‘I agree,’ he said.  ‘But I don’t remember any signs on Western embassies when Iraq was invaded. Are Europeans more important than Arabs? America wasn’t sanctioned back then either, was it?

Beijing and Washington maintain hard public stances toward each other. The Chinese media give greater weight to Putin’s conspiracies about Ukrainian atrocities, biological weapons and foreign military backing than the comments of European leaders, which often read as dubious afterthoughts. Many Chinese citizens have VPNs and can pass through the Chinese firewall easily to access international content. The trouble with propaganda (increasingly used by both authoritarian regimes and democracies) is that the propagandists often forget where they hid the truth they strove to distort.

It appears that China has begun to ameliorate its position toward Washington. More positive articles about the US are appearing in the Chinese media. It is encouraging that Biden had a two-hour video call with Xi on March 19th, although it is hard to know its substance, as Washington only reported that Biden threatened China with “consequences” if it aided Russia, while Beijing reported that the conversation was “in depth and cordial”.

China off balance

Beijing stopped recognising Russian-US dollar denominated letters of credit on March 8th. China will distance itself further from the spheres of Western sanctions on Russia, as there are rational concerns in Beijing that Washington will try to use the Ukraine crisis to sanction China as part of its longer-term aim of slowing China’s rise. It would help if China could be clearer that it does not support the invasion, perhaps while acknowledging Russia’s deeper security concerns and making it clear to Europe and the US that it is committed to continuing humanitarian aid to Ukraine. 

China has an entente rather than an alliance with Russia, and is unlikely to give it military aid, but neither will it back NATO. Russia alone is responsible for this brutal, medieval invasion. Despite NATO’s strategic insensitivity at the end of the Cold War, and the fact that the consistent violator of the so-called global rules-based system in recent years has been its prime architect, the United States, this is not the time to litigate past transgressions, but to establish peace and stability in the present. China wants peace as much as the West. It is also alarmed at the prospect of facing an economic relationship with a more US-dependent Europe in which Washington will increase pressure on European companies to not deal with China. 

NATO is galvanising, which may deter Putin from wider territorial ambitions.  Putin has already created the opposite of that which his invasion set out to achieve.  If NATO can remain steady enough, it should not simply try to reassert itself, but use its strength and unity to negotiate a long-term solution with Ukraine, Russia and Europe. 

As the West adjusts to its loss of global dominance it is time to rethink the ramifications of aggressive Western cohorts such as AUKUS and the Quad, otherwise it will drive Russia and China closer, which is in the interest of neither the West nor China. China needs to put aside its chagrin toward the US and Europe and use its considerable economic power and political influence to help stabilise the environment upon which it and the global economy depend.


*David Mahon is the Executive Chairman of Beijing-based Mahon China Investment Management Limited, which was founded in 1985. 

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Not usually a big fan of this writer, but I really liked this article.

Nice work.

And make love, not war. 

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I have known David Mahon for many years.

He has lived in Beijing for more than 30 years in and is very well networked.  Arguably, he is the best informed Kiwi in China. Indeed there are very few westerners who have either his depth of experience or networks.

One does not have to agree with everything David writes, but he always writes from a well informed position, and his views are always worthy of respect.  
KeithW

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This comment is hardly consistent with the facts on the ground: 

With nominal GDP of just over US$1.6 trillion, the Russian economy is smaller than the economy of Guangdong Province.

The maintenance and rocket propelled shuttle vehicle costs associated with the International Space Station add up to this GDP estimate since 2000.

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You seem to be replying to me, but I don't understand your message.  Are you saying that David's comment about Russia versus Guangdong is wrong? It looks broadly correct to me.
KeithW

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The CIA chooses to say otherwise, to better reflect Russia's internal industrial capacity.

The IMF comes up with similar findings.

George Soros and any other well funded currency dealer can price a currency pair through the floor versus the USD and come to Mahon's GDP estimate.

It happened here:

The Big Short on the New Zealand dollar against the US Dollar

In 1987, he was a 32-year old trader at Bankers Trust. In 1987, during the Black Monday (Oct. 19, 1987), the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) lost about 22% in a single day.

After the American stock market crash, there were some currencies that were rallying against the US Dollar. By that time, Andrew Krieger thought that the New Zealand dollar was obviously fundamentally appreciated. Therefore, he decided to go heavily short on Kiwi. He used his trading limit on the firm ($700 million), and in addition, by applying options techniques he managed to leverage his position by 400:1. Overall, he built a vast short position, larger even than the whole New Zealand dollar money supply.

Within a few hours of starting his short position, the New Zealand dollar against the US dollar crashed 5% and he made $300 million for Bankers Trust and $3 million for himself.

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David Mahon stated his comparison was nominal dollars.  I have checked the numbers and David got his comparison right. The other way to do it is purchasing power parity (PPP).  Both are accepted methodologies, and both are valid, as long as it is recognised that they are different metrics used for different comparisons.  On the PPP comparison, Russia comes out somewhat better, but the overall message is the same; i.e. the economic activity of Russia (before the war) and just one Chinese Province, albeit a large province with about 9% of China's total population, are of the same order.

I am not sure the relevance of your cost of the space station, but your cost of $US1.6 trillion per annum does not seem credible. Did you mean billion?
KeithW

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I didn't say per annum. I said from 2000 and probably should have included the pre- takeoff research and trial manufacturing costs.

I have no issue with the country/province comparison, but the Russian USD 1.6 trillion GDP estimate is a misrepresentation domestic output capacity.

Do you have a link to Guangdong Province PPP GDP data releases - I am interested for future reference?

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Audaxes,
This is where I got the base figures, then I did a few back of the envelope calculations from there.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_…

Developing countries and those with closed economies typically come out lower on nominal GDPs using official exchange rates into USD, than on purchasing power parity (PPP). This is the case for both Russia and China. There should be no difference between sources for nominal GDP for a particular date but the comparisons do vary with exchange rate volatility. PPP comparisons depend somewhat on the choice of the comparative basket of goods.

When I am working overseas, if I want to get a measure of standard of living within the country I look at PPP. But if I want to look at economic power of the nation, and its potential as a trading partner, then I would look at nominal figures using the official exchange rate.

Both nominal and PPP numbers for Russia will drop considerably this year, almost certainly more in nominal USD terms than for PPP. 

Overall, China's GDP at official exchange rates was between 8 and 9 times that of Russia before the Russia melt down, and about 6 times that of Russia on a PPP basis. 

As for Ukraine they have always been a basket case with very low GDP - even lower than NZ despite 8 times the population - and very poor social indicators with high unemployment, low birth rates, declining population and low life expectancies.  Greatly inferior to both Russia and China on all measures,
KeithW

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Thks for the link Keith.

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Audaxes,

Stunningly irrelevant. What did Soros's bet against Sterling in 1992-Black Wednesday- say about the Uk's nominal GDP? Nothing.

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Lower cable currency pair prints mean the UK USD GDP classification is lower.

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The ISS is not on the ground and has not cost anything like US$1.6 trillion.  

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Sorry Keith but this one statement illustrates his blinkers and the tint he has on his perspective; "Many in the West mistakenly see the Russian and Chinese authoritarian regimes as one, with a shared aim to destabilise Western democracy." 

If anyone considers China and Russia 'as one' then they haven't done any reading, or considered history. It is true they are both authoritarian regimes, but to argue that they seek to destabilise western democracy as a shared goal is at best an oversimplification. I suggest they are at best opportunistic friends of convenience at best. They are both seeking to increase their influence and dominance but ultimately one must realise that should they succeed, neither would be prepared to share the throne with the other. Neither would fully trust the other as they simply do not share common values. Culturally the two nations are just too different.

To claim NATO is galvanising, is another distortion. I suggest that NATO is doing anything but galvanising. It will be true it's posture is stepped up, and preparing to invoke it's defense clauses if Putin crosses a NATO border, but this is not 'galvanising'. It may have been true if NATO and the EU had decided that the threat to Europe was such that Putin needed to be stopped in Ukraine, but it is clear that they haven't. 

So no I don't think Mahon has nailed it here, but is rather presenting an Asian perspective, that is not especially accurate.

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Hmmmm - there are many who carry the old 'communist' label (particularly the boomer bracket; youngies not so much). It was a powerful message once; Holyoake pontificating upon falling dominoes etc.; no differentiation between R and C. So he may well have a point, or maybe his memory of such-held western ideas is time-frozen back a few decades.

In hindsight, I think Putin fell for a neocon trap (we've been beyond inter-nation-al politics for some time, something not many factor-in). Both will realise this is the final phase in the Limits to Growth - as will the Chinese leadership; it's hardly rocket-science. Last one standing wins what's left.

‘Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days
Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays:
Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays,
And one by one back in the Closet lays.'

(can't remember where I put something five minutes ago - but that stays on from school, pre-'70.   :)

 

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Murray86,
I think you misread David Mahon's perspective by 180 percent. Like you, he says that China and Russia are 'not one' in relation to their perspectives.

But in any case, the key value of David's article is that it helps explain the issues that China faces and their positioning as a consequence thereof. In that context, it always pays to understand where both your friends and enemies are coming from. That was something that people as diverse as Nelson Mandela and Henry Kissinger  always understood. In the case of Mandela, it was why, when he was in prison that he studied Afrikaans poetry.  It was also how Henry Kissinger was able to foretell in 2014 where things would head towards in relation to Ukraine if both sides did not understand the thinking of the other side. In that regard Kissinger was an absolute master who played the game as if he were playing chess and with total pragmatism aimed at getting the best outcome. It was all about understanding the thinking of the other side and then finding the path forward. Here is his Ukraine article from 2014. 
 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-u…
KeithW   

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Yeah I agree with you. This article provided a very balanced and unbiased view of the current situation. Unlike some people who had never set foot in China yet think they're the experts on China and the Chinese people.

However, I am not sure Putin/Russia is the only one responsible for this war. He is certainly doing all the dirty work!

Putin once said: “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart.” And then he said, “Whoever wants it back has no brain.”

So I think he is smart enough to know that Russia does not have what it takes to "build back" the Soviet Union.

The question I have to ask is why is NATO(mostly USA I think) wanting to keep expanding (towards Russia)? I can appreciate why Ukraine wants to joint NATO. To my knowledge NATO is a military alliance against Soviet Union/Russia. How would NATO/USA feel if they were in Russia's shoe? What was USA's reaction to SU when the Cubans wanted SU missiles for self defense cos they were worry about the Americans were going to invade Cuba? It almost ended in a nuclear war (refer to the Cuban Missile Crisis)! Do we see any similarities with the current situation? It normally takes two to tangle.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/

 

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Nice assessment from the China perspective, but what of the bigger picture? Where does the new multipolar approach recently agreed by China and Russia fit? How would China react if ourselves and our unipolar NATO partners took over Vietnam on its border and attempted to turn Vietnam against China and go around treating anyone in the country who spoke chinese or was Chinese badly or even killing them? What if NATO sent in military advisers and trained up the Vietnamese to kill Chinese and supported them acquiring nuclear weapons for attacking China? How would China react to Vietnam? How would it regard NATO and any partners such as New Zealand? Under its new multipolar view how does China regard unipolar New Zealand and its partnership with NATO on China and Russia doorsteps??

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The way I see it, the only winner out of the current situation is China:

1. Russia wins - China as one of the few friends of Russia benefits from a cheap super-supplier of (Russian AND Ukrainian) oil, gas, coal, wheat and rare metals (essential for high-technology), while Russia uses China as a proxy to launder its resources for cash and trade.

2. Russia loses - China as one of the few friends has a lapdog in the form of the largest country in the world, again with a wealth of resources

3. World goes into recession - China reverts to its "world's factory of cheap goods" mode and burns as much coal and gas it wants and nothing the world can say about it. Meanwhile, China gets a few more countries into its pockets.

4. Follow on from 3., China can build its currency to become, if not THE dominant, then one of the dominant ones in the world.

5. Taiwan may end up becoming a vassal state of China not by force but economics. Nearby countries may follow - S Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, perhaps more. The only ones that may likely resist are Japan, Australia, Singapore (despite its predominantly Chinese population, it is super wealthy and can resist China's checkbook diplomacy), Indonesia, India.

I think countries like Australia which are largely self-reliant, may weather the recession well.

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China doesn't win if WW3 occurs, does it? So it's potentially a pyrrhic victory. They need to be actively mediating for peace.

Also in your Scenario 1, I think there's every chance that the West will decouple further from China. Which won't be good for China.

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Agree. China is playing a long game here. Now it may have gathered pace a bit quicker than expected, but still on track. Simple philosophy. Any weakening of a rival power makes China a stronger one. Russia is presently ably performing that function. China need to do not much more than observe their strategy with both patience & perseverance, but also with preparedness to go to a short game, if the need arises. Can’t same I blame them. The mountain is coming to Mohammed, so to speak.

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See directly above.

Not much point to their strategy if the war escalates and goes nuclear, right?

Even if they weren't targeted by the US (they surely would be), then the nuclear winter would pretty much wipe them out.

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China is  not going to go nuclear. Why should they. Everything is going their way, without them having to do anything at all. And that means Russia won’t go nuclear ape either. China is playing it something like they play Nth Korea. Do what you want but if you actually start a war, you won’t get any support from us, you’ll be all on your own. In other words you go nuke, we won’t be on your side. China has though one glaring weakness. Food. They have to import sustenance for the people to have enough to eat. Some times it’s touch and go. That’s why people have got sick from  eating large rodents. Protein can get very scarce. China is not going to allow any global food supply to be nuked. Xi has got Vlad the Invader by the short and curlies, soon to be Vlad the Invalid (both meanings.)

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I didn't say China will go nuclear, but Putin might if this keeps escalating and he pushes into NATO territory.

Even limited nuclear exchange in Europe, where China wasn't nuked but Russia was, would pose massive problems for China. Obviously economic ones, but also in terms of basic things like growing crops etc.  Not to mention radiation sickness / death from fallout.

Remember - China is right next to Russia. 

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I apologise, I went to edit, just before your reply, to clarify what was vague on my part. Have not forgotten China neighbours Russia & neither  has China.In the 1960s they were at loggerheads.  Nor have they forgotten that Genghis Khan stretched his empire west  beyond Ukraine, The Bolgar Volgas, before his grandson Kublai consolidated it all into the Yuan dynasty. Today’s currency moniker, get it. General McMaster one time Trump advisor is on record that China is ambitious, very expansionistic with it too,  in territory, China deserves to regain all of its former global glory. The empire strikes back, that sort of stuff, Hell they think the Philippines still belong to them. But ask yourself in what direction could China easily expand. In what direction is their old empire, and militarily what else is their present strength in design, but massive land based manoeuvres. In what direction are all the grain pastures. And here is Putin, opening the door, come and get it. As said, China is playing a long game, and they know too how they are going to play the end game.

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So you see very limited chance of nuclear war, hence no need for China to be very active in the diplomatic space?

I reckon nuclear is at least a 25% chance. I would have said 1-5% at the start of the war.

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I think Putin, verging on megalomania, could decide to go nuke something. His generals though have forgotten more about a battlefield than Putin   
could ever know. They have seen it, first hand, the death & suffering of innocents, they mostly , probably have family themselves. Putin knows about death & misery from a KGB angle, ie the subversive type. In WW2 the front line generals despised the equivalent commissars. I would think that if Putin gets to that mad point,  he will be gone before he can get anywhere near any button, and especially as the generals will be fully aware of China’s position. 

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hmmmm, Hitler was not knocked off was he, even though he had well and truly become deluded / mad.

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Not for lack of trying. There were at least eight attempts to assassinate Hitler during WWII, as well as many before then.

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"I think countries like Australia which are largely self-reliant, may weather the recession well."

I don't know why you think Australia is largely self-reliant? China represent over 30% of Australia's trade and it relies on USA for security/defense.

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Is it not? Does it not grow its own food? Does it not have a large population to help drive its economy? Does it not have many industries domestically that allows it to survive easily?

Australia is looking to reduce trade with China. It's in talks with India to replace China. Australia also has many of the rare metals, oil, gas and coal that the rest of the world wants for its high tech devices and energy needs.

Oz is spending billions on the military, and receiving nuclear subs from the US. Plenty of trade now with the US and UK.

It's not a perfect country but it's positioned well, is what I'm saying...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ohj_pOjp6U

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You have contradicted yourself:

"Australia is looking to reduce trade with China. It's in talks with India to replace China. Australia also has many of the rare metals, oil, gas and coal that the rest of the world wants for its high tech devices and energy needs."

Is this self-reliance? You have merely replace China with India and whoever else want to buy Australia's stuff.

 

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And this from you:

"receiving nuclear subs from the US"

Is this self-reliance? 

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Australia is buying them from the USA. They ditched France to do so. Don’t be surprised if Japan alters it’s legislation to buy some too & India some more. Obviously nuclear powered not armed. The QUAD was formed to enable and facilitate regional military cooperation. This is it gearing up.

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Definition of Self-reliance from Vocabulary.com - a quality of depending on yourself for things instead of relying on others. 

May be Tigadee's interpretation of Self-reliance is - one is free to choose whoever they want to trade with/rely on. Like the Aussies ditched the French for US subs.

The QUAD is clearly a military alliance aim at China even though they deny it but China is no fool. Yet they complain about China cosying up with Russia (I wonder why).  This article mentioned the history between Russia and China. The relationship was not rosy. "Your enemy's enemy is your friend" can probably explain their partnership. The US feels the rise of China will threaten their domination of the world and it must be stopped. China will want to have more say/influence on the world stage at they grow bigger economically and more powerful militarily, and may even want to take US's place. We are living in a dangerous time. 

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Yep. I’m in your boat. I can well remember 1956 when Russia suppressed the uprising in Hungary. While this war in Ukraine is greater and obviously different, in terms of sovereignty for a start, there is to me déjà vu about it all. I remember the newsreels, Life magazine pictorials and the intake here of Hungarian refugees. The flavour of world affairs, politically, economically & militarily has plunged back to that time, the West versus the old, for want of a better description,  Communist Bloc. Still the playing field is much different too, the latter is much smaller by a number of nations, and China now the far greater power, the entanglements of globalisation are going to take quite some untangling though.

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Fair point.

What I am (trying to) saying is that countries like Australia, if cut off from the world, could sustain itself. It has the resources, population and industries to.

The US and Canada would be another example. In fact, the US was very self-sufficient until it opened up relations with China and outsourced much to them.

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China depends on oil and gas from Russia, being its largest supplier after Saudi Arabia...

Saudi Arabia has just invited President Xi to visit and Saudi refuses to provide more oil for President Biden.  Saudi is currently involved in Yemeni War (very similar to Russia in Ukraine) and may be worried by the US led financial penalties placed on Russia's war.  If those penalties were placed on Saudi the Kingdom would be in immense difficulty.   

China may gain immensely by staying neutral and continuing to purchase Russian oil outside of SWIFT system sanctions. China is positioned as a much more welcoming partner to the oil supplying nations.  

Age of the petroyuan commencing?

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The 'petroyuan' already exists, and the yuan is already used extensively for trade between China and Russia.  This works for Siberian oil and gas.  But the logistics are not in place to easily get oil and gas to China from other parts of Russia.
KeithW

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Hi Keith,do you have any idea what China has in reserves of food commoditys-why I ask is Rababank have run a senario if China was to join forces with Russia & sanctions where to be applied accordingly to China,could be dire straits for those reliant on exports into China if they decide to retaliate (ie NZ Dairy Industry- 40% of all exports)Regards

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China always has enough grain to feed its people but not enough to also feed all of the animals (pigs and  dairy in particular).

Russia could provide the feed - almost certainly Russia already does provide considerable feed, but USA and Brazil are currently likely to be the most important.  I don't have the figures at my finger tips but I am confident this is the 'big picture'. 

China's dairy imports from NZ are mainly whole milk powder. There is no other source for this.

So, NZ is in a good space.  But China could always survive without us in which case people would need to reduce their protein intake. 

Current high grain prices all over the globe suggest that other dairy producers (and exporters) are unlikely to be increasing dairy production.  There should be good times ahead for dairy as long as politics does not interfere. 
KeithW

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sorry Keith, I know you are talking from an export point of view, but I wouldn't describe being reliant on an authoritarian regime accused of genocide and disappearing dissenters as "a good space"

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Russia Signs Oil and Gas Deals With China as Relations With the West Sour

  • Gazprom to ship 10Bcm of gas per year to China via a new route

  • Oil deliveries to China via Kazakhstan to continue beyond 2023

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If China supplies missiles to Russia to bomb Ukrainian civilians then things will sour for China very quickly. It would be consistent with previous Chinese  policy of enabling regimes like North Korea and Myanmar.

It is racist but it is a fact that when Europeans see European Ukrainians that look just like them being bombed (so that Putin and his 40 thieves can steal more resources) they can relate. If the Chinese supply the bombs that the Russians are running out of then the Europeans will have to come to terms with the idea that you can't fund the people that are helping your enemies. China will not be our friend.

Russia has had it in this escapade, win or lose the actual ground battle if it doesn't come to an agreement and withdraw from Ukraine it will become a closed economy dependent on China for manufactured goods. 

We will know if China thinks it has what it wants to go it alone with a greater Chinese co-prosperity sphere at this moment in time by the choices it makes as to whether or not to send bombs to Russia so that the Russians can continue to bomb European cities.

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It is racist but it is a fact that when Europeans see European Ukrainians that look just like them being bombed (so that Putin and his 40 thieves can steal more resources) they can relate.

True... There's plenty of outrage because Ukrainians are white and look like any other Europeans and Americans. That's why there's so little outrage about Yemen, XinJiang or Myanmar. Where's the teenage girl going in front of the Chinese (CCP) or Saudis hissing "How dare you?"

Makes me worry what the west would do if China does decide to invade Taiwan, for example. Would they see it as "a domestic dispute" and they shouldn't meddle in "internal affairs"?

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It's also fair to say that if China was going to make a geopolitical move in the south seas, could be ideal at some time in the current scenario, one could interpret their response to the humanitarian atrocities complicit.

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The Global game has reached a very interesting bend in the road. Can't see Putin coming out of this very well. His ego is bigger than the whole Russian economy.

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For China, the only thing worse than the current situation, is Russia losing. They simply have no other major allies, and Russia becoming a failed state or forced into vassalage would be the worst outcome for them.

I don't think there's much that the EU/Anglosphere can dangle in the way of baubles for China. What have they been faced with over the past few years? Threats and sanctions. There's no reason to believe the West would play nice even if China dropped Russia - and i'm sure the Chinese don't believe that. So their logical policy is to continue to support Russia while being subtle about it. It's a bit like the years leading up to WWI - as the alliances reshuffled the Germans were only left with Austria-Hungary, a declining power at the time that was good on paper but structurally weak underneath. Now a rampantly growing China is left with Russia to cultivate.

As for the rest of the world, there is a definite neutrality/ambivalence about the current War. We should ask ourselves why we are in a frenzy and they aren't. Maybe they are actually the impartial juror...

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Russia’s modern history is not convincing, let’s say from the 20th century onwards at least. Firstly they got done over by the Japanese navy at Pt Arthur. Then WW1, the revolution, they were over a barrel to the Germans, and believe it or not briefly ceded Ukraine to them. And then came Adolf, the Non Aggression Pact, 1939 Russia got half of Poland for nothing, and then made hay while the sun shone, supplying raw material to the the Nazi war machine,  against Britain, France, Benelux and on, until came Barbarossa and the Nazis happily fired it all back again.  So the moral of the story, pacts mean nothing. Xi likely is playing Putin like Adolf played Joe.

ps. with such a moniker, betrayal should come as second nature!

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I dont believe the conflict will become nuclear. Russia wants to reclaim Ukraine not level it.  Then what? I see Australia hope to bring charges against Putin.  So, perhaps economies are agreed to remove him then make the most of Russia's resources?? I guess.  I hope the war for Ukrainians and Russians is over soon.  None of the major economies mentioned can really cast the first stone

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Russia is in decline and China is rising.

Not sure if I would describe a country that will likely half its population within 30 years as "rising." The revitalisation of China after the collapse of the Qing Dynasty is important in global affairs and economics but this is a country which has huge internal challenges ahead.

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Same goes for Russia too. Its birth rates declining, death rates increasing, a less educated AND decreasing population every year - it's likely ungovernable in a decade...

China at least has a more educated population every year, one which it has to keep tight reigns on.

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"China was surprised by the timing of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The Chinese Embassy in Kyiv was uncharacteristically ill-prepared to evacuate its nationals....."

No Sir, China (and possibly Iran) was the key to avoiding sanctions. China has the money and lower level tech chips, and the capacity to supply goods.  Iran can manufacture arms.

If you look at some videos of chinese students in Kyiv, no food and no help from consular officials. Expendable.

Vlad P is the master chess player, outwitted Obama, danced with Trump but met his match in Joe.

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I feel that Putin has played a weak hand very well over the last 20 years, destabilising the west (until now)

However it staggers me that he targets all of his energy westwards (NATO, EU, US, UK), which is of no conceivable threat to the sovereignty of Russia, while totally ignoring the real threat to his east.

China must be licking its lips, waiting for the spoils of war to fall into their lap no matter what the outcome in Ukraine. 

It's startlingly blind.

 

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China and Russia have long settled all of their territorial disputes. Both understand very clearly that 'the enemy of my enemy is at least my ally and arguably my friend'.  There is no great natural empathy between them, but the natural alignment of their economies is fundamental. All China needs is an open trade border. That also applies to China in regard to the rest of the world.
KeithW

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