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How far interest rates will fall when inflation abates will depend on the persistence of public debt, on how climate policies are financed and on the extent of deglobalisation, the IMF says

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How far interest rates will fall when inflation abates will depend on the persistence of public debt, on how climate policies are financed and on the extent of deglobalisation, the IMF says
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By Jean-Marc NatalPhilip Barrett

Real interest rates have rapidly increased recently as monetary policy has tightened in response to higher inflation. Whether this uptick is temporary or partly reflects structural factors is an important question for policymakers.

Since the mid-1980s, real interest rates at all maturities and across most advanced economies have been steadily declining. Such long-run changes in real rates likely reflect a decline in the natural rate, which is the real interest rate that would keep inflation at target and the economy operating at full employment–neither expansionary nor contractionary.

The natural rate is a reference point for central banks that use it to gauge the stance of monetary policy. It is also important for fiscal policy. Because governments typically pay back debt over decades, the natural rate—the anchor for real rates in the long term—helps determine the cost of borrowing and the sustainability of public debts.

In an analytical chapter of our latest World Economic Outlook, we explore what forces have driven the natural rate in the past and what is the most likely future path for real interest rates in advanced and emerging market economies, based on the outlook for these factors.

Historical drivers of natural rates

An important question when analyzing past synchronised declines in real interest rates is how much they were driven by domestic as opposed to global forces. Does productivity growth in China and the rest of the world, for instance, matter for real interest rates in the United States?

Our analysis concludes that global forces matter, but that their net effect on the natural rate has been relatively modest. Fast growing emerging market economies acted as a magnet for advanced economies’ savings, lifting their natural rate up as investors took advantage of higher rates of return abroad. However, because savings in emerging markets accumulated faster than these countries’ ability to provide safe and liquid assets, much of it was reinvested in advanced economies’ government securities—such as US Treasuries—pushing their natural rate back down, especially since the global financial crisis in 2008.

To investigate this issue in more depth, we use a detailed structural model to identify the most important forces that can explain comovement in natural rates over the past 40 years. On top of global forces that impact net capital flows, we find that total factor productivity growth (the total amount of output produced with all factor inputs in the economy) and demographic forces, such as changes in fertility and mortality rates or time spent in retirement, are major drivers of the decline in natural rates.

Higher fiscal financing needs have pushed up real rates in some countries, like in Japan and Brazil. Other factors, such as the increase in inequality or drop in labor shares have also played a role, but to a lesser extent. In emerging markets, the picture is more mixed with some countries, like India, seeing an increase in the natural rate over the period.

Outlook for real interest rates

These factors are not likely to behave very differently in the future, so natural rates in advanced economies will likely remain low. As emerging market economies adopt more advanced technology, total factor productivity growth is expected to converge to the pace of advanced economies. When combined with an aging population, natural rates in emerging market economies are projected to decline towards advanced economies’ rates over the long term.

Of course, this projection is as good as the projection of the underlying drivers. In the current post-pandemic context, alternative assumptions could be relevant:

  • Government support may be difficult to withdraw, increasing public debt. As a result, so-called convenience yields—the premium paid by investors in the form of foregone interest for holding scarce, safe, and liquid government debt—may erode, raising natural rates in the process.
     
  • Transitioning to a cleaner economy in a budget neutral way would tend to push global natural rates lower in the medium term, as higher energy prices (reflecting a combination of taxes and regulations) would bring down the marginal productivity of capital. However, deficit-financing of public investment in green infrastructure and subsidies could potentially offset and even reverse this result.
     
  • Deglobalisation forces could intensify, leading to both trade and financial fragmentation, and bringing the natural rate up in advanced economies and down in emerging market economies.

Individually these scenarios would have only limited effects on the natural rate but a combination, especially of the first and third scenarios, could have a significant impact in the long run.

Overall, our analysis suggests that recent increases in real interest rates are likely to be temporary. When inflation is brought back under control, advanced economies’ central banks are likely to ease monetary policy and bring real interest rates back towards pre-pandemic levels. How close to those levels will depend on whether alternative scenarios involving persistently higher government debt and deficits, or financial fragmentation materialise. In large emerging markets, conservative projections of future demographic and productivity trends suggest a gradual convergence towards advanced economies’ real interest rates.

This blog is based on Chapter 2 of the April 2023 World Economic Outlook,“The Natural Rate of Interest: Drivers and Implications for Policy." The authors of the chapter are Philip Barrett (co-lead), Christoffer Koch, Jean-Marc Natal (co-lead), Diaa Noureldin, and Josef Platzer, with support from Yaniv Cohen and Cynthia Nyakeri.


Jean-Marc Natal is Deputy Chief in the World Economic Studies Division in the IMF’s Research Department. Philip Barrett is an economist in the IMF’s Research Department. This is a re-post of an article that ran on the IMF blog.

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Inverted yield curves mean Central Banks are disincentivizing the flow of credit and choking the economy off, and hence causing sharp slowdowns. The longer the curve inversion lasts, the more economic damage follows. The Fed will be forced to cut to ~1%, but they will be late. Link

My TMC Global Credit Impulse index measures the amount of real-economy money printing for the 5 largest economies in the world. It looks worse than just before the Great Financial Crisis and the Eurozone Debt Crisis. And that doesn't account yet for the upcoming credit crunch. Link

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Love Alf's reference to 'money un-printing' 

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It still looks painful to burn virtual printed money to me...   I could look after it for them

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By Averageman: "Those thinking rates will return to the artificial lows of covid are wearing tinfoil hats … tinfoil hats can be repurposed to make popcorn"

Please tell me how you make popcorn with your tinfoil hat ?  Do you put the corn in the tinfoil, and then pop them in the microwave?

On a more serious note, you seem to have no idea what's coming, the economy is going to tank, badly, worse than we've experienced for a very, very long time, and as a consequence, interest rates are going to be slashed.  Copy this comment and post it back in one year 11/04/24

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I think both the economy will tank and CPI will remain stubbornly high.

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Agreed, and central banks will drop interest rates when the economy tanks, even when inflation is still way above target! 

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Dropping rates drives spending and forces inflation back up..  so it cant happen.

Rates will go higher and economies will tank until things rebalance naturally.

We have to take our hangover pills - regardless we dont like the taste. The only solution to this was not drinking (aka creating a ton of cheap credit) yesterday.

 

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The RBNZ has a dual Mandate now, so its very possible for them to drop interest rates to stimulate employment/economic activity while inflation remains higher than their guideline.   As far as I know their mandate doesn't give relative weightings to each factor, so it is up to them which they weight higher (when it eventuates), skyrocketing unemployment, or inflation.

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OSE "Dropping rates drives spending and forces inflation back up..  so it cant happen."

Maybe I can better explain my point with this scenario: imagine you're holding a burning hot anvil in your hands, above your foot.  At some stage you're going to drop the anvil, even if you know that it's going to cause even more damage to you foot.

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If they drop it while inflation remains high they will end up needing to raise it again soon afterwards.

Its fools gold.. as was dropping it too low for too long and printing too much money.

The whole problem now is that people only see ways to make money if borrowing money is cheap.. which it cant be .

Zombie businesses that rely on cheap cash or ever accelerating asset values (caused by cheap money) will fail along with those that have overleveraged

Government will end up cutting costs and saying no to people.

Unemployment will rise and most will feel poorer but the world wont end and we will adapt to consume less.. most of us will be fine and many will even thrive.

And in the long term we will have a much stronger economy.

Its a process and is cyclical.. it happens every 5-10 years or so...  this one will be deeper than those in recent history because we prolonged the boom.

You cant fight gravity (for long)

 

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Perhaps time for monetary authorities to take a backseat and force fiscal policymakers to step up and spend on things other than election lollies.

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While I mostly agree with you, there are a couple of points to consider here:

  • Central banks don't determine interest rates, they determine cash rates. Interest rates are a risk premium, and are determined by borrowers and lenders.
  • If interest rates do drop, this means either that risk has decreased by a commensurate amount, or that interest rates are no longer a reliable mechanism for pricing risk

As for the second point, I'd argue that if interest rates do drop, then it's the latter which is true. When risk can't be quantified properly then people stop borrowing and lending, and at that point it won't matter much what interest rates are. We end up with liquidity issues like the ones we've already seen, or as somebody else once put it, "pushing on a piece of string". So this idea that central banks are going to push the envelope as far as they can to bring inflation under control and then pull back at the last minute before everything collapses in on itself may indeed end up happening, but it won't end up with things returning to "normal" again at the end of it. New tools will be required - UBIs, negative rates, CBDCs, all sorts of weird and wonderful things to try and keep things from falling apart once we can no longer get away with pretending there's no risk in the world anymore.

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I agree with your post too, Chebbo.

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Excellent point. 

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Yvil, I think this had been discussed many times on this site. For New Zealand, it had been approved that the rates won't be dropped if the inflation is still above target. For RBNZ, their creditability is way more important than how economy is doing. Orr stated in open public that they will engineer an economy recession to tame inflation if they have to. I think recession and deflation won't happen at the same time, it's likely we will have recession and inflation coexisting for a short period of time. RBNZ will have to keep the rates high through that period time, then when inflation is clearly tamed, they will start dropping rates, but rates might never go back to pre-covid level. Likely there will be a new neutral level of OCR.  

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Once the world starts dropping interest rates I'm pretty sure that RBNZ will drop the OCR too.

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Yes, eventually the world will start dropping interest rates, so will RBNZ. The question here is when and by how much. Is it going to be when the economy tanks or is it going to be when individual country's inflation comes down to its central bank's target range?

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COH, central banks "should keep raising rates to prevent from runaway inflation but they won't, it's human nature.  Se repost from above:

Imagine you're holding a burning hot anvil in your hands, above your foot.  At some stage you're going to drop the anvil, even if you know that it's going to cause even more damage to you foot

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Remember the mandate of central banks are about price stability. I think as the economic data going weaker, they will be more cautious about rates hiking but if inflation still stays high along with other data shows, they will continue to hike or keep rates high.  "Burning hot anvil in my hands"? Continue to hold it to burn my hands or drop it to damage my foot? Which one causes more damage? Why worrying about damaging my foot if I'm wearing shoes? 

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by Yvil | 11th Apr 23, 11:59am 1681171180

Agreed, and central banks will drop interest rates when the economy tanks, even when inflation is still way above target! 

 

If OCR/mortgage rates are falling in the near future it is because we have a very sick economy (which I believe we already have, but it has been masked by central banks and governments giving credit/debt to zombie companies and housholds at 0% interest rates and via excessive welfarism/government deficit spending - this 'reality' will reveal itself, it just needs time as the bad debt gets exposed).

Also note that past periods of recession and falling interest rates, the majority of asset price destruction occurs AFTER the central bank pivots.

https://preview.redd.it/the-major-drops-in-stock-markets-occur-after-th…

So anyone who thinks we have most likely witnessed the worst part of asset price destruction....and that a reversal of interest rates is going to be the saviour of their portfolios/wealth, I'd be very cautious about taking that position given the environment we currently find ourselves in and the track record over the decades of such events/scenarios.

Central banks and government may try to make this look 'not so bad' in nominal terms (by again printing and spending), but if they do again what they did in 2020, we will see even larger losses of wealth in real/inflation adjusted terms - if not in nominal terms. 

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Welcome back IO, from a very long exile.

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one thing is for sure... no experts have got it right so far..

the problem they have is they are spinning 9 plates on two poles.

Inflation v interest rates v debt v $$$rate v employment v poverty v living wage v green policies v getting voted back in ...

...nowhere does integrity, moral / fiscal fortitiude, and saying NO come into it

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Yep I agree.

Stagflation. Actually worse than that because the ‘stag’ bit implies very weak growth rather than a significant fall in growth. 

I think the CPI might come down towards 4-5% by late this year as the economy slumps big time. But not down to 2-3%. 4-5% is still too high.

It’s all very unpredictable but I think what this might mean is that sometime soon OCR hikes will stop and there will be a pause - no movement up or down. Perhaps come this time next year the CPI might be down to around 3-4%, and given that and surging unemployment, the RBNZ starts cutting the OCR, given it’s employment mandate. Perhaps by end of ‘24 it’s back to about 3.5%, then drops to circa 2.5% by mid-late ‘25.

But hey these are at best educated guesses.

Btw on that employment mandate of the RBNZ - will the Nats change it if they get in? In principle you would think they would, but practically / politically they might not? Having high unemployment on your watch isn’t great in terms of politics

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by Independent_Observer | 17th May 21, 4:26pm

Its the script for a perfect storm - lock in as many FHB's at extroadinary prices/debt levels then start the squeeze of rising interest rates.

As long as wages rise at the same rate as inflation...no problem...but can all businesses pass on higher wages to staff if all their input costs are rising as well - it could become a very nasty feedback loop. If they do, it will create more inflation, which the RBNZ will then need to battle by raising interest rates, which get passed to mortgages, which means staff need higher wages, which mean businesses put up prices even higher, which raises inflation, which the RBNZ will then need to battle..(and so on and so forth..)

 

Zero upvotes - May 2021. 

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HouseMouse

I agree on one of your comments - these are "guesses". 

Just like your previous guesses that mortgage interest rates will return to 2 to 3% by the end of this year, CPI will be 3% on "May Day",  and the OCR won't go over 1.75-2% this cycle. 

You are proving to be the TA of interest.co.  

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Of course you would never ever dare to point out the many things I got right 😎

How are your beloved ANZ’s forecasts over the past few years?

Hey I have resolved to just laugh at your trolling, seeing as this website doesn’t take trolling seriously.  

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House Rodent shoukd change their pseudonym to “I think” 
Or “ constant poster of my uninformed views” maybe more apt. 

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by Independent_Observer | 17th May 21, 7:14pm

What about an OCR of 5 or more? If inflation is back, that could be where we’re heading.

 

by HouseMouse | 17th May 21, 7:57pm

My pick is inflation is back for a short burst, before a financial crisis punches it in the guts

 

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Well done IO. Most, including myself, were predicting that inflation would be far more transitional than it has been. The war has been an unexpected influence, but I think inflation would  still have been quite persistent without it.

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If you study inflation in the 1940-1950's (where governments had similar debt/GDP ratios to present time) it is quite possible that we could have periods that switch between high inflation/disinflation/deflation. 

Don't credit me with the above as it was a 'could' argument (and by no means a certainty - deflation was also a near term possibility) - but an acknowledgement/argument that a 5% OCR was a near term outcome that shouldn't have been dismissed at the time. 

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There is no soft landing when the plane is flying so high, based on leverage and QE.

As any investor who can use a spreadsheet will tell you, they cannot make the sums work at these prices....... so what happens

The price moves towards the bid, and its a lot lot lower....

 

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Please tell me how you make popcorn with your tinfoil hat ?  Do you put the corn in the tinfoil, and then pop them in the microwave?

What's this all about Dr Y? Most people take wild guesses about what is beyond their control. That will include you though. Self awareness is important. 

A major reversal in the price of money could kickstart the bubble. Nothing more that the ruling elite and the sheeple want more. But you could all be in the denial stage.  

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Tinfoil goes on top of the pan to stop it flying everywhere.

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/user/4010681/recipe/perfect-popcorn

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I don’t think they will be slashed, at least not for a while. See above.

Unemployment is bad but high inflation is just as bad. 
Wicked problems with big trade offs which ever decision you make. Which usually means conservative and steady decision making.

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Interest rates are arguably the most significant factor for homeowners with a mortgage . . . and as well as house prices, potential FHB. The choice of either fixing for anything from one to five years or floating is significant.

For a holder of a $400,000 mortgage, a variance in the mortgage rate of 2% to 3% is $8,000 (2%) to $12,000 (3%) – and that is after tax income. Considering marginal tax rates, that is $10,400 to $15,600 of salary, and one may be advantaged or losing on that for a period.

If I had a mortgage, in making a decision I would be carefully taking note of the RBNZ MPC statements and forecasts, the teams of bank economists, and articles on this site. I would also listen to those such as financial advisers and mortgage brokers.  

I would not pay too much attention to comments made on this site – and certainly not by those that simply put-up guesses and do not support it with reasons.   

Given the current volatility both in interest rates and the wider economy I would also be very prudent and down pay the mortgage as much as possible. That means holding off on the proposed new deck or new car.  

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‘The teams of bank economists’ because their forecasts have been so good , lol 😂 😂😂

That’s really funny.

You definitely have sone sort of vested interest in a bank, even if I don’t know what it is (maybe you have a son or daughter that is a senior or chief economist at one of the banks)

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You should definitely pay attention P8. With the likes of Audaxes, Chebs, Jfoe (to name a few), some pearls of wisdom that might lubricate the rigidities of the mind. I've learnt much from these types. 

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Yvil, what indicators or metrics beyond rate of change of interest rates are you looking at, that point to the much much worse economy that you speak of?

Uncharacteristic pessimism has me curious

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In very succinct terms; massive amounts of debt cannot sustain much higher interest rates.  

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Indeed. Debt unsupported by incomes used to fuel speculation gets punished. Yes there will be carnage - like there was in 1987.

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by Independent_Observer | 17th May 21, 7:07pm

Well if inflation shows up we’ll see. Central banks could well have their hands forced to raise rates and higher than expected. To think keeping a few FHBs solvent in their recent oversized mortgage is more important than avoiding hyperinflation or unacceptably high inflation, mortgage belt might need to rethink his/her position. Cannon fodder comes to mind.

 

by Yvil | 17th May 21, 7:31pm

If inflation really comes back seriously Central Banks will be between a rock and a hard place and frankly things won't be pretty. The OCR can rise a little, no problem but I don't think it can go to 5% as you suggest in a post above because if it did, with retail interest rates at 7% there would be so many insolvent borrowers that it would not be small collateral damage. Before losing one's house people would tighten their belts to the extreme which means countless businesses would go bust, this in turn means many people would lose their jobs which of course makes it harder to pay rent or a mortgage. If/when serious inflation arrives, we're all f****ed,
Choice 1) keep interest rates lowish and get runaway inflation = we're f…ed
Option 2) raise interest rates aggressively and face a serious depression that will make Covid look like a walk in the park, we're f…

 

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What seemed impossible is here.......   hence my comment about China/America coming to blows....    I am not sure the USA can afford to fight war on two fronts at the same time.

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So it’s something in between, right?

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Thanks for digging out this thread from almost two years ago.  I clearly have to concede that rates are now at 5% unlike what I predicted, but I'm also still standing by my post including the two options.  It's just that the real hurt has not yet arrived, but it's on its way.  Why not repost my May 2021 post in May 2024

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I agree. It’s the general direction of predictions that’s critical not precision. You were wrong, like me, on how high interest rates will go but I think we will both be right on our basis for that position - that there will be economic carnage. The prospect of that hasn’t stopped the RBNZ, but let’s see where this path has led us in 6 months.

My main error has been on the lag effects of raising the OCR, probably 6-12 months more than I thought.

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The magic word is "yet". 

The iceberg hasn't hit yet does not mean that there is no iceberg. 

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Don’t forget about the war children,it’s coming to get you.

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De Globalisation.....

Climate change tax.....

Demographics....

Immigration stickyness

 

All of these things to me mean you are eliminating the cheapest option, thus inflation must happen.....   China and America will come to blows, you can see that playing out in the Taiwan straights now.

As part of five eyes we will not be able to trade against a partner we might be fighting.       That is the end of our export market for Dairy and Timber and much food.       Our banks would need to be nationalised, such would be the impact.

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Would the average American in Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Houston etc. be prepared to be incinerated to preserve Taiwanese independence? China possesses hypersonic nuclear capable missiles. Two nuclear states can not be in direct conflict with each other. The USA will be given the time to build out it's domestic advanced chip making facilities and then China will take over Taiwan.

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The US failed to prevent the Russian invasion of Ukraine despite giving assurances in exchange for denuclearising in the Budapest Memorandum. If the US were to also fail to prevent Chinese invasion of Taiwan despite also giving similar assurances, then the future is going to look drastically different from the second half of the last century. It may be preferable to nuclear exchange, but it sure isn't going to bode well for inflation and interest rates.

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Yes, even without sending troops, wars are now fought with sanctions.  If China is hit with trade sanctions, this country would be destroyed.  Much like how Europe is collapsing under their energy costs as a result of sanctions on Russia.  Meanwhile China would just buy everything they need from Latin America and Africa.

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A return to the pre-pandemic economic environment wouldn't be where I'd put my money.

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Permabulls for zero interest rates need to be sent to the meatworks.

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Everybody is so upset about the potential consequences of interest rates dropping, vis-a-vis the slide in the housing market abating, that they seem ready to welcome the oncoming train crash.

Widespread economic devastation is apparently the lesser evil when you've waited until now to feel smug about it all.

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For nearly 50 years, 'Don't fight the Fed' has been sound advice. Even after Nixon broke the dollar's link to gold in 1971, the US remained in control of the global monetary system, particularly after its secret deal with Saudi Arabia established the petrodollar in 1974. The Fed set interest rates and everybody else fell in line.

That is all changing before our eyes. The GDP of BRICS nations has surpassed that of the G7 (not to mention the scores of countries lining up to join the former, including Saudi Arabia). The role of the dollar in international trade and as a percentage of central banks' reserves, has been steadily declining for years, now at an accelerating rate. There is a real possibility that a new BRICS currency will be announced, if not unveiled, at the BRICS conference in August. While China will not be replacing the US, nor the yuan the dollar, we are unmistakably moving from a unipolar world with a US hegemon, to a multi-polar world in which the US is merely one of several powerful states.

Basically, the considerable advantages the US has long enjoyed due to the dollar being the world's reserve currency, are in the process of disappearing. Since it hollowed out its manufacturing base long ago, and it (along with Europe) is utterly dependent on Russia and other countries for crucial resources such as lithium, it has few cards to play other than its military. Nominally, it has over $30 trillion in debt, though many projections put that figure six or seven times higher.

Bear in mind that the IMF is dominated by the US: it is an illusion to think that its monetary policies or projections are somehow independent. Like many historical powers in decline, reality has yet to set in for US leaders, including those in the financial sector. The reality is that if present trends continue, there is only one direction for US interest rates to go if the dollar is not going to go into terminal decline. Very high inflation rates -where the first digit is not '1'- are a real possibility in the near-to-medium term. If anything like that is correct, we will not see covid-era interest rates in the United States for a long time. 

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They shouldnt return to pre-pandemic levels, those levels were so low they had no cushion for rate cuts in an emergency without going to ZIRP or even NIRP.  Rates should be kept at long term average levels so that central banks have room to move without setting off another 2020/21 insane asset bubble.

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