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Winston Peters is racist, but he is also highlighting an actual real social and political issue we all need to grapple with: Immigration and the problems it creates

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Winston Peters is racist, but he is also highlighting an actual real social and political issue we all need to grapple with: Immigration and the problems it creates
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By Natalia Albert*

I will start with the obvious and most important point: Winston Peters is racist and xenophobic. I am treating that as a fact.

Also, a personal disclosure that is relevant to this analysis. 

I have been an immigrant for a very long time. Since I was four, when my mum was posted to the Consulate General in Vancouver and I left Mexico City, my hometown. We left Vancouver when I was eight, back to Mexico. Then Chicago at 13.

Back to Mexico at 15. Back to Vancouver at 18. So when I say I am a Mexican-born New Zealand citizen, understand that I am not coming at this as a novice. I am coming at it as a Black Belt migrant, one who has done her time across several countries over the past 40 years. That is my lived experience. I have also been studying this topic closely, formally and academically, in New Zealand for 14 years, and working on government-related matters for more than eight. Which will explain my passion but also my bias. 

The first time I heard Winston Peters say something racist was, to my fellow Mexican, Ricardo Menéndez March1. In early 2025, Ricardo had the audacity to say the word “Aotearoa” in the House. Winston reminded the chamber that Ricardo “came here in 2006,” and that this, apparently, settled it. The name of the country is New Zealand, he said, and this person who arrived in 2006 was not going to change it. “You just arrived so your opinion counts for less than mine.”

It is the same play he ran on Xu-Nan. The move every migrant learns to recognise: the procedural reminder that you are a guest here, and guests do not get to rearrange the furniture. Citizenship be dammed. 

When Winston Peters told Lawrence Xu-Nan to “go back to your own country,” he knew exactly what he was doing. He always does. The Race Relations Commissioner said it, Simeon Brown said it, and eventually even Christopher Luxon had to say it. So I’ll skip the part of the column where I perform my outrage for you. 

None of this should be a surprise. Back in January, I wrote that immigration was about to become the most contested terrain of this election and that the left had already lost the social licence to defend it. I called the piece Performing Sovereignty. I stand by every word, and I take no pleasure in it.

What I argued then was simple. New Zealand needs migrants more than it ever has. The boomers are retiring, the birthrate is falling, and by 2048 roughly a third of us will be Asian New Zealanders. And yet we have never trusted immigration less. That gap, between the country we are demographically becoming and the country a chunk of voters feel they miss, is a gap Winston found sitting unattended and is now moving into.

Winston's message is resonating because important questions about immigration, how much, how fast, who pays for the housing and the GPs, got reclassified as things only a racist would ask. And when you tell a large chunk of the public that their concern is a moral failing, you create a massive gap in the public debate. And it got gift-wrapped, to the one man cheerfully willing to pick it up and add the bigotry back in himself.

Immigration is a product of globalization and capitalism.

The toxic marriage neoliberalism handed us in the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher threw the borders open to capital and gave the market more power than it knew what to do with. I know this one in my bones, because the reason I moved so much between Mexico, the United States, and Canada as a kid was NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement), the most consequential trade agreement of a lifetime, the one that reshaped the social, political, and economic landscape of not just my hometown but a whole continent.

I am a NAFTA baby, thoroughly indoctrinated into the gospel of globalization and open markets. I learned how to say NAFTA before I could walk. And here is what the gospel left out: we did too much, too fast, and we skipped some fairly important questions about tax, about infrastructure, and about social cohesion. Such as, for instance, what happens when a country ends up speaking more languages than its government can handle. 

It is fundamentally hard to coexist with this level of diversity, and harder still to govern it. 

We should have known that, and at some level we did. We just romanticized the whole project from the start. The diversity management literature was minted in the United States in the early 1990s, in the cusp of the continent being reorganized around free trade. And the definition of social cohesion we use here today also came from the cusp of NAFTA being signed in Canada. As a preventive measure for all the immigration that was about to reshape three mayor countries.

Our foundational framework, written by Paul Spoonley and colleagues in 2005, was built directly on the Canadian model, right down to consulting Canadian immigration officials on how they had done it. So, the intellectual apparatus we use to manage diversity was manufactured in North America, by two of the economies busiest dissolving their own borders, at the very moment they were doing it. We imported the vocabulary. We did not import the funding, the infrastructure, or the patience. We romanticized the consequences and told ourselves that more is more and faster is better.

So why have we lost social licence for immigration?

Social licence is permission to operate. It is not a formal policy. It is the informal consent that sits underneath government permission to operate. Every agency needs it, for different things: Statistics NZ to hold our data, the Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment to permit mining on the West Coast, Inland Revenue to collect our taxes. It is the quiet, renewable consent a public give to a thing it has agreed is worth the trouble. And like any permission, it can be withdrawn. Ours was, and we did it to ourselves, in three moves.

First, we built the licence on sand. Globalization sold us diversity as a self-evident good and never made us pay for the plumbing. Forty years of opening the flows and romanticising the results, while ducking the boring, expensive questions: housing, infrastructure, credential recognition, and what holds a society together when it speaks more than 150 languages. Read that again. More than 150, according to the last Census. That alone is enough to strain our social cohesion, without Winston Peters needing to be racist about it. 

New Zealand then adds a layer of complexity most countries never have to reckon with: Te Tiriti o Waitangi, which makes immigration an even hotter button. I have written about this at length, but in a nutshell, the Treaty is a formal agreement between Māori and the Crown. Not Māori, the Crown, and migrants2. Migrants arrive into a relationship they can’t influence and that creates tensions between groups that cannot be resolved. It is a polarity, not a problem: something you manage rather than solve, and New Zealand manages it poorly. 

Second, cities changed faster than the people living in them had agreed to. Rents climbed, the GP waitlist grew, and a surgeon from Delhi ended up driving the Uber while we complained about the doctor shortage. It is what happens when you import the people and forget to build the country around them. We keep banging on about talent shortfall, when we have it here, we just refuse to hire them and promote them in the roles we don’t trust them in, even though we need them in those roles desperately. 

Third, we told the people noticing the problem that they were bigots and racist for wanting to know more about it.

We have lost our social licence for immigration by forbidding people to name the problems without first pleading guilty to racism. Woke liberalism made this worst. 

That is the unattended gap Winston walks into every single time. He has never offered real sustainable solutions to these issues. He is offering permission to say you are unhappy about the level of diversity in New Zealand. Then, being Winston, he laces that permission with poison, so a legitimate worry about planning and a genuinely racist sneer at a Chinese-born MP arrive in the same breath, impossible to prise apart. That is the con. He bundles the reasonable and the vile together and dares the left to reject both at once, which it obligingly does, proving his point for him.

And you may ask: if the anxieties are real, then isn't Winston just the man brave enough to name them? Aren't you conceding he has a point? No. The distinction might seem subtle, if you agree with Winston, but it is not. Explaining why something happens is not the same as endorsing it. The concern about social cohesion, enough housing and infrastructure is legitimate. Winston's answer to it is racist. The question is fair, his answer is not, and holding both of those in your head at once is needed for a more mature debate about a very real issue. What we need is a population strategy, but that is a topic for another week. 


1) I appreciate this might not be his first time.

2) I do not say this lightly. I have studied this relationship for more than 10 years, specialised in it across my undergraduate degree and my master's, read most of the books, and taken every workshop this country offers on it. In 2022, developing the social cohesion policy as a public servant, I spoke with many New Zealanders, Māori as Tangata Whenua and Mana Whenua, about exactly these tensions. I have also had my own reckoning with it as a migrant. There are several names for what I am supposed to be in this arrangement: tangata tiriti, tauiwi, and a migrant of color. I hate all of them. What matters is not the label but that I understand the tension and the many ways New Zealanders argue about it. This is just how I see it.

*Natalia Albert is a political scientist specialising in New Zealand politics. She is a regular contributor on RNZ Nights with Emile Donovan, Afternoons with Jesse Mulligan and writes for interest.co.nz. Less Certain is her weekly newsletter. Albert stood as a TOP candidate in the 2023 election.

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'New Zealand needs migrants more than it ever has. '

Bollocks (see information given but not read). 

'What we need is a population strategy,'

Yes we do, but it is the dominant topic.

And by the time you are finished with it, your first statement needs withdrawn. Systems thinking is a useful skill. 

 

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The column could have been written,  the argument expressed,  easily enough without the emphasis on Winston Peters. In fact, in my view, that fixation overshadows the content thereby detracting from it. The point is, if the issue is of the paramount importance as the author contends, the influence of one politician, of longstanding maverick consistency, is hardly the vital consideration.

ps: not long ago this site for good reason limited the commenters to reduce time being wasted on posts that were potentially libellous. Now I am no Julius Miles KC but the captioning here,  and an accusation as a statement of fact, to me at least, suggests quite a bit more than provocative.

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It's just running cover for Chippy, Verral Ardern, Bloomfield and the covid policy disgrace. Why was Xu-Nan asking if Winston was vaccinated at such a juncture?

"Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: All right. Well, four leading Labour Party Ministers—past Ministers—refused to turn up to an inquiry. How damn arrogant! And there she is, walks out of the room, the former Minister of Health—wouldn’t even turn up to the inquiry because you know why? If anybody asks the right question, she’s going to be a goner. The original sham inquiry even failed to identify that Chris Hipkins and Verrall knew about advice that highlighted danger to under-17-year-olds having two shots and suffering from myocarditis. They knew about it, and then they claimed they didn’t know.

Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan: Are you vaccinated?

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS: I’m not making it up, sunshine. I noticed you came here five minutes ago. Go back to your own country—that’s where they lie like a flatfish, but they don’t lie like that here, all right? This is called a democracy—this is called a democracy, unlike what you’re used to. Go back to where you’ve come from, you loudmouth, and maybe you’ll learn something about the political system of New Zealand in time before you go streaming out of here in three months’ time. The fact is, it’s not informed consent if people don’t know. That’s the second thing; the mainstream media have been silent on this issue. They have been a damn disgrace to let responsible Ministers get by. "

https://hansard.parliament.nz/hansard-transcript/2026-07-29/debates-gen…

 

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Why was Xu-Nan asking if Winston was vaccinated at such a juncture?

It's right there in the transcript: because Peters brought up vaccines. The question was on topic. Peters' rhetoric - a bit manipulative

He failed to specify what was that degree of risk? One in 10,000 or one in 1,000,000? That matters for public policy

it’s not informed consent if people don’t know

I love that he brings up information. Should apply to the vice versa: were people properly informed by him of the inner workings and benefits of vaccines?

Or is he just trying to stir up the Destiny Church gang and get some votes on the cheap, society fracture as negligible side effect?

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No, people were not properly informed and the gang of four deleted meeting minutes to cover their tracks.

"The Royal Commission is considering it a failure that the advice did not reach ministers or the public, noting 12 to 17-year-olds were not informed of the risks when making the decision to get vaccinated.

… A Ministry of Health spokesperson acknowledged the commission's finding that it was a significant failing.

“We recognise the importance of timely, evidence-based communication for maintaining public trust and confidence. In this instance, the standard was not met.”

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360963405/advice-covid-19-vaccines-c…

"… Why do the minutes from CV TAG’s 17 August 2021 meeting record that it was requested that references to increasing dosing intervals potentially providing some protection against myocarditis be removed from public communications? Who made the request and for what purpose?"

...“Medsafe’s technical benefit-risk assessment of the Pfizer vaccine was that it was “not clear”. Medsafe wrote to Pfizer and advised it that it was unable to recommend approval of the vaccine. MAAC instructed Medsafe to grant provisional approval. Why did the government not disclose Medsafe’s benefit-risk assessment to the public?"

https://x.com/CranmerWrites/status/1643816372173172736

 

 

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Kia ora Foxglove, thanks for reading and commenting. You're right that it could have been written without Winston, that's what I did back in January, in the article linked above. But in this case I felt it provided important context for what happens when you don't give space for a needed conversation about how to deal with a population whose makeup includes 150 languages. Institutionally and nationally, this causes real tensions and problems. And that is not being racist or xenophobic, it's asking a genuine question about population management, the tipping point for social cohesion, and what happens when you tip past it.

Nat

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Seems I was mistaken because I can no longer find it in one of your other  columns on this topic but I recall a final sentence stating along the lines that Winston Peters has to go which if so leads directly onto your opening salvo here. Despite all his long experience and survival  in and out of parliament Winston Peters might well accept that he is more important than he should be. One of his great successes has been in cultivating all sectors of the media into generating publicity for himself. In turn that tends to gravitate the listener, watcher or reader towards considering the identity more than the anctual  issue on hand. It is by no means either a safe or easy strategy to employ but his longevity attests to his mastery of it. That is why thought to suggest that the thrust of your columns, in this case, risk being  overshadowed by the very same influence, albeit latent. Or to simply sum up - the age old misdirection of playing the man rather than the ball. 

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The idea that "strategy" solves anything is simple minded. The strategy could be Bridge's "Lets go for 10 million".

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Fair challenge, but I don't think the two are contradictory. It's fine to disagree on whether we need immigration, but I'd actually revise my wording here: immigration is coming whether we want it or not. Needing/getting migrants and needing a strategy for how many, how fast, and in what sectors are two different claims. One is about demographic reality, the other about governance capacity. The piece is arguing we've been doing the first without the second, not that we shouldn't do either.

(Also, I got your email but haven't had a chance to read it properly yet, will follow up once I have.)

Nat 

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"immigration is coming whether we want it or not."

Interesting observation. How would you interpret its use? Democracy as an illusion and we will be forced to accept mass migration by our growthist overlords? Or, depravation caused by human degradation of the natural environment will cause a mass migration towards an area of lower population density, which cannot be resisted? 

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"It is what happens when you import the people and forget to build the country around them". Immigrants are being imported over the top of locals by a rate of two immigrants per local birth for last 25+ years. How was that build rate ever going to keep up? 

In comparison - "1907, the peak immigration year of the Ellis Island era in America, births were 2x the number immigrants"

New Zealand needs migrants more than it ever has. On what basis? Or is it just an politically lazy way to boost gross GDP and "progressive" politicians UN credentials?

"But, in fact, across these 40 or so advanced countries, any relationship is downward sloping.  Across these countries in this period, faster population growth has been associated with slower real per capita GDP growth."

https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/04/09/more-on-population-and-per-cap…

"I had a hunch that the growth rate in per capita GDP has been in a long-term decline and the data confirm this. In the 1990s, the inflation-adjusted annual per capita growth rate was 1.93% per annum. Then in the decade from 2000 through to December 2009 it averaged 1.75% per annum. Then in the decade through to December 2019 it averaged 1.64% per annum.

Then comes the real kicker. Since December 2019 the per capita growth rate in GDP has only been 0.75% per annum. In the last two years the inflation-adjusted per capita GDP has actually declined by just over 2%.

It might provide little comfort to those Kiwis who are struggling, but the data do support the notion that the average Kiwi is very much struggling to get ahead. If you are struggling, then you are a typical Kiwi."

https://www.interest.co.nz/economy/133515/keith-woodford-traces-structu…

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I've previously disagreed with the author on many of her articles / opinions however would broadly support her analysis and commentary in this.

 While I'm a 5th generation NZdr both my wives have been immigrants (ethnicity 1 European, 1 Chinese). They & their wider friends & family experiences align.

Let's also remember that everyone here is ultimately an immigrant: whether a year ago or 700 years ago, we're all "boat people".

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And I think my views are very different to your own on many issues, but I also largely agree with the article. Immigration is a genuinely hard problem and imo shouldn't be a left vs right thing as both sides should care about the economic benefits and social challenges it brings. 

 

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Very good piece

We need more commentary which explains the dichotomy between raising a problem and wrapping it up in outrage for populist reasons

We need more commentary which explains why two things can be true at the same time, like Winston raising a real issue and Winston being a racist ~a$$4013~ little angel (edited to make this publishable) who creates problems but doesn't come up with solutions

We need to drive this point home: some 30% of NZ's citizens were born overseas and obtained a citizenship which puts them on neither side of the signatories of Te Tiriti The Treaty but still have to contend with it somehow. Tbh those who were born here were not part of signing that flawed piece of paper either

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Kia ora danicriss, thank you, I appreciate this. That dichotomy you mention, holding two true things at once, is a big part of what I try to do in my newsletter, Less Certain. I've been writing it for almost three years now, over 130 articles at this point, and it's built on making a concerted effort around exactly this kind of nuance: naming a real problem without letting it get hijacked by whoever's loudest or most cynical about it.

On your Treaty point, I agree; it's hard. It's all hard. It's hard for those who want to uphold it, and it's hard for those of us who didn't sign it but seem to need to acknowledge that we're here because of it, whether we agree with it or not. It's a very hostile debate, and it's very hard and exhausting to have. Like I said in my footnote, I've done my best over the years to read, study, and understand as much as I can, and it just seems to get harder and harder for me. Nat 

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I think the idea of citizenship is important, the defining factor.  You are either a citizen or not.

So I contest your view on the Treaty.  It did not set up two groups in some  constitution in perpetuity, rather it put us all in the same pot where in our individual ways we have the same rights and responsibilities.  And immigrants who become citizens are in the same pot as well, no different, and that's actually wonderful.

Yes, that leaves out those here who are not citizens.  

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Again the wise head of Sandra Day O’Connor - “As a citizen, you need to know how to be a part of it, how to express yourself, and not just by voting. “ That in itself would largely identify the difference between a resident and citizen. 

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Xu-Nan is the most annoying prat on the floor of the chamber.  And that's a high bar.

Winston Peters was fully justified in telling him to, uuumh, "go away you idiot".  Or two words to the effect of "go forth and multiply"

But somehow what he did say was regarded as scandal.  Pearls were clutched.

 

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KH,

So you are ok with our Foreign minister referring to our largest trade partner as a country where 'they lie like flatfish'? Peters is and always has been deeply racist. I despise him.

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Don't invent my view for me Linklater.

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Thanks Natalia.

If NZ needs immigrants so much, then why is our unemployment rate relatively high?

Is the social security blanket too generous? Is the education system serving the teacher's own interests more than the interests and educational outcomes for our children and young adults? Is our health system serving the self interests of the doctors and specialists more than the patients?

Perhaps 2 of the good outcomes, in my opinion, of the 1930s depression were (1) the establishment of a minimum social welfare system to alleviate extreme hardship (which underpinned and supported charitable care for the community, within the community - the notion that it takes a village to raise a child). Whereas now the lion's share of that function resides in the anonymous,  heartless, hands of the state, funded via an amorphous chunk out of each taxpayers assessment (and GST payer's purchase) . (2) That work, any work, dignified the person and what followed was a generation or 2 with strong work ethic, with nigh on full employment participation in the 1970s.

Comfort and hardship, like pleasure and pain are each on the same continuum. Valuable lessons can be learnt from hardship with comfort made more sweet for the experience. Just as valuable lessons can be learnt from falling out of a tree as a child.

 

 

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Kia ora LouB, thanks for reading. On the unemployment point: aggregate unemployment doesn't tell the whole story, most of what gets called a "need" for migrants is sector-specific (health, trades, aged care) rather than a general labour shortage, so a relatively high headline unemployment rate and specific skills shortages can genuinely coexist. That's more a targeting/skills-matching problem than proof we don't need migration at all.

The welfare/education/health questions you raise are real and important debates, but they're bigger than what I can properly do justice to in a comment reply, each of those deserves its own piece rather than a quick take here. What I'd say is they're not unrelated to the immigration debate; they're part of the same broader question of whether our systems and institutions have kept pace with the population they're meant to serve, which is really the core argument I'm making in this piece. Nat 

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"a "need" for migrants is sector-specific (health, trades, aged care)  ...specific skills shortage"
You forgot the vape technician sector and our 78 immigration accredited vape shops or the accredited liquor stores. The lucrative immigration industrial complex are taking the piss out of naive kiwis.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/work/requirements-for-work-visas/approv…

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While the writer raised some salient points, the reason Mr. Peters has become enraged is because some of these migrants have found their way into parliament and have the audacity to complain about this country but have only lived here for a short period. They haven't earned the right to complain because they were not born in NZ. 

Many countries do not allow foreign born people to run for government, including Mexico. So Mr. Ricardo Menéndez shouldn't have the right to stand in parliament and criticise this country which neither he nor his ancestors have had a hand in building. Yet has Mr. Menéndez made any effort to stop his friends from Mexico from are trying to destroy our country by flooding us with their filthy drugs...?

 

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At what point does one gain the right to complain?....is it a monetary measure perhaps?

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Anybody can complain. A tourist can complain. There are complainants that are a lot better and consistent about complaining than others. But this all started up over the right to vote, being put in the hands of citizens only.

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Oof, racist much my friend? 

If anything, migrants are underrepresented in Parliament: they make up some 30% of the population and there aren't 35 immigrant MPs

As to who's allowed to make the rules, generally speaking if someone pays tax and plan to be here for a while, they have a say. Luckily for the sake of our society, unfortunately for your xenophobic feelings

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Voting :  Citizens only please.

Citizenship is the defining factor.

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Hi KH, just a quick line to say I strongly disagree on who gets to vote; I think permanent residents should be able to vote as well as 16-year-olds, and that's also not what I'm covering in this article. In this piece I'm just trying to shine a light on the fact that when we talk about a diverse population, which immigration drives, more isn't always better. And that it's filled with polarities that are unresolvable and need to be managed forever.

Nat

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It is not rare for a defence lawyer in New Zealand to argue  that a client aged sixteen was too immature, callow, unworldly or what you will, to fully understand their actions on committing a crime and it is not rare for a judge to accept that argument and find accordingly. Would suggest many psychologists and associated colleagues would agree as many provide exactly  that evidence in court. Vote at eighteen yes but before that no in my opinion. 

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Nat.  Don't think of Citizenship as exclusive.  I think of it as Inclusive.  (yeah.  There is a lot of semantics in that)  but still it holds.

And once you are in, well you are a full member of our society with equal and full rights.  Does not matter where you started out.   Full and equal, which combats the idea of different sorts of citizen such as Maori, indigenous, born elsewhere, colour etc.  Once a Citizen you are proudly regarded as equal with the same responsibilities.  Inclusive with no differentiation.  

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Antares77, wow, so much I reject in your comment. So no. Citizenship is what gives someone the right to stand for Parliament in NZ, not birthplace, and not how long they've lived here. That's the correct framing even if you disagree with the Human Rights Act. That's the law, it's deliberate, and it's not up for your personal "earned it" test.

And the line about Ricardo's "friends from Mexico" flooding the country with drugs is an awful comment to make. Even if you ignore that I am Mexican too. Tying one Mexican-born MP to drug trafficking because of where he's from is racism. You can disagree with his politics all day; god knows I don't agree with Ricardo's policies, but I will advocate all day to protect his right to say what he wants as an MP in the New Zealand Parliament.

Nat

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5.6% unemployment... why do we need immigrants again?

 

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Why? All sorts of ideological nonsense. A bigger market = more consumption= more money flowing upwards. Relgious? It's the duty of the faithful to fill the planet with humans. Then there's the leftist globalist theme of freedom of movement, which is fine until the movement becomes a tsunami of economic refugees. 

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I wonder if 'immigration' has lost its social licence...or indeed if it ever had one?

Social licence is defined as general public acceptance and immigration has never had a homogenous response so the question perhaps should be whether it is less widely accepted currently than it was say a decade or two ago....there are those who will never accept it no matter the scale, control or form and there are those who seek it no matter its impacts.

and thats without consideration of racism or xenophobia.

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Kia ora Let me be Frank. That's a fair semantic sharpening, and I think we're actually saying similar things. You're right that it was never uniform; there have always been people at both ends who'd never accept it and people who'd accept any scale of it. What I mean by "lost" is the shift you're describing, that the middle of the distribution, the people who broadly accepted it as long as things like housing and infrastructure kept pace, have moved. That's the group I'm actually writing about, not the two fixed ends.

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What I mean by "lost" is the shift you're describing, that the middle of the distribution, the people who broadly accepted it as long as things like housing and infrastructure kept pace, have moved.

China and Japan are two examples of countries with what I like to call 'infrastructure surpluses.' The reasons for simple: infrastructure improves the socio-economic wellbeing of society. And remember that their infrastructure has been largely funded internally.  

Aotearoa and Aussie don't have the long-term strategic mindset that China and Japan have. If immigration is necessary, than this should have been considered 50+ years ago. 

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It may appear semantic but it poses the question that if social licence is not necessarily universal at what point is it lost?...is it as Chenoweth posits as low as 3.5% or something greater?

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Perhaps in the realm of social cohesion we need to reassess what the NZ national identity really is today. Historically we had less cultural diversity and it could potentially be argued that immigrants would assimilate more than today, and with greater diversity and numbers in different cultures this assimilation has dropped for having option to stick to social groups etc from one's own culture while abroad. A thought only, not an assertion.

Perhaps rugby is no longer as dominant in society as it used to be, and as everyone consumes different media vs back when the television and newspaper were the dominant sources, resulting in people having more to relate to each other with.

Either way, I see nationalism down, identity uncertain, and less relatability between people of any creed, culture or country of birth, amplified by social media and greater levels of isolation, especially in the youth.

So are we still big rugby fans, pie eaters, bbq & camping holiday lovers, or do we no longer relate to this in our own country with the changing times, bigger cities, and other lifestyle options available?

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