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Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Big data; expiry date for humans; half time between two lost decades; back to the future; waste; Dilbert

Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Big data; expiry date for humans; half time between two lost decades; back to the future; waste; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10:00 am today in association with NZ Mint.

Bernard will be back with his version tomorrow.

We welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

1. Does Google make us stupid?
We love data. It's what our service is based on. But it's not only us who collect and analyses data, of course.

There has been a stunning explosion in the collection of data. Forget megabytes or even gigabytes. Now folks are talking about petabytes, exabytes, zettabyte, and now even yottabytes.

Here's a fact to wobble your brain - "Last year alone, the world’s information base is estimated to have doubled every eleven hours." Now that is stunning.

Should we be worried about big data? Don’t be. We fretted about the printing press, the encyclopedia, the dictionary. It’s how we use technology that matters, as Chad Wellmon points out:

The more pressing, if more complex, task of our digital age, then, lies not in figuring out what comes after the yottabyte, but in cultivating contact with an increasingly technologically formed world. In order to understand how our lives are already deeply formed by technology, we need to consider information not only in the abstract terms of terrabytes and zettabytes, but also in more cultural terms. How do the technologies that humans form to engage the world come in turn to form us? What do these technologies that are of our own making and irreducible elements of our own being do to us? The analytical task lies in identifying and embracing forms of human agency particular to our digital age, without reducing technology to a mere mechanical extension of the human, to a mere tool. In short, asking whether Google makes us stupid, as some cultural critics recently have, is the wrong question. It assumes sharp distinctions between humans and technology that are no longer, if they ever were, tenable.

2. Do humans have carry an expiry date?
Matt Ridley sees indications the steady rise in lifespans may already have hit some kind of limit. Getting more than a handful of people past 120 may never be possible, and 150 is likely unattainable. He explains why in this WSJ opinion piece.

Thanks to healthier lifestyles, more and more people are surviving into old age. But that is not incompatible with there being a sort of expiration date on human lifespan. Most scientists think the decay of the body by aging is not itself programmed by genes, but the repair mechanisms that delay decay are. In human beings, genes that help keep you alive as a parent or even grandparent have had a selective advantage through helping children thrive, but ones that keep you alive as a great-grandparent - who likely doesn't play much of a role in the well-being and survival of great-grandchildren - have probably never contributed to reproductive success.

In other words, there is perhaps no limit to the number of people who can reach 90 or 100, but getting more than a handful of people past 120 may never be possible, and 150 is probably unattainable, absent genetic engineering.

3. Desperation
No one really knows how to solve the euro zone crisis. Monetary solutions aren't working, fiscal solutions aren't either (although I don't think either have been tried properly). So now we are starting to hear of some hare-brained ones. Here is Eric Reguly reporting on a "golden opportunity to save (or doom) the euro".

Germany’s idea is coyly named the European Redemption Pact and it is nothing if not creative. While details are scant, here is roughly how this gilded baby would work. Countries with debts greater than 60 per cent of gross domestic product – the (ignored) limit under the European Union’s Maastricht Treaty – would transfer those debts into a redemption fund, which would be covered by joint bonds. The scheme has been called “euro bonds lite.”

Here’s the catch. Countries using the scheme (most would, including Germany, because of generally high debt-to-GDP ratios) would have to cover 20 per cent of their debt with collateral, payable in gold or currency reserves. Default on the payments and you lose your gold. The “sinking” fund would retire the debt over 20 years.

 

As you can see from that table, that's a lot of gold but no-where near enough to settle the outstanding liabilities of all the euro nations (US$1.650 tln or  €2.064 tln). But there is a bigger problem - you may wish to sell that pile, but who would buy it, and why would they buy a metal that is seesawing in price. Besides, what do you think would happen to the price if 10,000 tonnes was dumped on the market? Or even 1,000 tonnes? At the first suggestion a big quantity was about to arrive on market we may see a sharp decline in the price. Are the gold bugs ready for that?

Or, of course, they could just 'agree' a non-market price and shuffle the can around and around. Gold would then just become a central bank plaything.

4. Half time between two lost decades
The recovery feels extraordinarily slow because we face an extraordinary three-part crisis: a financial shock compounded by a global slowdown and a demographic time bomb. Time to think big says Jack Goldstone. He sets out in detail what is going wrong and why we will be a long time in this depressed economic state.

So we cannot expect any sudden return to normalcy. The best we can hope for is to muddle-through for perhaps a decade, as the various structural crises are resolved in the midst of a long period of deleveraging. There is also a risk that we may see more shocks as severe as in 2008 with sovereign debt crises and political clashes. In the worst case, if policy blunders or sudden drops in confidence in banks or sovereign debt occur in the midst of political deadlock, we could get a true global depression.

Yet I do expect capitalism to survive and adapt, as it has done before. I expect a new round of progressive legislation to improve the position of workers, coming after 2014; I expect a new round of education (perhaps internet driven) and emphasis on personal and craft skills to reshape labor markets in advanced economies; I expect an adaptation to population aging that involves greater integration of global labor markets and rich/poor country labor exchanges; and I expect China will shift to greater democracy, better conditions for its workers, and a healthy internal market. Europe is harder to predict, as we are too close to the peak of the crisis; but one way or another Europe will go on. We should also get some technical breakthroughs in medical care, clean energy, lighting, pharmaceuticals, and other areas now under intensive research. And currently small but fast-growing economies in Africa and southeast Asia should continue to grow and make greater contributions to the global economy.

5. GDP
"Gross domestic product (GDP) refers to the market value of all officially recognised final goods and services produced within a country in a given period." It has few defenders however, and when its results don't fit people's rigid social or political narratives it tends to get a veritable thrashing. But it survives because no-one can come up with a better substitute. Alternatives all seem wooly, biased, or both. Eric Crampton recently took the pulse of some recent criticism. I think GDP will survive as the 'best measure' of the real economy. We will just need to be better informed about what it doesn't measure, and that a good thing in itself. People seem to want bumper-sticker summaries that cover every last exception - 'truth' with no work, no effort, no understanding. Perhaps basic economics should be a compulsory high school subject?

6. Wishing for a future imagined in the 1960s
We have quite a few commenters in the glass-half-empty category; you know, the-world-is-about-to-end types. GOMs. (I've never thought the profile of our commenters is anything like the profile of our readers - and our research shows that clearly.) However, this one is for you. David Graeber was once certain a new age was dawning. Jet-packs, antigravity shoes, flying cars – all within reach. He wasn’t alone. How did we get the future so wrong, he asks. He wants to change the world so his imagined 'future' can come true.

About one conclusion we can feel especially confident: it will not happen within the framework of contemporary corporate capitalism - or any form of capitalism. To begin setting up domes on Mars, let alone to develop the means to figure out if there are alien civilizations to contact, we’re going to have to figure out a different economic system. Must the new system take the form of some massive new bureaucracy? Why do we assume it must? Only by breaking up existing bureaucratic structures can we begin. And if we’re going to invent robots that will do our laundry and tidy up the kitchen, then we’re going to have to make sure that whatever replaces capitalism is based on a far more egalitarian distribution of wealth and power - one that no longer contains either the super-rich or the desperately poor willing to do their housework. Only then will technology begin to be marshaled toward human needs. And this is the best reason to break free of the dead hand of the hedge fund managers and the CEOs - to free our fantasies from the screens in which such men have imprisoned them, to let our imaginations once again become a material force in human history.

ps: I don't buy the argument at all; the spurt of innovation in the 1950's and 1960's was basically confined to huge public investment executed by huge public bureaucracies. It generated 'wow' results precisely because it was out there alone. But today, these advances would seem ho-hum because the rate of innovation has expanded to such a degree that we expect miracles every day, and we are getting them. Instead of research being confined to a few glorious campuses, it is now going on worldwide in millions of garages as well. And the winning feature today is that the best innovation is material-lite. Thank you Gordon Moore and servo motors.

7. Luck
I know Bernard has already linked to the Michael Lewis graduation speech at Princeton. Not everyone goes for Lewis' brand of storytelling and he has made a few stumbles, but, this one is well worth watching to the end - I especially think the 'extra cookie' point is very well made. 

8. What America spends on groceries
NPR has summarised some work analysing how the American grocery bill has changed over the years. We know that New Zealanders are getting a good deal when they shop, and we will be releasing our weekly grocery tracking update soon, after one full year of weekly monitoring of supermarket prices both here and in Australia. (It will be a good-news story, so it is unlikely to be featured much.) But in the meantime, here is another perspective on the shifts in spending over 30 years. Lots of price decreases here, not many increases. You have to say that on price at least, consumers have been getting a better deal. (This chart may represent changes in price as much as changes in volume. Click on the chart for more detail.)

9. What a waste
Come again? In trying to scare you about the huge volume of the world's trash, a journalist actually reveals how small it really is (I think). In one year he claims, the world generates "2.6 trillion lbs of garbage". Well, that is about 1.7 bln m3 (assuming a density of 0.7) - and that is way, way less than I thought it might be. (The data is from the World Bank.) Heck, you could loose that in one modest valley somewhere - one hundred modest valleys would take care of a century's worth of the world's garbage. One small country could stump up for that, so that the rest of the planet is trash-free. Seems like a good deal to me, and it seems like an infinitesimally small amount of trash from a global scale.

I have to say, as someone who has traveled quite a bit it always amazes me how clean most countries actually are - but how it is the exceptions that stick in your mind. Certainly in the developed world at least, they are a lot cleaner now than they were a generation ago. And as someone who was deeply involved in the business of recycling for many years, I now have the view that most people have a pathetic understanding of 'volume' and a similar mis-understanding of the relative sizes of everything. No wonder kids grow up sceptical and 'green' messages don't stick - the world we observe turns out to be quite different to the ideas planted in childhood by naive educators.

10. The last laugh(s)
"You are not special" - another pretty damn fine graduation speech ...

and there's this ...

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#1   I had a fifth form geography teacher ( Dudley Burrrows if anyone reading this went to Inglewood High School ) in 1969 who made the claim that the amount of knowlege in the world would double in the next ten years. He would have been amazed to think it is now doubling twice a day. Is knowledge and information the same thing?

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No - not the same thing.  Here's an interesting discussion on it;

Information on its own is quite static and lifeless. It simply exists - on multimedia computer screens, in text books, magazines, movies, TV, CDs, reports, letters, emails, faxes, memos and so on - all waiting to be interpreted, all waiting to have meaning attached - by people.

 

http://informationr.net/ir/8-1/paper140.html

 

Check out the chart by Sveiby, 1997 some way down in the article.  Very thought provoking.

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I'll second that, "no, not the same thing".

Notice how websites that used to be text only, have now started to have video downloads of the very same thing?  Kind of like www.interest.co.nz news at nine.  There is arguably no more information in the video form, yet it takes up many times as much space when being stored, whether "in the cloud" or on your local PC hard drive.  Throw in the growing number of "high definition" videos on the web and it's easy to see that the amount of data is increasing quickly.  Why just the other day I watched an online promotional video of a product in the hope of seeing exactly how it should be used.  Instead there was some guy holding the product box and essentially narrating in an authoratative voice, the text off of the box, mistakes and all!

 

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If I recall correctly its because we don't have any!

....but if it was White Gold Rankings.....

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..... true , NZ has zero gold reserves currently  ...... but as momentum is on gold's side , it has risen 600 % over the past decade , I expect the NZ Reserve Bank to start buying it soon .... infact gold has risen 400 % in the last 5 years alone ..... it's simply the best place to invest , surely ....  

 

It's kind of like property ...... if it has soared to the stars & beyond , it must be good ..... let's buy some , now !

 

You can't lose with gold , mate ...... nor property , for that matter  ..... or finance companies .....

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I remember a question to Bollard perhaps at the last MPS or one before on whether the RBNZ would be looking to buy any gold. He wasn't too warm on the idea.

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Correction, we have loads of gold.  We've just been sensible enough to leave it all safely in the ground.  Much cheaper than digging it out and then storing it.  :)

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....... given that gold is currently about 500 % above it's long term trend line , I'd say that now is an excellent time to dig it all up , and sell it to the suckers ..... oooops , sorry ...... meant to say the " sell it to the investors " off-shore who still want the stupid stuff ...

 

Gold really is worthless ..... even though the price of it suggests otherwise .

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Why is Denmark in the list?

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... because it's a list of Eurozone countries who hold gold reserves .... Denmark is , & does ...

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gold would have to be worth $2400 per ounce if it was to have kept up with inflation over the last 30 years

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Its an emergency fund and not an investment.....really when saving for retirement this is how you should think of it.....

regards

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No NG, you are using CPI. If you believe gold is a monetary asset (and it is certainly becoming so) you need to use at least the growth in nominal purchasing power (salary/wages), not CPI. That would put gold at around usd7000-8000 an ounce, actually, or call it NZD10,000. Most countries are way understocked in gold as a reserve, but by the time this GFC blows out (and the worst is yet to come), that will all change of course...

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Good journalism requires getting as close to the truth as possible.

 

Given that the media then informs the readership, it seems a bit rich to try and use the 'attitude of the silent majority' to justify, David. They're the ones you should be informing, so that they will know better.

 

Moore's 'Law', by the way - and it's been discussed here - has ceased.

http://storagemojo.com/2010/11/29/moores-wall-the-end-of-moores-law/

http://www.singularityweblog.com/michio-kaku-on-the-collapse-of-moores-law/

and a host of others.

servo motors? been using them for decades. The problem is that we then use more of what is small/cheap. that results in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

 

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Moores law is alive and well with plenty of developments in the pipeline, sure it may not be on silicon, but so what?

Besides if anything the consumer is tapped out by by 'Moores law'. Back in the day with a 386 or 486 consumers were craving the next fastest chip, but today processing power pretty much does most of what people want quickly.

The consumer has very little practical use for increased CPU cores. The software side hasn't kept up with the ability to put more cores on a chip in hardware. Programming skills to take true advantage of multi-core capabilites needs more refinement.

And if you really need high end mathematical processing (video, graphics etc), graphics cards with CUDA capability on a cost basis mean you don't really need such a souped up CPU when you can have hundreds of smaller specialised cores on the GPU.

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As normal you are thinking is limited, there is more to the world than consumers....beyond the world of desktops are the servers and these demand more and more CPU, RAM and storage...

Currently I look after a cluster, each machine has 128~144gb of ram and 40Ghz+  of cpu  (12 cores at 3.33ghz)...there are 20 of them....2.7TB of ram and 800Ghz.......storage is a measly 3/4Petabyte...but 3+ is looking probable at the moment....looking at ssd disk trays...$120k a tray.....this is what you dont see when you dont look.....we cant scale up we have to scale out....

Then there is the HPC, they start at 256meg ram....10 of those linked up...

How many billions are on line? they all connect to a "something" like we are doing now....consumer software doesnt multi-core.....specialist stuff does....or you split it up into blocks, process and put it back together....

CUDAs are an interesting dead end....an interesting aside suitable for some applications..very hot little buggers, and you couldnt fit that many in a single case anyway, max is about 6....hard to cool for long periods reliably ....some of the data runs I see take 3~4 weeks.....to do that with cudas they'd have to be externally watercooled you see we have to guarantee that run completes.......

The last thing I saw Intels CPUs is they are going massively (80?+) core. ....so say 50 cores are general purpose and the rest get put on depending on what the end use is...........

regards

 

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#6 "I've never thought the profile of our commenters is anything like the profile of our readers - and our research shows that clearly."

 

Fascinating - we've been 'profiled' .. do tell.

 

 

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Try turning the privacy on your browser up a notch, and flick around the pages on interest.co.nz ..if you don't get anything push it up another notch ..  and you will find that on some pages you are being watched .. by adhub.co.nz and ads.adhub.co.nz  .. irritating little things

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And if you have adblocker on, do they watch you then?

I blocked adhub.co.nz when interest.co.nz decided to put up that humungously bad mitsi ad.

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me too...

regards

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I use Firefox and put on

http://www.ghostery.com/

Keeps all the snoopers out.

Be sure to click on it in your web browser and select all the snoopers to block.

Note: Even when you are not logged into facebook they still follow you everywhere. Be supprised who's watching you.

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Can't tell, Kate.  Bodies would result.

 

But (hint hint) that black winking pixel right in the middle of the screen holds one of the keys...

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If I was on the Titanic I would rather be a pessimist than an optimist.

The pessimists knew something bad was going to happen and got onto the lifeboats. The optimists waited till it was too late. And the band played on.... 

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No, it was the rich who got on the lifeboats first.

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The first lifeboats were not full, not many wanted to get on because they didn't think it would sink.

"Many people believed that Titanic was not actually sinking but that the call to the lifeboats was actually a drill and stayed inside rather than venture out onto the freezing deck"

Not enough  pessimists and too many optimists 

http://historyonthenet.com/Titanic/lifeboats.htm

 

The Titanic was also designed by optimists:- 

Reasons given by optimists why there were not enough life boats.

 

Due to advancements that had been made in ship building it was not necessary for boats to carry more lifeboats.   The latest boats were stronger than ever and had watertight compartments making them unlikely to require lifeboats at all.   Sea routes used were well-travelled meaning that the likelihood of a collision was minimal.   The latest boats were fitted with wireless technology.   That it would be impossible for crew members to be able to load more than sixteen boats in the event of a disaster.    
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 From  Eduardo Peñalver: On the Titanic, these varied dramatically by social class, even among women and children. Less than half of the third class women (46% saved) and children (34% saved) survived, compared to 100% of the first and second class children, and 97% and 86% of the first and second class women, respectively. Second, Steyn says that the women and children first ethic “held up under pressure and across all classes.” In fact, despite the large number of third class women and children who went down with the ship, a significant number of first class men declined the opportunity to “finish in style” and opted to save themselves instead. Interestingly, adherence to the norm of women and children first seems to have been most completely internalized by the men in second class, just 8% of whom made it into lifeboats, compared to 33% of the captains of industry in first class.

The first six boats to launch included only first-class passengers and crew; many launched more than half empty. In the first boat to launch "over half the occupants were men—several of whom were not even traveling with their wives or families.

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"many launched more than half empty."

I think many more could have been saved if they had got into the life boats earlier on. 

I think the captain was guilty of blind optimism for going full speed ahead in an ice field.

Clive Palmer and the Chinese are currently building a Titanic replica. I'm waiting to see it. I would love to be shown around inside it. History is fascinating

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#5

 

Where is Marilyn Waring? I was thinking just this morning that we should have heard from her by now given that she has spent much of her academic career looking at GDP and valuing work.

Has she been silent or did I just miss her comment?

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I've never thought the profile of our commenters is anything like the profile of our readers - and our research shows that clearly

 

Interesting comment David.

 

Care to elaborate on the nature of your research.

 

Experimental design?

Quasi-experimental?

Survey?

 

Are you readers less or more intelligent than your commenters?

 

More Left Wing or Right Wing?

 

More independent thinkers or less?

 

What is the margin for error with respect to your research?

 

Is it repeatable? If so, how many times have you repeated it?

 

 

 

 

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I do hope Gibber ...that David is not suggesting we don't read each others comments before posting.....although....er...nevermind.

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Dunno Christov.

 

Be interesting to see if there is any reply.

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 ....... put " Nazi " , or  " moron " into a sentence ...... that usually gets a reaction from them ......

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Are you suggesting the readership are moronic nazis?

Or the commentators?

Or the staff?

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#3 . All the gold holdings of the Euro countries are worth one Apple. 

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Hugh, you are sounding off to "deaf ears" in central Auckland here, as much as I agree with you.

I hate to say it,  but the mantra is still "property is the only way" and "it will never happen here" In fact,  I find the central Auckland market very much like Sydney's.

I very much like the look of the Phoenix, AZ market ...did a trip over there last Nov and have now got some good contacts to buy through.... with the benefit of buying freehold and  leverage from there. Couldn't afford that on the damp, musty and leaky streets of Auckland !

Your thoughts ..... ?

 

 

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"Last year alone, the world’s information base is estimated to have doubled every eleven hours." 

That is absolute nonsense. Around about 800 doublings a year? Didn't any of you people learn about exponential growth at school?

2 to the power of 800? Work it out.

:) 

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Good man.

 

No they didn't. A anthropologist friend of mine suggests that we didn't need to be exponentally-aware in the hunter-gatherer era, and the exponentially-perceptive genes are thus few and far between.

 

Got a chess-board and a few grains? Maybe we can teach.....

 

 

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Well it is a number with 240 zeroes following the leading digit. Since the number of atoms in the universe is estimated to have 84 zeroes it means we will know everything about eveything and then an awful lot more by Dec 31.....

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A bit like the tower of babel, when you get there you shall be God. Bring on December.

 

Mind you if I was DavidB I wouldn't have to wait.

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2^800 =  6.6680144328798542740798517907213e+240 = 6.66801443 × 10^240

Now we can study compound interest at the limit  Just click the e

 

 

 

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Fairfax ( ASX : FXJ ) has released guidence today , on their full year's revenue ..... they estimate , a further 7.5 % fall in sales ...... the fourth successive year of revenue decline .

 

...... the company is losing profits faster than they can cut costs ( i.e. outsource & sack ) ...

 

Latest share price , 59  cents ..... gee , less than in the depths of gloom , circa March 2009 .. ...

 

... Gina , Gina , Gina ..... all is forgiven .... take a board set , take two , ... have a broad seat ( your bum does look big in just one ) ......

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Alan Grayson questioning Bernake concerning 'credit swaps' specifically a 9 BILLION dollar NZ credit swap!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOYm5b1NRA&feature=related

 

The US FED & RBNZ are the same institution 

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Fantastic piece. I had not been aware of the interview. Nor frankly that we had borrowed US $9 billion from the US. The debt is termed a swap, so presumably we have loaned them, or given them collateral of, the $NZ equivalent of US$9B.  That bit I have no problem with. Importantly to me; assuming such debts still exist, who holds the currency exchange risk. If one currency or the other devalues significantly, who makes the loss or gain? Our government/ RB/ Treasury seem silent on debts in foreign currencies, but if we hold the risk,  and this 9b is just the tip of the iceberg, it explains to some extent a monetary policy that otherwise makes no sense at all. If we hold the risk, (as I sneakily suspect) it would be best to unwind them as soon as we can, or Greece conditions are coming.

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Could the collateral be our energy companies? Is this the real reason they're up for sale?? Just a layman asking here.

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Even Bernard didn't know about this . Where's the NZ media now? ohhh out to lunch with JK having a cuppa on what issue to dupe the NZ public on next.

Notice the NZ  media currently ask the blunt question: Should the Super age be raised to 67?

Yet, they fail to ask the most obvious question first: DOES it need to be raised IF we introduce Means Testing, particularly in regard to second property/ rental investors owners?

Let the BB's fend for themselves using their assets. A pension for them is not only undeserved but unaffordable

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Bernard was right on to it Top Ten Item 2 on 22 July 2009 see neco's post below.

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Think how this deal may relate to the secret TPP negotiation

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Spectacular. In the 12 months immediately after the USD $9 billion swap the NZD fell from $0.80 to $0.50 .. NZ lost USD $4.4 billion or NZD $8.8 billion on the transaction ... If Benny Shalom was smart he would have closed the swap out end 2009 ... the question is .. is the SWAP still alive ... if so NZ is just back to square one on the deal ... and what .. are you saying nobody knew ? and you are right .. you can kiss the proceeds of the sales of SOE's goodbye ..

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Isn't this what you are referring to?

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2010/3886620.html

I think it was news at the time but in any case the video is worth watching again just to see Bernanke squirm.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/44517/top-10-10-bernanke-grilled-over-us9-bln-lent-nz-japans-demographic-time-bomb-britains-confidence-tri

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I started to go to sleep half way though, but for what it is worth.

 

https://www.facebook.com/notes/david-cunliffe/learning-the-lessons-of-history/10150890786087798

 

Parksy must have given up in interest.co.nz as he has put his 2c worth in this one.

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Hmm. You need a faceplant userid to sign on.

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What? You are not on faceplant? Come on Gibber get with the times!

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Nah.  I choose not to go there.

 

Good enough for Andrew Denton,  then good enough for me.

 

I waste enough time on the internet without wasting time on faceplant as well.

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I know what you mean, it is almost as bad as interest.co

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Worth a watch is this....the very first statistic is china needs 200,000 new homes, to do that in brick would take 25% of its agricultural land and 50% of its coal reserves....Hugh P et al of the infiniters should note that one....

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/waste-food/

regards

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