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David Mahon assesses trade and geopolitical tensions between China and the US, and says New Zealand risks destroying 50 years of balanced, non-allied status in the Asia-Pacific

Economy / opinion
David Mahon assesses trade and geopolitical tensions between China and the US, and says New Zealand risks destroying 50 years of balanced, non-allied status in the Asia-Pacific
China-US rivalry hots up

By David Mahon*

The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.
Sun Zi, Chinese general / sage, 6th century BCE


China recorded 5.3% GDP growth in the first quarter of this year. Industrial production expanded 6.1%, primarily from increased exports and retail sales, which grew 4.7%. China’s economic recovery is stronger than most analysts, including its own Ministry of Finance, forecasted. Imbalances in the housing sector and local government accounts remain, and social morale is still relatively weak.

Senior leaders seem to misunderstand the degree to which millions of people — who once trusted them — remain sceptical of their decisions following the policy blunders at the end of 2022. Some in the Chinese middle class fear that Beijing will continue to marginalise the value of their assets. Chinese householders are uncommonly resilient, and most are simply waiting for the economic environment to change before investing and spending again.

Today’s leaders may not readily express the empathy and understanding needed to rebuild public confidence as their predecessors did, but key decisionmakers in Beijing seem finally to be grasping the country’s economic challenges with a sense of direction they did not possess at the end of last year.

Despite lower confidence and some mis-steps, the Chinese economy will continue to expand into 2025, creating demand for imports of raw materials, components, food and household products, and ultimately foreign investment. China is transitioning from a model of high-risk growth, fuelled by real estate speculation and investment booms, to one founded on the fundamentals of a large, more mature economy with the potential to deliver slower but more sustainable growth.

Manufacturing nexus

Chinese factories have built critical links within global supply chains over recent decades, giving them high degrees of commercial leverage. Foreign companies may relocate factories to other countries, such as Vietnam and Mexico, but rather than diminishing China’s position in global production, this further strengthens it. Few companies can replicate the holistic strength and efficiency of Chinese supply chains, and so continue to procure components and semi-finished products from manufacturers on the Mainland.

Apple, with a market value of US$2.6 trillion (second globally only to Microsoft), is increasing its investment in Chinese supply chains for its global business, despite losing market share to local smartphone competitors. Where once China’s abundant supply of cheap, low-skilled labour gave its factories advantages over global competitors, it now draws on deep pools of skilled, competitive white-collar workers and technicians, and therefore leads the world in manufacturing automation and robotics in many industries.

After the US, China is the world’s largest investor in research and development, committing US$422 billion in 2022 and US$526 billion in 2023, primarily in computing, electronics and advanced technology, led by Huawei, Tencent and Alibaba. The Chinese economy is unique in offering domestic firms highly-competitive home markets for wide ranges of goods and services that no other economy can match, so when they enter global markets, they are lean and competitive. This is a greater factor than government subsidies for China’s advantages.

US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen challenged China for its ‘over-capacity’ on her recent visit to Beijing. It showed her lack of understanding of how the Chinese economy has evolved. There are excess inventories in some sectors, but they are largely the result of lags in both domestic and global demand post COVID, not conspiracies to dump goods in foreign markets in order to break competitors. As China has released economic data over the past year, it has either been criticised by US officials and commentators for indicating China is not recovering fast enough and therefore delaying global recovery, or for growing too fast and taking unfair advantage of others, often in the same publications.

It is a dangerous irony that for all the shared understanding that the world needs to reduce emissions in the vehicle sector and develop economically viable solar technology, the West would still treat China as a pariah instead of leveraging the opportunities offered by China’s development of affordable electric vehicles and solar panels. Chinese EVs and solar panels are subject to swingeing tariffs to protect outdated, polluting vehicles and less cost-effective EV models and solar panels.

Partners in hegemony

Secretary Yellen’s visit was similar to that of Secretary of State Anthony Blinken’s: a sword sheathed in a dry, brittle olive branch. Washington exchanged diplomacy for might over a decade ago. Even before Blinken left Washington, he accused China of supporting Russia’s war with Ukraine militarily and interfering in American elections. The days of the US Government stating grievances behind closed doors, while expressing goodwill externally in order to maintain its relationships and support market confidence, have passed.

To justify war, a state needs to ensure its people learn to fear or even hate the people of the opposing country, to blame them for the problems of their day-to-day lives, and to cast them as threats to their freedoms. Many in Washington have gone to great pains to ensure Americans see China as their enemy. China has not reciprocated by demonising the American people, although the state media does respond peevishly, focusing on American social ills from time-to-time. Chinese people still have a generally favourable view of Americans. Three million Chinese students have studied in the US since the 1980s and over a million studied abroad generally in 2023.

Anti-China media reports reflecting increased geopolitical biases are having an inordinate influence on stakeholders and boards of foreign companies invested in China. The US and European media have unified against China in a manner unparalleled since the anglophone media joined en masse, absent a few commentators, to support the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Washington is coercing the UK, Canada, and Australia to contain China, and increasing pressure on the European Union to do the same as the Russia-Ukraine War grinds on. Due in large part to US pressure, Germany’s economic partnership with China — once an exemplar of European-Chinese cooperation — is diminishing. German companies already manufacturing in China such as BASF, Volkswagen and BMW will continue to prosper, but many medium-sized German and EU firms, which would have otherwise thrived in China, are deciding against investing there, fearing they will be sanctioned by the US if they do.

Chinese commercial partnerships with the non-Western world are filling the gaps created by US-led disengagement. The trade war Trump initiated and that Biden maintained has to date, according to the Brookings Institute, cost nearly 300,000 American jobs, and a loss in US company stock value of at least US$1.7 trillion. Yet both Democrats and Republicans are clamouring for more tariffs and embargoes, the latest being Tik Tok, which will remain (unless banned) the key delivery platform for Democratic Party campaign advertising, far outpacing television ads. President Biden has just increased tariffs on EVs, solar panels and a slew of other items, contradicting his earlier challenges to Trump’s boast that trade wars are easy to win.

Beijing maintains tariffs and non-tariff barriers against US goods too, inflicting unnecessary harm on its economy. If Beijing scrapped all politically motivated tariffs tomorrow, it would strengthen its economy and win over many foreign companies, leading some to lobby their governments to see China in a more objective light.

The AUKUS chimaera

The Chinese Government has demonstrated that China is willing to sacrifice short-term economic gains in order to maintain medium to long-term social stability and national security, reducing dependence on unreliable trading partners in the process. Many small and medium sized nations have spent decades building trust with Beijing. An example is New Zealand, which despite being a small nation of little political agency, forged a unique relationship with what was a developing China in the 1990s and 2010s, from which it has benefited hugely as China evolved to become the world’s largest economy by purchasing power parity.

New Zealand was the first developed nation to secure a free trade agreement with China, against stiff opposition and even condemnation from Washington, Canberra, London, and Brussels. Soon afterwards, it signed with Beijing’s assent a separate free trade agreement with Taiwan, one of the few developed nations apart from Singapore and some Central American countries to have done so. At times New Zealand’s rapport has been the envy of Western embassies in Beijing, but the relationship is at risk due to the New Zealand Government’s apparent interest in joining AUKUS, Pillar II. Although losing its nuclear-arms focus, Pillar II appears to carry on the main pillar’s intent to contain China, but by another name. The whole initiative has been framed as non-threatening and strategic, but it is hard to see the US funding it adequately, or crafting functional strategic objectives. Yet Washington’s solicitations of additional partners may serve as a sort of wrecking ball, damaging long-standing regional relationships with China.

New Zealand risks destroying 50 years of balanced, non-allied status in the Asia-Pacific region, a period during which it followed the principles of international law rather than the whims of its historical allies. The same allies have violated these principles from time to time (New Zealand refused to join the US invasion of Iraq), as has Beijing on occasion.

Henry Kissinger said, ‘The US does not have allies, only interests.’ Countries like New Zealand should consider what it has to gain by being a passing ‘interest’ to Washington. No American president has ever hosted a state banquet for a New Zealand Prime Minister or discussed a free trade agreement comprehensively. Small Asia-Pacific nations should be wary of grasping at the shadows of past alliances out of fear of a bewildering present, or an uncertain future. Most Southeast Asian countries understand this well, and informed by their histories of pushing colonial powers out, maintain relationships with countries in deep disputes with each other with equanimity.

If New Zealand were to join the so called AUKUS II, Beijing would not likely embargo Kiwi products as swiftly as it did Australian barley, wine, seafood, and beef. New Zealand has managed to maintain a regular, respectful dialogue throughout the past two decades. But it would send a signal that New Zealand is not as independent as it claims. Over time, Beijing would likely re-assess its relationship with New Zealand, a country that produces goods that can be replaced by those from other countries.

Mitigation

Firms from countries in political disputes with China may mitigate future commercial fallout by forming collaborations with local Chinese business partners, often without significant capital investment and leveraging instead intellectual properties, marketing skills and other more intangible assets. The testimonies of US and Australian firms over the last five years indicate that those established in the Chinese domestic market suffered little when their governments openly challenged Beijing, even after their governments imposed sanctions. Foreign firms of scale and influence do however need to speak plainly to their own politicians in regard to China. With all the talk of Chinese companies being afraid to challenge their government’s policies, there has been too little criticism of foreign companies’ timidity in respect of their politicians. More Western managers might question the fallacy that the democratic West is always right, and China as a one-party state must always be in the wrong.

When political considerations rather than economic factors become the overwhelming drivers of trade policy, it is fair to assume the country risks heading toward conflict and even war. Commentators have been using the term ‘cold war’ lazily to describe Washington and Beijing’s relations for some time. But now, it is hard to envision realistic alternatives to the two countries creating some sort of modern cold war. ‘Cold’ wars may mean the key protagonists are not killing each other’s citizens directly, but history shows us that millions can still become mired in proxy conflicts, to suffer and possibly die. From 1945 to 1990, Washington and Moscow’s respective proxies lost between six and seven million lives in the causes of their champions — over 140,000 deaths per year. A cold war between the US and China in the 21st century will likely, however, differ from the 20th century version.

Beijing does not want war, evidenced by its military expenditure over the last two decades, which has been largely naval and defensive. China spends just over half of Washington’s military expenditure of 3% of GDP. Historically, China has not been a territorially expansionist power, not necessarily because it is any more peaceful, but because it was already so large and difficult to govern. If China’s vital economic interests were to be marginalised, such as the loss of freedom of navigation through the Straits of Malacca, this could change. But China knows it cannot ‘win’ a military conflict with the US.

Europe and the US make much of China’s claims to ‘rocks and reefs’ in the South China Sea, but the weight of provocation in the region is with the US, for it currently maintains 375,000 military and civilian personnel across the Asia-Pacific in hundreds of installations in nations with which it shares no borders. The largest American base outside the US is in South Korea, only 540 kilometres from the city of Dalian, a city of six million Chinese citizens. China has one military base outside its borders in Djibouti, and this is largely for commercial maritime security.

A temporary calm

Asia’s diverse nations have avoided war since Vietnam’s 1979 invasion of Cambodia to end Pol Pot’s holocaust. This triggered China’s simultaneous month-long campaign in North Vietnam, inexplicably in support of Cambodia, but also to cauterise Vietnamese incursions along its southern border. This year, despite a history of enmity spanning thousands of years, Vietnamese and Chinese coastguard vessels are conducting joint patrols along maritime borders to combat smuggling and piracy. Absent Kim Jong Un’s ballistic fulminations, Myanmar’s seemingly fathomless sorrows, and scattered, largely contained separatist movements in a few countries, Asian nations have at least been at peace with each other for 45 years.

The American Empire will likely continue to contract, even as American financial and economic power prevails. The present US-China conflict is unlikely to end in a clear victory for one and abject defeat for the other, but rather in begrudgingly accepted compromises. It is also important to note that American and Chinese political exchanges often have more to do with each government dealing with its domestic issues than consciously reacting to the other.

China needs to maintain its low-key reactions to Western challenges while allowing its economic strength to express itself naturally. Beijing could improve internal and external transparency and recover more public trust. It could do more to catch up with its enquiring, widely travelled middle class, which bypasses government information firewalls at will, are increasingly indifferent to government propaganda, and continue to educate their children overseas.

Washington and Canberra tend to underestimate the strategic acumen of Southeast Asian nations, holding them in a time warp of outdated assumptions. Most of these countries are no longer the vulnerable proxies for great power competition that they were from the 1950s to 1970s, but educated, prosperous, open nations, tenaciously resistant to outside coercion. The Philippines are possibly an exception, and already the focus of US coercion. Washington may well allow a clash between the Philippines and China to effect a proxy US shot across China’s strategic bow. Asia, far more than the relatively contained conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza, has the potential to be the theatre of a clash of great powers.

The more Washington tries to force regional alliances and demand Asian countries to choose sides, the more they will alienate nations from the United States. It would help if the US dropped its term ‘Indo-Pacific’, which it would deny is a signifier for its efforts to create an alliance in the region against China. The very omission of the term Asia offends, unsurprisingly, many in Asia.

The Asia-Pacific’s real political future lies in an uneasy equilibrium in which neither China nor the US are hegemons, but both hold each other loosely to account, and no nation holds another’s trade or sovereignty hostage. This would ensure that regional and global trade may flourish. There are no assurances from Washington or Beijing, but neither side have drawn their swords fully from their scabbards, and so there is still time and opportunity to realise a more stable future.  

David Mahon was also a guest on a recent episode of our Of Interest podcast. You can listen here.


*David Mahon is the Executive Chairman of Beijing-based Mahon China Investment Management Limited, which was founded in 1985. This article is here with permission.

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Nah. Time to stop being cowards.

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Yeah. Be that kind of brave it takes to comment under a weak play on another's username.

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Eventually choosing between China and US is inevitable. The choice? It's a no brainer.

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It is we go with China when push comes to shove, the USA is doing us no favours at all. We need to stay out of it for as long as possible. Things could go totally tits up in the USA and it collapses, then who would you rather be with.

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Democracy.

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Someone here thinks jingoism equals a convincing argument

Mate, the USA isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional republic run by a deep state apparatus that ignores the constitution part.

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You’re out of line, sir.

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But they're bang on the your button.

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"Time to stop being cowards."

Agreed. We should man up and say we're having nothing to do with sabre-rattling.

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Yeah easy to say when you are a keyboard warrior or know you are too old to ever be drafted. Love the people on here that want others to fight the wars for them.

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True, but their parents/your grandparents likely had to fight in one for you to have the life you currently lead as well.

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If you believe that the US and NATO fighting in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan was anything to do with freedom, democracy and money, you'd be a third right. 

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Yeah. Time to start being smart.

(No point in jointing a side in a fight neither can win but both can lose.)

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Hmmmm.....Fed currency debasement and profit shifting from the likes of Uber and Microsoft v.s. potential for organ harvesting and mass surveillance and detention for free speech...

Yeah nah.

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v.s. potential for organ harvesting and mass surveillance and detention for free speech...

Cute how you think this is not happening in the AUKUS sphere, despite the glaring evidence from the last two years. Seen Sound of Freedom yet?

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Enter David McBride as an example of the implications of AUKUS and the US influence and ethic when it comes to war crimes.

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And how they've totally and utterly illegally shafted Assange for revealing those war crimes.

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China is cutting everyone's sandwiches. The BYD Seagull will be cleaning up the scraps. Doesn't surprise me that Washington wants to be lunch monitor, but while they're pointing at the bad boys, everyone else will be giggling and throwing out their crusts.

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Yes lets sell our soul to the corrupt Chinese dictatorship so we can degrade our land further supplying milk powder in return for pre-delivered landfill from China.

Another point. If we didn't join AUKUS due to a fear of retaliation from China, do we have an independent foreign policy?

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Nz generally seems to choose policies that favor short term strategy.

The long game here is to position our country to have the best chance of our kids experiencing the best balance of freedom and democracy and strong exonomy. The best chance of that is to sacrifice short term profit and ensure we dont become overly dependent on trade with China.

 

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Amen.

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LOL, what you guys do not get is that the long game is Asia and this is the Chinese Century. The long game is not siding with the declining no growth failing population FIRE focused Wall St casino economy that the west has created over the last few decades.

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Let’s not in haste forget Covid. For that in itself is a solid indication of the nature of the beast as a nation.The pandemic started in China and was allowed to be spread globally causing devastation to global economies and taking thousands of undeserving lives. China has never admitted fault, nor apologised and never will. Since 1949, and not without justification after the centuries of its exploitation by the West and some neighbours including invasion and disproportionate warfare, China has determined to never let that history recur. Consequently China’s first priority and responsibility is to China and everything else, including its not always friendly neighbour Russia, are a long distant second. The reality of the  totalitarian hardline of the regime is stark, and what you see, is what you will get.

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On the flipside we were abandoned by the UK when the EU was formed so go figure?

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The article articulate a good argument for not entering AUKUS, Pillar II.  But ignores China's stated One China policy, and “Anti-secession Law”, where China has declared that it will use force to achieve the incorporation of Taiwan.  How then should New Zealand navigate the current political neutrality?

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Our government generally supports whatever war effort the USA directly or indirectly participates in. Justified/legal or not.

Why would we suddenly get all moral regarding Chinas efforts?

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When was the last time the US government committed genocide?

How about China?

Where's your line?

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"When was the last time the US government committed genocide?"

Dunno. Ask the native american indians.

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Try the genocide happening in China right now as you speak and turn a blind eye for appeasement.

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 we also turn a blind eye to the genocide and largest open air prison, Gaza. 

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Its not an open air prison, name me one prison in the world where you still get to have 6 kids.

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I've been sucked in by western propaganda

Funny how the US claims that China is genociding Muslims in (increasingly prosperous) Xin Jiang province when it is the US which has literally killed millions of Muslims over the last three decades, including supplying the bombs which are levelling Gaza right now.

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When was the last time the US government committed genocide?

Arguably right now.

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Both the US and the United Nations have agreed for decades that Taiwan is part of China and that the legitimate capital of that China is Beijing. So there's hardly any need for China to use force to incorporate into itself something which isn't separate.

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NZ has been bending over to the left - now it's bending over to the right!
Lets get it over and done it.. said New Zealand!

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US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen challenged China for its ‘over-capacity’ on her recent visit to Beijing. It showed her lack of understanding of how the Chinese economy has evolved. 

you seem underestimated her knowledge as economist. she knows the 'over-capacity' is made up with crap, but she, and ones behind her, needs a narrative to convey to the public. She cannot say we need tariff on Chinese products because 'Chinese industry is too powerful', can she?

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Anglo-Saxon people in five eye country need to understand that you are no longer the master in your countries and we all know who the real masters are from the current geo-political conflict in Middle East.

 

What is NZ's motive to join AUKUS - to protest trading routes with China against China?

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No, it's to protect us from the whims of an unelected Chinese dictatorship that one day might have Putin-like territorial ambitions.

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And how's that working out for Putin? Or more correctly, how's that working out for the average Russian?

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[Check maps] ... Um? China isn't our neighbor.

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[ Checks Google ] um...they have ships. 

What's to stop them parking an aircraft carrier in the Hauraki Gulf if we didn't acquiesce to a future whim of Emperor Xi? The United States Pacific Fleet perhaps?

 

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Why would they do that? What do we have that they'd risk doing that for? 

And your wild statement presupposes that they've already taken Australia. Is that likely?

Seriously? Get a grip. Your fear is making you say foolish things.

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Yes it's safer being tucked in behind an ally isn't it?

Not fearful, just sensible.

Who would have thought Hitler wanted to take over Europe? Or Putin wanting to resurrect a Russian empire? 

Pacifism or non-alignment is a great idea until a real threat arrives. Ask Finland and Sweden.

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Yes why don't we ask Finland and Sweden, whose leaders have now given away their longstanding neutrality and made both their countries nuclear targets. And I should add, doing so without putting the referendum question out to their own citizens who actually loved visiting and holidaying in Russia. 

Or Putin wanting to resurrect a Russian empire?

You forget your history old boy. Russia always reacts violently whenever western powers try to encroach on to its territories. Both Hitler and Napolean learnt this the hard way. Putin warned the US and NATO for years but finding the western powers completely oblivious to Russian concerns, he's sorting things out himself now.

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the whims of an unelected Chinese dictatorship that one day might have Putin-like territorial ambitions.

You should study up Chinese history old boy. I'll give you a clue, only one country in the world has almost one thousand foreign military bases it used to project its power from and it isn't China (or Russia). Also, Putin has no territorial ambitions. He has national security ambitions. And since NATO decided to ignore Russia's national security concerns for over a decade, Putin is now going to sort things out his way.

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What is NZ's motive to join AUKUS? Could it be we have lots of little men with small penises who want to appear tough?

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Catch ya! Little rat.

What a racist comment by ChrisOfNoFame!

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xingmowang, I think you need to re-read what I said. Or perhaps it got lost in translation? Don't worry. The sabre-rattlers will get it.

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He might be referring to the ones wanting to join AUKUS. I'm not sure. But this is clearly a sensitive issue for you. 

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Do you understand the term Anglo-Saxon? It was a group of germanic people who invaded, and settled in, Britain in the 5th century. Why would you refer to white people in NZ, or anywhere for that matter, as Anglo-Saxon?

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"It is a dangerous irony that for all the shared understanding that the world needs to reduce emissions in the vehicle sector and develop economically viable solar technology, the West would still treat China as a pariah..." It's doing that because China is not a democracy, does not respect the rights and freedoms of it's individual citizens, and is throwing it's weight around, trying to bully other countries. If it wants to be treated different it needs to behave differently!

"Beijing does not want war, evidenced by its military expenditure over the last two decades, which has been largely naval and defensive." then why is it expanding it's military and build military capability that it never had before? 

Politically NZ is an independent nation, size wise though we are vulnerable to those who would try to bully us. In This article is a subtle attempt to do so. Culturally we are more aligned to the west, and even though those nations self interests influence how we are treated, it is generally without the overt menace that China likes to use! 

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"... it is generally without the overt menace that China likes to use! "

Interesting take on 'Merica's foreign policy over the years.

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Seriously rose tinted glasses needed for reading this

China's behaviour/leadership is not benign and America's is not all that competent.

And currently China is bullying us not to join Aukus just like they have bullied others that dont do what they want - South Korea, Japan, Australia to name a few

oh and they disregard international treaties when it suits them - supporting the regime in North Korea being a classic example -as well as Russia's invasion of Ukraine

I dont think we have the luxury of being nonaligned anymore despite the economic risks

 

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China is warning New Zealand that joining an unfriendly alliance directed against it by the USA will be interpreted by China as New Zealand being unfriendly towards it and that as a result China may have to treat New Zealand as being an unfriendly country.

Sorry mate is Beijing explaining to us slowpokes the bleeding obvious what you now call "bullying"? The US is now disregarding several international treaties against genocide and against the military killing of civilians by providing weapons and military support to Israel. The US also arbitrarily ended the JCPOA with Iran and canned numerous nuclear weapons treaties with Russia. You have any problem with the US disregarding international treaties as it wishes?

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In China right now and generally I am impressed. On the whole people friendly and helpful. Certainly given me a different perspective. 

Very tech savvy here.

Some things are very disorganised however. That has surprised me.

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"Some things are very disorganised however. That has surprised me."

LOL. Yup. Japan it is not.

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You're missing trajectory and acceleration. That is 1990s China compared to 2000s China. 2000s China compared to 2010s China. 2010s China compared to 2020s China. Now compare where Japan is economically and on the global stage in that exact same timeframe.

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I love these pro china articles Interest keeps posting from guest  writers who obviously have sided with China if only for purely selfish financial reasons . Anything posted by Stephen Roach  - the Ex Morgan Stanley " Asia" Expert also  I would treat in a similar fashion - Pro CCP  hit pieces  likely directed / or influenced by Official State actors . 

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Although it certainly had an apologist tinge to it, I thought this article was relatively balanced. Not all of his are.

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What as opposed to all the pro USA stuff we have been feed since kids by the West ? The USA has been responsible for some of the worst wars and covert operations in the world and all the information gets suppressed by the MSM. When something like Wikileaks comes along suddenly being a reporter of the facts is a state crime. Without China we would be screwed, they are our biggest exporter by far, next biggest is Australia so where is the USA exactly ? yeah protecting its own farmers.

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The reality is that given a decade or two BRICS will represent a significant alternative to the G7.

The US will fight it all the way, and by increasingly desperate means. Many of these means will cost their allies dearly.

We are being asked to sacrifice our international trade for the sake of a security threat that essentially boils down to 'China will invade Taiwan' (imo, no - they won't - they are playing the long game and will win them over politically) and 'China will threaten international shipping through control of the South China Sea' (whose shipping? Why and how?).

For those that want to make the argument that China has ambitions of creating and governing some great empire through territorial acquisition I really have no time. Likewise those that think Russia has similar plans. Of all the modern great powers, they have done the least in that regard (obviously I am talking militarily not politically).

With regard to Russia and Ukraine, I would be willing to bet that we will not see Kiev being governed from Moscow. A Russian friendly government in Kiev? Almost certainly going to happen.

I suspect most people's fears are essentially ideological. I agree that both China and Russia are very keen to expand their sphere of political influence. This is to be expected - heck, even we do that in the pacific. Unfortunately for those that can tolerate nothing other than liberal democracies the future is going to be challenging. But ask yourself, what state are liberal democracies in now? Many are essentially corporatocracies anyhow.

Personally, I would not want to live in anything but a liberal (somewhat socialist) democracy, but trying to force that on the rest of the world is a pipe dream that has failed and has largely been used to exploit others anyway. But, just as I am not a religious person, I accept that religion is not going away and happily coexist - so long as there is a level of mutual understanding and respect. Mutual understanding and respect is going to be the key to getting along in a multipolar world.

Any threat facing NZ is much more likely to be political than military. The defence against that is a political system that people are happy with because it works for them (hint - a nation ruled by debt-servitude is not working). We need to focus on living up to our liberal democratic ideals at the same time as learning to coexist with those that pursue a different politics.

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Nice to see a more balanced perspective on here like this.

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Great comment 

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